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Related: reading help center helps.

Forgot to mention: I DID read the help center, meta.stackexchange.com/help/badges/194/informed?userid=286501 but I feel I am still missing something. Moreover, is this the right spot to point to something that is NOT included there, but which I yesterday "learned about" by asking my other question from yesterday? Unless I hear (read) different from you, I'm going to translate your suggestion as constructive feedback (I am not 100% sure, which is why I "dare" to ask ...).

I just integrated the suggestion from Deer Hunter in what is now bullet 3. Is such kind of "integration of feedback in the comments" a good practice, or rather the opposite? Reason why I doubt: Deer Hunter has the auth/freedom to delete that comment whenever he wants to do so (or 'she'? Can't tell from just checking his/her profile as I just did ...), and I don't want to 'loose' that suggestion ...

Lots of grains covering something with potential here. What is it you're actually trying to ask or discuss? Can you give a brief summary please? (others call it TL;DR - pretty sure you won't know what they mean :))

Thank you Shadow ... and Sabre ... for your feedback! Expect an additional comment-reply from me about it soon. For now already this quick addition: be aware that "I did not learn english on my mother's knee". I'm native Dutch/Flemish, trying to write in English as close-to-perfect as I can. There for it'd help "me" (and possibly other not-native-English-speaking people looking at this?) if those who-speak-English-since-they-were-born would try to avoid abbreviations like TL;DR (Too Long; Don't Read !?!?!?), AFAIK (not in this question yet), IMHO, etc. Same about using "expressions" ... OK?

Isn't "informed" awarded for taking the tour, not visiting the help center?

I'm afraid you are close to right HDE ... Because this is a cut-and-past about that badge: "Informed - Read the entire tour page." I say "close" because "taking" and "reading" is not 100% the same, right? I've to think about how to best adopt my previous bullet 3 accordingly. Maybe something like add another badge like "visited each help page", which is different from taking the tour," right?

Thanks Sabre for the kudos/confirmation (I do my best). To gnat: what's a lurker? Sure I can go grab a dictionary or google translate. But 1 of my points I typically try to teach native english speakers is "How about we switch the entire conversation to (eg) French, and you have to rely on your French you learned in high-school (let's assume). And I, unintentionally, keep forgetting that you are struggling to understand the French-I-Learned-On-My-Father's-Knee ... Don't consider it as an offence please, just trying to put you in shoes like mine, understand?

A "lurker" here is someone who visits frequently but does not post. In the real world think of a lurker as being someone perhaps hiding around a corner as you pass instead of revealing his/her presence to you.

Thank you PoyGeo, for your effort to explain it. Here is what I did with it: meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/37966 Funny though to see it's current approval/rejection status (i.e. the "reason" mentioned there). Curious to see how it will be judged ... Not sure (without having searched the help about it first ...) if it is appropriate here to ask for "wish me good luck!" ...

# Sabre ... It not only "seems" like rejected, it simply "is" rejected. But not (exactly) for the reason as you mentioned. I.e. both rejections say "This edit does not make the post even a little bit easier to read, easier to find, more accurate or more accessible. Changes are either completely superfluous or actively harm readability." !!! Actually I'm not surprised (anymore), and I honestly do not have a problem at all with the rejection (I will keep trying until "somebody" (higher up in the SE-hierarchy ?) will finally understand the points I'm trying to make (more in my next comment).

@Pierre.Vriens (Re my comment a while back) - I agree.

@Pierre.Vriens Your edit was rejected because it is not required. The site is officially English and adding descriptions in places for non-Engish speakers is not welcomed really. I mean, there are 70,000 questions and 111,000 answers here on MSE alone. Are we to edit them all to make them understandable to non-native English? You need to slow down on the edits and whatnot, until you are more familiar with what is allowed, what is frowned upon, and to be honest - what is useful. Speaking of "useful": meta.stackexchange.com/questions/7931/…

Merci Patron, aka James ... You must have seen already that I accepted your answer as "the" answer. Give me some more time to further rework my question content in the spirit of your teaching in this comment, and your answer, OK? Similar request for more time to 'Deer Hunter' (I believe, I saw a comment that disappeared now). Note: "Merci", not "Mercy" as my spellchecker suggests ...

Followup about the (valuable also!) feedback from @Sabre: current balance is 6 approved/5 rejected again (instead of 4 approved / 4 rejected when you commented on that), with 1 more review pending a final verdict. Notice which (symbolic?) tag I decided to pick for trying to get in better shape again. Mea culpa (= 'sorry') for that one mistake I made in doing so (reputation points start at 1, I thought at 0, a mistake I corrected in the meantime).

Marking this question as 'duplicate' triggers about 5 new questions to me. Change "an answer" to "a question why it was market as duplicate" in the 5 bullets of nr 1 in my OP for understanding what my new questions are. But out of respect for James, I'm going "to take the 5th" (sorry for those who understand each word, but not the combination of them). It may take a while before I have figured out the answers to my 5 new questions, so don't hold your breath for it. No I am not frustrated (don't worry), just trying to apply what I recently learned from "Mon Patron on SE"!

I've voted to reopen. This question and the one it supposedly dupes have the same "basic premise", but we have to consider that all 4 answers from the other question only answers a fraction of this one. It does not cover many of the questions raised here in this one. The other one is relevant and worth linking to but hardly a dupe. We have to allow users to ask about things in addition to what is asked in other questions, otherwise we could probs close about 20% of all questions as a dupe of something else..

Can't believe my eyes, to read what James (oeps, Patron) wrote just above. Just so anybody knows: I do not have any contact info to PM him (even though I hope to some day receive that "privilege" ...). Anyway, talking about reopen (and knowing that I should not "highjack" my own question or his question, right?!?!), I'm just going to write what I now wonder for myself: where the **** did that guy find that button or whatever, which I've been searching for for hours ... Even worse: why can the OP of this question NOT say "glad you asked, at least somebody starts to understand my point". +1000 !

Pierre, I urge you to visit chat rooms of the sites you like. You'll find experienced users, like @James, who haven't forgotten what it's like to be new, and are a perfect combination of teacher and cheerleader! It's a great place to ask questions about the way this confusing system works. I would have given up without my "Patron" who I met in my first room. He still mentors me daily, and now other people do too. You're obviously kind and just want to do things the right way-just the type of person who makes this place so great! I appreciate your question, and hope to see you around!

Thank you Sue ... Figuring out how to get there, what privileges I need for it, what the etiquette is, etc is still on my todo list. I want to avoid being considered as a party cruncher (or something similar) when entering there, especially since I'm not sure yet what the mix of participants there will be. Also, your adventures sound soooooo familiar to me. And you also found "a" Patron over there (I assume a kind of James the 2nd ... or maybe "the" James frm around here). By the way: "giving up" is something I never do (and not part of my (English) dictionary).

@sue Did you just call me a "cheerleader"...? :P (one high kick and my back will be toast for a week..)

@James-Yup! :) Also, I thank you for voting to reopen this. I spend a lot of time researching "dupes" and find many that, like this, have merit and are related, but don't meet the level of duplicate. It's hard enough, especially on Meta, for new questions to get the respect they deserve; and closing them just because they've appeared in a previous discussion, isn't always helpful. I appreciate you realizing that.

Why search my way to the chat "room", if we have a chat "box" around here ... Wish I had figured out already how I can at least "watch the game" regarding that vote-to-reopen ... even if it was only to see how the cheerleaders look like. Sorry SE-designers, but "that" looks like an error in your "user experience design".

Patron, are you around and if so, is it OK to use "this chatbox" like above regarding your "valid!" rejection to "my" suggested wiki edit? .. Over (like a walkie-talkie ...). Actually why bother, he'll probably see this comment some day, so I'm going to write some notes to myself here about what I see happening, how I try to respond to it, and the kind of extra questions I have ... Hoping that's ok to use this commenting feature for ..;

Notes to myself: (1) find some type of blogging feature where I can write down "my thoughts" (like todos), where nobody is disturbed by me doing so. While waiting for that, I could use "my own site" (too bad for SE ...). (2) Le Patron was the 1st to reject my suggested edit, but he's right .... grrrrrrrr (to myself), so I quickly noticed it (bizarre I can...), and EDITED my suggested edit to take away (I hope) ALL his valid arguments. A pitty that my "original" suggested edit seems to no longer be available (at least not to me), next reviewers won't understand what he's referring to I fear ...

You know what, I'm going a different route and consider this as a business opportunity ... Question to mysef: How do I start a NUE-initiative? FYI: NUE is (by accident) German, right? A translation of NEW (!!!). But I am going to use it as "my" nickname for "New User Experience" and with suffix initiative ... And I can probably use nue to start my personal list of tags I'm thinking off (just have to verify that using that SYNTAX does not break any SE rules ... Some people describe me as "he knows just enough to be dangerous" ... OK, correct me where appropriate, I accept critique ...