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8:00 PM
Yes, but it has been like 12 hours. The user was basically celebrating their freedom to insult.
 
@ModusTollens I've seen flags that were very very much against the CoC go declined too
which puts a chilling effect on the willingness of users to even flag things
 
@RobertHarvey I assume you've seen this tweet?
 
At least it will be happy hour in 3 hours time ...
 
Let's see how the flags go
I guess if they get declined, then talion's law is part of the CoC, yeah?
 
@rene it's always happy hour somewhere ­čŹ╗
 
8:02 PM
Iceland?
 
It's always Iceland on Friday
 
Yes. I don't feel welcome on SE any more and want to leave. Thought I'd give it a few hours to see if being insulting doesn't mean consequences for some users now. My hopes are sinking.
 
it isn't insulting if it's following the same views that the team agrees with.
 
Currently investigating how to leave. I have to delete my profile on every single site, right?
 
@rene not sure where your happy hours start... but most places around here they start at 3-5pm
@ModusTollens don't that's what they want you to do
 
8:04 PM
@ModusTollens The sad part is I still need to access SO and SE from time to time to get answers to my questions. I can't completely leave even if I wanted to. I wish there was an alternate resource.
 
@Mgetz I just want to be happier
 
And yes, you'd have to delete all your profiles, on every single site.
 
@ModusTollens then take some time to completely ignore the dumpsterfire and go hiking?
 
I admit that I cried today, and I'm an old woman :) Pathetic
 
8:06 PM
Crying is fine
 
eh, why bother having everything deleted
 
our society could be better off for having a good cry from time to time
 
@KevinB To prevent the urge of logging in again? :P
 
@ModusTollens If you want to do this, use the contact form. They can take care of that without making you go through every site 1 by 1
 
@Magisch Thanks, I'll do that.
 
8:08 PM
I regret looking at Meta SE
 
@MadScientist Hadn't seen that one.
 
That one seriously pissed off some people
 
eh, it just makes intent clear.
 
@MadScientist Well, yeah. Makes it look like speciously hiding behind an internal policy.
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They'll probably believe I go because I don't respect people. I just want to say that it's not like that at all. Everybody deserves respect. But it has always been possible to discuss things at SE. This seemed to change for some time now, but today it was just too much. Seing no reaction to that vitriol from staff hurts.
 
8:12 PM
@ModusTollens I'd encourage you to sleep on it before you do this
 
I always had some kind of thoughts that recently SE (the company) were being threatened by something...
 
this is literally what they are trying to get people to do
 
@RobertHarvey I just seems extremely hypocritical and pretty much unbelievable given the disregard for any privacy concerns that all their other actions showed
 
@MetaAndrewT. Big companies are always under threat of twitter mobs or medium posts that go viral.
 
@ModusTollens To be fair, the staff are probably overloaded. In any case, I can empathize.
 
8:14 PM
Thanks for being a good online home for over 7 years guys. I wish you all the best. Don't forget to love each other <3
 
@ModusTollens I'm sorry; we're behind - but that's no excuse.
 
It's clear that the CM team isn't big enough to deal with the current rate of flux
 
Engage the Grand-Master Uber LockÔäó. Throw that big knife switch.
 
I hate to say it but setting MSE readonly until a mod election can happen probably isn't the worst thing to do
 
I think we need a flux capacitor to deal with the flux later
 
8:18 PM
16 messages moved to Trashcan
 
@Mgetz MSE doesn't get elections, only appointments
 
let's not
 
"invited to join trashcan"
thaaanks Art
 
you only get that because you're a mod :p
 
@Shog9 does the trashcan have a bottle of whiskey?
 
8:19 PM
eh, i get that a few times a month on main
 
@Shog9 thank you, come again
 
Only certified cookie monsters are allowed to live in trash can.
 
happens any time you move a reply to the trash
 
1 message moved from Trashcan
 
aaand everybody flooda da trashcan
 
8:20 PM
But the trashcan is for dry trash only!
 
seems like a great place to have a conversation
 
Shog moves in mysterious ways - I gots to know
 
Aza
pictured: a dozen hands, all hovering over a large red button labeled "MOD ABUSE," quivering with excitement
 
@Aza sounds like a BDSM plugin for minecraft....
 
nah, it's a big, red, "Don't press this button!" button...
 
8:22 PM
@Aza please, you're missing several exclamation marks and a few 1s for good measure
 
Was my "thanks" and "goodbye" message just trashed?
 
@Mgetz We can put whiskey in the trash
­čąâ
 
1 message moved from Trashcan
 
Heh. Well at least I didn't get kicked this time.
 
not any more it wasn't
 
8:22 PM
Mods, put that whiskey in the trash!
 
probably got swept up in the clicks
 
K, thanks :)
 
@Stevoisiak unless it's <insert brand name here> that's a waste of whiskey
 
@Mgetz It's emoji brand, it's safe to discard
 
@Stevoisiak what if I forget to put it in the trash and accidentally took it home with me instead
 
8:23 PM
Oh eww, movie add on brands are horrible
 
@ArtOfCode Well I take no responsibility for what happens
 
yaaaay happy hour came early
 
­čąé­čąâ
 
1 message moved to ArtOfCode's house
 
I never drink but in light of recent events I'm starting to understand the appeal
 
Aza
8:25 PM
there are sixty of us, it's probably going to be a happy minute or two before the whiskey's gone
 
@Magisch I don't drink a lot, but occasionally it's the right choice
 
But if I drink now, then I'll miss the transport...
 
@Aza I count 32... make that 2-4 minutes
 
@Aza eh... we'll bring a case
 
drowning out my brain sounds like an appealing proposition right now
 
8:26 PM
costco whiskey!
 
­čÜŻ
 
(actually good stuff)
 
@Mgetz the UK equivalent of it, at least, is very good at drowning out one's brain
 
It will be gone as soon as soon you can get it out of the bottle
 
@ArtOfCode irn bru? or is that just scotland
 
8:27 PM
@Mgetz irn bru is a soft drink :P
 
and you're sure it doesn't melt brains?
 
it's also migrating southwards
 
Half of what's in meta is questions people meant to ask on some other site (but for some reason didn't).
 
I need to find myself a supplier of two things here
1. irn bru
 
@DavidA yep, never quite sure why
 
8:28 PM
but no, the equivalent is cheap Asda whisky
 
2. natakhtari lemonade
 
@ArtOfCode Asda whiskey sounds like it includes an automatic ASBO
 
(If you haven't had #2, find yourself a georgian restaurant. That stuff is the drink of gods)
@Mgetz sainsbury's basics vodka wants a word
 
I'm gonna order a portion of the good curry
I really need it right now
 
@Mgetz not quite automatic, though I wouldn't be too surprised if the rozzers keep an eye on its purchase
 
8:29 PM
@S├ębastienRenauld pretty sure they give you the ASBO on purchase in that case
 
@S├ębastienRenauld ha, basics brandy is quite possibly the worst cheap alcohol in existence
 
Well at least the vodka they are trying to keep pure... brandy... oh god
that sounds like a hangover just standing next to it
 
I have a bottle of blue portugal sitting in my home. I don't want to drink it alone though.
 
@Mgetz Vodka has such a huge range to it. Always hated it until I had some of the good stuff.
 
@JohnDvorak drinking alone should be avoided yes
 
8:32 PM
@JohnDvorak *raises glass*
 
@ArtOfCode I have a bottle of grey goose still unopened
not sure what to do with it
 
@ArtOfCode *raises glass*
 
@Mgetz hm... drink it, perhaps?
 
... I hate markdown
 
@ArtOfCode Sainsbury's should market some basics moonshine, I'm sure it'd sell if placed in shops close enough to higher education buildings
 
8:33 PM
@JohnDvorak *\*thing**
 
@ArtOfCode but I have scotch for drinking and I medically can't drink to get drunk
 
@S├ębastienRenauld hell, my university halls had a sainsbury's local built into it
@Mgetz damn
 
I heard they did the same to a department in my former uni @ArtOfCode
 
@S├ębastienRenauld I can see professors asking students to nip down and buy some vodka to use in chem labs..
 
it's like sainsbury's and tesco's literally having an all-out war to buy every defunct pub and reshape them into local shops
 
8:35 PM
you'd get the students coming downstairs in pyjamas, in through the back entrance inside the halls, just to get cheap booze
 
FYI, I'm just deleting any conversation with more than a few flags in it at this point. And a lot of other stuff. This shit got ugly.
 
@Shog9 I saw, honestly kinda warranted but I hope the people throwing the vitriol didn't get away scott-free
 
I'm issuing suspensions too, but not gonna talk about that
 
particularly as a couple of them weren't on their first merry-go-round
 
Flag what needs to be flagged, and folks will get what they need
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8:36 PM
@Shog9 10-4
 
@Shog9 Are you referring mainly to chat, or to Meta in general?
 
@S├ębastienRenauld I'm stealing that. I've always wanted a good alternative to "first rodeo"
 
Aza
@Shog9 Thanks for acting, but... please be careful publicizing this -- mass flagging's a tactic that's been used against minorities on other sites for a long time.
 
@joran based on what I'm seeing I'm now imagining Shog with a flame thrower
 
It's not strictly confined to m.se
 
8:38 PM
@Aza I do look at what gets flagged before suspending
 
Aza
@Shog9 Much appreciated, I trust ya. Just wanted to make sure it wasn't gonna generate absurd amounts of noise.
 
but... The person who was most flagged here was... Not flagged due to minority status.
Just saying.
Shocking, unacceptable behavior for anyone.
I'm truly sorry we didn't catch this sooner.
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@Mgetz you're telling me there's a time Shog doesn't have his flamethrower handy?
 
Aza
Yeah, I hear ya.
 
@ArtOfCode I think he tries to keep it put away and carefully tended for when he needs it
but there are times when burnination is the only solution
 
@Mgetz aye, it's a well-cared-for flamethrower, but it's never too far from hand :)
 
Okay; At this point I'm going to ask something off-topic but I've been trying to find an answer for weeks now
 
@SecretAgentMan Why was I expecting the gif of Hank Scorpio with the flamethrower?
 
@DavidA por que no los dos
 
How does one inquire to a manufacturer of a soft drink as to whether they have a distributor in a country
as in, what channel would you use
 
8:41 PM
twitter
 
Not available
 
@DavidA me too
 
or, alternatively, someone else's twitter
"asking for a friend" and that
 
Also not available
Closest I can get you is vkontakte
 
@S├ębastienRenauld you're stuck in russia?
 
8:41 PM
@S├ębastienRenauld what country and what drinks?
 
Georgia, and this:
Flavoured lemonade
 
@S├ębastienRenauld I didn't think georgia blocked twitter... or do they get their internet from russia?
 
It's not blocked, it's just not popular
 
@DavidA Shog does it all. Just take your pick (1, 2)
 
@S├ębastienRenauld facebook?
 
8:44 PM
@ArtOfCode Qatar? Thinking face
 
@S├ębastienRenauld closest I could find within two minutes :P
 
I went down that same path and couldn't really find anything
they have a contact form on their website, but it sends literally to /dev/null
 
ok I need to call it a day
let's not burn down the house over the weekend please folks
 
no promises
might just burn down a little bit of it
 
I realize renovations might be in order but flame does a bit too much demo
 
8:48 PM
just one corner of a room
 
And by to /dev/null
I don't think it gets more /dev/null-y than that
 
@Shog9 Any preference in format of flags?
Just one per thread, or everything that needs going?
R/A flags or custom?
 
flag... all the things!
 
Be back in a week~
 
6 messages moved to Trashcan
y'know how I said "let's not" earlier?
that
alcohol was a much more productive subject
 
8:56 PM
I decided to stop being angry. /cc @Bart
 
Wasn't there when that happened; my bad
 
shog pointed this way on the FAQ
 
Being angry achieves nothing.
 
Anyone made any revolutionary alcoholic discoveries recently?
 
You want something new to try?
 
8:56 PM
or other beveragial discoveries, for that matter
(that's a word now)
 
@ArtOfCode Sorry, I can't drink.
 
Chouchen (Breton: chouchenn) is an alcoholic beverage popular in Brittany in France. A form of mead, it is made from the fermentation of honey in water. Chouchen normally contains 14% alcohol by volume. Traditionally, buckwheat honey is used, and this imparts chouchen's strong colour and pronounced flavour.In Brittany, the fermentation process is begun by the addition of freshly pressed apple juice. Yeasts can also be used, as in the beer-making process. To reach the required alcoholic strength, for a litre of chouchen, approximately a third of a litre of honey is needed. Chouchen is drunk chilled...
 
is there anywhere to go to discuss what's going on with the community?
 
I can't drink either (legally) but that doesn't mean I don't know a thing or two
 
Now my status is Processing, too lazy to edit my avatar or meta answer though.
 
8:57 PM
@S├ębastienRenauld Oooo that sounds interesting
@joran non-alcoholic beverages equally welcome :)
 
Ok, I just started the deletion process, now I could do with a drink as well. Brb checking the fridge :D
 
I've already given suggestions on the non-alcoholic ones
 
@eski we used to do it here, as long as it was kept civil, but not sure now.
 
but... let's be real here
if you don't have a georgian restaurant nearby you're SoL on finding it
popkult.org/natakhtari-georgian-soda for the actual description
 
@S├ębastienRenauld maybe that's how you find it. Got a georgian restaurant nearby who you could go ask about their distributors?
 
8:59 PM
I have one
I asked
they sell it for 14zl a bottle
they're not willing to go lower or tell me where to buy it in bulk
 
Looks like you can discuss it in that room: @eski

ClearingUpSomeConfusion

Hoping to clear up some confusion
 
@S├ębastienRenauld damn
 
@joran why? Age?
 
@ArtOfCode Now you know why I'm going through all this trouble
and FWIW even tarkhun is worth
tarragon soda sounds lame - it really isn't
 
I'd literally never heard of tarkhun before
Have to see if I can find some over here
 
9:02 PM
@Shadow thanks, will try to see if anyone can give some insight into community management's behavior there
 
@eski here? Meta.SE posts?
 
@ArtOfCode whereabouts are you, roughly? Can check if there's a friendly neighborhood georgian restaurant in your region
georgian food is really good as well BTW
it's nice, it's full of spices and it's pretty filling
 
@S├ębastienRenauld north london
Does it bear much similarity to Turkish? I've had... mixed results with turkish
 
Remotely influenced
very different though
 
Well I'll have to try it, what a shame
:)
 
9:08 PM
No lemonade, but they do know what a khachapuri is
so that's already a good sign
 
@eski Oooh, maybe I should go and see what the thinking is.
 
Lemonade AND khachapuri
 
Just googled and found a georgian restaurant about an hour from here - full of spices sounds good!
 
@S├ębastienRenauld these look goood. You've put me onto something now :D
 
There's so much in eastern cuisine people don't know due to western filtering :-(
it's just like polish cuisine, you literally don't hear about it until you go to poland
Also, if you do end up there, if it's like here the meat dumplings are literally a main course of their own
 
9:14 PM
@Shadow I have an autoimmune disorder that effects my liver.
 
@S├ębastienRenauld Right. It bugs me, because I'm unlikely to get the chance to go to most of these interesting places. I've been out of the country maybe five times in the last ten years or so? And two of those barely count - Northern France and the Channel Islands
 
@ArtOfCode Kombucha is about as close to alcoholic as I can get, and I've actually been enjoying it.
 
@joran There's another thing I've never tried. Heard good things about it, though - I might have to at some point
 
@ArtOfCode Turns out you can typically find a restaurant of just about every culture in most places, the hard bit is knowing what to look for
 
Aye. London is huge, too
 
9:20 PM
Obviously you won't find the real local stuff
but you'll find close enough
 
@joran oh sorry to hear!
 
@Shadow I was never big into alcohol anyway, but sometimes I do miss having a beer at social occasions. In the grand scheme of things it's not a huge sacrifice, really.
 
@joran do alcohol-free beers and things work for you?
Heard mixed opinions about those
 
@ArtOfCode Yeah, that would be fine. Unless people know me well they typically don't have any available though, or I'd have to bring my own, if we're not at a bar or something. Honestly, I haven't tried many, but I probably should.
 
@joran I have the same problem but for a different reason, and yeah, it's pretty annoying
 
9:27 PM
Aye. Takeup isn't great either (around me, anyway). Only the big chains really have any alcohol-free options.
 
@ArtOfCode not entirely sure about alcohol-free beer; honestly takes like piss, but then again I'm told beer does as well
people don't necessarily drink beer for the taste
 
I'm not your person to go to on that one... I'll happily drink spirits, but I hate beers & co.
 
@ArtOfCode There's a really widely distributed apple juice company in this country, where they experimented and mixed other fruits into it
Pressed apple juice with gooseberries
 
9:46 PM
@ArtOfCode strawberry schnapps is great
 
@AndrasDeak Yeah. Peach schnapps is one of my favourites
 
Yeah, that too. I don't really like alcohol and almost never drink any, but peach and pear and strawberry schnapps can be quite tasty
I only tasted the last one half a year ago
 
Aza
10:21 PM
I'm going to link this again because there's a noticeable void of concrete references for what transphobia in speech looks like, while the actual amount of sheer, blatant transphobia is blossoming.
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The Radical Copyeditor's Transgender Style Guide -- a quick primer on how to write in a bias-free way, and how to spot bias in writing you encounter.
It's worth a careful read. It's pretty dang good at encapsulating the kind of stuff that keeps coming up.
 
10:48 PM
This room needs more beer
 
pours beer
 
You hear that? Next round is on Shog!
 
Indeed, have we all finished our maerzen for the season?
 
why is talking about alcoholic beverages so much more important?
 
@Shog9 1000L of beer
@eski to calm things down?
 
10:50 PM
it's the secret trick of talking about something else
 
I don't drink so it's pretty boring to me
 
bring the happy back to happy hour
 
@eski you can have...
 
@eski In shog we trust. Also he is probably more awake than I am
 
10:51 PM
!!/coffee eski
 
@Shadow brews a cup of Macchiato for @eski
 
don't mind me
 
@eski I discovered the wonders of cumin flavoured soda recently
@ArtOfCode Minds
 
I think it's important for people to be flexible, like the Ross sisters. Ok, maybe not quite that flexible. :D
 
yes, remove only one half
 
10:52 PM
Seriously now... Tavern is the main MSE chat room and place to discuss serious stuff. But when things become heated, it's not worth it.
 
Beer is serious stuff
 
Heated discussions should be done elsewhere, probably outside SE.
(e.g. starting to throw accusations around)
 
oh wow, everything except the transphobia rulebook was deleted. All discussion about it deleted..this place is so creepy I'm actually afraid and going to leave now.
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@Shadow I was going to joke Twitter but it's too soon
 
@JourneymanGeek it's never too soon
 
10:54 PM
@eski nothing deleted, just moved to other room. There's big difference.
No flags, for example.
 
@ArtOfCode humour should heal not pick at scabs imo
 
@JourneymanGeek eh, depends on your mood :)
 
If it would have gone on, flags would likely start flying around.
 
And I feel like I have some difficult conversations ahead
 
moved to the trash can?
 
10:55 PM
@eski just a name of a chat room.
 
@ArtOfCode Preeeeety dark right now
@eski The friendly trash can
 
@JourneymanGeek dark humour it is then :D
 
this is creepy
 
if you scrape off the label that says "trash can" it's really a love can
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In fact, beer is so serious that we have both homebrew.stackexchange.com and alcohol.stackexchange.com
 
10:55 PM
@eski but better than actual deletion after flagging.
 
it's censorship of a conversation either way
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@eski We don't have a separate space for stuff we need removed and stuff we might not want right now
 
@eski true.
It's not a Free Speech room.
No chat room under SE is.
 
oh god
so creepy
bye
 
bye
 
10:57 PM
We have no guarantee of free speech. Just earnest attempts to keep things civil. :/
 
bye
 
I suppose you could let people chat directly in the trash can...
 
@DavidA not really
lol
If you start a fire inside a trash can, it will still burn stuff and do damage.
 
@JourneymanGeek *is tempted to create a "not right now room"*
 
Yeah it's colloquially referred to as a "dumpster fire".
 
10:59 PM
Heh
 
OMG seeing some blasts from the past here, e.g. @Quill
How's your hair?? :)
 

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