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Quick question, does anyone know where to find the policies on multiple accounts?
Q: How should sockpuppets be handled on Stack Exchange?

user1228A high-reputation, highly-active user has already been dinged once for a sockpuppet, and I just dinged him again. He probably has another sockpuppet as well. What are the guidelines for handling users who game the system in this fashion? Specifically, How can I be sure I'm looking at a sockpu...

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8:23 AM
In the hamburger menu, the link to chat now includes a ?tab=site&host=meta.stackexchange.com. I can't remember if that was ever the case. Chat here doesn't have a site tab either. Is that a regression?
It does make sense for chat.se
8:56 AM
@rene I do know it's been like that for at least a while on chat.se, so it wouldn't surprise me if it was always like that here too...
IPS chat link has gone to host=interpersonal.stackexchange.com for as long as I can remember.
Maybe I'm just getting old and can't remember what things looked liked yesterday ...
On the plus side: Everyday is a new experience.
As long as you leave it at that...
Sure. Remind me tomorrow I said that ...
9:23 AM
You said that
9:35 AM
@rene I don't recall it being that way a couple of weeks ago, it simply took you to the main page of one of the three chat servers; depending on where you came from. Q#2: We do have a "Site" tab if you come to our chat server from another chat server, using the 'site switcher' (image below). Q#3: It's a bug because switching to our meta's chat main page shows SEDE's room as the only one available (here
(The Tavern) isn't listed). Q#4: There's seems to be an unfinished redesign underway.
@Rob but that is because you are on a different chat server. Chat.so, chat.mse and chat.se are not the same ad have different rooms, they are not synced or so.
"but that", which word or sentence does "that" refer to?
to point 3, the bug part.
I've posted a message in both SEDE rooms as a demonstration: mse, se
Maybe it had been more fun if the message were identical ...
Link from Meta's hamburger: https://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/?tab=site&host=meta.stackexchange.com
Link from switcher': https://chat.stackexchange.com/?tab=site&sort=active&host=meta.stackexchange.com
/chat.meta.stackexchange.com/ !== /chat.stackexchange.com/
Notice the meta ... it is complicated / confusing.
9:46 AM
I see it now, but that's where the switcher takes you (from Stack Overflow's hamburger's chat's switcher) when you switch to Meta.
Indeed, the other sites take you to the wrong chat server:
Well, I think it always worked that way. The site switcher shows you rooms on that chatsterver chat.stackexchange.com which are associated with SO or associated with Meta Stack Exchange.
But it does not take you to the other chatservers - chat.stackoverflow.com, chat.meta.stackexchange.com.
BTW it does not make any difference whether you choose main site or meta site for some Stack Exchange site - the same rooms are shown. This was changed in 2016 before these two types of rooms were shown separately. (E.g., there was one list of rooms where the parent site is Mathematics and another one for Mathematics Meta. Now they are both in the same list.)
10:22 AM
@Martin Following your link "changed in 2016", then M.A.R.'s link in his question "This room" goes to a simple URL: chat.stackexchange.com (which takes me to the last site I switched to using the picker (Marc♦️'s word, or Switcher; what we've been calling it). That actual last site I went to directly was different, so either the server remembers or I had a cookie that
used the simple URL to take me to a specific site tab.
The picker ought to recognize MSE as a different server from all the other per-site-meta chat servers.
I guess the "simple url" takes me to the last thing which I used. That might be the tab "favorite" or the tab "site".
@Rob But then it would not be possible to use the switcher to get to rooms on this chatserver associated with Meta Stack Exchange (or Stack Overflow).
Of course, I do not know whether it was an intentional designe choice, that it is possible to make Meta Stack Exchange a parent site also on chat.stackexchange.com.
@Martin Yes, that's what is being complained about in Q3.
Ok, so I will add that I do not see Q3 as a bug. (But that should be clear from my previous messages.)
The last site I visited directly, from the Hamburger, is Space.SE. But the last site I visited from the Switcher was Physics.SE, and the simple URL takes me there (to Physics, instead of Space; the actual last visited):
For me chat.stackexchange.com almost always goes to favorite rooms - since that's the tab which I use most of the time.
10:32 AM
@Martin Well, I think it's a bug because we can't get to The Tavern; others may well see that as a Feature (benefit).
Back in 15 minutes.
But if you "correct" the bug in the way you describe, then you would not be able to get to this room - it is now the only room on chat.stackexchange.com associated with meta.
The questions is whether it was good decision to have three different chatservers and to allow SO and MSE as parent sites on chat.stackexchange.com.
I would hope that people who decided to do it this way had some reasons for doing that. (Being just an average users, there might be many details in the background I am completely unaware of.)
Table headers are now mixed case rather than uppercase
10:49 AM
I see @rene escaped this conversation almost an hour ago ...
real life is happening
Understood, here too; just checking back for a second.
@Martin Yes, SEDE'S lone room should probably be moved over here with us on MSE's chat server (since we take their Q&As, usually): chat.meta.stackexchange.com
@Martin There is 'room at the Inn'.
@Martin Originally, the plan was to have separate chat servers for all sites in the network. But that didn't pan out because those individual chat servers had very little traffic each, unlike SO's server which had tons of traffic by comparison. So it was decided to merge all the non-SO servers into a single one. That combined server had the same amount of overall traffic as SO's one.
I'm not sure if it's still the case today, but it still remained the case for many years later.
Meta.SE has its own server for two reasons: first, because this server houses some SE-internal chat rooms which contain content that need to be separated from normal moderators (who have mod access on chat.SE but not here), and second, so the team can test changes to chat here on this low-traffic server before rolling them out to the much larger chat.SO and chat.SE servers.
@rene Interrupted too many times by people smelling you? ;)
11:12 AM
@rene Mine might start happening soon too... it's almost time for lunch :P
@Rob I am not sure which room you mean by "room at the Inn".
The link prior to that line, as rene mentioned there's a duplicity.
@Rob I am not sure whether that is technically possible. But I recall that when I created the room on chat.meta.stackexchange, some people said that old room is worth keeping for several reasons: !. They primarily use chat.stackexchange.com, so they would not notice new activity on another chatserver. 2. Newbies might not even know how to use chat.meta.stackexchange.com.
Having said that, the old SEDE room is dead silent most of the time.
that ^
I still don't see any room called "room at the Inn". Maybe I completely misunderstood what you're trying to say.
11:21 AM
@Rob at 10:45 CET it is a fixed ritual including coffee, vitamin shot (apple), stand-up, other phone calls. That keeps me busy.
Also, "Inn" and "Tavern" are used interchangeably in English; "room (space available) at the Inn'" is a popular expression.
A tavern is a place of business where people gather to drink alcoholic beverages and be served food, and (historically) where travelers would receive lodging. An inn is a tavern that has a license to put up guests as lodgers. The word derives from the Latin taberna whose original meaning was a shed, workshop, stall, or pub. Over time, the words "tavern" and "inn" became interchangeable and synonymous. In England, inns started to be referred to as public houses or pubs and the term became standard for all drinking houses. == Australia == "Wowser" was a negative term for Christian moralists...
If by duplicity you mean that there are two rooms devoted to SEDE, that is intentional.
So "Room at the Inn" is just a different name for Tavern on the Meta?
If that's what you meant, I don't see why you mentioned that in reply to that specific message. (Or maybe you meant the message before?)
@rene rene doing standup; a packed house.
Tavern on Meta is on the chatsever chat.meta.stackexchange.com - and it is not among the rooms on chat.stackexchange.com which have meta as their parent site.
We are well off-track; and with that I'm bowing out.
11:39 AM
room topic changed to Tavern on the Inn
12:09 PM
room topic changed to Tavern Inn the Meta: MY GOD, IT'S FULL OF STARS AND BACKLOG! General friendly chit-chat; general discussions about MSE or the wider network also welcome. [bug] [crickets] [discussion] [excuses] [support] [waffles]
12:24 PM
All in favor?
Um.. Isn't a Tavern a kind of Inn anyway? It's like calling something the Bar Pub. Or my I missing something.
Oh, you covered this. Didn't scroll up.
I just liked the wordplay... but it's probably confusing if you're not aware this room used to be called 'Tavern on the Meta' ;)
@Tinkeringbell Ye Olde Cupcake Shoppe
or "The Prancing Pony". Totally because Lord of the Ring, not because ponies, trust me.
12:42 PM
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе +1
1:21 PM
Q: Why was this closed and then re-opened without adjustments and why some comments left and other removed?

President Bernie SandersI'm curious why a mod closed this question Time to reconsider the secret ballot methodology? and turned right back around and re-opened it without any edits? The comment was "Not suitable for this site" during that closure. I'm also curious to know if this is something normal or if any other mods...

Am I allowed to put link here for others to see in case they can elaborate for me?
On the post of course but FYI for here I suppose, just in case.
Well... you can certainly try.
@PimpJuiceIT it is unlikely we are going to resolve local site policy here first before anyone responded on your meta question. We'll first wait what the mod has to say.
1:50 PM
I imagine that the simplest answer is is the answer. The moderator either pressed the wrong button or changed their mind shortly after taking the action.
2:04 PM
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3:20 PM
@user400654 Lid down please.
Gone :)
@rene I flagged, which is all I can do.
@Snow Lid isn't much a problem here, the seat has to be down though! :P
@Snow interesting, Apple decided to do exactly that, since iOS 10.2
3:26 PM
@Tinkeringbell We have dogs, we really don't want them drinking from the wrong bowl.
@Snow Oh... your dogs know how to open doors? ;)
Or... and I hate to think this... isn't there a door?
@Tinkeringbell We don't keep all of the bathroom doors closed all the time - like to have a through-flow of air through the house.
my web extension does that some times
3:29 PM
@user400654 copy images?
@Snow O.o... I really can't imagine that XD
it has drag&drop image support for so/se chat
I've seen weirder extension, see "hammertime". @user400654
so if i drop an image here, it uploads it to i.stack and submits it
3:30 PM
(I mean I can imagine liking to have some fresh air flow through the house, just not leaving the toilet doors open to achieve such)
also works on paste
@user400654 and also for images posted by others?
i have no idea which of the two actions i performed
Or did it somehow catch my own paste?
i opened it in a new tab with middle click, when i came back it posted here
3:31 PM
Middle click is nasty
I rarely use it.
all the time
I have five buttons on my mouse - I still only ever use two of them.
@Tinkeringbell toilets always have windows outside, or at least to some central air shaft of the building, so it makes sense to use that as source for fresh air. :)
@Snow what does the red button do?
Activating "Nuke Them All" command? :P
@Shadow10YearsWizard Turns off the OASIS.
@Shadow10YearsWizard Actually, most of the ones I know don't have windows...
3:37 PM
@Snow oh, not that bad.
@Tinkeringbell no windows in toilets?? There must be a rule against that.... ;)
How air should be refreshed in the toilets then?
@Shadow10YearsWizard We have a vent to get rid of smells, like we have one in the shower to get rid of steam
@Shadow10YearsWizard will give you a Christmas gift for once. Cherish this exception I'm doing.
And as the door isn't sealed like a vacuum, it allows for air to go in when the vent sucks air out.
@Tinkeringbell vent as in the wall/ceiling? This can be considered as window. No? :)
3:42 PM
@Tinkeringbell You live in an apartment or aa house?
@Shadow10YearsWizard Ceiling yes, and I don't consider it a window :)
@Snow Right now, a house. I will get an apartment though with a similar layout ;)
@Tinkeringbell it circulates the air... good enough... :D
Not the kind of jokes I like usually, so be happy I thought of linking you that video @Shadow10YearsWizard. Watch the character in that game, there is one you will probably like.
Finally you will be able to use your beloved Toilet in a game.
Hmm. Most houses here in the UK, the bathrooms/cloakrooms have a window that can be opened.
Some older houses here still have a toilet with a small window. But most don't. The shower/bathrooms do have a window :)
(Unless you're in an apartment)
3:46 PM
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе blue pile of poo? Thanks! :-D
@Snow exactly! Here too. :)
House smell of sufganyot, wife and kids made some.
@Shadow10YearsWizard there is also a pink one if I am not mistaken... so probably both came from Dragonball world (because remember, Dragonball world is actually Dr Slump&Arale world too by canon)
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе nice
Anyway, here you have a weird piece of trivia you can use in the den to impress people with the only game where you can actually play as a toilet.
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе yeah it's really rare for games to have any hint of toilets. :(
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе nah, Den has the real thing, Kenny. :D
Game with a toilet. I remember this one well.
3:53 PM
I've only found one toilet in cyberpunk 2077
err, 3
Last of Us has loads of toilets. And other games have flushable ones.
Unheard is realistic in that regard
2 in the introduction sequence
@Shadow10YearsWizard I thought you already have good air circulation and a view, without a window:
Jul 2 at 19:24, by Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask
user image
Lowering the tone some more: Only the English have a Groom of the Stool....
The Groom of the Stool (formally styled: "Groom of the King's Close Stool") was the most intimate of an English monarch's courtiers, responsible for assisting the king in excretion and ablution. The physical intimacy of the role naturally led to his becoming a man in whom much confidence was placed by his royal master and with whom many royal secrets were shared as a matter of course. This secret information—while it would never have been revealed, for it would have led to the discredit of his honour—in turn led to his becoming feared and respected and therefore powerful within the royal court...
4:03 PM
I would've hated being a king. I can do that myself, thanks very much!
@Snow can't see how the way a man poop can be "discredit of his honour", but yeah, that's something we won't have these days...
@Rob I wish, but alas! Not my toilets. :(
Closest I had were during army, in several places we had a hole in the ground as toilets. (very wide, several meters, so few people could use it in the same time.)
@Shadow10YearsWizard No, that's not really the case here. The implication is that the Groom of the Stool (being always close to the King) would be privy to intimate and personal Royal discourse that could not be shared.
@Snow There are worse (better?, not) jobs. Did you see the movie: The Last Emperor
@Snow what Royal discourse?
@Snow never seen it before. Nice, but could you also use those toilets? Or are they just for decoration?
@user400654 nice! With buttons?
@Shadow10YearsWizard It's "Manic Miner", and old 8-bit platform game. The toilets are enemies.
4:16 PM
@Snow they shoot turds at you? :D
@Shadow10YearsWizard Nah. they just move left and right.
Toilets are used as savepoints in No More Heroes.
Change of subject... that's what my wife and two of the kids made while I was chatting here:
I'm still amazed at how games used to be coded in 48K
4:20 PM
I'm amazed @Νеvеrꭑoꭇе joined our discussion instead of trying to change it. :-)
@Shadow10YearsWizard didn't try the two in the intro, but the one in my apartment flushes
@user400654 Spoiler there's an Easter Egg there.
4:39 PM
@user400654 neat. Automatically?
@Shadow10YearsWizard Boiled onions? Or... something else... possibly originating from the monkey chefs?
no, you have to activate it
iirc it was more of a bucket with a seat on it, so no idea what activating it actually means
@Shadow10YearsWizard As I said, consider it a Christmas present. I just shared with you some random trivia I happened to stumble upon and I realized you may like.
Like I said, not my kind of jokes, but at least you liked them.
@Rob related:
Q: What were the sea shells for in Demolition Man?

JaredThe three shells used in the toilets even confused poor ol' Sylvester, how were they used?

@Ollie boiled dough. No onion was harmed.
@Shadow10YearsWizard Blergh.
4:44 PM
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе Appreciated! Very nice gift. :)
@Ollie it's tasty if eaten with something else, e.g. with cheese.
@Shadow10YearsWizard Do you bake the dough in addition to boiling?
@Shadow10YearsWizard Notice that I never played that Taito game, only heard about it because it was included in a Taito games collection years ago.
That said, the collection itself wasn't very noteworthy in the first place.
But at least it had Rainbow Island.
@user400654 well flushing this can only mean taking the bucket and spilling the content somewhere. Maybe using it as projectile weapon?
it has plumbing
So it's not a bucket. ;)
4:48 PM
i mean
@Ollie nope
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе well nice that you remember!
@user400654 what?
if you take a bucket. put a hole in the bottom a seat on top and some plumbing to insert water, it's still a bucket
@Shadow10YearsWizard To be fair, I only did because AVGN mentioned it recently. While his jokes are a tad too uncouth for me, I do check his videos to see the really horrid games he manages to find at times.
@coburne Yes, recycle. — Möoz Apr 29 '15 at 1:35
Some of them are well worth researching about, full of memes.
5:00 PM
@Shadow10YearsWizard Use them as Shurikens.
@user400654 oh, just insert into the bucket? Yeah, just a bucket. Thought you meant it also connected to some pipes and you can flush it through those pipes.
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе AV who?
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе examples?
@Shadow10YearsWizard Angry Video Game Nerd. A video maker famous for doing "Angry" reviews of old bad videogames.
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе oh. Sounds promising indeed.
@Rob this requires putting them in your pocket first. Smell will stick, and expose your location to your enemies. So, not good.
Wait... think I posted my own answer on same question on other site...
A: How did the "three seashells" work in Demolition Man?

Shadow Wizard is Ear For YouAt December 2014, Daniel Waters (one of the screenplay writers of the movie) was asked about the seashells in Demolition Man and gave a decent reply: (warning: graphic language used!) "There's a scene where Stallone has to use a restroom. I'm trying to come up with futuristic things you'd fin...

Knew it's familiar in more than one way. My only answer on SF&F.SE and I'm proud of it. :D
@Shadow10YearsWizard You probably will find his jokes far more amusing than me. But I recognize he is a good source of info about bad games too.
@Shadow10YearsWizard That's why there's three, the dirty one is sealed within the two outer shells; like a sabot shell.
5:12 PM
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе classics too, e.g. Alley Cat?
@Shadow10YearsWizard alley cat wasn't bad.
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе oh. Fair point. :)
@Shadow10YearsWizard primitive by today standard, a little floaty controls but.... it was fun for the little it had to offer.
he reviews things like the horrid Dragon's Lair nes game.
@Rob but all three appear to be same size, so you can't just seal one inside two others. Just wrapping it both sides won't keep the smell from getting out.
@Shadow10YearsWizard Lair.
originally, it was an arcade Laser Game (maybe even the first one in the genre)
5:19 PM
> "The writer has a friend who had (maybe still have) a bag of seashells on his toilet as a decoration."
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе oh, and it's really bad?
@Shadow10YearsWizard You know those games that are basically a movie and then you get to press a key to decide what the character does in an event? Usually with a timer too if you aren't fast enough?
throwing blue sea shells on @Ollie
@Shadow10YearsWizard *throws a green monkey on @Shadow*
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе yup
5:21 PM
As limited as those games are, the arcade version still managed to get many fans, and even had a tv show too.
@Rob yes, that's part of my answer. What about it?
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе so can't really be considered as bad... can it?
@Ollie eww you should wash him first!
@Shadow10YearsWizard THIS is the original one.
Link - since you know, the video maker HAD to use that preview
@Shadow10YearsWizard Dear me, I forgot.
@Ollie I know. The smell is easy to detect.
@Shadow10YearsWizard Now, back to your question, he didn't talk about the original version. He was talking about the NES version.
5:27 PM
Oh, OK.
this one
turned in a platform game, was quite bad. Not only pretty short, had also quite bad controls.
And artificial difficulty, since many times the monster would spaw very close to you and you basically had to memorize their position.
@Shadow10YearsWizard Shadow's shells work on a different principle:
6:07 PM
..... just warning you guys, get ready.
If Arqade questions can go to HNQ list, I foresee a fire bigger than anything @Tinkeringbell friends at Interpersonal managed in the past.
@Tinkeringbell here
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе I've... read rumours about penises clipping through pants... perhaps that's because people picked too big ones? :P
is this derpy
6:10 PM
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе How is that uncouth? I used the biological word!
anyway, I hope that question don't causes rants.
@Tinkeringbell from what i understood, in some cases they didn't pick one at all
Keep an eye open, just in case someone starts a tantrum.
@user400654 And it still clipped through? Ouch!
evening everyone
6:13 PM
Hey mag!
Itsa me
How are you?
pretty good
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7:51 PM
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе Grrrrraaaaahhhhggghhhh!!!!!
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10:09 PM
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе Title is fixed, without tantrums it seems ;)
I have a question:
Why is the "You're no longer following this answer" banner shown in English on SO in Portuguese?
Perhaps that string isn't translated properly yet?
I don't have a Transifex account...
...don't I have a transifex account?
I don't spend a lot of time on SO in any language; I only noticed it when I mis-clicked the follow button on a piece of questionable piece of spam, which I will conveniently link here.
10:19 PM
10:53 PM
I have a question:
How hard would it be really, to bring dark mode to the other SE sites?
From what I remember from other dev responses to the same issue... More difficult than it seems.
Consider that the SO per-site metas haven't gotten dark mode yet.
Well... perhaps that's a weak argument. Far less people visit the per-site meta on SO than, for example, Super User or another network site.
All the same, not easy I guess.
Yes. The different-language versions of SO have it too.
@Ollie It's additional design work, and the other sites don't bring in (lots of) money

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