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5:28 AM
we're aware of it; I'm just looking at some glitch that has cropped up preventing deployment (it is already fixed etc)
 
5:53 AM
(fixed; that was fun)
 
6:32 AM
I just noticed, there are 2 rooms with the name Super User.
 
One is for super users. The other is for super users.
 
Hi @MarcGravell, I've been thinking 'chat' on and off all weekend :) I think that starring is going to become very important for high-volume rooms, but maybe it needs another icon. Starring is too much like voting.
Maybe 'pin'? or 'landmark'?
And it could/should also be used for marking not just individual posts, but (for example) the beginning of an interesting/important discussion
 
6:49 AM
I agree. For example, I just starred the first part of that post, but really, I want to star the entire thing - the set of 3.
 
Yeah, I pondered for a while whether to ask that as a question on meta, simply because in a few minutes, my comment will have scrolled off screen and be 'lost'
 
Time to go home! my boss just went to class, so he won't know when I left :D
 
@Mechko, already? I only just started :)
@MarcGravell, Another thing I've thought about is private/direct messaging. People are going to carry on asking for it, I fear. The main reason invoked is being able to send other people 'private' contact details. I think that if you satisfy that need, it might remove some of the strength of the demand. Idea: people could enter their contact details once in their profile, then you'd have a special syntax/button for making them visible to a specific user.
 
@Benjol I'm in Australia. :D
 
@Benjol and I think Jeff will carry on saying "no"
 
6:55 AM
better yet, a 900 (toll) phone # and mailbox codes... "Chat live with hot young Stack Overflowers, only $4.99/minute!"
 
@Mechko, ok, I see, have a good one
 
@Benjol Also, you might consider having a user being able to request another's contact detail by a button their profile. You'd only have that button if you wanted to be able to share contact details.
 
@Benjol - sorry, re-read.
that sounds workable; maybe
A bit "facebook" though ;p
 
@MarcGravell, maybe I'm wrong about that being the 'main reason', in which case my argument kind of falls flat.
 
@Benjol: I actually suspect folks do wish to carry on private / semi-private conversations
 
6:57 AM
But, say - for example - you were coming on holiday in my neck of the woods and wanted to chat about places to visit, or drinking a beer together, what do we do?
Create a separate room - which is preserved forever?
 
email...?
 
@Shog9, yeah, but how do I send my email to just you?
 
you look up my email address on my website
 
But what if I don't have one? A website, I mean
 
some people put them in their profiles
 
6:58 AM
@Shog9, yeah, which supposes you have a website, and that you have your address on it, or that you want to include it on your profile
 
What if you are pedantic about privacy and hence don't want to share your email with just anyone.
 
@Benjol: well... yeah - it supposes that you want to be contacted
 
@Shog9, I do want to be contacted by people I 'know', but not by Mr KeepGoingAllNight and his friends
 
eh, Marc, why is this thing chirping at me long after the last message that mentions my name has been posted?
 
@shog9 For example, wlog, I want to give benjol my email address, but I don't want to let you know it. It would not work for me to post it on the site :-p
 
7:02 AM
@Benjol: this is where you really find out how well you know the people you think you "know"
I'd have to say, if neither one of you wants to post your email address in anything resembling a public place, then a PM system in chat isn't going to help
email addresses are easy to come by
granted, it's not hard to set up a new account on Meta, scrape together 20 points, and show up here...
but it's still harder than getting a throw-away email address
 
@Shog9, yeah well, knowing here on the interwebs definitely does require the quotes... but read what I said. I wasn't asking for a PM system, just for a way to easily take the discussion elsewhere. And the aim is also to remove the pressure for a PM system
And a non-negligable positive side-effect might be to remove a bit of cruft from discussions here too. I dunno, just thinking out loud
 
so essentially your idea is, i'd have a private area on my bio page where I could put contact info. Then, I'd click a little "share with *user*" button, enter your ID, and you'd get access to this area for some indeterminate amount of time.
 
@Shog9, yessir
 
so i'd use this by posting in an open chat somewhere, "Hey, Benjol, go check my bio page - there you'll find my email address, with which you can send me an email, at which point we'll be able to continue our planning in private"
 
@Shog9, more-or-less, yes. It's mildly clunky. Though to be honest I was thinking more Skype or some-other-chat mechanism rather than email address. But 'I clicked on a button and you should be able to see my contact details in my profile now'.
 
7:10 AM
I'm kinda thinking this only solves the PM problem by making abuse more awkward than its worth
 
(All this supposes that you trust SO with your precious contact details - which, if you're severely paranoid - you might not :)
 
but if you're that severely paranoid, you probably don't want to talk to people in any case...
 
if you're that paranoid, you log onto Chat with a fake name and then leave quickly upon realizing it's logged.
 
Who are you!? Where did that beep come from!? Are you spying on my computer or something. It's the CIA, I knew it!
 
Jin
which level is this? where's my totem?
 
7:15 AM
Regarding my first idea (chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/chats/message/63056?offset=120), a question that I find needs an answer is "I've just come back to this room, where should I read from to catch up on the discussion?"
 
if you scroll up a few lines and never close the window, it just kinda hangs onto that spot for you.
I haven't found this terribly useful, but i suppose if you were able to preserve that across sessions it might help.
I guess you could just bookmark the permalinks though too.
 
Greasemonkey script could help with that
 
@Shog9, there is a new link at the top of the page (which I just noticed) - "load to my last message". which could be helpful, except on a high volume room (like this one), when I've been away for several days...
 
heh
yeah, scanning logs becomes futile quickly
 
Maybe stars should be renamed to "salient points" :)
 
7:20 AM
I vote for "purple horseshoes"
 
7:56 AM
you're all fired!!
oops wrong room
 
@JeffAtwood, is that re:private messages? ;)
 
Now now, go find your medicine before you do something you'll regret :)
 
 
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9:25 AM
wow, cool interface
 
Yup, not much happening here at the moment though ;)
 
you still here benjol
 
WE are here to make it happen :) and this is my first Chat too :)
 
@Mechko, yup, you at home now then? FWIW, I'm posting my (now scrolled into oblivion) suggestions on meta after all.
 
hehehe
yep. Just got home a little while ago
met a cute girl on the train apparently went to elementary school with me like 10 years ago
she recognized me and we chatted for a while, had coffee and got a date for tomorrow night. Day is seeming a lot better since I left work. :D
 
9:35 AM
Good luck with that then :)
 
@benjol your profile does offer a "catch up" option...
 
@MarcGravell, oh yes, that's nice. I'll add it to my question..
 
10:18 AM
mornin all
 
yup; it definitely is
 
10:33 AM
hello all
 
10:49 AM
all is quiet on the western front
 
it certainly is.
 
status-normal
 
yes
 
<tumbleweed/>
DesertPlain.Blow<tumbleweed>();
I'm guessing those of us in work are hard at it! (except me, obviously!)
 
and me
 
10:52 AM
I think I like the bounty questions now, many of them are much more involved, more to sort through/track down
this one is the most code someone's worked on/shown in the jQuery category I can remember:
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Q: Cannot Pass All jQuery 1.4.2 Ajax Unit Tests With my Plug-in

GutzofterI've created a plug-in that duck-punches the jQuery Ajax function. One problem that I cannot locate when running the Ajax unit tests for 1.4.2 It will not pass the two tests Ajax events with context jQuery.ajax context modification Test one has a test that always fails: function callback(ms...

 
@NickCraver, yeah, more stuff I can't answer :(
 
hey everyone has their areas, you don't see me answering perl questions :)
which are harder IMO, because you have to determine if it's encrypted or not first
 
Nice work, @Nick. I don't often look through the featured questions but I might start as it looks like they present a bit more of a challenge :-)
 
@Andy me either - I haven't answered a bounty in months, may take more of a look now though, some interesting ones there
 
Quick slightly offtopic question: are there any free Flash compilers? I've never written in ActionScript, but I kinda want to, but I'm not planning to pay to learn a language I'll probably never use.
 
10:57 AM
Yeah. I've just never been bothered about the bonus rep, tbh. But I love the new bounty system, I just offered 500 rep on another guy's question that I couldn't answer for him. His question had gone unanswered, but it has 3 answers now.
 
nice, yeah i love that bounty idea
 
@MarcGravell: The star/unstar this message appears for me when I hover over my own messages. Clicking it obviously gives me the FORBIDDEN!!!! message.
I still think it would be great to have Shift+Click for reply, Ctrl+Click for starring :-P
 
cheers; will look at that
 
should we be able to flag our own posts? i'm sure it's been brought up
 
I think us narcissists should be able to star our own chat messages! ;)
 
11:03 AM
@Andy is it me? Or does this question: stackoverflow.com/questions/3439281/… really make you want to re-think this one: stackoverflow.com/questions/3428823/…
In the first question I'm referring to the answers, not the question
 
ha, yeah
I hate it when people use .is(":checked"), it's borderline stupidity
@Nick: Might have to downvote your answer to the second question out of pure disagreement ;-)
 
subjective man, that's what CW - expect downvotes
express your opinion through downvoting!
 
nah I'm just kidding. I agree with your answer really :-)
lol at "why would anybody vote to close a community wiki?"
 
i do agree with the OP lately, I'm seeing more questions by people who don't know what they're doing, leaning on a library too much, I just think if Prototype was the most popular...the same people would be asking the same questions, just using Protoype instead
haha yeah, if it wouldn't be immediately flagged I'd make a random wiki of who's your favorite polka singer to prove that point
 
11:18 AM
I consider myself to be rather lazy, but not in my coding (in the sense that, my code looks like it was written as a shortcut).
 
(I hate to be the one to say it, but you might want a "general SO griping" room for that ;p)
 
@MarcGravell: yeah, I was just thinking we were drifting away from Chat feedback a little :-) Sorry.
 
oops thought this was the Tavern
in that case back to: should we be allowed to flag our own message?
 
@Marc, someone had to :)
 
are invitations implemented yet?
 
11:24 AM
@Andy - yep, go to the user's profile
I think @balpha said they're not finished, they're just in/working...aim is to make them in the room instead of via the profile
 
@Nick - remind me; can you flag your own? (what you see is not necessarily what I see...)
and do you mean regular flags, or moderator flags?
 
@MarcGravell, I just tried, and it didn't complain
though I don't see any difference (flag for moderator, can't see offensive link on my own posts)
 
@Marc - I get a flag for moderator option on the gutter menu for my own messages
seems to work too
 
yes; I see those - that is expected behaviour. For the same reason that you can mod-flag your own posts on SO
deploying; if it all stops, blame me ;p
 
11:32 AM
do we need to refresh?
 
it should work either way, but some things won't happen without a refresh
 
well, I refreshed anyway :)
 
@MarcGravell, what should we see now? :)
 
I knew you would ask that... have tidied a few things around replies; they now appear in the event-stream, for example - so you'll start bouncing if someone explicitly replies to you. You also get things like scrolling/highlight for replies (if the original message is available in the client)
 
@Benjol - Unicorns, lotS of unicorns
 
11:38 AM
so if I reply to something way back here, you can find it just by clicking
 
someone reply this this por favor
 
explicit
@nick implicit
 
Very nice, I'm loving all this 'live coding'
 
didn't get to test the bound on explicit, try just an explicit this time
 
picky picky
 
11:40 AM
nice
 
Hah that was my suggestion :-P everybody, look at me! my feedback was implemented! I'm the greatest.
 
@AndyE'shead, I get a kick out of that too, though given the amount of stuff I throw at Marc, statistically at least something should stick :)
 
@MarcGravell: how come when I hover over an explicit reply, the reply arrow gets covered by a grey box?
 
is the mouseover on the reply arrow supposed to be an ugly grey square?
 
@Andy - er... 'cos the CSS is wrong?
sigh
 
11:42 AM
@MarcGravell: there, there...
 
I smell background-position woes :)
 
That styling made sense when it was the unicode cr
 
This is a bit like the classic caricature of roadworks - 4 blokes standing around chatting while one guy is in the hole with a shovel :)
 
LOL - Well, the council does need foremen to delegate the work! :)
 
yeah, but he's using the shovel to dig a hole 6" long and 3-blokes wide
 
11:44 AM
lol
 
Now my colleague is giving me weird looks, wants to know what's so funny about my code
 
send him an email telling him you forgot to mark a base class method as virtual and found it hilarious!
 
happy now?
(waits for "but there's no hover text")
 
moderately
 
this has to be some of "funniest" code i've seen///
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A: What is your solution to the FizzBuzz problem?

WolfbyteGolfing is easy. How large can you make it? Enterprise FizzBuzz is written in C# and weighs in at 12 classes and 3 interfaces (not including the main program driver). It comes with a suite of unit tests written in MbUnit. It's fairly loosely coupled but I really should update it for C# 3.5.

 
11:48 AM
Yes, there's no hover text
 
I really should implement the button Jeff added. He's taking the novel approach "add non-functioning buttons to the UI; hope the dev team notices and writes some code for that"
so don't be expecting "load to my last message" to do much at the moment
 
sorry to be a royal pita, marc, but any chance of some colour on that hover. I don't mind about the tooltip. It's all a bit grey around here.
 
The colours are site-themed. My local server is SO, so it has a bit more orange. Which is nice.
 
@CraigTP, you're not going to start going on about inspid dull-arsed taste are you?
 
ooh...very nice. That's ok then. (although I still think meta needs a splash of colour here and there)
 
11:52 AM
-6
Q: Why such dull colours?

James MorrisWhy such dull colours? Oh I forgot, it's created by programmers :-P I'm not by any means a designer, but from my art background I can tell you that changing the orange top-bar of stackoverflow, you've caused a collapse of the design regarding the rest of the colours. The design needs the orange ...

 
@Benjol - I actually think all of the SOFU sites are very well designed with really nice and complimentary colour schemes. All except meta! :)
 
meta is purposely designed to look boring to keep people off it :)
(that pic is blocked for me unfortunately)
 
Heh.. I'm just an old psychedelic music fan, you see... I like colour! :) (See the santana album cover artwork on en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_music for example!)
@MarcGravell - That screenshot looks much better!
 
BTW @Marc, you forgot to delete my test room (or you didn't have time, in which case sorry)
 
12:00 PM
I'm off to see if I can buy some mutton. I have a great curry recipe I want to try out tonight!..... See you later.
 
12:31 PM
@AndyE'shead, saw your answer :)
 
12:42 PM
I didn't know I was meant to be doing that...
 
@Benjol: I saw yours too :-)
@MarcGravell: duh, I totally blanked the reply icon.
 
@Andy - yes, if only there was some visual metaphor we could use to add context to something, perhaps even making it easy to find the original discussion.
 
@MarcGravell, maybe it was balpha, I can't remember, doesn't matter anyway... (cool, I managed to edit this from implicit to explicit reply!)
 
Tempted to star for the irony factor
 
Why an icon rather than just quote the message?
 
12:45 PM
@MarcGravell: interesting how hovering over a deleted reply still highlights the replied-to message.
@rchern: I guess that would be adding noise
 
because most of the time the other message is in sight
it would look very echoey'
> Why an icon rather than just quote the message?
 
Any ideas that wouldn't require a mouse?
 
cos it works this way too
I was thinking maybe ctrl+r toggles upwards through messages to reply to; esc to cancel - thoughts?
 
@rchern: you can use implicit replies like this one
 
@MarcGravell, another css glitch, more subtle, but if you mouseover my explicit answer to your explicit answer, the arrow on yours is invisible again...
 
12:47 PM
@AndyE'shead, yes I know, but that doesn't help me if someone else does it.
 
@Benjol that went over my head; what now?
 
@rchern: Ah I see what you mean - "how do you follow the conversation without a mouse?"
 
@MarcGravell, he's saying the dark gray highlight is the same color as the gray arrow
 
ah right; could someone reply to this please?
 
It's not quite the same, but it does make it much more difficult to see.
@MarcGravell: like this?
 
12:49 PM
that'll do, yes
 
Or like this?
 
OK; I'll bump @Jin ;p
 
@AndyE'shead, pretty much.
 
gotta go for now...
 
hmm
the autocomplete is stripping that space
 
12:51 PM
@rchern, do you mean the bug Andy mentioned a while back (4th in starred list)?
 
no
type @And and hit tab. I get "@AndyE'shead" but in the left column, his display name is "Andy E's head"
 
@rchern: that's expected behaviour
 
(sorry for all the alerts btw)
 
It combines the name without spaces
 
no worries :-)
 
12:53 PM
just never noticed it
 
One of the rules for @ notifications is that it must be followed by at least 3 letters and have no spaces. Removing the spaces makes it work for people who have names like "J. Doe" (@J.Doe)
 
Just noticed a new bug, if you click on profile, the b tags are encoded around last seen times
 
lol that's a new one
@Marc's disappeared for now, so I'll star it
 
thanks
 
I think that we should steal @Marc and @balpha's mouse and make them use chat without it
 
12:58 PM
I think a decent tabbing structure is needed
 
I think it's difficult, judging from the few days I've had on here, discussions are very fluid.
Sometimes there are several on at once, in which case @ is really necessary (though people don't always bother)
other times, everyone is talking about the same thing, and we relapse (like now)
So it would be difficult to reconstruct a 'thread' and tab back up it - if that's what you mean
 
hmm, yeah. Tabbing is usually forwards, shift tabbing is backwards. It would seem a bit awkward.
 
To be honest, using the mouse doesn't bother me, in this case.
ok, gotta do some work now :)
 
 
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5:25 PM
fixed
 
6:15 PM
Woah, cool feature that "reply/highlight reply" feature.
SUGGESTION: The arrow-symbol on the reply looks counter-intuitive to me.
The little arrow symbol is analogous to the giant arrow you would draw from the original post down to the reply, if we had infinite real estate. Correct?
But the arrow you use (↰) is pointing up and away from the bottom. Arrows pointing to the replies should come down from above (↳).
Yes?
 
you'd need to indent the replies slightly to allow that... and shuffle non-replies out of the way to avoid them being cut-off...
 
I don't understand how that affects which arrow you use. Rotate it 180-degrees.
 
6:29 PM
@Shog9: I see where I caused the confusion. I tried to clarify my feature-request.
 
eh... @Robert, I was actually trying to imply that, ideally, the display would be threaded. I have no real preference on arrow direction, other than that the arrow you suggest might make it appear that the post was a response to the message directly above it.
 
@Robert - (redacted me talking nonsense) - note we have two arrows in play; I'm open to suggestions for them.
 
7:02 PM
Well, I'm glad that the arrow doesn't look like an 'r' anymore.
 
7:14 PM
Is there any plans to make this chat engine useful for teams outside of stackexchange? @Jeff seems to think it is very useful for distributed team collaboration. It would be really nice if other teams could use this statefull-web-chat system for their intra-team communication.
 

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