Wizards Den

@Yve you know what? If somehow I'll change my mind and stay, I'll rename to Shadow The Princess Wizard, just to be reminded what keeps me here (the fun!) what do you think?

Zoe the transgirl

@YvetteColomb I don't blame you for that tbh. I'm aware my behavior has been... well, bad at times. FWIW, it was worse a few years ago. I've had to learn a lot - my social skills are many years behind the "average"

@YvetteColomb You can always add me on Discord. I'm online pretty much all the time ^^"

user310756

@Zoethetransgirl yep it's that kinda stuff I was judging and for some reason I missed the connection with who you were until today!

user310756

I will

user310756

@Shadow were you leaving/

user310756

?

Shadow

12:36 PM

@Zoethetransgirl yet they're not just fine, and I often forget how much you worked on that, and I should know. So a big kudos. :)

user310756

wtf?

Shadow

@YvetteColomb hehe... well see my profile...

user310756

@Shadow get your arse back in here now! drags by hair

user310756

we all have felt like leaving, but you cannot go!

Zoe the transgirl

@YvetteColomb in case you don't have it already, I'm Olivia#0740

user310756

12:37 PM

stuff that, I'm not having it

Shadow

The only reason I'm still here is I still didn't think of what to say in a farewell post, so decided to make some "grace period" time.

user310756

@Zoethetransgirl got it

user310756

@Shadow reverse it NOW!

Shadow

@YvetteColomb hair? Not long enough........... ;-)

user310756

@Shadow go to your email mister

Zoe the transgirl

12:38 PM

@Shadow pff, just leave it for a couple years ;)

Shadow

lol

@Zoethetransgirl I did, as teenager! Had rather long hair.

Zoe the transgirl

@Shadow I'm on a schedule. I'm giving it 15 more days, then I'm done. I'll see what I do after that when I get there

user310756

I gotta go/ work to do

user310756

I added you Zoe

user310756

great to be back

Zoe the transgirl

12:39 PM

Yeah, I saw. Accepted it a minute ago

Shadow

@Zoethetransgirl absolute time? No turning back?

Zoe the transgirl

I won't delete my account instantly. I'll leave it for 6-8 and periodically pop by, but I don't see the point in continuing to stay on the site. The only thing keeping me here is that I want to make sure the community survives, but the community is turning on itself and SE is unresponsive, so I don't have much of a place here

Which really sucks, because I would be in a lot worse place if not for the community here. But yeah, it's collapsing now. :/

Shadow

@Zoethetransgirl Tavern seems fine. Many core users are still around. To be honest.... nothing collapsed yet, at least in MSE. Is it worse over SO?

Zoe the transgirl

SOBotics is pretty affected. Charcoal too

The Meta Room has lost users too

Chat around the network?

I've raised more flags there in the past week than I have in the last year.

Also got into conflict with a mod, but the message got handled properly when someone else raised flags and presumably a different mod stepped in

I'm watching two different feed rooms in chat to keep track of new stuff being posted because there's a lot of nasty behavior

Meanwhile, people in the group the CoC aims to include (me included) see a lot of crap. I know another trans person who takes frequent breaks. It's draining, and I spend too much time on it. Currently, everyone is losing

No one wins, and everyone is pushed away

Shadow

12:58 PM

Oh... feeling bit bad now for sticking only to MSE.

Zoe the transgirl

MSE is the definitely worst

Shadow

Like my own small ivory tower...

Zoe the transgirl

Mainly because this is network-featured and brings a lot of nastiness with it

Shadow

@Zoethetransgirl how so?

Zoe the transgirl

@Shadow Half the mods, significant volume increase

Shadow

12:59 PM

Tavern is kept perfectly clean.

Zoe the transgirl

+ featuring bringing thousands of people here

Not talking about chat, talking about main

Shadow

@Zoethetransgirl nasty comments?

Zoe the transgirl

Nasty comments, nasty answers, nasty questions, some times nasty usernames, nasty "about me"'s...

Combined with a really long flag handling time lets some of these things explode out of control

Shadow

I still feel it's part of "Let them release some steam" policy which is good, and right away offensive posts/comments are being deleted. Unless you have examples that prove otherwise? @Zoe

Zoe the transgirl

@Shadow Without 10k, I can't find it. Some things were posted as answers and stayed for an unnecessarily long time. There was also an incident on MSO...

meta.stackoverflow.com/q/390356/6296561

(10k)

I've had some offensive comments I flagged take hours to be removed here on MSE

MSO stays on top of it because of the meta room and lower volume in general

All the problems are directed to MSE

Shadow

1:05 PM

meh MSO was always crappy even before all of... this.

StephanS

@Shadow There's so many I'm being censored comments for objectively bad post

Zoe the transgirl

@Shadow I've seen multiple of those posts here on MSE

Shadow

@StephanS my rule of thumb: "comment is temporary, and might be deleted even without a good reason". Then I'm not angry or hurt when my comment suddenly vanish, and it's my way of thinking way before this crisis. :)

StephanS

@Shadow I started a war with one of my mods about that because he was removing 1-hour old comments

Law.SE really hasn't been affected by all of this

Shadow

:/

StephanS

1:12 PM

it created quite a few posts in our meta

anyways I heard about a bot Zoe made in the other room

Zoe the transgirl

The bot is currently dead

The source is on GH, but I'm not hosting it

I also deleted the account for it. Won't be needing it anyway

StephanS

I was just interested in knowing about it

Shadow

@StephanS can find it in the ~~graveyard~~ transcript.

StephanS

what did it do? how long did it take you to make it?

Shadow

github.com/LunarWatcher/Alisha /cc @Stephan

Zoe the transgirl

1:18 PM

It did lots of stuff. Mostly chat stuff

@Shadow github.com/LunarWatcher/NN-chatbot actually

Shadow

oh

@StephanS well, you can go over this to see what it was used for. :)

StephanS

wait caprica six was an actual user

I thought it was just an account owned by rlemon

Shadow

@StephanS no it's a bot

Actual account owned by actual person, used for actual bot. ;)

StephanS

@Zoethetransgirl this is great github.com/LunarWatcher/NN-chatbot/blob/master/chatbot/src/main/…. Do you enjoy Kotlin?

Zoe the transgirl

yeah, I like the language. I haven't used it in a while though. I switched over to C++ recently

StephanS

1:28 PM

I've tried to avoid it so far by just sticking with java but it seems i'll have to bite the bullet eventually

Zoe the transgirl

I might check out Kotlin Native when it gets a bit more mature

@StephanS Avoid C++ or Kotlin?

StephanS

kotlin

Zoe the transgirl

it's definitely worth checking out though.

There's a bunch of utils for a lot of things, including multi-platform stuff

StephanS

I've read about that and I've been told if you know java then kotlin isn't hard to pick up

Zoe the transgirl

kotlin is built on Java, so most of the classes are the same

There's different mechanics for null and there's some different syntax, but most of it is the same

StephanS

1:36 PM

I'll have to buy a book about it, but right now I still reading through the docs on AndroidX

StephanS

1:47 PM

spell check: "I'm still reading through"

^^"

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1:51 PM

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status-completed

Zoe the transgirl

2:15 PM

:P

KennyBOT

2:33 PM

~ Not everything is star-worthy...

StephanS

ouch

did I just get burned by a bot or Rene?

Shadow

@StephanS yourself! @Kenny doesn't say who stars. ;)

Now we know it's you. :D

oh wait

StephanS

@Shadow ........

Shadow

lol

Hey those dots itch

StephanS

you're in Israel

is it true everything shuts down on Yom Kippur, like it's a ghost country

Shadow

2:49 PM

@StephanS yes, even all TV channels are obliged by law to stop broadcasting.

Part of being Jewish country. :)

I'm fine with that even while not being religious.

StephanS

that's crazy

Shadow

It's a day where all the kids ride their bicycles in the empty roads.

@StephanS every religion has crazy things, yes.

And every nation has its own weird rules, regardless of religion. :)

StephanS

I mean just crazy in that fact that everything stops

Shadow

@StephanS correct :)

FOX 9000

@Shadow blunder (?)

Shadow

2:51 PM

@FOX9000 thunder

@Shadow torrent (?)

@FOX9000 u

@Shadow m8 (?)

@FOX9000 M16

No associated word found for m16.

Shadow

2:52 PM

Really?! Such a peaceful bot. ;)

StephanS

what just happened

oh it's a game

Shadow

>>continue M16 Galil

FOX 9000

@Shadow Galil (?)

Shadow

>>addlinkexplanation M16 Galil en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMI_Galil

FOX 9000

@Shadow Explanation added.

Shadow

2:53 PM

@StephanS You've just witnessed WAG

my favorite game.

Playing since 2001 or 2002.

StephanS

does it randomly happen

Shadow

Back then played in ASPFree Forums Lounge with actual human beings, but these days playing with the bot @ProgramFOX built especially for that purpose. :)

Or with @rene in the past....

@StephanS the only random thing in WAG (with the bot) is the word selection. :)

The bot replies to any single word reply, if coming from someone who joined the game.

>>joingame

FOX 9000

@Shadow You're already in the game.

Shadow

That's how you join ^^

@FOX got more cool commands which are not related to WAG

>>flip @StephanS

FOX 9000

@Shadow (╯^□^)┛︵SuɐɥdǝʇS@

Shadow

2:56 PM

and many many more..... :P

StephanS

lol

Shadow

>>listcommands

FOX 9000

Commands:
alive, utc, listcommands, help, cat, exec, read, getcurrentusers, ping, flip, doubleflip, xkcdrandomnumber, xkcd, random, randomint, randomchoice, shuffle, detectlang, translate, *translationchain, *translationswitch, *stop, *disable, *enable, *suspend, *unsuspend, *ban, *unban, +delete, *pull, yes, no, *module, define, time, showtime, link, islink, removelink, addlinkexplanation, explainlink, removelinkexplanation, showlatest10, latestword, rmword, reply, retry, continue, *gameban, *gameunban, joingame, quitgame

Shadow

Take your pick!

StephanS

>>cat

FOX 9000

2:57 PM

@StephanS Argument parsing failed.

Shadow

The unique thing with @FOX I never saw in other bot is nested commands

>>cat woof

FOX 9000

@Shadow woof