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Rob
1:33 AM
@NordineLotfi Haven't heard of which company? - 1G uses a few different standards, NMT among them. The company SkyLink only operates in Russia. The other companies mentioned in the link are: Nokia (then Mobira), Ericsson, Storno (then owned by General Electric, later taken over by Motorola) and AP (later taken over by Philips) - I'm guessing that you've heard of those.
 
2:38 AM
@202324 feels at this point like it would be pointless. There's now an official response from someone in the loop for how the hires happen, and a solid timeline about something Short of the actual job ads, and hiring, which are apparently coming within the next 18 months (3 to 6 timesters? :D ) I think my goals - of getting visibility and a response to the question are met.
 
3:29 AM
:(
 
3:43 AM
Well... it's not completed; the CM listings aren't up yet.
 
It's also not something that should have a status-completed tag regardless.
We don't status-complete discussions and it's not really a bug.
 
yes :D
the status-review was off label too but nice to have :D
 
3:59 AM
Well, it should have been a support question, then the status-review would have been fine but it still wouldn't need status-complete.
Anyway, the status-review tag now is really just a way to get it pulled into Jira and assigned to someone.
 
4:12 AM
Removing the tag doesn't auto-remove it from Jira, does it?
 
4:25 AM
No
 
@SonictheMaskedWerehog and well - tbh, its at a slightly higher and sideways place from where I suspect it would be handlable in a ticketing system :D
@Catija maybe, but ugh, tagging is my least favourite part of the SE experience cause I never have any idea what to do :D
 
It's easier the more you do it - like most things. I asked a question earlier on Bricks (for the first time) and I was utterly clueless about what I should tag it. :/
 
Can also happen if you participated in a site in the past, but forgot completely about it. As an example, I asked a question on Android Enthusiasts five years after my last question there, and I didn't know which tags to use either (the tag I wanted to use didn't exist so that made the situation worse).
 
 
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5:41 AM
@Catija I guess you could add something to Jira by adding the tag, then removing it during the grace period. Can that be done, or is it a scheduled task that adds them?
 
Can, yes... generally isn't, though. We like it being visible what we're looking at.
 
@SonictheMaskedWerehog only that uhhhh. Why would we unless we actually wanted them to review it? :D
 
6:14 AM
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 18 hours ago, by Robert Columbia
Sonic the Chatting Hedgehog
Sonic the High Quality Post-hog
Sonic the Supplement Spam-hog
Sonic the Flagged Newb-hog
Sonic the Moderating Ban-hog
Interesting...

Trying to find the Sonics

18 hours ago, 40 minutes total – 59 messages, 6 users, 1 star

Bookmarked 5 secs ago by gparyani

 
6:25 AM
@JourneymanGeek you can answer that
 
Uhhh no?
I don't work here.
If I did I would neither need to ask nor be able to answer
 
 
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7:50 AM
@JourneymanGeek RE your recent tag: thanks for adding that, that was one thing I brought up in my February interview with Lisa
 
@SonictheMaskedWerehog It was flagged and its in the current list
Credit probably belongs to the flagger
 
 
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8:58 AM
@NordineLotfi sure, in Israel too. /cc @Rob :)
@Ollie D:
@SonictheMaskedWerehog :D
We need to change more often. ;)
 
Rob
9:11 AM
@ShadowWizardWearingMask Putting the card in your phone and pushing the button takes maybe 20 seconds, it works instantly.
 
9:26 AM
Is SO relativly slow today? I get the Head but it takes 5-6 second to get page body.
 
@DragandDrop for me it is okay, no lag on Q/A pages
user profiles are a tad slower but still under 2 seconds for me
 
in case anyone was interested.
@SonictheMaskedWerehog No Sonic the Amy's Special-hog?
 
Arg Im getting the 128Kb/s experience. F12 performance tell me 22,66 second of Html analyse on a random question.. But only on a up to date Edge.

I love the only edge for security purpose policy.
Swapping to VM.
 
@DragandDrop are you on a dial-up line with an acoustic modem?
 
9:50 AM
@SonictheMaskedWerehog gone
@SonictheMaskedWerehog gone
@SonictheMaskedWerehog not quite a spammer, so I'll leave that one alone for now
@JourneymanGeek gone
@SonictheMaskedWerehog gone
@SonictheMaskedWerehog gone
@JourneymanGeek gone
@SonictheMaskedWerehog gone
@JourneymanGeek gone
@Mast gone, since they actually had posted on AskUbuntu with spam. Otherwise, generally speaking, if it's just their 'about me' that has promotional content, it should be fine (again, generally speaking... it kinda depends on the contents, for instance)
and with that, my spam tabs are gone
 
, Yes but sadly I have no Opera concerto version to share.
Speaking of Opera, it's slow in the VM using Opera too.
Sended a message to my network guy.
Btw did any of you downloaded(taped) game using radio? And remember waking at 3 am many days trying to not miss it.
 
10:11 AM
Yeah, I think I did that once. I wasn't impressed and it wasn't well suited for the MSX I used back then.
 
I'm just old enough for floppies :D
 
10:37 AM
@JourneymanGeek Interesting, I recently asked a floppy drive question on U&L
@rene I just replaced the modem card in my computer with a Wi-Fi card. Good to finally move along with the times.
 
lol
 
in Root Access on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, yesterday, by gparyani
Am upgrading my old 1999 computer to run on modern parts. Upgraded the RAM from factory 96 MB to 384 MB, replaced old 10 GB HDD with M.2 SSD and PATA converter, installed an Nvidia GeForce FX 5600 to replace the Riva 128, replaced the modem card with a Wi-Fi card, and upgraded the PSU from 70 W to 420 W.
 
11:10 AM
@JNat Thanks!
 
@SonictheMaskedWerehog Post 1: Already recently reported [ MS ]
 
11:46 AM
Classic stalling of time. I'll be quiet about it for now, but if anything will really be done in less than a year I'll be really really really surprised. </rant> </going-to-relax> <coffee-is-needed>
!!/coffee
 
@ShadowWizardWearingMask brews a cup of Latte for @ShadowWizardWearingMask
 
Thanks, feeling better now. :)
 
11:57 AM
!!/mask
 
@MetaAndrewT. No such command 'mask'.
 
!!/coffee mask
 
@Mast brews a cup of jQuery for @mask
 
wow, jQuery. Lucky...
 
grmbl too much focus on a job description has never helped *grmbl
@MetaAndrewT. You should totally drop masks and use jQuery instead.
runs
 
12:00 PM
@Mast hmm. jQuery
 
The joke is getting a bit out of date now we have 200+ JS frameworks, isn't it?
 
Ryan Donovan on September 16, 2020
The next big revolution in coding practice might be closer than we think, and it involves helping computers to code themselves. By utilizing natural language processing and neural networks, some researchers think that within a few years we can remove humans entirely from the coding process. If you work as a coder, you’ll be glad to hear that they are wrong.
 
@Feeds Computers are still stupid I for one welcome our new robot overlords.
 
@Mast they'd just primarily automate scraping and asking questions on SO anyway
 
ugh, now I'm imagining many AI that post legit questions on SE and other AI that post legit answers on them
 
12:07 PM
@JourneymanGeek If the first serious attempts at world domination run on code primarily scraped from Stack Overflow, I'm sure we'll be fine.
 
(and then got suspended for sockpuppeting)
 
XKCD 810 :D
 
Is that the Mission. F'n. Accomplished. one?
A spam-fighter's dream.
 
!xkcd 810
 
12:08 PM
oh forgot, that bot is no longer exist...
 
Do they still onebox?
Hah.
 
yes
lol
I didn't onebox it on purpose
 
Oh, sorry.
 
its ok
want me to de-onebox? :D
 
5 minutes is a really long time if you've had enough coffee.
 
 
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mag
1:16 PM
@JourneymanGeek canine overlord cm when?
 
1:29 PM
:D
@ShadowWizardWearingMask I didn't lose
 
1:49 PM
@mag lol. They need to put up the job, I need to apply then see if I get it lol
 
@Catija can I borrow you again? there's a problem user cross-site now that needs CM targeting and handling
 
@ThomasWard on a walk with Gus. Is it super urgent or can it wait an hour?
 
mag
2:07 PM
@JourneymanGeek canine overlord cm when
:D
 
😁
I wish I knew 🤣🤣🤣
 
mag
I hope you know if you apply for and get that job I will put a celebratory couple hundred serial voting tickets for you on
:D
 
Or if . I did apply twice already
 
I'll be going now
 
mag
2:10 PM
Yvette laughted the same way when she was running for SO mod
She wasn't laughing when there were 300 pending custom flags
well, she was, but that line sounded better that way in my head
 
@Catija it can wait an hour unless you want a whiny person to be cross-posting their complaints about being chat-banned for being disruptive with mod flags hitting them, and then cross-posting ot AU because the system imposed a year long chat ban because they're banned on their parent site (not Ask Ubuntu)
their thread just got mod-locked on AU Meta because their comments aren't helping things and they've been told to talk to staff via "Contact" if they feel wronged by mods
(and if they post another thread on AU they're gonna get sniped)
@Catija i'd have given details in the secret rooms but ERR:NoAccess
(something about chat doesn't like me today)
see the inactive TL for details, I gave you a superping there along with the math mods for a relevant link
 
rule #0 of moderation: everything can wait
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mag
Hey art
long time no see
 
@Ollie Oh boy.
 
o/
 
mag
2:18 PM
How's it going?
 
@mag tbh I am kinda losing my patience over the whole thing so I ended up deciding to gently remind them.
 
mag
our office dog uses tactical headbutts when he is impatient
 
does he wear a mask
 
mag
no, he is a dog
 
@mag ash tends to go for the back of the leg 🤣
 
mag
2:24 PM
This morning one coworker was back from vacation and the office dog obviously missed him so he got charged with maximum speed into a jump
 
Lol
There's a new schnauzer pup in the neighborhood
She is tiny and is high pitched, loud and wants to make friends with everyone
 
mag
see our office dog is entirely mute
well not entirely I have seen him bark and also squeak in excitement when seeing other dogs but it's incredibly rare
the one new employee he got agressive against is no longer working here
 
3:06 PM
Dogs are good judges of character :)
 
Must be why we have so many dog mods
 
Hi, I wanted to chat about very general, basic questions to follow up on this MSO (not MSE) question: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/401119 . Can I chat here, or do you recommend some other chat room? I could not find any appropriate chat rooms on SO: chat.stackoverflow.com . Thank you for the help!
 

 The Meta Room

General chat & hangout for Stack Overflow, including Meta disc...
although you may not find anyone there
 
On SO there's "The Meta Room", though depending on what you're asking, here might be better
general questions that apply to all sites vs something specific to so
 
3:25 PM
Thank you! I check The Meta Room, no one there (IIUC). Yes, my questions are about a general way to go about re-tagging, etc, and will be useful on other SE sites where I am active, not just on SO. So...
My questions are about this thread: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/401119 . What should I do next about implementing the retagging changes proposed in the highly upvoted single answer and accepted by me?
 
Wait for a mod to get to it.
 
Should I flag my question for moderator attention (who can change the tags)? Or do I need to post a separate question, in which I reference this thread, and tag this new question: [feature-request], [tags], [retag-request] ?
 
Here is the deal
there is a huge backlog of tag related requests on Meta
while you can try to bring yours in front of the eyes of a mod sooner that will at least push other items back in the queue.
It is relatively fresh so this is what I suggest:
Wait for october, ask a mod to feature it so it gets advertized on SO main.
That will attract maybe some more votes / opnions.
Once it loses its featured status you raise a new mod flag and ask for the accepted answer to carried out.
You could in the mean time do a clean-up of the tags involved so that once the mods take it on they don't have to worry about the mess
If you need help / support / want to keep track of your clean-up you could post a so called tracking answer as community wiki
The tracking answer would go under your current post Much like it is described here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/324070
This is the end of my monologue ...
 
@rene Thank you so much for the help and explanation! This sounds like a good plan to me. BTW, that retagging thread is not urgent, so I definitely do not want to push it to the front of others for the mods.
Yes, I can and will do the clean up of the tags myself. BTW, what happens in October - some event, or just the expected end of the huge backlog?
 
I didn't want to say 6 to 8 weeks this time so I reckoned offering next month would be enough to not give the impression to mods you want to rush this thing ...
Let's settle for: give it a bit more time ...
If I were a mod and get a flag on that one I would decline as I doubt it has gotten enough exposure / time to settle yet. But that is just my opinion.
Also worth mentioning that mods are not subject matter experts. So if they get a tag merge / burn /synonym they have to rely on the community members to get it right. And I'm sure they don't want to click buttons only to find out two hours later that they removed the PHP tag from Stack Overflow ....
 
3:45 PM
@rene Got it. Your explanations are very useful! :)
@rene One final question. OK to create [vcf-variant-call-format] new tag now, and apply it to untagged questions, or give it more time? I have enough rep to suggest the new tag and suggest tag info/wiki, and to edit questions (these would be within my circle of competence as a bioinformatician). This way, everyone will get a more clear idea of how useful it is, and where it is all going in 6-8 weeks.
 
@TimurShtatland creating the tag seems fine to me. I would still track that action in an answer. If you suggest excerpt and wiki make sure you don't plagiarize it and that you describe when the tag should be applied (for which type of questions / which topics etc). see: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/214337/…
My obsession for keeping a public record is because I want to be public accountable for my actions. And the records of that better be readily available. But again, that is just me.
 
@Rob Yeah, heard of those :D thought that NMT was the actual name of an isp/phone company...reread the wiki page and your post, make more sense now.
 
@rene Great! I agree with your suggestions, they all make sense. Thank you so much for the time you took to explain all of this!!!
 
4:03 PM
No problem.
 
4:47 PM
gime moar good rene stuff for rwwarding good answers
only one missing
 
curious, but who actually answered the most questions on SE/SO?
 
@NordineLotfi SO Jon Skeet with 35,092 answers has the most rep, but Gordon Linoff has answered 72,750 and is expected to possibly overtake Jon in rep at some point.
Gordon has earned twice as much rep as Jon this year and is catching up on overall rep ...
 
5:21 PM
@DavidPostill Interesting! Any link where those stats can be seen? So i can follow the changes later on :D
 
@DavidPostill Thanks! Was easier to find than i thought.
 
@NordineLotfi here is a networkwide SEDE query: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1295190 so that is for one user their answer count across all sites.
 
5:42 PM
@rene Thanks :D
:8558103 first time i see a removed message from SmokeDetector hmm
 
Rob
@DavidPostill That Linoff will overtake Skeet is a virtual certainty. While both earn well over 200/day Jon is on a downward curve while Gordon is increasing:
 
@NordineLotfi pretty common
 
Rob
 
@Rob cool graph :o
@ArtOfCode Gotcha!
 
November 2023 is the estimate: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/400528/578411
 
5:51 PM
@rene Hehe. I'm happy to be #661 :)
 
Rob
But, the person who answered that question also thinks that both are capped at 20 upvotes per day (and later comments predict sooner than 2023, which would be my guess too):
@10Rep Yes...the only way it would take Gordon until 2 million to pass Jon would be if the latter becomes very active again at some point in the next 3 years, to "hold off" the former from passing. Note also at this point that both Gordon and Jon probably cap off their daily rep of 20 upvotes without having to answer many questions. They are both out for green checkmarks only at this point. — Tim Biegeleisen Aug 21 at 2:34
 
fair
 
Rob
Note: Gordon gets ~400 (and increasing) while Jon gets ~200 (and decreasing) - We need a rene SEDE :)
 
I predict 6 - 8 November 2023, a bit like I did here.
 
Rob
^^ Links to:
Atwood: uh no, I er… That's just sort of… off the top of my head.

Spolsky: [laughs] Well okay, you're doomed Jeff. There's some controversy. You, sir, are doomed, because you don't know what things you have to do.

Atwood: Yes. I know, I know.
 
6:02 PM
@Rob the amount of accepts for Gordon Linoff is insane
 
Rob
6:19 PM
> I will never match the leader Jon Skeet because who had a head start of many years. - Gordon Linoff, August 26 2014 - Man of ZERO Accepts.
 
there's an unending supply of garbage sql questions that doesn't show any sign of slowing
 
@Spevacus Haha.
 
@Ollie Congratulations, though. I think Shadow owes you... something? Maybe? I dunno.
@Sha Pay up! The lad's got 3k!
 
@Spevacus I think fifty points of bounty.
 
Ah, yes. Some good ol' fashioned rep laundering.
 
6:24 PM
@ShadowWizardWearingMask I won!
 
Are you sure it wasn't 500 rep points? ;)
 
@Spevacus I was being generous.
But Shadow does have 140-something K reputation.
Soo...
 
He places a fair few bounties for exceptional answers.
 
I only have one of those.
For now.
 
Bounties are fun
 
6:27 PM
@Mithical Only when you're getting them.
:D
 
bounties as rewards to good answers and such are good though, but that's rare xD
 
From a quick check, I've offered over 3k rep in bounties across 4 sites
 
Just 100 here.
@ShadowWizardWearingMask it's actually 3083 rep in 87 days, so less than three months ;)
Just.
 
Rob
@rene Has also has 880 pages of zero score or less answers.
 
150 total in bounties offered, never using that tool again
 
6:36 PM
It's great for rewarding existing answers. Not so great for getting new ones.
5
 
These two posts are perfect examples of that.
 
lol
@Ollie i think the link is autoremoved if it receives an 'f' within the 2 minute grace period or w/e it is for things
interesting that it still responded to "why" though xD
 
@Ollie [:8558233] You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
 
@Ollie i'm an admin with SmokeDetector and have been for a while ;) (also help run the infra so I kind of have implicit privileges in Smokey everywhere, at least in the main places it's in)
 
Ah.
 
6:52 PM
🚽
 
Rob
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7:06 PM
Did you know that spam is affected by pandemics
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?
 
That's honestly fascinating.
 
(the two green lines are the max/min peaks from before the pandemic)
low point in the pandemic is less than half of the min before pandemic
 
Is there a keyboard shortcut to run a code snippet in a question?
 
7:15 PM
Since when @JourneymanGeek asked the question yesterday, they added a new UX researcher position to the work here page. (But still no CM positions, unfortunately.)
 
7:27 PM
@Ollie maybe search on the post tagged for javascript, you might find something that work for you :D
(since I'm assuming you want to run it from your browser)
 
@ArtOfCode yes, some colleagues noted less spam, others reported no difference
 
7:38 PM
Going now
Ta!
 
@ArtOfCode Oh, I have a theory there
pretty much the places where the spam sweatshops run are in lockdown
so a lot mess manual spam
 
yup
 
@SonictheMaskedWerehog Well, part of me wasn't expecting an answer to that so soon, so maybe give the wheels a few days to turn
 
@Spevacus ninja'd me... I blame mobile
 
I was just about to say: Sorry!
 
7:52 PM
Your answer's more detailed in any case :D
 
Screenshots are nice. :)
 
What happened to the "question eligible for bounty in..." thingy?
 
✂️
 
@Ollie I'm always wondering what you mean when saying Ta! :) (just curious as it remind me of something i seen once)
I believe it's not the only major reason: since a lots of spams aren't 100% automated, the human factor was (obviously) affected in some ways during the lockdown...

And even in the case it would be 100% automated, the place where it would run (local server etc) would be affected by possible cut-down on the internet/electricity (as this happened in some part during lockdown too)
 
8:10 PM
@ArtOfCode Is there any data analysis as to what topics tend to be spammed about more by automatic bots, and which topics are more likely to be spammed by manual human smokers spammers?
 
@SonictheMaskedWerehog probably any topics where product can be mentioned/sold imo
that, and I'm guessing any topics where it'll be relevant to post sites/links for seo ranking
 
I don't know if there's any data collection being done that differentiates spam based on whether it was written by a human or a robot.
That would be cool if it were, though.
 
@Spevacus even if it can be done, let's say "statistically", it will never be accurate, since there no way to know unless you were there, physically, next to the spammer when doing the deeds (or if you know who made the attempt at least).
 
i mean
that's not entirely accurate
it's certainly possible detect how human something looks based on the interactions made on the page prior to submission of the post
with likely a pretty high degree of accuracy
 
@user400654 Yes, but you can also think/doubt that it can be human based (eg: someone trolling, etc)
so you can't be 100% sure
 
8:18 PM
err, trolls are human
 
@user400654 that's what i said? :o
 
i guess i misunderstood
 
what i meant was, you can't be accurate when doing this, because even if it look like it's done by a bot, you can still think it was made by a human (eg: troll, etc)
 
there will always be doubt, but we don't have to let a few percentage points of error throw out all the other useful data
 
@user400654 that's true, but doubts can be opinionated, so you can't be sure of it, even if majority think it is the case (unless existing physical proof this was done by a human/bot)
still as you said, it can be useful data...
In contrast, it's easier to know what is spam or not, given context (eg: someone trying to post links for advertising, seo ranking, etc). In that case, it's really easy to get to that sweet 100% accurate goal.
 
8:46 PM
Any stats for whoever asked the most questions? @rene
 
@rene Thanks :3
 
9:17 PM
@Catija I hope your plate still has space for me to dump more things on it... Twitter
 
Just finished dinner... time for dessert?
I think sometimes I'd prefer a desert.
 
Probably, aye
 
9:39 PM
 
It takes true artistic talent to make a comic funny that's comprised entirely of colorful circles and text.
 
9:56 PM
@Catija if the last half of that pic is actually real (in term of factual knowledge) then this is every more funny
also, where does the pics from feeds come from?
 
Does it look like the preview or the actual post is wrongly rendering the markdown?
 
@NordineLotfi click on the image
 
@Catija :oo so the feeds is from that site, yeah.
 
10:13 PM
Is there some sort of edits per minute limit?
 
I would think so
 
Ah.
 
other than the per-IP request limit, that is
 
Because the review is showing it as it is, but the actual post is showing it incorrectly.
 
10:21 PM
@Ollie not sure? I'm not an expert. I tend to default to "whatever behavior happens in an actual post, assume that's the "correct" behavior and the preview should present it accurately, regardless of whether the "correct" version is truly correct.
 
Still, the preview is showing something the actual post isn't.
 
Sure. Not arguing with that... but that's not what you're pinging me about, is it?
 
Well, I do have a good recipe for a black cherry cake
But things are rather hectic right now
So, goodbye.
 
Yum!
 
47 messages moved to Chimney
 
Rob
10:36 PM
@ArtOfCode They missed the opportunity to sell pandemic cream and pills.
 
@Rob you mean, they were too busy selling those to actually spam as they usually do ;)
 
I wonder what the general cause is for differences between the client-side renderer and the server-side one. It's only when CommonMark was rolled out that all these differences began to crop up.
 
Rob
The chart doesn't seem to indicate that.
 
11:21 PM
@Catija can you unfreeze that room that you and I were using for a short period?
 
weird question: any places where i can ask on how to ask/formulate a specific goal/question into the right question? (sounds confusing i know)
 
@NordineLotfi so basically, "How do I ask a question?" is what you're asking?
 
it's basically a math question, but I'm unsure on how to formulate/write the question so it isn't confusing (the post won't be as confusing of course)
@ThomasWard check my message above which give a bit of background (blame internet connection, came after yours...)
 
i mean, in theory you could ask in the Mathematics room but I don't know enough about the Math chatrooms to see if they'll be receptive
 
I basically know how to explain this as a post, it's just the actual question that I'm unsure on how to formulate
 
11:24 PM
alternatively, just aks your question and be prepared for a mini tirade of "this is confusing, this is weird, what is this"
 
@ThomasWard Yes, haha that works too
@ThomasWard gotcha :o that' a start i guess
@ThomasWard just did, let's hope i won't get chewed too much ><
 
11:40 PM
!!/ms-status
 
@Spevacus metasmoke is down. Current failure count: 6 (teward/Osiris)
 
Why'd I even check: I saw that happen in CHQ...
 
maintenance
 
(Sorry, accidentally pressed enter)
Side note: Glad things cooled down over there.
 
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 28 mins ago, by Thomas Ward
Metasmoke will be going down in approximately 15 minutes for a 30-minute outage (at most - at the least 10 minutes), the host system running the VMs has a dying drive in it and it needs replaced for the integrity of that compute node in the VMware cluster.
#YouHaveFailed :P
we're in the middle of it :P
 
11:44 PM
I failed like 3 times in a row.
 
'failing compute node system drive' is usually a good reason for emergency maintenance :P
 
I saw that announcement, saw NobodyNada set the status to down, then came here and did !!/ms-status anyway
Also, yeah. That's not good.
 
@Spevacus so technically that's 4 failures :P
 
It's pretty nice up here at the front of the failure parade.
 
it's also not nice, you're the first one to get smacked :P
 
11:46 PM
Tru
Thanks for keeping the MS downtime low. We've got a review queue to smash. ;D
 
hey my pleasure. it's also simple when all i have to do is add a new drive into the RAID array on the node and let it set up. Problem is I ran out of hot-spares here (had 2, then old drives went to the crapper, so it was time to power donw, add drive, add to the RAID, and power back up)
probably'll take another 8 hours to finish becoming a primary drive but meh, the array at least is not going to be in a degraded state
 
You rock. Out loud.
 
@ThomasWard weird idea: if whatever Metasmoke is doing don't need too much logs/constant write on disk, you could just run it in the Ram instead, and do write periodically instead (on disk), to limit disk damage overtime
 
@NordineLotfi it's heavy on disk I/O (database writes)
 
Too bad :/
 
11:53 PM
this is, however, one system in a cluster of VMware nodes
and Metasmoke is virtualized so
as long as the storage arrays stay in a non-degraded state we're good :P
we also have full backups of the DB data in S3 too in case the entire cluster goes FUBAR
(though access to that data is highly restricted because of privacy)
but i digress
 
@ThomasWard how big is the DB on disk? (just curious)
I'd say less than 1TB but I don't mind being surprised
 
not that huge
 
less than 100GB?
 
relatively small, I have much larger VMs running on the system (and is more or less 'static storage' - how's a 1.5TB copy of the Ubuntu Primary Archives sound as a huge system in comparison to Metasmoke which is about six times larger than Metasmoke actually is)
 

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