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12:20 AM
Or getting gold badges ;)
12:43 AM
@ArtOfCode Shadow is one of a couple users who explicitly accepts this type of ping.
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog broader points though
- assuming he's free
- you're basically using pings to do things you haven't earned the ability to, ironically in an attempt to curate things...
And that tendency to justify as $user dosen't mind does get you in trouble a lot
1:02 AM
Someone posted an answer to a that actually attempts to answer the quoted question, not the recommendation question: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/323054/…
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2:03 AM
huh, morning...
2:31 AM
Not about Stack Exchange Network software Swift 4 alamofire upload images with parameters‭ - mahmoud AbdlAziz‭ 2019-01-29 02:24:03Z
2:45 AM
@Sonic I see your canned comment on blatantly OT questions. Wanna try out Glorfindel's userscript? Auto comment (if no existing comment) + Auto CV + Auto down + Auto del
@ɪBᴜɢ I don't like the canned comment built in to that user script, and there's no way to change it.
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog You can modify that userscript directly :)
Beat me to it.
In your Tampermonkey / Greasemonkey editor
@ɪBᴜɢ Meh. I'd rather not see Doom references inside SE
2:55 AM
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog Doom?
You haven't played that video game?
Nope, didn't play
Probably not my genre
My inventory: GTA Series, The Witness, World of Goo, Human Resource Machine, Polarity, Portal (1/2), etc.
@ɪBᴜɢ Doom is a first-person shooter, originally released in 1993 for MS-DOS and 5th-generation consoles, then re-released in 2016 for 8th-generation consoles.
oh, FPS, then, not my game :(
I play primarily puzzling ones, with a small selection of action (GTA).
@ɪBᴜɢ It's also a puzzle game...find the right way out while killing any enemies you encounter on the way. The DOS version isn't very violent and is often enjoyed by people who don't normally like FPS games.
3:04 AM
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog sounds like worth a try. I also recomment The Witness
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6:40 AM
@Tinkeringbell I knew this!
7:36 AM
26 messages moved to Chimney
sunrise ...
7:49 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body (97): iPhone Backing Up ✏️ by Chip on apple.SE
@rene Quite late :P Morning!
sunshine ...
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad ns for domain in body (98): who is richest beggar in the world? by umesh prajapati on mathoverflow.net
@Tinkeringbell Heh, I had the train 7:24 ... The alarm went at 5:30 .... Morning! ;)
8:03 AM
@Mith why did you trash that though? Wasn't it a genuine question?
Setting snooze duration to 3 minutes is apparently more effective than 5/10/30 minutes...
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ reasons
I'm not questioning your action
I'm questioning your action
I'm questioning your question ಠ_ಠ
@andmyself Waking up with the first ringing is more effectiver
Of course it could have been a trick question, ending up in the asker derailing the conversation to a rant about a certain site's mods
But "could"
Unless I'm missing something
@andmyself Have you seen my other blue pen?
8:07 AM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Or are simply not privy to history-related things...
Yeah that's what missing something means Shakespeare
A: Can we flesh out /help/someone-answers a bit more?

Robert CartainoNot an official answer, but a personal, philosophical response — Over the years, we've had a tendency to bury (or completely omit) system responses to inadvisable actions which don't necessarily warrant a full-on confrontation with a user. For example: surface flags you received serial voting ...

Has a point. Smoothing the learning curve is the welcoming thing to do that doesn't hurt either side
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I has it
@andmyself I KNEW IT. Give it back, I need to solve some chem questions
And I'm not sure tweaking help is going to smooth it up all that much
@rene You take two hours to get from bed to train? :/
gave the red pen
8:13 AM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Right, which is why this particular request is much less powerful without the linked request. If the linked request is implemented, this one becomes more helpful.
People have this attitude that stuff written in help etc. is just a list of boilerplate and unhelpful responses thrown at their face so the mod/veteran user doesn't have to explain things
That is true but the perspective is not helping
So they won't read it
It's a classical and universal issue
Or their mind won't accept it
"read the docs" is used everywhere and very rarely actually has the desired effects
@Tinkeringbell I had to create the sprint review slide-deck ... before I jumped on the train ...
8:15 AM
@rene Ah.
@Tinkeringbell Lest you haven
Those are always fun to make (not)
. . . 't noticed, flowers stick to the ground
So the first hour is digging up his roots
Am I the outlier that I want the tour page to be reformed a little bit?
@andmyself You're the outlier
But not in that case
Unless I'm an outlier too
8:28 AM
We are all outliers
What if everyone is an outlier? You don't see too many dots in the middle of a circle
Outliers united
I suck at soccer
Or maybe I socc at sucker
@andmyself I kinda like the tour
I feel help is unwieldy
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Heh. And here am I, writing answers saying 'automated feedback doesn't make much sense to me' :P
8:42 AM
@Tinkeringbell but you're a software developer. Everything should be automated ;p
@JourneymanGeek Only if it's actually useful? I mean, I'm not going to automate when my PC starts up and shuts down :P
Or when the shower starts/stops
@Tinkeringbell .... I totally have a plan on how to do the former...
and I can see the value on doing the latter with a water heater ;p
@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog If you like, I can fork Glorfindel's userscript in my repo, and provide a different canned comment.
@ɪBᴜɢ and different link name... because he doesn't want to have 'lost soul' on SE...
easy to change too
9:20 AM
Pretty :)
I still have this one on a TODO list ;)
today in screw you browser: ignoring explicit instructions to invalidate the cache
10:05 AM
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11:08 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer (86): How do I change the email address used for Google Play? by Rahul on android.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, blacklisted user (155): How do I change the email address used for Google Play? by Rahul on android.SE
11:54 AM
Why are users allowed to to vote in meta sites using their association bonus?
Every meta has a different set of rules and everything
Like the homework policy is interpreted differently on math chem and phy
Similarily for the community promotion ads
I don't think anyone's (any community) is exploiting this but only regulars/users that have earnt the right to vote should be able to do so (without the association bonus)
Sounds like posting a feature request to MSE would be best to address that
be sure to check if it's been asked before
@Magisch There already are a few. I'm reading them now, trying to find out the reasons why the voting system works as it works.
Q: Require reputation earned on the main site to vote on a per-site meta

Mad ScientistUpvoting requires 15 reputation, but the association bonus is taken into account, so if you have at least 200 reputation on any site, you can upvote on all sites in the network. This is a bit problematic when it comes to per-site metas. The votes there are used to gauge the opinion of the commun...

Q: The association bonus should not enable users to vote on every site

Mad ScientistThe number of upvotes for a question is a flawed measure of question quality, one particular issue is that the amount of exposure a question gets matters a lot. Questions that were linked in the hot questions list tend to get an enormous amount of votes, much more than any questions gets organica...

Extra Bizarre: Assoc bonus voters can upvote but not downvote, skewing vote totals heavily
> SE has declined blanket restrictions on voting before, and I can understand that.
Nice link, much helpful :P
I'll do more digging later, I got actual work to do :P
And I still need to go dinner shopping, mom forgot half of the groceries again.
I've also felt that there should be vote down on comments as well
12:05 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (94): What kind of planes are on this old photo? by AGARWAL A-ONE PACKERS on aviation.SE
@AvnishKabaj That's called a flag. If a comments isn't useful, it can usually go. :P
Users post snarky could comments I've flagged them countless times
But they always get some upvotes because generally they are having a newbie
They need to know that it's not cool
And I'm tired of pinging them in the chat, gave up a couple of months ago
*hazing not having
@AvnishKabaj Keep flagging. Three validated unkind flags in a week trigger a moderator flag ;)
If they're spread over more time, perhaps use a custom flag.
@Tinkeringbell notes down info
In the end, this is something moderators need to fix.
12:09 PM
I can't catch all the comments
@Magisch That's no secret ;)
I'm an information based organism :p
@AvnishKabaj True. That's always going to be a bit of a problem, and that's where you have community for. No single user should moderate everything
If you feel other people aren't doing enough and you regularly end up flagging unkind, older comments, perhaps it's time to raise an issue on a site specific meta first?
The meta is dead on chem
@AvnishKabaj That's not good. :/
12:12 PM
I'm the newest 3k+ user
Since two years
meta is dead on a lot of sites
Actually that's both vaguely why the association reputation dosen't matter that much
Association reputation indicates you get the system roughly
and you need a certain level of engagement in a site to do meta
I assume @ShadowWizard will be happy to discover that the second spammy profile wasn't deleted.
wait... what?
what woot?
@Derpy yay! checking
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ nah, this can't be turned into Den, walls are too thick.
12:31 PM
@JourneymanGeek flagged two profiles, first one was clearly abusive, second one had just a somehow questionable picture and some text in foreign language. Second one was left.
reflag please
I looked at the flag and I totally don't see the second
or post and delete here, its probably faster ;)
... already reflagged, didn't see the message sorry
but... you know, this may be actually good.
I am starting to see a pattern with some old odd flagging issues.
if the link to the user profile isn't displayed in your mod interface... then we know that links with weird encoding somehow manage to break the UI
also, small disclaimer
Don't really know if it is indeed trying to advertise bad stuff or is just a somehow questionable picture choice, would require checking the link in the profile and I am currently unable to do so
anyway, time for the weekly "Why are you doing this?" Trivia pop-quiz
Without using reverse image search
can anyone guess what this "lovely" piece of merchandise would be?
(Disclaimer: the Scold button still works.)
- Generally most people know not to be rude or abusive, or they find out why not quickly. That leaves three other flags for comments, the custom Mod flag (which requires reviewing the accused history, and for Sealioning that's a non-starter). The other two choices are: `It's unfriendly or unkind. - This comment is rude or condescending. Learn more in our Code of Conduct.
It's no longer needed.` ***and*** `This comment is outdated, conversational or not relevant to this post.` --- Again, snarky or poorly thought out (if you want to call them "dumb" that's up to you) comments generally are wo
12:47 PM
Woah. Too much markup
Don't know why it looks borked on my browser too. Fortunately you can process markdown. :)
I can deal with markup. I can't deal with (see full text). Too much work to click it :P
@Derpy curtain rods?
It was an attempt to separate quoted text from the flag dialog with the portions that I wrote. The comments we see skirt the line finely to avoid falling into a category that one can make a complaint under and be accepted. The mastercraftsman practices elsewhere before coming here.
Multiline chat messages aren't processed with markdown.
12:56 PM
My last two comments were all one 'chat entry box worth' of input, the markdown wasn't split over two messages. I don't know why it took so big a block the first time, I was waiting for the "This message is too long" message that never came.
@JourneymanGeek nope, much smaller
want a (not so useful) hint?
A wand
@Rob There's a line break after 'Code of Conduct' now. That's why it doesn't show nicely
And I need to learn to type
I just glad that I managed to type that without getting nailed by autocorrect.
@Rob What are you talking above? Auto correct is the beast thing their is.
1:02 PM
@Rob somehow close. It is the replica of an anime character staff, but I am more interested in seeing if anyone can guess what is it intended purpose (of the replica, not the original staff)
Putting a line break there is going to foil the backquote markup. Here is an example of backquote markup.
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ 0.01% of the time it's funny, 90% of the time it's useful; it's the other ~10% that I object to.
The replica looks like a pipe.
@Derpy tooth pick?
It's catija!
a cataclysmic catastrophe leaving everyone catatonic
1:22 PM
^ Feline with existential crisis
1:37 PM
resisting urge to throw stick
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer (53): Is it possible to create a tool that reads smart contracts and check if it's safe? ✏️ by Neville Grech on ethereum.SE
🦊 < woof... meow...
@JourneymanGeek sorry was afk for a while
but Yep, I will accept that
Actually, it is an earpick, but you were close enough.
(I thought we don't want to go on this same topic again?)
didn't even knew the meaning of that word, had to google it
but... nope, just some weird attempt at selling Digimon themed collectibles
the earpick is actually modeled to look like Angemon's staff
apparently, it also cost about 40$
1:47 PM
cheap, for a celestial weapon
I think one could probably find a decent enough figure of the actual character for that price
@andmyself stick it deep enough, and you get ear and brain surgery, cheap....
@Derpy blah, earpicks would be unfair. Most westerners are trained never to stick anything in their ears ever.
And asians go "let me stick this tiny spoon in my ear"
yeah, Japanese went "ear pick cafe" instead
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body (64): How to transfer money by kazem zarepour on money.SE
When I was a kid I wondered how deep my finger can go into my ear.
1:52 PM
@SmokeDetector who doesn't want "500,000,000,000.00 (FIVE HUNDRED BILLION US)"
@Derpy apparently was an... astroturf supplier
of all things.
@SmokeDetector K
@andmyself Well, to me, only one America is enough trouble as-is
@JourneymanGeek the second user?
the vietnamese one
Save $40 and get a Hana pikkā
1:54 PM
Richest man on the planet with an Iranian username needs help transferring money. You'd wonder how he got that in the first place
Maybe the Bill Gates guy helped him for charitable purposes
@JourneymanGeek Wait, what?
Also, we use cotton swabs, so I wouldn't say we don't clean our ears out... we just don't have $40 tools for it.
@Catija we use those too
Apparently you shouldn't ;p
As long as you're careful, it's fine. Mostly.
but earpicks terrify me
1/2 a trillion in $100 bills equals 789.141414 miles of cash.
2:01 PM
but apparently there's stuff that's oil based you pour into your ear and that softens the earwax or something
that's what Japanese provides... and costs US$40 ...
@Catija my GP explicitly recommended against swabs
oh oh
Ear candling, also called ear coning or thermal-auricular therapy, is an alternative medicine practice claimed to improve general health and well-being by lighting one end of a hollow candle and placing the other end in the ear canal. Medical research has shown that the practice is both dangerous and ineffective and does not help remove earwax or toxicants. == Safety and effectiveness == Edzard Ernst has published critically on the subject of ear candles, noting, "There is no data to suggest that it is effective for any condition. Furthermore, ear candles have been associated with ear injuries...
"Lets stick a burning candle in my ear!"
Alternative medicine always cracks me up
Swabs are not recommended:
2:07 PM
@JourneymanGeek oh, that one! I watched one doctor on YouTube demonstrating this and... it worsen the situation ._.
The idea is the real drugs have side effects and they elevate this and that in your blood, so let's instead focus on doing harm we can see with our eyes
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ the only folk remedies I believe in taste good. ;p
For starters, consuming any substance will increase its own concentration in the bloodstream.
No not necessarily
2:09 PM
@SmokeDetector Why?
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Title - Position 15-22: Ecoflex
either that, or it passes through without effect
OK I can only imagine . . .
... other than mechanical effects, which are always adverse
@JohnDvorak there are quite a lot of drugs that undergo lots of changes before entering the blood, so you can't really say it's the chemical in the pill whose conc. increases
And well, a little -O-H group makes all the difference
2:11 PM
Just drink one beer and you're all set.
... for sufficiently broad definitions of "its own"
And some others only stay in the blood for a very short amount of time until the liver turns them into that other thing that's supposed to go up in the blood
@JohnDvorak I'm just nitpicking
And flowing. Either of those
Feel free to
and back again
anyway... what can I say...
I'm back to the book
2:13 PM
I blame responsibility for the earpick thing to TVTropes
which also reminded me of some other old very wrong merchandise someone had the brilliant idea to make.
2:26 PM
will spare you the original one I had in mind...
but this is too bad not to share.
2 hours later…
4:13 PM
TIL there are deer in japan that bow in exchange for snacks
Pavlov's deer
Snack Exchange
4:29 PM
Doesn't seem to work anymore, but that used to be a "Snack Overflow" thing for the cooks at SE/O.
5:21 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body (97): How do I accept a taanis dibbur on myself? by ShtarkBochur on judaism.SE
5:52 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body (97): How do I accept a taanis dibbur on myself? by ShtarkBochur on judaism.SE
6:36 PM
Oh, you still didn't get around to flagging that one?
@Tinkeringbell Oops, sorry
My mistake.
Will remember to flag.
6:52 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, potentially bad ns for domain in answer (61): How to find all photos taken in April - any April? by bathmate28 on photo.SE
@SmokeDetector tpu-
7:09 PM
Ahh, thanks. Yeah I got here through a prompt on stack overflow, I selected this as a software problem and was ultimately redirected here. — Arthur Wilson 11 mins ago
What prompt could that be?
@rene Likely an accidental click on some link to an FAQ
AaQ wizard?
@rene Perfect
@rene Can I get a link to the wizard?
I'm going to try that one now :)
7:22 PM
@Tinkeringbell That's 404
24 secs ago, by Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog
@Tinkeringbell That's 404
I've heard the wizard appears randomly.
perhaps that's why
@Tinkeringbell Does it actually load the wizard for you?
It looks like a wizard.
7:24 PM
@Tinkeringbell Huh, it shows as 404 for me.
@rene Not the question wizard, I think.
Those are the available options, they seem to map to the questions I posted above ;)
Those links seem to land you in help centers though, so perhaps through there to MSE?
Let's play that game some people play on wikipedia. Find the fastest route from superuser.com/help to MSE :P
@Tinkeringbell Two clicks.
Should I have specified more limits? Click where? :P
At the bottom of the page:
7:32 PM
Q: Link to Ask a Question Wizard gives 404, but not for others

gparyaniI'm trying to access the Ask A Question wizard, for the purposes of answering a question over on Meta Stack Exchange. The link to the wizard is supposedly at https://stackoverflow.com/questions/ask/wizard. According to some users, that link leads to an actual wizard. But when I try to click on i...

Through help center articles! I can do it in two then too ;)
May 24 '18 at 20:49, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog
IIRC many people follow a link to MSE and not realize they're on a different site. I hope this doesn't start happening more often once certain design elements become universal under Joe Friend's plan.
Q: Does the new unified design theme result in more off-topic questions where lost users asked on the wrong site?

Sonic the Introverted HedgehogThis is partially a request for opinion, and partially a request for statistics. For a very long time, Meta Stack Exchange has suffered from a problem where a lot of users ask blatantly off-topic questions here, such as programming questions. One of the reasons for posting off-topic questions he...

@Tinkeringbell Ah, I guess I misunderstood the challenge.
in Programming Puzzles & Code Golf, we tend to close such underspecified challenges as either "unclear what you're asking" or "too broad"...
7:35 PM
@Alex Nah, I forgot that I'm dealing with a bunch of really smart people :P
@EKons Heh. I guess you can reopen mine, I've edited :P
it's not closed if nobody says "VTC"... ;)
and, of course, nobody can now
@Tinkeringbell I've been accused of worse...
@Alex I'm a mod. I'm not allowed to accuse people of worse :P
Well other moderators apparently don't have such high standards.
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Is there anything more recent than Jeff Atwood's answer from 8+ years ago (with no votes) about enabling migration from Meta sites to Main sites?
A: Provide migration facilities from meta to other sites

Jeff AtwoodMetas are black holes -- and this is completely intentional. You can't migrate away from meta, only toward a meta as a final resting place for a question. We might have a special case where an engine-only question is migrated from a per-site (child) meta to the engine meta (here), but that's ab...

9:17 PM
Moderators can migrate away from meta sites
If it really needs doing, flag for moderators to do it
Yeah, in the case I'm thinking of a moderator already noticed it before me. I was just wondering why regular users have the ability to migrate questions from the main site to the meta site but not the reverse.
Because it happens common enough
And because they're trusted not to not know when to do it
Surely it happens with some amount of frequency that someone posts a question on the Meta site when it should be on the Main site?
@Alex Yep, and probably most commonly on ELL
But it never has the potential to be overwhelming
9:22 PM
It may not be overwhelming, but is there any downside to having the ability?
@Alex No I guess not
Someone visiting meta and with the power to VTC most probably knows what they're doing
It's a pretty trivial feature though
Hardly worth a meta post.
@Alex the most likely situation for that to happen in is with new users - except you have to have 5 rep on the main site to post on meta, so it can't
@Alex Regular users can't migrate unless there is a tag on the question that matches a tag on the destination site. Main->meta migration is special-cased: [discussion] is added automatically. No logical way to do that for meta->main.
@Mrs.Robinson You can migrate from a Main site to its Meta site.
Or does that also got blocked if there is no common tag?
Scratch that, I apparently didn't read your entire comment.
@Mrs.Robinson Sure there is: [untagged]
9:30 PM
@ArtOfCode I'd say that someone with 5 reputation is probably still pretty new.
@ArtOfCode It does happen
But the number of metas asked on main is probably 20 times bigger
And that itself is rare enough
10:00 PM
Looks like I'm the user with the most questions
10:30 PM
with a whole 4 posts :o
(data, for those interested)

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