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Magisch

7:55 AM

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Mithical

8:53 AM

Bwahahaha, I have to sign off that there is absolutely no chance I have COVID-19 before being allowed into a military base.

On a slightly related note... @YaakovEllis @ShadowWizardisEarForYou how's Tuesday?

Magisch

@Mithical mildly less funny here

italy reporting 200 new deaths yesterday and over 2000 new cases

Mad Scientist

@Mithical so essentially you are not allowed to enter a military base now without lying?

Magisch

How could you be certain you don't have it? Some people are asymptomatic and the thing has a long incubation time

Mithical

It's like... if you've been in contact with anyone from out of the country, or anyone who's in quarantine, or if you've been around anyone who might be sick over the past two weeks.

Gimby

Damn, how can you know without calling everyone up :/

Mithical

9:07 AM

And this is a relatively important thing in the draft process that I have to go in for. Do they really expect that people who spoke to a tourist for five minutes are going to take the risk of getting messed up by not showing up?

Magisch

mhm

Mithical

(Testing and interviews for a cyber unit, round two. Should be interesting...)

Yaakov Ellis

9:28 AM

@Mithical in theory ok. in practice I'll have to let you know on Tuesday morning. Who knows, maybe all schools will be canceled by then.

Magisch

how's things at stack working out yaakov?

everyone adapting well to remote only?

Gimby

10:13 AM

i'm sure people who pretend to work by being in pointless meetings all the time are having withdrawals and everyone else is fine :)

ymb1

In response to feedback request by @YaakovEllis (you may need to press show more I think):

1) More consistent moderation, 2) fewer fewer fewer forum-like thread comments

1. privileges for moderation need to be at higher rep levels, and require experience, for example, one cannot approve a tag wiki excerpt unless they've submitted successful ones before and understand the difference between usage and definitions; for closing, a tutorial based on site examples, etc

2. this is a bit futuristic, but do away with the comments as they are now (except for meta-sites) -- comments are to point to…

M.A.R.

10:30 AM

@ymb1 I'm pretty sure everyone has contemplated "What would happen if we were rid of the bloody comment function?" at least once, but they're kinda the necessary evil, to remove them seems a bit drastic.

Without comments, you're opening the floodgates for NAA.

BTW, I just wanna point this out:

MacLean et al.'s "Response" to Tang et al.'s paper gives this stronger summary: "Given these flaws, we believe that Tang et al. should retract their paper, as the claims made in it are clearly unfounded and risk spreading dangerous misinformation at a crucial time in the outbreak." — mgkrebbs yesterday

ymb1

why wouldn't the alternative tool help here? one can mark the whole post as "this doesn't address "X" in the question"

M.A.R.

The deadly L and S strains theory I also mentioned in chat is being debunked, so.

ymb1

this is a great comment

and it seems the site doesn't have the pile on commenting issue

to avoid the pile on commenting, the same remark can be added in the post, not via edit

but via a tool

M.A.R.

@ymb1 "add a comment" is a bit too general, IIRC there was this experiment in which they replaced it with "suggest improvements"; I forgot what became of it but the stats showed it was successful.

But something like a variable question; "I think ______ needs to be improved" is still too rigid for the comments purpose

ymb1

> stats showed it was successful

I'm intrigued :D

> still too rigid for the comments purpose

what do you mean?

M.A.R.

10:35 AM

People would still want to say more things about the question than that, more valid things

Say, on Chem, we sometimes tell people not to use MathJax in the title after editing. The only place this tidbit has to go is in a comment, but where would we put it otherwise?

ymb1

why wouldn't the [discuss this in chat] button work? it would be a room created for that question/answer

M.A.R.

Nobody reads revision histories.

ymb1

> Nobody reads revision histories.

M.A.R.

@ymb1 That's feasible, I even came up with that idea once, but it's far inferior compared to the comment section because it's elsewhere and not right under the post

ymb1

aha! been there, left notices, weren't read, I even made a site meta post about it

this issue goes back to 1) the moderation tools

in this case: editing

those who wish to community moderate (I'm one of those), need to be acquainted with how the site works

M.A.R.

10:38 AM

@ymb1 If you hover over my message, you can click on the broken arrow to the right to reply to me (if you're not on mobile, that is)

ymb1

@M.A.R. got it (Y)

but, never thought it useful, as you'll need to press on the arrow hehe

M.A.R.

@ymb1 Sure, but we all slip, and sometimes for the right reasons

Sometimes people do post comment-answers but it's just to help guide the OP that has posted a question likely to be closed

ymb1

with the [discuss this in chat] feature, maybe to be integrated into the revision history as well, i.e., leave message to x who made revision N

M.A.R.

@ymb1 There's a script for keyboard shortcuts in chat; I dunno if it's also implemented in the system yet

ymb1

and why not show last revision notice when editing? this should help to

M.A.R.

10:42 AM

@ymb1 Sounds like a good idea when fleshed out, it could replace /revisions

Throws a stick for @Journey to fetch

It's still some efforts though, let's see what devs do with the current pile of FRs

Journeyman Geek

gets the drone to incinerate the stick

Magisch

hey journey

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeek dogs these days

@Magisch Guten tag

Magisch

hey mar

ymb1

@M.A.R. I'm realistic and I know it's kinda futuristic -- compare Wikipedia with SE, in terms of tools, Wikipedia still feels like 2003, SE feels like 2012-ish, maybe something will come along and be the next thing, maybe SE can be bold if they have the resources to experiment, maybe all this isn't worth it, since the programming sites may not need all this stuff

Journeyman Geek

10:47 AM

Hi

ymb1

inconsistent moderation (not moderators) and the comments, are what usually make me take a break away from the site and contribute less

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek how's the situation in singapore?

M.A.R.

@ymb1 It's not about that . . . Well, there had (has, maybe) been disconnect between the community and the company for quite a while, and they were (are, maybe) unlikely to listen and implement what we ask for even if there's vehement support behind a feature request. There has been promises again, and some of them have been followed through, to be fair, but right now it doesn't seem like the right time to expect a new idea to be implemented

@Magisch He's abroad

Fighting in the frontlines of . . . I dunno, maintaining servers for biolabs

Hopefully not chasing his tail

ymb1

@M.A.R. I understand, plus maybe what I think what the site needs, isn't what the site needs, it's just cool to talk about what-ifs even for fun, see how everyone sees the current tools

M.A.R.

Sure, that's why this whole chat exists

Journeyman Geek

10:53 AM

@Magisch apparently well under control but I'm in India 🇮🇳

Mom got it into her head I needed to visit some temple so.... Here I am

M.A.R.

Imagining @Journey as bald

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek hm

Magisch

11:35 AM

@JourneymanGeek seems like you went just in time, india has banned all tourists

Journeyman Geek

12:52 PM

Oo whaaaa?

Citation needed

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek theguardian.com/world/live/2020/mar/12/…

Tl;dr India has banned all foreign nationals, even foreign nationals with indian origin that usually don't need a visa, from entering, for a whole month

Journeyman Geek

1:06 PM

.... Oh boy

Andras Deak

US also made broad travel restrictions...for people in the Shengen Area. UK is exempt :D

Magisch

Things are going bananas here, half the EU has closed schools for a month, we're seeing exponentially rising case numbers almost everywhere, the US has banned all travel from europe and is dealing with exponential spread itself

Journeyman Geek

Yup

Magisch

every big event is either about to be canceled or already canceled

Andras Deak

I was just linked twitter.com/Yascha_Mounk/status/1237731864233807872 . Emergency/disaster triage in Italy

Magisch

1:17 PM

> "It may become necessary to establish an age limit for access to intensive care.

This is not a value judgments but a way to provide extremely scarce resources to those who have the highest likelihood of survival and could enjoy the largest number of life-years saved."

coming to my country in the next couple of weeks, it seems

Gimby

Yeah I was supposed to go to the in-laws in Spain next month, but I'm kind of doubting that is going to happen right now.

Andras Deak

@Gimby the current guidance is "hell no"

for the sake of both sides

Magisch

so italy is literally in a situation where they have to tell people "sorry, we'll have to let you die because we don't have enough spots"

Journeyman Geek

Ugh. Shades of grave of the fireflies?

Andras Deak

in Python on Stack Overflow Chat, yesterday, by Andras Deak

The largest threat seems to be that even if a small percentage of the total susceptible population get infected the medical system won't be able to handle it eventually, so people that can be saved under nicer circumstances might die. So the main task is to slow down the disease in order to spread out its spread over time. Ease up the strain that's put on medical systems.

djsmiley2k TMW

1:32 PM

@Magisch scary isn't it?

At work we've sent most people home

me and my boss are still here, but the other two guys have a much longer drive, so they've been told to wfh instead.

I don't care, it's easy for me to be here, it's easy for me to be at home

@Magisch closing the borders in the US is funny, because it's already too late.

every plague inc player confirms.

Journeyman Geek

curseword onion timeline shakes a paw

Magisch

you know

in 2019 I kinda was like "at least next year can't realistically get any worse"

cue 2020. Australia was on fire, locust plague in africa, flirting with WW3 5 days into the year and now a worldwide pandemic

Gimby

Yes, 2020 is going to be one for the history books...

Magisch

@djsmiley2kTMW lets hope the last step in every plague.inc win (ratcheting up the mortality through mutation) is spared from us :P

John Dvorak

1:47 PM

I suggest that humanity stop believing in evolution, and pray that objective reality follows the subjective reality

Better idea: start finally trusting God again. He's not going to let mankind die out.

Feeds

2:07 PM

Working from home tips from our experienced remote employees

Ryan Donovan on March 12, 2020

We asked some of our veteran remote workers, folks who have spent years doing this, for tips on how to make remote work effective, enjoyable, and sustainable.

djsmiley2k TMW

2:22 PM

@Magisch yes. I hope so

user400654

3:05 PM

gotta milk that virus for views

djsmiley2k TMW

welp here comes the flood of UK shutting down panic in the streets riots and fires and all that jazz.

@user400654 Hey, if everyone (except me!?!) is stuck at home not working

canon

3:55 PM

@SmokeDetector awesome.

It's like some AI trained on reddit threads spat out an SU post.

Journeyman Geek

4:07 PM

Naw. Just muggles

M.A.R.

4:30 PM

Has anyone posted an FR to add some color to the new quotation CSS already?

Because I might

rene

4:48 PM

@M.A.R. you're kidding, right? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/344985/… and meta.stackexchange.com/questions/344909/…

M.A.R.

@rene Huh, I missed both. Shrug

But the fact that the second has only nine votes speaks volumes about its visibility.

rene

I admit I show signs of resistance to change and I did abuse the quoting styling beyond its design limits due to its different color styling. I personally think pages become a bit duller but I won't support proposals that add color back outside of the colorscheme for a site.

M.A.R.

When I think about it, the yellow was a bit too yellow, but that doesn't mean no background is a good thing

Quotes are always very discernible from the rest of the text. It's either a different font and font size, or a color background

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

5:12 PM

status-double-emerald

Rob

@M.A.R. Ask and ye shall receive, there's a UserScript for that:

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A: Will there be an option to permanently keep this year's April Fools design active?

I made a userscript to keep this amazing theme all the time. Get it on Stack Apps: 2019 April Fool's Day Retro Theme, or below: // ==UserScript== // @name Stack Exchange 90's theme // @namespace http://tampermonkey.net/ // @version 1.4 // @updateURL https://github.com/a-stone...

:)

πάντα ῥεῖ

6:07 PM

That's the typical thing that happens when a student pays more attention to their mobile during a lecture than what the professor / teacher says. And then just at the end of the lecture a screenshot is taken of the last presentation page showing the homework task.

-5

Q: Write codes to run a program using c# in visual studio

]How do you write the codes for this using c# via Visual Studio console app (net.framework)? Can anyone show the full codes for this? Many thanks

discussion

rene

yeah.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@rene I wouldn't even have ever helped them like you did in your comment. This just would encourage the OP to ask more of such poor stuff at SE.

It's like teaching your puppy not to pee at the floor, and tell them they'll get a goodie if they promise. If your puppy waves their tail you give them a goodie :-(

πάντα ῥεῖ

6:27 PM

That's the wrong signal.

rene

sure

πάντα ῥεῖ

I know how hard that is looking in their tear filling eyes and the cute puppy face ;-)

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

It's very rainy here, so it's kinda hard to go outside even without a quarantine order...

πάντα ῥεῖ

6:44 PM

Umbrellas sold out?

rene

toiletpaper

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Just install a bidet

πάντα ῥεῖ

Toilet paper not completely sold out here, just my preferred brand.

canon

bidet and air-dry imo

Magisch

poof

πάντα ῥεῖ

6:59 PM

I believe my next steps should be heading to 20k here :-P

Magisch

go for it

πάντα ῥεῖ

It will take some time of course. THX for the heads-up though.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

11:38 PM

Attention: Hold off on posting all new bug reports or feature requests you have in mind until March 16:

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ArtOfCode

11:49 PM

or y'could not worry about it and flag 'em as and when that becomes applicable if necessary

thus not having to remember what you wanted to post about a week later

M.A.R.

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I wasn't going to post anything but this makes me anxious

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