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@Gwideon Hi!

sie es er

@Gwideon Hi.

Sorry to see you felt it necessary to take a drastic step with your question. Hope your inbox is calmer now.

it is

Kevin B

o/

user310756

3:11 PM

@Gwideon hi :)

:waves @Gwideon:

how is everyone

user310756

@KevinB I owe you a massive thanks. I'm using the ad blocker for all notifications and awards and I'm so much happier. It's make a gazillion percent difference

user310756

@Gwideon good hun, how are you? Recharged at all?

@YvetteColomb I've recharged a bit. i'm doing alright

user310756

3:13 PM

@Shog9 me too! but in a small bottle that you drink out of. Don't know what they're called

@Gwideon Still here, for some strange reason... I guess we must really like helping people.

user310756

@Gwideon good. I'm on discord if you ever need to reach out.

I will

Yvette's given up trying to have a break, and is now officially back on the site. :)

user310756

@PM2Ring hehe. I had to do that. It was being used as a weapon against me. So it was making a point. - refering to my meta post

user310756

3:16 PM

@Gwideon me Yvette#3953

user310756

I changed my username. as the yo with the spaces complicated things

:(

user194636

gone

okay

@YvetteColomb I see your MSO post had a mixed reception. Oh well. At least some of us are glad to have you back.

3:29 PM

i've made a couple comments on my post but um I think I won't be doing much beyond that

@Zoethetransgirl yikes

@Zoethetransgirl I don't see what you're linking to. What happened just curious

yup

@Gwideon R/A stuff.

oh okay

@Gwideon looks okay to me. Those are friendly comments.

3:35 PM

so basically the usual

If you don't have the rep to see a deleted post, clicking on a link to a deleted answer just shows you the question, I think.

@Raedwald yes

@Gwideon bit more caustic then usual but eh

deleted anyways

good

it's just that kind of stuff has been really common recently

I'm wondering if the minimum rep level on MSE shouldn't be up to 2 to at least block those fresh accounts from posting.

3:38 PM

of course my perspective may be a little skewed

@rene protecting the question doesn't work?

@rene journey asked about that

I concur

or is the bar then too high?

IMHO: The Mythical Fullstack Engineer

protecting the question doesn't stop people from making new ones

Feeds

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3:39 PM

@OrangeDog I dunno

@OrangeDog protecting needs 10 rep to be able to post

@Magisch on MSE or private?

@rene on mse: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/335748/…

I saw that post. I was deeply saddened by the top answer :( for the reasons why they use a throw away account, that is

As you might guess, Raedwald is not my real name. Keeping my SO identity separate from my real identity seemed like a wise move.

oh yeah it definitely is wise. you can probably guess my name isn't Gwideon

Point taken.

3:47 PM

→ 2 messages moved to Trashcan

user351483

!!/coffee

SmokeDetector

@Snow brews a cup of Cappuccino for @Snow

Let I not validate my own flags

why were they moved to the trashcan

doesn't matter

3:48 PM

yeah it does

something's moved, that means it's no longer relevant

but those were perfectly fine messages

!!/tea

SmokeDetector

@Rubiksmoose brews a cup of earl grey tea for @Rubiksmoose

Thanks Smokey

3:50 PM

!!/coffee

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@Gwideon brews a cup of Cappuccino for @Gwideon

I know you might not be able to say, but has there been any consensus on this post: meta.stackexchange.com/q/335745/388335

probably not

consensus is probably irrelevant, staff are dictating the rules

It seemed like trolling, but it's still around. If it was legitimate, I'd want to, at least, withdraw my flags and apologize

3:53 PM

@divibisan I'm assuming you mean to link to the post that is duped to?

@Rubiksmoose No, the post that was closed as a duplicate.

I'm curious - what happens if the last MSE moderator takes a break too? (one of the remaining two is apparently on a break)

@Zoethetransgirl then Tim Post has to open even more tabs

@Zoethetransgirl Not a lot more then currently, I guess

also this is just a note because it's something i'm seeing all around. can we avoid the word preferred when referring to pronouns as it makes it seem like someone's pronouns are up for debate. um sorry

2

user310756

3:55 PM

@Zoethetransgirl which one is on a break?

No idea

@Zoethetransgirl then we're back to 6 months ago or so? It worked, it just took a bit longer for flags to be handled.

6 months ago MSE had maybe 10% the activity of now though

user310756

@PM2Ring thank you. Honestly, the lack of popularity is to be expected. I'm voicing unpopular views atm.

we used to gripe about 3-4 off topic questions per day

we still get these but now we also get all of ... this

3:56 PM

@divibisan I'm not psychic, so I can't be certain that person's a troll, but objecting to the correct use of "you" looks pretty trollish to me. Either that, or the OP has a very poor grasp of grammar, but that's unlikely, considering that most of what they wrote is coherent, albeit not particularly logical.

@Gwideon why would personal preference be up for debate?

Sorry nevermind.

It's... not a "preference". It's about what's accurate.

@divibisan I mean, I guess I am confused then about who/what are you asking? There's no way to measure consensus around a question that is closed and that didn't even get an answer.

user194636

@YvetteColomb Tink

3:58 PM

@divibisan it has 2 delete votes, I would assume it is a legit question but we better handle all comments / answers / outcome on one cannonical dupe.

@user58 it seems to me more rude to ask "what are you" than to ask "what do you prefer"?

user310756

@user58 it can be helpful to not be too dismissive when people ask like that. It's a public room and all

@OrangeDog "what are your pronouns?"

user310756

@PaulWhite poor Chris cripes

user194636

@YvetteColomb he's also not moderating staff posts

4:00 PM

If you need / want a qualifier, you can say "specified pronouns" rather than "preferred pronouns".

@Rubiksmoose I guess I'd prefer he/him

@OrangeDog it's... hard to explain but um some people think they can convince us that our pronouns aren't actually are pronouns. sorry

user310756

@PaulWhite what do you mean? he's on partial strike?

I don't think this has been stated publicly.

@OrangeDog Oh, I mean, thanks for telling me, but I mean more that I was suggesting "what are your pronouns" versus "what are you" (which does seem at least brusque if not rude/confusing)

4:01 PM

@PM2Ring yeah specified pronouns would be better

user194636

@YvetteColomb you'd have to ask him. my impression is it is more of a recusal.

user310756

I don't see him now

user310756

I could ask one of the mods I'm in touch with privately

user310756

I was on fb with Chris, but left it

user310756

Yeh I have 100? comments under one post. I have the same on other posts

4:02 PM

@Rubiksmoose that still seems a bit rude to me, demanding to know my identity rather than asking after my preferences

sorry for asking um

user310756

stopping the notifications has helped - with an ad blocker

@Rubiksmoose I was just wondering whether the fact that it wasn't deleted as a troll post (as many of the comments suggested) represented an actual decision by mods etc. that it was a legitimate post, or just a lack of consensus or a decision that closure as a dupe was fine. That there's no answer is a fine answer to me

user310756

@Gwideon ?

user310756

it sounds like there's not enough mods around to make that decision. So I wouldn't be analysing it

4:04 PM

wait meta only has one active mod right now

@divibisan Ah I see.

I still have 5 outstanding "unfriendly or unkind" flags; the oldest is 2 days old. I guess only "rude/abusive" gets attention at the moment.

Kevin B

meta.stackexchange.com/users?tab=moderators

yeah

geez only 2

@OrangeDog You'd have to ask a trans/NB person, but generally I think they've found it to be an acceptable way to ask.

4:05 PM

@Raedwald Rude/abusive get handled automatically.

no wonder it's taking so long to take care of some stuff

@Gwideon plus the CMs

and some devs. I saw Taryn delete a post earlier

@Rubiksmoose but if we're asking everyone...

true

4:06 PM

@PM2Ring Automatically if contains a bad word, or has multiple flags, correct? Otherwise needs a moderator?

@Raedwald I'm not sure of the exact algorithm. IIRC, 6 R/A flags kill anything, less are needed if the post contains certain keywords... Or maybe I'm getting mixed up with spam flags.

@PM2Ring I think regex matching only applies to comments

The precise rules might be kept deliberately hidden.

@Raedwald that would be very sensible