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12:49 AM

Is there a chat room specific to bootloaders, or at least to GRUB2?

Journeyman Geek

6:43 AM

nope

Its a little too niche a subject

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

7:09 AM

@SmokeDetector f

Not really a link too.

Huh! Found a perfect balance!

Just like...

So I'm not going to break this sacred balance. ;)

Where's everyone? Still sleeping after yesterday's Mother's Day events? :D

@M.A.R you also have Mother's Day, or something like that? In Israel it was replaced with Family Day, don't remember when though.

Luuklag

o/

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

7:33 AM

\ם

oops well similar enough :D

Pretty sure we already had the discussion about ם and o being similar. ;)

Square vs. circle

Luuklag

8:24 AM

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar you look more like a lego like this xD

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@Luuklag lego? #isConfused

Meta Andrew T.

8:41 AM

Lego, also known as Bricks

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@MetaAndrewT. oh @Luuk means the ם looks like a lego brick?

!!/ם

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar No such command 'ם'.

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

:(

Mithical

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar ס is more similar

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@Mithical yeah but it's far away, on the second side of the keyboard almost. ;)

ם and o are same key.

ס is on the key of x

Luuklag

8:47 AM

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar Like the head of a lego minifigure

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@Luuklag this?

Luuklag

yes

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

8:59 AM

hmm yeah, you got a point, @Luuk

(font size 200px ;))

Luuklag

haha xD

tripleee

9:19 AM

@SmokeDetector still up

flag-pls spam returning spammer gardening.stackexchange.com/a/62284

Luuklag

9:32 AM

@JNat cross site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/25240440/wu-alison?tab=accounts

@SmokeDetector k

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@SmokeDetector k

@tripleee k

JNat

9:53 AM

@Luuklag gone

M.A.R.

10:12 AM

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar we do, we even have a week, I think, by extension

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar wow, how Woke of Israel

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@M.A.R. lucky mothers! :D

becoming @M.A.R's mother

@Luuklag ;)

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar rejected

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@M.A.R. pretending to be @M.A.R's mother just to get gifts

M.A.R.

Jokes on you, we only make her bake a cake on mother's day

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

10:17 AM

Diamond ring should be enough, thanks. :P

@M.A.R. nooooooooooo

M.A.R.

Bake me a sandwich

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

running away

I never baked a cake actually, lol

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar thats not very woke of you xD

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@Luuklag but I do bake other things, and making food ;)

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. throws a rather dusty, high witch at @M.A.R.

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

10:21 AM

Dang now I'm hungry

Journeyman Geek

there you have a baked sand witch

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@JourneymanGeek wait, why would the witch be high?? You racist, not all witches use drugs. :P

reading through law book if witch is allowed to take drugs

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar ITS MEDICINAL

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@JourneymanGeek grass is MEDICINAL too ;)

Journeyman Geek

That's kinda the joke

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

10:25 AM

:P

Feeds

1:07 PM

New data: developers and prioritizing wellness at work

Katrina Dene on May 09, 2022

As May is Mental Health Awareness Month, we wanted to see what developers are doing to decrease that stress and prioritize their own wellness. Earlier this year, we surveyed over 800 developers to see if they are happy at work and what they are doing to maintain or improve mental health.

Mithical

2:24 PM

@balpha is returning to Stack Overflow

8

balpha

👀

Mithical

I thought you were here unusually often lately :)

balpha

Pure coincidence 😁

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@balpha yeeeah right ;)

Well chat needs you!

3

balpha

2:43 PM

Not sure how much I'll be working on chat. Even before I left it hadn't been much of a priority. But we haven't talked about details of my role yet.

Journeyman Geek

2:56 PM

@balpha eh, even if it isn't chat, its still a good thing to have folks who get how stuff (should?) (allegedly?) works here around ._.

balpha

First order of business: Close meta.stackexchange.com/q/370918 as no longer reproducible 😂

Journeyman Geek

@balpha I love trolling folks as much as the next guy so...

@balpha how long before they give you the keys, and UNLIMITED POWER (within reason)?

also, I am tempted to historical lock that later >_>

also I THINK the redaction tool is slightly different, and still scares me enough I rarely use it

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@balpha heh. Yeah chances aren't great. You know who will you work with, at least?

@balpha :-D

Kevin B

3:14 PM

🚽

Wolgwang

Hi!

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/3229/the-periodic-table

Isn't this room the main room of Chem.SE?

balpha

3:32 PM

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar Sounds like I'll be on the Teams team

Catija

😁 welcome back @balpha (almost)

V2Blast

@balpha Welcome back! Also, nice to meet you? :P

@Wolgwang I've unfrozen that room now

in Chat feedback on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, May 6 at 5:28, by Martin Sleziak

This room has been relatively silent recently. Just in case it gets frozen, I will remind that moderators can unfreeze chatrooms - so you can ask some moderator (from any site) whether they would be willing to do so. See also: https://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/frozen-rooms/info and How do I unfreeze a frozen chat room?

balpha

@Catija 👋

@V2Blast Hi! Thank you 😀

Journeyman Geek

there's no such thing as a fixed main room I think

its a function of age and activity

Catija

3:48 PM

Just activity as far as I can tell. Election rooms take over sometimes and they're brand new

curious

4:11 PM

→ 11 messages moved to Chimney

M.A.R.

4:56 PM

@Mithical that explains a lot

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. DOES IT?

M.A.R.

OK so . . . I want . . . Fixed oneboxes, ability to send obnoxious stickers, a page where we can see and enjoy all recent chat drama on the server,

I'm full of good ideas, but they might need some time to surface

Ability to kick moderators out of chatrooms

Special room-owner swag for being such underappreciated awesome people

Different colors for chat highlights, like phosphor green, magenta, violet, vibrant pink

Add 🤣 and 🤪 as meta chat feed reactions

@JourneymanGeek IT DOES

Markdown for multiline messages

Auto-fade images and gifs

Journeyman Geek

He's on the teams team tho

I think the only real indication of interest in chat was Phillipe asking about it

M.A.R.

5:12 PM

You CANNOT stop me from dreaming, Greek

Journeyman Geek

TECHNICALLY...

M.A.R.

Specially my better ideas

Journeyman Geek

puts @M.A.R. on a caffeine drip, and plays a hard rock version of the song that dosen't end with the volume turned up to 11

Mithical

@JourneymanGeek and I believe the T&S team was looking at it

Kevin B

ez

just make chat a feature of teams

and it'll get all the support it's ever needed

M.A.R.

5:14 PM

nods off

Journeyman Geek

@Mithical Well - in terms of tooling for other things.

bobble

ey can I ask a thing

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek WHAT DID YOU SAY

Journeyman Geek

@KevinB tbh, it probably is a better chat system than most

M.A.R.

@bobble no

Kevin B

5:14 PM

It is

M.A.R.

We're clearly in the middle of something important here

Kevin B

i don't want it replaced, but i'd be happy with some improvements

Journeyman Geek

@bobble you just did

Kevin B

like built-in dark mode

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek too late, the revolution has begun

bobble

5:15 PM

sigh I'm not in the mood for sarcasm today, just wanted to know if I would be interrupting anything too important

Journeyman Geek

@KevinB well - I'd at least love to see regular maintanance and gradually beinging it inline with the rest of the network

Kevin B

so that when they do decide to work on it my dark mode extension isn't busted forever

Journeyman Geek

@bobble sorry, just ask then

Mithical

(feel free to ask something, this is just a tough crowd)

bobble

I submitted two contact forms recently reporting scrapers which did not follow the license (had a link to the original question but it was sorta hidden and they prominently misattributed the Q&A), got an email stating this:

> All content on Stack Exchange is licensed under either CC-BY-SA 3.0 or CC-BY-SA-4.0. The Creative Commons licenses permit other sites to reproduce content that appears on the Stack Exchange network, so long as they follow the Creative Commons attribution requirements.

Because we have no standing to ask another site to take down content they have reproduced from our site, there is unfortunately very little we can do to address scrapers, and we are no longer pursuing these avenues as a company.

is there anything I can do?

M.A.R.

5:16 PM

@bobble oh, sorry, carry on. Legit questions are about the only important things going on in the Tavern

Journeyman Geek

@KevinB Annoyances aside - stacks should make it easier

@bobble not really

bobble

i'm annoyed that it seems they said the scraper followed attribution

Kevin B

stacks just makes producing bugs easier

Journeyman Geek

I think SE kinda realised its ... basically more trouble than its worth, and stopped chasing them

ThiefMaster

@bobble ddos them xD

Journeyman Geek

5:17 PM

@KevinB maybe! But a lot of the issues we've had are "not understanding user needs" over "fundamentally broken"

@bobble its a stock message

balpha

Journeyman Geek

I THINK its identical to what's on meta

Mithical

@bobble Since SE does not technically own the content that is being unlawfully reproduced, they cannot seek action against them.

bobble

If the email just said "we're not pursuing any scrapers regardless of attribution" I'd be fine, that's their decision. But the way it's worded makes it seem like "so long as they follow the Creative Commons attribution requirements" scrapers are not pursued and the scrapers I reported failed that test

M.A.R.

@bobble scrapers always fail that rule anyways

rene

5:19 PM

@bobble in the FAQ under when should I not report these sites :/ .... I guess we're left with being annoyed about it .... :(

Journeyman Geek

basically yes

technically if its your question, you could probably start DCMA takedowns? :D

then create a site to automate the process, then sue them if they don't...

bobble

ah, I hadn't seen the changes there since the last time I reported a thing (2021)

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek Do you want some flint with that spark?

More like liquid nitroglycerin

bobble

can I, I dunno, whine about the email's wording on Meta, in a productive way?

Kevin B

eh, well

noone on meta can do anything about it, but it wouldn't be alone in that regard

Mithical

5:24 PM

@bobble Sure. There's an off chance a support CM will see it.

Journeyman Geek

@bobble yes

@Mithical I am reasonably certain CMs follow meta these days

Mithical

I'm pretty sure animuson at least keeps tabs on Meta.SE.

M.A.R.

@bobble very likely it'll get a few upvoted and then slowly die off, but it's better to have a post to refer to later

Mithical

@JourneymanGeek Sure, but the support team is slightly offset.

Journeyman Geek

People talk?

and I think this is more a mainline CM/policy issue too

Mithical

5:25 PM

:O

M.A.R.

@Mithical they have a high margin harharhar

Journeyman Geek

well some people talk!

Mithical

@JourneymanGeek Eh. Could be. In any case, no harm in posting it.

Journeyman Geek

@Mithical also, I think the support team is vaguely seperate now, Animuson mostly does it cause, well he feels like it

the new CM posting they had was pretty much a helpdesk CM (and I was rather annoyed I'm still not able to apply... )

M.A.R.

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Q: Is Thomas the Tank Engine on-topic?

Thomas is a talking tank engine. He lives on an island called Sodor and basically drives around having minor adventures with his friends and moving passengers and freight. Are the Thomas stories on-topic for any other reason than the trains talk (in which case, these seem to fall foul of our rule...