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Spevacus

12:48 AM

@Rob Pictured: Lost Souls on MSE being ferried across the internet.

Rob

It's Theodore Tugboat, clearing the Suez Canal.

Spevacus

Lol

That stuff has always impressed me.

Land an incredibly expensive robot on Mars? Eh.

Rob

Theodore, or tugboats in general?

Spevacus

Move an incredibly heavy ship across a body of water with a tiny lil boat? Impressive.

Rob

@Spevacus The tugboat is usually assisted by maneuvering thrusters, and the prop; see how fast it can turn in the video:

Manoeuvring thruster

Manoeuvring thruster (bow thruster or stern thruster) is a transversal propulsion device built into, or mounted to, either the bow or stern, of a ship or boat to make it more manoeuvrable. Bow thrusters make docking easier, since they allow the captain to turn the vessel to port or starboard side, without using the main propulsion mechanism which requires some forward motion for turning; The effectiveness of a thruster is curtailed by any forward motion due to the Coandă effect. A stern thruster is of the same principle, fitted at the stern. Large ships might have multiple bow thrusters and stern...

Large Evergreen Container Ship EVER LOTUS departing Newark, NJ Container Terminal

►

Rob

1:17 AM

Live Updates: vesselfinder.com/?imo=9811000

Journeyman Geek

1:38 AM

@Spevacus I live next to a port. Never gets old

Rob

2:47 AM

Singapore based BSM says it has an Indian crew, and was on its way to Rotterdam.

Feeds

4:45 AM

stackoverflow.blog/2021/03/26/…

Journeyman Geek

7:09 AM

I'm wondering if autoflagging via smokedetector dropped off somewhat

I'm half certain I'm actually flagging stuff, when smokey would get it before

rene

7:22 AM

@JourneymanGeek data shows a small drop metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/data/sql/queries/… but not sure if that is huge enough to notice?

Journeyman Geek

@rene if it keeps track of time to deletion..

rene

→ 42 messages moved to Chimney

@JourneymanGeek I'm sure it does but I never got to it to dig into their schema much.

Rob

7:51 AM

@JourneymanGeek I don't see you or your sock, I do see several other people who are in this chat daily (and once a week) have made feedback that has been recorded; including my own - so it works though there's not been much overall. --- As for "Time to Deletion", that's here: metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/sites/…

Luuklag

8:11 AM

What do we think of this ancient post and its answers

4

Q: What's the preference on using real names and photos?

On some forums they prefer users using their real names, since it's easier to relate to a person than to a "thing". Since we have avatars, would a self-photo be better than a meaningless pic? Any preference or benefit of this on Stack Exchange? Does it help people better understand your posts?

A lot of answers really are NAA's, but seing its historical I'm hesitant to flag them as such

Journeyman Geek

At worst maybe a historic lock

Luuklag

Well you just called it upon yourself @JourneymanGeek

although the question is that off-topic

Journeyman Geek

That's kinda a textbook use of a historical lock

Done

Rob

8:32 AM

Surely a duplicate of this, found from the real-name tag; though there's probably a more thorough search possible, using great search terms:

54

Q: Is it bad to use your "real name" as your user name?

I use my real name. However, I started wondering if this is bad and am considering changing it. I ask A LOT of questions on Stack Overflow, way more than I answer. Mainly because for most questions that I can answer, someone else beats me to the punch. So I just up-vote them instead. Anyone can...

discussion display-names real-name

Way back when, some Q&As were all fun and it was difficult to tell a serious question apart from a frivolous one; until one briefly skims the answers.

Journeyman Geek

8:48 AM

@Rob there's a certain value in not taking meta too seriously

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SPArcheon

9:17 AM

Monica Cellio, codidact.com

169k 62 347 664

discussion feature-request support moderator-tools design bug flags

I really don't get why this user came to mind right now, probably has something to do with recent meta questions...

Luuklag

Yeah she's a prime example of why using your real name could turn out bad

Journeyman Geek

Eh. That's kinda true

But the overall situation was mismanaged and it would have been bad even if she hadn't

thenextweb.com/insider/2016/04/17/…

I remember that from server fault

Rob

@JourneymanGeek True. Occasionally someone new shows up and having done little research, and no check of the FAQ or for duplicates, proposes a grande idea that's going to improve everything. They then complain about downvotes or closing of their question, unreceptive to any advice offered; only to duplicate their question with a new one, which gets closed as a duplicate of their prior question. --- Finally they proclaim us as haters, and vow not to return and share their wisdom again. ---

SPArcheon

@JourneymanGeek you have an user deletion suggestion flag.

Reason should be obvious once you see the avatar.

Rob

Even people who have over 100K reputation have had that experience, though they did read and understand the comments and the advice offered; they didn't necessarily feel a lot better, but they understood what / why / how it all went wrong. --- Most recently though, was the point I made, is that the goofy Q&As of old are no longer frequent on MSE; with the most (recent) humorous ones being the play on words for retagging Titles.

Journeyman Geek

9:37 AM

@SPArcheon will review shortly..on my way home

M.A.R.

9:49 AM

@Rob Sometimes followed by another FR: "Make comments on downvotes mandatory"

Luuklag

I need to write 8 more discussion answers to get a silver tag badge :)

And then a whole lot more for the gold badge

writing that many answers will most certainly make my score large enough anyways

Journeyman Geek

@Rob Actually the difference between an experienced user and someone who thinks they know meta is...

We kinda know its a tough crowd, and know its ok to be wrong

Luuklag

@JourneymanGeek And we self delete before we get too much downvotes ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Luuklag I have some stuff that I posted knowing it would get downvoted

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Q: Are there any great reasons for or against having a paid for tier for the main SE sites, and what could that entail?

There's been a few suggestions from fellow users that we should consider having a paid tier on SE. Now, SE's fundamentally against being behind a paywall of any sort. I also remember someone suggesting it be a way to get around early user restrictions or even buying reputation. I personally don'...

discussion payment

that's my second lowest rated post

Luuklag

10:05 AM

@JourneymanGeek not too bad, my lowest rated post is:

-21

Q: Explaining downvotes, a new take on things

We have seen a lot of discussion around explaining downvotes over the years, and not all were well received. We even got to a point that we now have a separate question about why these topics are ill received. With the release of the articles feature on Stack Overflow Teams I saw an opportunity t...

discussion feature-request down-votes feedback

Journeyman Geek

10:36 AM

(and in this case I knew it was a bad idea but people kept bringing it up and... refusing to back it up)

Luuklag

12:39 PM

Can anyone confirm that this is a legitemate staff member? meta.stackexchange.com/users/430118/jc007b

The person has no Staff indicator on their profile, yet claims to be one in their profile description, and in an edit description

Perhaps @Catija knows?

Journeyman Geek

@Luuklag yup

Legit staff, have seen her around before

rene

@Luuklag I asked the same here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/290217/…

Catija

Her.

Journeyman Geek

....

My memory is photographic, only I forget to load the film

Luuklag

Don't you dare assume pronouns Journey ;)

Journeyman Geek

12:42 PM

>_>

Luuklag

@rene Yeah I left a similar comment on MSE

confusing much

Journeyman Geek

I'll probably not forget this time

Her profile says what she is

rene

@Luuklag our job is done then.

Journeyman Geek

and tbh, I can't really see it being very... easy to have to introduce yourself every time

/me spies a parrot and wonders why she's not couchslouching

Luuklag

@JourneymanGeek probably to avoid bedsores ;)

Catija

12:45 PM

stackoverflow.blog/2020/03/31/… Search for joy. It's in the thanks at the bottom.

rene

The couch got bored if only a CM would not sneak a message in before mine

Catija

Not sure what's wrong with her account. JNat said she has the staff marker.

Luuklag

@Catija blame caching, shall take 6-8 weeks to be resolved :)

Catija

How dare a CM do that!!! Tell me who and I'll address it immediately.

Journeyman Geek

:D

Luuklag

12:47 PM

It Appears Joy was already staff in nov. '19, so 6-8 weeks certainly have passed ;)

rene

@Catija this one. Thanks for looking into it.

Catija

... I'll have a stern talk with... myself about it. Thanks for having the courage to speak up.

rene

Speaking up is not a problem for the Dutch. Blurry but vocal.

Catija

Hahahaha

rene

While you are here: this might need internal routing: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/406254/…

Tinkeringbell

12:53 PM

@JourneymanGeek Had to preside over 1 10-minute online thing, tabs autoload ;)

Catija

@rene thanks. I'll ping people.

rene

np

Luuklag

Someone forgot about the timeframe to do the maintenance in?

Meta Stack Overflow is currently offline for maintenance

Journeyman Geek

is it today?

Luuklag

It should be tomorrow 1am UTC

at least when it's till friday for you

already back

Probably someone giving the cache a real hard kick to make this happen:

Journeyman Geek

1:04 PM

I'm GMT +8

so.... 9am for me....

Luuklag

@JourneymanGeek just in time for coffee

Journeyman Geek

I'm hoping to get back to 6.30 am wake ups when I have a break from this job :D :D :D

Luuklag

@JourneymanGeek thats only half an hour later then my regular alarm

Journeyman Geek

@Luuklag haven't really managed in 3 years

Luuklag

You woke up earlier?

Journeyman Geek

1:07 PM

I don't really have regular wake up and sleep timings with this job

Luuklag

you work shifts?

Journeyman Geek

... yup?

I'm pretty sure its been mentioned a lot here

Luuklag

yeah that aint great

I should pay more attentiont then ;)

Journeyman Geek

chat.meta.stackexchange.com/…

;)

Before that I used to get up early to walk Ash

Luuklag

Only once this year ;)

@JourneymanGeek yeah, that change in routine must be strange

Journeyman Geek

1:10 PM

The year's still yong

@Luuklag Funny thing is the last year walkies were when he was up to it. And I still sometimes forget and go "Its 4... oh..." or " Its "9... oh..."

@Luuklag he kinda followed my timing, so dad just took over, and less regularishly than me

Luuklag

@JourneymanGeek For me these things still happen when I pick a bag of lettuce or smth out of the fridge. Every now and then I still expect our guinea pigs to start squeeking.

They haven't been with us for over a year now I think

Journeyman Geek

@Luuklag I'm pretty sure if I get another dog, He'll be Journeyman, and I'll forget myself and call him Ash... and that's a few years ahead, short of another miracle

Luuklag

Yeah its fun how destiny has different things planned for you

Once our first cat died we were like, well lets wait a while till we get another one.

Catija

@rene Sounds like they were already contacted so the question may be moot but Joy is posting a response. :) Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Luuklag

Then 2 weeks later my sister called, a friend of hers found a stray kitten and couldn't keep it.

So we got Cleo

Journeyman Geek

1:16 PM

@Luuklag we kinda got ash by accident. Its the only way my parents would have gotten a dog. He was left with us by a former soap opera actress who bought the dog without telling her husband, who was my cousin's cousin and they got into a fight

Catija

As a note, this sort of thing about products on MSO is definitely something the mods can status review for us to get addressed internally. :)

Journeyman Geek

so we got this little furry ball of angry

who ended up being the most chill dog ever :D

I still have the scar from our first meeting 15 years ago :D

Luuklag

@JourneymanGeek thats one way to remind him by :)

Journeyman Geek

so ... it would be improbable :D

@Luuklag oh I have a little box with his favourite (and almost new - I got it a few months ago) collar, his favourite brush and his bandanna somewhere

Luuklag

thats nice

Journeyman Geek

1:21 PM

I'll probably get a snauzer or westie if I'm sure I can give him the same quality of life Ash had :D

dad and mom are like "no". Brother's like "My heart is broken, I'm never getting another dog ever again"

Adoption is nice, but singapore's pet laws are wierd and my new place's public housing.

Catija

@JourneymanGeek In addition to updating the help center, y'all might want to think about updating the close reasons to use the full format for the site-specific reasons. We've got five fields instead of one now, which means we can make the reasons much more helpful for closers (telling them when to use the reason) and for people who get their question closed.

I'm happy to do the editing if we can work on what the other four fields should say.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija You should/could suggest that as an answer.

Catija

True.

Journeyman Geek

(also it would be hilarious)

what do we mean by fields though?

I've never poked close reasons much

unless you mean swapping it to a top level close reason

Catija

Nah. I'll... write an answer and you'll see. :)

Luuklag

1:44 PM

According to twitter Yaakov's sabaticall is off to a good start xD

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bottom's out?

Luuklag

Looks that way, not much use of a pan in this shape

Journeyman Geek

If its a crockpot, those are also specific to the cooker

never seen them 'loose' either

Rob

@JourneymanGeek That's fudging things a lot, as there's another half dozen; so far down they're grayed out.

Journeyman Geek

I guess I missed that :D

But yeah, that's still there;)

Oh wait

@Rob I was talking questions

Spevacus

1:51 PM

Gotta take one for the team every now and then.

Journeyman Geek

Answers are a whole another deal. I stand by every one I post where I'm not completely and utterly wrong, and even then, deleting is a cop out ;)

especially ones like that.

And that was the period where I think we were having to deal with problems in every way possible ;)

(though, there's a downvoted one I deleted and I don't rememeber why ._.)

@Catija I'll need a little while to digest your answer :D

and that feels like either a new question or an addentia to this one.

Catija

CrockPots come in two styles - some have a removable ceramic pot, some are built-in. The nicer ones have the removable pot because it means you can toss the whole thing in the fridge or even have two different crocks for the one heating element.

Rob

@JourneymanGeek OK, but searching this webpage shows your only usage of the letters "question" is in the comment to which this comment replies; but I don't doubt your intentions. :) --- That one got bombed when tensions were much higher.

JNat

@Catija her account type is employee, but the marker's not there for some reason...

Spevacus

Hit it with something hard.

Catija

2:03 PM

@JNat See HC - they're working on it - also relates to the absentee mod emails.

JNat

yup, saw it

Luuklag

@Luuklag see here @JNat

Always nice to be wondering who pinged you, when it turns out you were replying to your own message

Rob

UCCM - Undercover CM. You see CM, we do not.

Feeds

stackoverflow.blog/2021/03/26/…

rene

@Spevacus you need my wrench? I'm almost done with some JavaScript. You can hold it for a few minutes ...

Spevacus

2:14 PM

@rene Yeah pass it over. I'm working with ancient VB code and I think I'm at the scorched-Earth phase of fixing this particular problem...

user400654

crazy news day yesterday here locally, tornado, mudslide, flooding due to a failed dam,

Journeyman Geek

No frogs?

@Catija Oh we have slow cookers

our inner ceramic containers are... prettier ;)

I'll take a photo the next time ours is out. Its almost as old as I am

Catija

:D Cool - I wasn't sure since you said you hadn't seen them "loose" so I thought you meant that you didn't realize that some had removable ceramic pots.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija uhhh.... so... Yaakov's has a removable inner pot. had? now it has a bottom

@Catija I mean, I've never seen a 'spare' pot for sale

Catija

Oh, yeah, you can buy just the pot.

Journeyman Geek

2:25 PM

ah, that's what I meant.

Mithical

2:37 PM

Washing that thing is a pain.

It's heavy and the nature of the pot means things get burnt onto it.

Journeyman Geek

bot? Crockbot?

@Mithical my mom uses it for porridge and its generally never burnt

Mithical

We use it for cholent, which means leaving it on for 25+ hours straight :P

Journeyman Geek

that might do it

Catija

2:52 PM

Ooof. :( That's a long time.

Journeyman Geek

I wikied it - there's a reason for it

they throw it on before sabbath and they got a hot meal without breaking the rules :D

Catija

Yup. Can't turn on the crock pot but it can stay on. :)

JNat

3:06 PM

@Luuklag gone

Spevacus

"Starting a new backlog today" - Not so fast!

JNat

@Luuklag gone

heh

Rob

3:25 PM

The technicality, as I understand it (hey @Sha), is that "fire" can be "lit" and "maintained" at a fixed temperature, but a Crock-Pot probably can't be used as it isn't permanently "on" at a moderate temperature but instead turns itself on and off; you would need to heat the food and then unplug it, hoping that it's warm enough to enjoy. Sources: dailyhalacha.com/m/halacha.aspx?id=821 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholent#History

Rob

4:03 PM

Advanced explanation: rabbikaganoff.com/using-a-thermos-on-shabbos%ef%bb%bf yeshiva.co/midrash/7555

Luuklag

@JNat where is the fun if there is no backlog ;)

Rob

4:32 PM

@Luuklag In the Suez Canal.

Spevacus

LOL

user400654

6:14 PM

🚽

user912062

@user400654
💩
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Luuklag

7:11 PM

@Rob Yeah that ought to be 6-8 weeks by now. Would probably be quicker to round the cape at this point.

Spevacus

@JNat Cross-site spammer stackexchange.com/users/21050411/james-stafford (maybe I'll start the backlog this time?)

Rob

7:32 PM

Found a publicly available satellite image, of excellent quality:

user400654

couldn't they just go straight instead of turning into the wall

Spevacus

Well yes but that would mean that nothing interesting happens.

Rob

7:48 PM

@Luuklag They have turned vessels from the same shipping line, so that foretells that it's going to be a while getting uncorked. If you're already stuck a few hundred miles away you're kind of committed, but if you're a long way off then rerouting is easy enough; you have to make the correct decision in the case of perishables or dangerous cargo that may not survive a storm at the Horn.

@user400654 Oh, they did much more than that; I was leaving that for our member @Shadow to point out, the finer points.

There's a few new sayings, which I will not repeat here.

Rob

8:12 PM

Catija

Three can fit across... that should be plenty of space. :P

Nai54

It's crazy how big that ship is. It seems like they would send a large rescue crew (or whatever you call tugboats+other machinery) to get it out ASAP.

But all they sent was one tiny bulldozer....

Nai54

8:29 PM

I even saw this:

Rob

8:47 PM

@Nai54 All they need is Matrawi and a spoon.

Feeds

10:33 PM

Although regardless of how everything else shakes out, I definitely won't mind if the norm "wear a mask if you're feeling sick" sticks around after this.

rene

11:00 PM

Happy!

Nai54

11:18 PM

@Rob That's right! They should send him right now! I will call the corporate owners of Ever Given this instant to point out their mistake in not inviting him. (just kidding, but still... lol)

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