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12:37 AM
Product support help center on non-product SE sites...
@Shog9 done. I'm sad I couldn't compress it in a tweet
12:53 AM
I think we just read the same meta post...
When a site's main chatroom consists of (a) anti-freeze dummy posts; (b) replies to those posts saying they are not needed.
until Bing-fu is created, then Google-fu freezes...
@Bookends bing Fu is weak. Lycos stall stroll the Earth again!
1:08 AM
Might be strange if I considered Altavista a better image search baaaaaaack then
1:23 AM
Alta Vista was THE search engine
Remember when ask was ask Jeeves and wasn't spammy scum?
1:42 AM
> We did not invent the algorithm. The algorithm consistently finds Jesus. The algorithm killed Jeeves.
The algorithm is banned in China. The algorithm is from Jersey. The algorithm constantly finds Jesus.
This is not the algorithm. This is close.
Thanks xkcd for preserving the loving memory of Jeeves, although this text survives only on some pages like xkcd.com/thing-explainer
On the main page it was replaced some time ago...
> xkcd.com is best viewed with Netscape Navigator 4.0 or below on a Pentium 3±1 emulated in Javascript on an Apple IIGS
at a screen resolution of 1024x1. Please enable your ad blockers, disable high-heat drying, and remove your device
from Airplane Mode and set it to Boat Mode. For security reasons, please leave caps lock on while browsing.
Although elsewhere, a comic is putting Jeeves down.
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3:46 AM
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6:16 AM
Morning folks and nonfolk things
@DavidZ: I am not often on Physics.SE, but I like that approach. It's the same one the mods use on RPG.SE, and it's effective at making sure answers go in the answer area rather than the comment area. We even have an FAQ meta about it there: Should users refrain from answers (or partial answers) in comments?V2Blast 5 hours ago
This ended up being a nice congregation of sites
6:29 AM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ English Language Learning must be the site that links the network together. I recently received this comment there:
Not sure if ELL or SF&F ....... :P — Au101 Feb 5 at 21:57
6:41 AM
Q: Joshua was told to only remove one shoe, from one foot, not feet in Joshua 5:15

Jayrome1Why was Joshua told to only remove one shoe, from one foot, not feet in Joshua 5:15

Someone ask Shog
That's probably on-topic on three different sites.
It could be in topic on one... Maybe 2?
I'd think that three is a lot.
Less than 170
Which is a very big but smaller than what it is.
But most sites are sufficiently unique such that overlap is limited.
6:50 AM
Well if it's about the evolutionary benefits of removing one shoe, it could be on-topic on Biology
Also if it's about foot odor, Chem could work too.
If it's about eating them, then Seasoned Advice.
If it's to automate removing shoes, it could be on-topic for SO, but'd need an MCVE and a snippet from OP removing their shoe
@Alex Mmmm the island survivor's food of choice
I'd almost argue but I remembered that story of mysterious feet washing up somewhere
@JourneymanGeek I admit I could really use a program that automates removing shoes.
Would be hardware not software technically
7:00 AM
I don't care about the rigidity, it could be glassware for all I care
If they can make shoes that connect to your laptop I dunno why this is such a big deal
7:59 AM
@Blue only @rene can, did he reply to you?
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ does he even wear shoes?
@JourneymanGeek was there any post or discussion about nuking the tag?
Not that I care personally, but others do.
Q: Can I learn what [learning] is?

Sonic the Introverted HedgehogThe tag learning on this site seems to have no clear purpose, with questions ranging from "learning how to use the site" to "learning about topics". It seems to meet the definition of a too-broad tag. Should it be removed? Or is there a clear purpose we can define it to?

should be 'unlearn all the [learning]', but meh
@Bookends yeah, good enough in this form too. :)
8:14 AM
Can I please get some insight as to why my comment on this post was deleted?
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog what did you write in the comment?
If you want only mod answer, flag please.
Otherwise, give more details so we mortals have chance to help as well. :)
@ShadowWizard Flags are for asking for action, not just for asking questions.
@ShadowWizard Yeah, he did. I made him a RO there and I think he's working on KennyBot a bit, since we won't be needing all its features just to keep a room alive.
@Blue hehe yeah, you don't want a bot who can pee in your room, I guess. :D
8:17 AM
Or... do you? ;)
Peeing every 14 days should be sufficient too. ;)
@ShadowWizard A link to the FAQ on why the site permits other users to edit posts, and a summary from there that it's considered rude for authors to revert changes that make improvements.
@Blue hehe, less than that:

Kenny keeping the room warm

yesterday, 1 day 2 hours total – 6 messages, 2 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked 17 secs ago by Shadow Wizard

Should be 16 hours, still buggy.... but no big deal. :D
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog not very friendly.
@ShadowWizard Those weren't my words; those were from the FAQ (and I didn't edit them in there)
Something like "please don't rollback valid edits" is enough, and if not helping, flag asking to lock the question and that is it.
I also went into such things more than once in the past, it never ends well.
@Blue I am amazed that site still exists...
8:25 AM
@Blue umm, I realized the HNQ Feed didn't spout this 4-hour long Android.SE HNQ today, perhaps because the RSS feeds only returns 30 random HNQ instead of the full 100...
@ShadowWizard that's something I am slowly sneaking in place
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog last bit is unkind. Other comments cover same ground
> SE may not be the site for you
@Bookends IIRC there's a secret URL used for the app that has a list of all 100 HNQs at once. @Glorfindel can tell you more
Isn't really a call anyone should be making
@Mithrandir stackexchange.com/hot-questions-for-mobile , I wrote that answer :)
Contrast that with @ShadowWizard's comment
8:31 AM
but that uses JSON, I'm not sure Chat Feeds like that...
@JourneymanGeek yeah @Book already linked to the MSE post
@ShadowWizard in general
Did the same with the vampire tag
I'd like to have a trail for tag burniation
bread crumbs trail is better ;)
uh oh we have an upset SE dev!
man, if I file an issue complete with a screen recording demonstrating the issue, the fuggin' *least* you can do is watch the damn thing.
Hope he didn't try asking on SO.... ;)
MSE needs something like this?
Q: Clean up of run-together/hyphenated and singular/plural tags

GillesThe Stack Exchange user interface now prevents creating tags that differ only in hyphenation or pluralization. This hasn't always been so, however, and there are currently many such tag pairs, like log-files and logfiles, or digits and digit, or menuitem and menu-items. Let's clean up! Clean up...

8:47 AM
@ShadowWizard ex SE dev
@JourneymanGeek huh?? oh.. :(
So it's OK, no risk in him being upset. :P
@Bookends nope
@ShadowWizard works for ubiquity now
@JourneymanGeek Ubiquity is a software...
You mean Ubiquiti?
Ubiquiti Networks is an American technology company started in 2005. Based in New York, NY, Ubiquiti manufactures wireless data communication products for enterprise and wireless broadband providers with a primary focus on under-served and emerging markets. == Products == Ubiquiti sells wired and wireless networking products under multiple brand names. The company also sells grid-tied solar kits. Ubiquiti's first product line was its "Super Range" mini-PCI radio card series, which was followed by other wireless products. The company's Xtreme Range (XR) cards operated on non-standard IEEE 802.11...
> UniFi Network Dev for @ubnt
@ShadowWizard yes. Blame autocorrect
8:52 AM
@Bookends Oh, darn!
@Glorfindel Do you happen to know which URL we need to use to get all the 100 HNQs?
@Bookends Are those 30 random HNQs the ones which appear in the side-bar though?
Are are they a separate set?
8:57 AM
@JourneymanGeek That was a quote from the FAQ
If you didn't like that part, you could have edited it out.
Meh. There's a difference from it being in the FAQ and from someone personally telling you that
And Shadow's comments covered the same ground
@Bookends I wonder if their is any way to convert a JSON feed into a RSS feed.
And I felt that I could quietly and simply handle it with no need to hit you over the head with unkind.
A: Convert JSON to RSS via Web API?

Maggie YingYou could implementing your own RSS or Atom custom MediaTypeFormatter. You can implement it so that the request will use this formatter when the accept header is set to application/atom+xml or application/rss+xml. Filip has a blog describing this: RSS & Atom MediaTypeFormatter for ASP.NET WebAPI

I don't understand most of the words there, but it seems possible.
9:03 AM
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog so. I'm trusted to know better. I made the decision to based on my best judgement. I don't think it's in any way sensible for me to ping people every time I delete a comment.
@JourneymanGeek agree with you on this one.
@Blue the sidebar uses the same source as the homepage which is also used by the mobile JSON API, but the sidebar is randomized every refresh, while the HNQ RSS is... I dunno how it chooses the questions ._.
@Bookends Randomize();?
@Bookends ;_;
@ShadowWizard It's randomized, but also cached :/
9:05 AM
If I felt the core of the comment still needed addressing, I would.
Oh no! Earth is going to be destroyed due to.... bananas!
Q: Antimatter particle in bananas

SalazarI recently came to know that banana produces antimatter. How does this happen and why doesn't the antimatter annihilate as our Earth has matter. I looked for a relevant answer but could not find it.

... that's bananas
last time I know, it's radioactive, not antimatter...
i mean, you could be spiderman bananaman for too much eating
Or become a giant yellow muscular monster when angry....
Q: Stack2RSS - A JSON to RSS Conversion Service [Now Fully Open Source!]

Nathan Osman New Location The site has moved here: http://stack2rss.quickmediasolutions.com/   Stack2RSS About Stack2RSS is a small service that when given an API query, generates an RSS feed that you can then subscribe to in your RSS reader. The inspiration for this application came ...

9:11 AM
@Bookends This might solve the problem. ^
I wonder what the {query} part would be.
If I'm reading it correctly, that uses SE API query, but this HNQ API is not under SE API (I know it's confusing and annoying!), so I'm sure either that might help
also, that site looks borken :/
http 500 - internal server error, every time I try the example?
@Bookends Which site?
the stack2rss one
It's working for me...
9:19 AM
@Bookends This is the link.
@Bookends Oh, yes. That doesn't seem to be work.
10:07 AM
@ShadowWizard I will downvote(!) some of your posts and check if that reputation summary box show anything or not
Go ahead :D
still shown :/
user gets banned for science
meh, looks like I was wrong, also OP didn't even mean the reputation tab but just the small widget in the "main" profile page.
Will delete the answer.
oh, okay, it works as intended (sorry Chris Osiak for downvoting you just for science!)
10:15 AM
darn, caching at the best... it didn't update instantly even after I upvoted once...
trying to find legitimate post for doing science
@ShadowWizard .... That sandbox post... Has like 1600 deleted comments
10:32 AM
@Blue it's the one Andrew T linked to above, see meta.stackexchange.com/a/280365/295232
10:44 AM
@JourneymanGeek How do you even get that many comments on one post? xd
@Asuna it's the sandbox
oh ^^"
That one
@Glorfindel Yeah, but that's the JSON feed. SE chat rooms don't support that. I'm guessing we'll need a server side script to convert JSON to RSS and return a XML.
Otherwise, the RSS feed SE has only returns a random 30 out the 100 HNQs.
@JourneymanGeek o.O
10:54 AM
Searching for "Node.js JSON to XML" gives a few results, but I don't know how we can make it a server side script,
@ShadowWizard yup
@JourneymanGeek winter comment bash ...
posted on MSO, got migrated to MSU, posted on MSO again, ???, unprofit!
11:10 AM
Hm. Link?
@JourneymanGeek this 'poor' user :(
@Bookends ah. I knew who.
That is a MSO question, thought of remarkably similar nature to the one on MSU
11:43 AM
> please go tilt at another windmill
hah, a recommendation I might make in the future
11:56 AM
@Bookends MSE got windmills too.
@rene Does this still work?
Only one way to find out
@Blue I think it does, yes
in SOCVR Testing Facility on Stack Overflow Chat, Aug 26 '18 at 16:57, by rene
I like how my testing of the HNQ feeds still works ....
12:06 PM
@rene Aha. So does it still have the problem of "picking random 30"? Or does it return all the HNQs?
I checked on Physics. It seems to contain all the current HNQs (3) from there.
I think lackadaisical-appeal.glitch.me/hnq/+ ('plus' sign adding all sites?) will show all 100 HNQ
@Bookends Yes, that contains exactly 100 items!
@Bookends does it? I'm awesome!
So that solves our problem I think? :D
12:14 PM
@rene You sure are. :)
either '+' or '-' without arguments does, whether it's a bug or not :D
definitely not spec'd
oh, it modifies 'title', lol lackadaisical-appeal.glitch.me/hnq/…
Set it up in the HNQ room now. Solves one major trouble,
Now just gotta keep the room alive!
12:22 PM
@Blue Generic Bot will keep it alive. It is already set up to do so.
@rene Oh, Floern already set it up? Noice! How frequently will it post there? :)
Once every few days I guess. At least once before if freezes.
Awesome! :)
@Blue might be better if you could credit rene's glitch on your answer?
(that sounds... weird)
@Bookends I'm already in the process of editing it. ;)
12:43 PM
@Bookends with @rene, even his glitches are golden. :P
@ShadowWizard Considering your odd love for certain golden things, I'm not sure he should take that as a compliment.
@Bookends Done! Hope I didn't miss anything. :)
@Blue looks great! ;)
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ sure it is! Gold is gold, no matter where it is. :D
1:41 PM
If you look up the UrbanDictionary you'll see silence is golden, amongst other things; then there's Pactolus.
1:59 PM
@Rob and what is the color of magic?
A cowardly wizard whom is roped into a life of adventure?
@ShadowWizard octerine?
Brown! ☕
@ShadowWizard Rainboom uwu
@JourneymanGeek typo proves you didn't just Google it, so yeah, nice! ;)
(octarine is the answer)
@Rob -1 not a color ;)
@Derpy probably saw it ^
2:13 PM
I remember that episode ^^"
@ShadowWizard I own every single discworld novel
@JourneymanGeek whoa.... impressive! There are LOTS. I read about 20 or so, think I still got about 5 somewhere in the house.
Talking about MLP, my kids no longer watch it, something/somebody else took their attention away from it:
So now they watch this all day long.... o_O
:7546162 hmm? Didn't have chance to read it, just saw -10 something? :(
Google your question
> "Octarine" is a color name coined by Terry Pratchett in his Discworld novels. Octarine is said to be the color of magic, as it is apparent in the crackling and shimmering of light. The word refers to the "eighth color," in a spectrum of black, blue, green, yellow, purple, orange, and red.
@Journeyman wrote "octerine" which is typo, proving he didn't copy and paste. :)
(but rather he wrote it out of memory)
2:20 PM
You should have said: What is the color of magic in "The Color of Magic"? - if you wanted the color.
@Rob huh, didn't even know it's made into TV show! lol. Is it worth watching?
I read the book.... many years ago.
@ShadowWizard I haven't seen the book or the movie, but the movie scored 7.1/10 from over 8500 people so I guess the DvD is worth it - whether it's worth $50+ to see it in the Theatre is another question.
2:35 PM
So wasn't the book about "A cowardly wizard whom is roped into a life of adventure"?
@Rob hehe, yeah. Sadly the -1 is locked now unless post message is edited so I can't reverse the vote. :P
That's OK, I won't downvote you.
@Rob -10 for no reason
You will need to read more than one sentence to gain the context.
heh, no onebox is twitter? Expected there would be.
@Rob think she did
2:47 PM
I did
This is awesome:
I'll relieve everyone enduring that for the next hour, as chat feed is slow ATM.
@Rob yeah, removed is always awesome. :P
3:06 PM
@Asuna awesome!
@ShadowWizard Wanna see a magic trick?
3:23 PM
@Asuna sure!
Will you make @Rob disappear? ;)
Behold as I change the color of this message (~-.-)~
Or.... cut him in half? :D
Magic :p
@Asuna whoa.... awesome!11!!!1!!1!!!! +100
3:27 PM
Here is some real magic!
Does this tag URL work for anyone?
Tag synonyms should redirect to the one it's a synonym of, right?
@Asuna work in what sense? It redirects to stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/contains
So it's just me xd
@Asuna what do you mean? It's a synonym: stackoverflow.com/tags/contains/synonyms
I know, that's why I find this weird
3:36 PM
@Asuna oh, yup
@Asuna maybe you have the new new new nav enabled?
@ShadowWizard yeah
Try to disable it and see what happens if so.
Eh, it took forever to activate though xd
So, bug report. :D
(MSO, no new new new nav on other sites.)
(I think?)
welp, the screenshot is from meta
same issue on SO
Works fine in a private window
yeah, deactivating it does nothing
Still shows up as "active" xd
So the 6-8 applies
3:40 PM
And it's the custom question lists-thingy, right?
@Asuna MSE, turns out it's there too
(the option, I don't dare to try yet lol ;))
Even though it's Brian... so I bet all bugs will be fixed ASAP.
oh it's already reported
Q: Clicking on the synonym tag throws error page about cookies

ArulkumarIn the Tag Synonyms page, if I clicked on any of the tag under the Synonym section, it throws the following error page. For example: duplicates. The error message in plain text as: The page isn’t redirecting properly An error occurred during a connection to meta.stackexchange.com. ...

@Asuna ^
sniped xd
The duplicates redirect works?
the 6-8 caught up
It opted me out (so ti's currently disabled), and all redirects work fine
So yeah, it's the custom question lists
Edit your comment and add that info then. :)
The cultural differences between Europeans and Americans on this thread about StackOverflow mishandling 1500 email addresses are pretty fascinating. https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/379804/please-dont-share-my-e-mail-with-amazon-without-my-express-consent The Americans (I assume) are like "meh, don't do it again". The Europeans are talking million-euro fines.
I just hope there'll be fewer lame contests because nobody can be sent anything anymore.
3:58 PM
@Mrs.Robinson eh. Some of us like lame contests and silly swag
oh no xd
Besides, that wasn't even a contest.
oof, haven't gotten it xd
@JourneymanGeek actually that's not even a contest, it's a survey. Very different. /cc @Mrs.Robinson
Swag for contests is sent by SE, not Amazon.
For now... who knows what will happen in the future. lol
@ShadowWizard surveys that exclude me I am ambivalent on ;p
4:02 PM
Maybe they'll let Amazon send it with drones. :D
@ShadowWizard actually even not that's direct
They have a company that handles it
@JourneymanGeek meaning?
@JourneymanGeek oh, yeah, got email from a manager in that company when the swag got stuck at customs.
They're good.
@ShadowWizard pretty certain SE literally goes 'send this address these things,' and a vendor makes it so
Printex, Inc is the company. :)
> I work with Stack Overflow on the fulfillment of some of their gifts. They are trying to send you a Cheese Board and it is stuck in customs. They are waiting on you to call your Local DHL facility to clear up some final paper work. If you can please call them that would be great.

> Please let me know if you have any questions.
4:05 PM
I do agree they need to add to the swag contest posts some small reminder that such emails might be sent, and one agree to get them by posting an answer.
@ShadowWizard rip
It's all cleared up, DHL just needed my ID number.
Cheese Board arrived safely.
I suppose. I actually consider it nbd
Now stashed safely in a cupboard. :P
> We expected to get 500 developers to test the 2019 Developer Survey, and instead we got nearly 1,500. Fulfilling the gift cards ended up being a lot more work than we expected for our very small Marketing team.
... how do you accidentally get 1000 more testers than expected? xd
4:10 PM
By working in Marketing
@Asuna By not keeping track and ending the test on time? Or sending out too many invitations, expecting a certain response rate that's exceeded... there's lots of ways I guess :P
There could still be a hard limit and anyone beyond that doesn't get access
@ShadowWizard I have a box of 'extra' swag at the moment ;p
SO mug and sippy cup (I prefer the proper water bottles) and a bunch of stickers
@JourneymanGeek start your own contest..... ;)
The Unofficial Journey-SO Swag Competition™️
4:19 PM
SU actually
meh, I tried ^^"
Or MSE now that he's a top user mod. :P
But it's SO swag 🤔
@Asuna no, all sites got swag
e.g. mod hats
Do all sites have SO mugs as swag?
4:24 PM
SO just got more contests. ;)
@Asuna oh, no... just hats, stickers, etc. I think.
Mugs are indeed SO only, probably.
Because SO mugs were specified in the message
Wait... what message?
Got it for a ux survey thing
@JourneymanGeek SO mug?? lol
@Asuna there's su and so mugs
I got both
4:26 PM
11 mins ago, by Journeyman Geek
SO mug and sippy cup (I prefer the proper water bottles) and a bunch of stickers
@ShadowWizard the joke is... I picked swag over an Amazon gift card
@JourneymanGeek Oh ^^"
I use the SU mug
@Asuna ohhh
@JourneymanGeek lol
Stickers are from a few places
4:30 PM
@JourneymanGeek Maybe stickers are the answer!
But what's the question?
Stickers is the new 42
Does anybody know what happened to the old-old close reasons "subjective and argumentative", "no longer relvant". They seem to have disappeared somewhere between 2009 and the close reason changes (NARQ+NC->TB,POB,Unclear).
Q: Close reasons have gone missing, previously closed as such affected

fretjeI think this has something to do with the recent change regarding close reasons. Some of the reasons have gone (unintentionally?) missing: On Super User, I no longer see the "no longer relevant" reason. And on Meta, there are even only three left, namely "dupe", "not SO related" and "too local...

@Mrs.Robinson thanks, I searched but maybe I used the wrong keywords :)
4:39 PM
> By design.

> We are merging close reasons; there were too many, and they were redundant.
how is it no longer relevant? No other user in the world will ever have that problem? If so, then see "too localized" — Jeff Atwood Feb 8 '10 at 11:00
Except now we don't have "too localized" either.
If so, then see "downvote".
I miss Jeff.
@Mrs.Robinson doubt Jeff miss us. ;)
Think he got tied up in SO.
His latest blog post is a (long long long) article on SO, past, present and future. blog.codinghorror.com/…
Which is a lot more interesting than what the current Chancellor posted on so.blog
or was that Prime Minister
It's now five years and three days since Jeff announced he was leaving, and he's still the top author on MSE
That's a crazy amount of work, mostly in less than 3 years
@Asuna apparently a $5 amazon gift card is worth a lot more to some folks than anyone involved expected. Probably worth keeping in mind that this is a world-wide audience next time.
4:55 PM
Don't you just hate when the enter button just gets in the way? xd
@Shog9 yeah, but still, when there's an intended 500 people that from the meta post seems like a "we can't handle more" than a "this is a minimum", a hard limit could keep it down
@Asuna keep in mind, this survey wasn't hosted on SO (which... caused a fair number of other problems too)
@Shog9 xD
So you send a bunch of emails out with links, and... hope folks don't share those links
Those were sharable?
Again, not hosted on SO
4:58 PM
Kinda at the mercy of whatever the survey company allows / doesn't prohibit
Chalk it up to a learning experience, I guess
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