Tavern on the Meta

user204841

20:00

Yes, but it has been like 12 hours. The user was basically celebrating their freedom to insult.

Mgetz

@ModusTollens I've seen flags that were very very much against the CoC go declined too

which puts a chilling effect on the willingness of users to even flag things

Mad Scientist

@RobertHarvey I assume you've seen this tweet?

rene

At least it will be happy hour in 3 hours time ...

Sébastien Renauld

Let's see how the flags go

I guess if they get declined, then talion's law is part of the CoC, yeah?

Mgetz

@rene it's always happy hour somewhere 🍻

rene

20:02

Iceland?

Meta Andrew T.

It's always Iceland on Friday

user204841

Yes. I don't feel welcome on SE any more and want to leave. Thought I'd give it a few hours to see if being insulting doesn't mean consequences for some users now. My hopes are sinking.

Kevin B

it isn't insulting if it's following the same views that the team agrees with.

user204841

Currently investigating how to leave. I have to delete my profile on every single site, right?

Mgetz

@rene not sure where your happy hours start... but most places around here they start at 3-5pm

@ModusTollens don't that's what they want you to do

user437611

20:04

@ModusTollens The sad part is I still need to access SO and SE from time to time to get answers to my questions. I can't completely leave even if I wanted to. I wish there was an alternate resource.

user204841

@Mgetz I just want to be happier

user437611

And yes, you'd have to delete all your profiles, on every single site.

Mgetz

@ModusTollens then take some time to completely ignore the dumpsterfire and go hiking?

rene

@Mgetz chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/89/…

user204841

I admit that I cried today, and I'm an old woman :) Pathetic

Mgetz

20:06

Crying is fine

Kevin B

eh, why bother having everything deleted

Mgetz

our society could be better off for having a good cry from time to time

user437611

@KevinB To prevent the urge of logging in again? :P

Magisch

@ModusTollens If you want to do this, use the contact form. They can take care of that without making you go through every site 1 by 1

user204841

@Magisch Thanks, I'll do that.

Stevoisiak

20:08

I regret looking at Meta SE

user102937

@MadScientist Hadn't seen that one.

Mad Scientist

That one seriously pissed off some people

Kevin B

eh, it just makes intent clear.

user102937

@MadScientist Well, yeah. Makes it look like speciously hiding behind an internal policy.

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user204841

They'll probably believe I go because I don't respect people. I just want to say that it's not like that at all. Everybody deserves respect. But it has always been possible to discuss things at SE. This seemed to change for some time now, but today it was just too much. Seing no reaction to that vitriol from staff hurts.

Mgetz

20:12

@ModusTollens I'd encourage you to sleep on it before you do this

Meta Andrew T.

I always had some kind of thoughts that recently SE (the company) were being threatened by something...

Mgetz

this is literally what they are trying to get people to do

Mad Scientist

@RobertHarvey I just seems extremely hypocritical and pretty much unbelievable given the disregard for any privacy concerns that all their other actions showed

David A

@MetaAndrewT. Big companies are always under threat of twitter mobs or medium posts that go viral.

user437611

@ModusTollens To be fair, the staff are probably overloaded. In any case, I can empathize.

user204841

20:14

Thanks for being a good online home for over 7 years guys. I wish you all the best. Don't forget to love each other <3

Shog9

@ModusTollens I'm sorry; we're behind - but that's no excuse.

Magisch

It's clear that the CM team isn't big enough to deal with the current rate of flux

user102937

Engage the Grand-Master Uber Lock™. Throw that big knife switch.

Mgetz

I hate to say it but setting MSE readonly until a mod election can happen probably isn't the worst thing to do

John Dvorak

I think we need a flux capacitor to deal with the flux later

ArtOfCode

20:18

→ 16 messages moved to Trashcan

Magisch

@Mgetz MSE doesn't get elections, only appointments

ArtOfCode

let's not

Shog9

"invited to join trashcan"

thaaanks Art

Magisch

you only get that because you're a mod :p

Mgetz

@Shog9 does the trashcan have a bottle of whiskey?

Kevin B

20:19

eh, i get that a few times a month on main

ArtOfCode

@Shog9 thank you, come again

David A

Only certified cookie monsters are allowed to live in trash can.

Kevin B

happens any time you move a reply to the trash

Shog9

← 1 message moved from Trashcan

ArtOfCode

aaand everybody flooda da trashcan

Mgetz

20:20

But the trashcan is for dry trash only!

Kevin B

seems like a great place to have a conversation

Magisch

Shog moves in mysterious ways - I gots to know

user206222

pictured: a dozen hands, all hovering over a large red button labeled "MOD ABUSE," quivering with excitement

Mgetz

@Aza sounds like a BDSM plugin for minecraft....

Meta Andrew T.

nah, it's a big, red, "Don't press this button!" button...

ArtOfCode

20:22

@Aza please, you're missing several exclamation marks and a few 1s for good measure

user204841

Was my "thanks" and "goodbye" message just trashed?

Stevoisiak

@Mgetz We can put whiskey in the trash

🥃

ArtOfCode

← 1 message moved from Trashcan

user102937

Heh. Well at least I didn't get kicked this time.

ArtOfCode

not any more it wasn't

Stevoisiak

20:22

Mods, put that whiskey in the trash!

Magisch

probably got swept up in the clicks

user204841

K, thanks :)

Mgetz

@Stevoisiak unless it's <insert brand name here> that's a waste of whiskey

Stevoisiak

@Mgetz It's emoji brand, it's safe to discard

ArtOfCode

@Stevoisiak what if I forget to put it in the trash and accidentally took it home with me instead

Mgetz

20:23

Oh eww, movie add on brands are horrible

Stevoisiak

@ArtOfCode Well I take no responsibility for what happens

ArtOfCode

yaaaay happy hour came early

Mgetz

🥂🥃

Stevoisiak

1 message moved to ArtOfCode's house

Magisch

I never drink but in light of recent events I'm starting to understand the appeal

user206222

20:25

there are sixty of us, it's probably going to be a happy minute or two before the whiskey's gone

Mgetz

@Magisch I don't drink a lot, but occasionally it's the right choice

Meta Andrew T.

But if I drink now, then I'll miss the transport...

ArtOfCode

@Aza I count 32... make that 2-4 minutes

Mgetz

@Aza eh... we'll bring a case

Magisch

drowning out my brain sounds like an appealing proposition right now

Mgetz

20:26

costco whiskey!

Kevin B

🚽

Mgetz

(actually good stuff)

ArtOfCode

@Mgetz the UK equivalent of it, at least, is very good at drowning out one's brain

John Dvorak

It will be gone as soon as soon you can get it out of the bottle

Mgetz

@ArtOfCode irn bru? or is that just scotland

ArtOfCode

20:27

@Mgetz irn bru is a soft drink :P

Mgetz

and you're sure it doesn't melt brains?

ArtOfCode

it's also migrating southwards

David A

Half of what's in meta is questions people meant to ask on some other site (but for some reason didn't).

Sébastien Renauld

I need to find myself a supplier of two things here

1. irn bru

Mgetz

@DavidA yep, never quite sure why

ArtOfCode

20:28

but no, the equivalent is cheap Asda whisky

Sébastien Renauld

2. natakhtari lemonade

Mgetz

@ArtOfCode Asda whiskey sounds like it includes an automatic ASBO

Sébastien Renauld

(If you haven't had #2, find yourself a georgian restaurant. That stuff is the drink of gods)

@Mgetz sainsbury's basics vodka wants a word

Magisch

I'm gonna order a portion of the good curry

I really need it right now

ArtOfCode

@Mgetz not quite automatic, though I wouldn't be too surprised if the rozzers keep an eye on its purchase

Mgetz

20:29

@SébastienRenauld pretty sure they give you the ASBO on purchase in that case

ArtOfCode

@SébastienRenauld ha, basics brandy is quite possibly the worst cheap alcohol in existence

Mgetz

Well at least the vodka they are trying to keep pure... brandy... oh god

that sounds like a hangover just standing next to it

John Dvorak

I have a bottle of blue portugal sitting in my home. I don't want to drink it alone though.

ArtOfCode

@Mgetz Vodka has such a huge range to it. Always hated it until I had some of the good stuff.

Mgetz

@JohnDvorak drinking alone should be avoided yes

ArtOfCode

20:32

@JohnDvorak *raises glass*

Mgetz

@ArtOfCode I have a bottle of grey goose still unopened

not sure what to do with it

John Dvorak

@ArtOfCode *raises glass*

ArtOfCode

@Mgetz hm... drink it, perhaps?

John Dvorak

... I hate markdown

Sébastien Renauld

@ArtOfCode Sainsbury's should market some basics moonshine, I'm sure it'd sell if placed in shops close enough to higher education buildings

ArtOfCode

20:33

@JohnDvorak *\*thing**

Mgetz

@ArtOfCode but I have scotch for drinking and I medically can't drink to get drunk

ArtOfCode

@SébastienRenauld hell, my university halls had a sainsbury's local built into it

@Mgetz damn

Sébastien Renauld

I heard they did the same to a department in my former uni @ArtOfCode

Mgetz

@SébastienRenauld I can see professors asking students to nip down and buy some vodka to use in chem labs..

Sébastien Renauld

it's like sainsbury's and tesco's literally having an all-out war to buy every defunct pub and reshape them into local shops

ArtOfCode

20:35

you'd get the students coming downstairs in pyjamas, in through the back entrance inside the halls, just to get cheap booze

Shog9

FYI, I'm just deleting any conversation with more than a few flags in it at this point. And a lot of other stuff. This shit got ugly.

Sébastien Renauld

@Shog9 I saw, honestly kinda warranted but I hope the people throwing the vitriol didn't get away scott-free

Shog9

I'm issuing suspensions too, but not gonna talk about that

Sébastien Renauld

particularly as a couple of them weren't on their first merry-go-round

Shog9

Flag what needs to be flagged, and folks will get what they need

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Mgetz

20:36

@Shog9 10-4

joran

@Shog9 Are you referring mainly to chat, or to Meta in general?

ArtOfCode

@SébastienRenauld I'm stealing that. I've always wanted a good alternative to "first rodeo"

user206222

@Shog9 Thanks for acting, but... please be careful publicizing this -- mass flagging's a tactic that's been used against minorities on other sites for a long time.

Mgetz

@joran based on what I'm seeing I'm now imagining Shog with a flame thrower

David A

It's not strictly confined to m.se

Shog9

20:38

@Aza I do look at what gets flagged before suspending

user206222

@Shog9 Much appreciated, I trust ya. Just wanted to make sure it wasn't gonna generate absurd amounts of noise.

Shog9

but... The person who was most flagged here was... Not flagged due to minority status.

Just saying.

Shocking, unacceptable behavior for anyone.

I'm truly sorry we didn't catch this sooner.

ArtOfCode

@Mgetz you're telling me there's a time Shog doesn't have his flamethrower handy?

user206222

Yeah, I hear ya.

Mgetz

@ArtOfCode I think he tries to keep it put away and carefully tended for when he needs it

but there are times when burnination is the only solution

SecretAgentMan

20:40

@Shog9 responding to flags

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ArtOfCode

@Mgetz aye, it's a well-cared-for flamethrower, but it's never too far from hand :)

Sébastien Renauld

Okay; At this point I'm going to ask something off-topic but I've been trying to find an answer for weeks now

David A

@SecretAgentMan Why was I expecting the gif of Hank Scorpio with the flamethrower?

ArtOfCode

@DavidA por que no los dos

Sébastien Renauld

How does one inquire to a manufacturer of a soft drink as to whether they have a distributor in a country

as in, what channel would you use

ArtOfCode

20:41

twitter

Sébastien Renauld

Not available

Mgetz

@DavidA me too

ArtOfCode

or, alternatively, someone else's twitter

"asking for a friend" and that

Sébastien Renauld

Also not available

Closest I can get you is vkontakte

Mgetz

@SébastienRenauld you're stuck in russia?

ArtOfCode

20:41

@SébastienRenauld what country and what drinks?

Sébastien Renauld

Georgia, and this:

Flavoured lemonade

Mgetz

@SébastienRenauld I didn't think georgia blocked twitter... or do they get their internet from russia?

Sébastien Renauld

It's not blocked, it's just not popular

SecretAgentMan

@DavidA Shog does it all. Just take your pick (1, 2)

ArtOfCode

@SébastienRenauld facebook?

Sébastien Renauld

20:44

@ArtOfCode Qatar? Thinking face

ArtOfCode

@SébastienRenauld closest I could find within two minutes :P

Sébastien Renauld

I went down that same path and couldn't really find anything

they have a contact form on their website, but it sends literally to /dev/null

Mgetz

ok I need to call it a day

let's not burn down the house over the weekend please folks

ArtOfCode

no promises

might just burn down a little bit of it

Mgetz

I realize renovations might be in order but flame does a bit too much demo

ArtOfCode

20:48

just one corner of a room

Sébastien Renauld

And by to /dev/null

I don't think it gets more /dev/null-y than that

Magisch

@Shog9 Any preference in format of flags?

Just one per thread, or everything that needs going?

R/A flags or custom?

ArtOfCode

flag... all the things!

Meta Andrew T.

Be back in a week~

ArtOfCode

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y'know how I said "let's not" earlier?

that

alcohol was a much more productive subject

Shadow

20:56

I decided to stop being angry. /cc @Bart

Sébastien Renauld

Wasn't there when that happened; my bad

eski

shog pointed this way on the FAQ

Shadow

Being angry achieves nothing.

ArtOfCode

Anyone made any revolutionary alcoholic discoveries recently?

Sébastien Renauld

You want something new to try?

ArtOfCode

20:56

or other beveragial discoveries, for that matter

(that's a word now)

joran

@ArtOfCode Sorry, I can't drink.

Sébastien Renauld

Chouchen

Chouchen (Breton: chouchenn) is an alcoholic beverage popular in Brittany in France. A form of mead, it is made from the fermentation of honey in water. Chouchen normally contains 14% alcohol by volume. Traditionally, buckwheat honey is used, and this imparts chouchen's strong colour and pronounced flavour.In Brittany, the fermentation process is begun by the addition of freshly pressed apple juice. Yeasts can also be used, as in the beer-making process. To reach the required alcoholic strength, for a litre of chouchen, approximately a third of a litre of honey is needed. Chouchen is drunk chilled...

eski

is there anywhere to go to discuss what's going on with the community?

Sébastien Renauld

I can't drink either (legally) but that doesn't mean I don't know a thing or two

Shadow

Now my status is Processing, too lazy to edit my avatar or meta answer though.

ArtOfCode

20:57

@SébastienRenauld Oooo that sounds interesting

@joran non-alcoholic beverages equally welcome :)

user204841

Ok, I just started the deletion process, now I could do with a drink as well. Brb checking the fridge :D

Sébastien Renauld

I've already given suggestions on the non-alcoholic ones

Shadow

@eski we used to do it here, as long as it was kept civil, but not sure now.

Sébastien Renauld

but... let's be real here

if you don't have a georgian restaurant nearby you're SoL on finding it

popkult.org/natakhtari-georgian-soda for the actual description

ArtOfCode

@SébastienRenauld maybe that's how you find it. Got a georgian restaurant nearby who you could go ask about their distributors?

Sébastien Renauld

20:59

I have one

I asked

they sell it for 14zl a bottle

they're not willing to go lower or tell me where to buy it in bulk

Shadow

Looks like you can discuss it in that room: @eski

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Hoping to clear up some confusion

ArtOfCode

@SébastienRenauld damn

Shadow

@joran why? Age?

Sébastien Renauld

@ArtOfCode Now you know why I'm going through all this trouble

and FWIW even tarkhun is worth

tarragon soda sounds lame - it really isn't

ArtOfCode

I'd literally never heard of tarkhun before

Have to see if I can find some over here

eski

21:02

@Shadow thanks, will try to see if anyone can give some insight into community management's behavior there

einpoklum

@eski here? Meta.SE posts?

Sébastien Renauld

@ArtOfCode whereabouts are you, roughly? Can check if there's a friendly neighborhood georgian restaurant in your region

georgian food is really good as well BTW

it's nice, it's full of spices and it's pretty filling

ArtOfCode

@SébastienRenauld north london

Does it bear much similarity to Turkish? I've had... mixed results with turkish

Sébastien Renauld

Remotely influenced

very different though

ArtOfCode

Well I'll have to try it, what a shame

:)

Sébastien Renauld

21:08

littlegeorgia.co.uk/menu/#menu

No lemonade, but they do know what a khachapuri is

so that's already a good sign

Catija

@eski Oooh, maybe I should go and see what the thinking is.

Sébastien Renauld

iberiarestaurant.co.uk @ArtOfCode

Lemonade AND khachapuri

user204841

Just googled and found a georgian restaurant about an hour from here - full of spices sounds good!

ArtOfCode

@SébastienRenauld these look goood. You've put me onto something now :D

Sébastien Renauld

There's so much in eastern cuisine people don't know due to western filtering :-(

it's just like polish cuisine, you literally don't hear about it until you go to poland

Also, if you do end up there, if it's like here the meat dumplings are literally a main course of their own

joran

21:14

@Shadow I have an autoimmune disorder that effects my liver.

ArtOfCode

@SébastienRenauld Right. It bugs me, because I'm unlikely to get the chance to go to most of these interesting places. I've been out of the country maybe five times in the last ten years or so? And two of those barely count - Northern France and the Channel Islands

joran

@ArtOfCode Kombucha is about as close to alcoholic as I can get, and I've actually been enjoying it.

ArtOfCode

@joran There's another thing I've never tried. Heard good things about it, though - I might have to at some point

Sébastien Renauld

@ArtOfCode Turns out you can typically find a restaurant of just about every culture in most places, the hard bit is knowing what to look for

ArtOfCode

Aye. London is huge, too

Sébastien Renauld

21:20

Obviously you won't find the real local stuff

but you'll find close enough

Shadow

@joran oh sorry to hear!

joran

@Shadow I was never big into alcohol anyway, but sometimes I do miss having a beer at social occasions. In the grand scheme of things it's not a huge sacrifice, really.

ArtOfCode

@joran do alcohol-free beers and things work for you?

Heard mixed opinions about those

joran

@ArtOfCode Yeah, that would be fine. Unless people know me well they typically don't have any available though, or I'd have to bring my own, if we're not at a bar or something. Honestly, I haven't tried many, but I probably should.

Sébastien Renauld

@joran I have the same problem but for a different reason, and yeah, it's pretty annoying

ArtOfCode

21:27

Aye. Takeup isn't great either (around me, anyway). Only the big chains really have any alcohol-free options.

Sébastien Renauld

@ArtOfCode not entirely sure about alcohol-free beer; honestly takes like piss, but then again I'm told beer does as well

people don't necessarily drink beer for the taste

ArtOfCode

I'm not your person to go to on that one... I'll happily drink spirits, but I hate beers & co.

Sébastien Renauld

@ArtOfCode There's a really widely distributed apple juice company in this country, where they experimented and mixed other fruits into it

Pressed apple juice with gooseberries

Andras Deak

21:46

@ArtOfCode strawberry schnapps is great

ArtOfCode

@AndrasDeak Yeah. Peach schnapps is one of my favourites

Andras Deak

Yeah, that too. I don't really like alcohol and almost never drink any, but peach and pear and strawberry schnapps can be quite tasty

I only tasted the last one half a year ago

user206222

22:21

I'm going to link this again because there's a noticeable void of concrete references for what transphobia in speech looks like, while the actual amount of sheer, blatant transphobia is blossoming.

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user206222

The Radical Copyeditor's Transgender Style Guide -- a quick primer on how to write in a bias-free way, and how to spot bias in writing you encounter.

user206222

It's worth a careful read. It's pretty dang good at encapsulating the kind of stuff that keeps coming up.

Shog9

22:48

This room needs more beer

godel9

pours beer

Andras Deak

You hear that? Next round is on Shog!

Bryan Krause

Indeed, have we all finished our maerzen for the season?

eski

why is talking about alcoholic beverages so much more important?

Shadow

@Shog9 1000L of beer

@eski to calm things down?

Andras Deak

22:50

it's the secret trick of talking about something else

eski

I don't drink so it's pretty boring to me

Shadow

Quill

bring the happy back to happy hour

Shadow

@eski you can have...

Journeyman Geek

@eski In shog we trust. Also he is probably more awake than I am

Shadow

22:51

!!/coffee eski

SmokeDetector

@Shadow brews a cup of Macchiato for @eski

ArtOfCode

don't mind me

Journeyman Geek

@eski I discovered the wonders of cumin flavoured soda recently

@ArtOfCode Minds

PM 2Ring

I think it's important for people to be flexible, like the Ross sisters. Ok, maybe not quite that flexible. :D

Kevin B

yes, remove only one half

Shadow

22:52

Seriously now... Tavern is the main MSE chat room and place to discuss serious stuff. But when things become heated, it's not worth it.

David A

Beer is serious stuff

Shadow

Heated discussions should be done elsewhere, probably outside SE.

(e.g. starting to throw accusations around)

eski

oh wow, everything except the transphobia rulebook was deleted. All discussion about it deleted..this place is so creepy I'm actually afraid and going to leave now.

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Journeyman Geek

@Shadow I was going to joke Twitter but it's too soon

ArtOfCode

@JourneymanGeek it's never too soon

Shadow

22:54

@eski nothing deleted, just moved to other room. There's big difference.

No flags, for example.

Journeyman Geek

@ArtOfCode humour should heal not pick at scabs imo

ArtOfCode

@JourneymanGeek eh, depends on your mood :)

Shadow

If it would have gone on, flags would likely start flying around.

Journeyman Geek

And I feel like I have some difficult conversations ahead

eski

moved to the trash can?

Shadow

22:55

@eski just a name of a chat room.

Journeyman Geek

@ArtOfCode Preeeeety dark right now

@eski The friendly trash can

ArtOfCode

@JourneymanGeek dark humour it is then :D

eski

this is creepy

Andras Deak

if you scrape off the label that says "trash can" it's really a love can

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David A

In fact, beer is so serious that we have both homebrew.stackexchange.com and alcohol.stackexchange.com

Shadow

22:55

@eski but better than actual deletion after flagging.

eski

it's censorship of a conversation either way

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Journeyman Geek

@eski We don't have a separate space for stuff we need removed and stuff we might not want right now

Shadow

@eski true.

It's not a Free Speech room.

No chat room under SE is.

eski

oh god

so creepy

bye

Andras Deak

bye

Journeyman Geek

22:57

We have no guarantee of free speech. Just earnest attempts to keep things civil. :/

Shadow

bye

David A

I suppose you could let people chat directly in the trash can...

Shadow

@DavidA not really

lol

If you start a fire inside a trash can, it will still burn stuff and do damage.

ArtOfCode

@JourneymanGeek *is tempted to create a "not right now room"*

David A

Yeah it's colloquially referred to as a "dumpster fire".

Journeyman Geek

22:59

Heh

Shadow

OMG seeing some blasts from the past here, e.g. @Quill

How's your hair?? :)

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