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Rob

00:39

@rene The confusion is that the Imgur site allows .PDF upload and SE doesn't, along with less than perfect UI for uploader previously. In a comment the OP protests that .PDF files are image files, so what they are doing is OK. They've decided to Dropbox it.

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Journeyman Geek

02:26

Ordered new, slightly off brand mesh networking gear...

amusingly I can get a trio of gigabit capable mesh APs for about 150 sgd off aliexpress

and in theory, I only need gigabit for one, and the 1200AC/fast ethernet models are about half the price if for some reason I needed more nodes

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Journeyman Geek

03:29

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and myself

05:57

GOOD MOR... TERNOON

and myself

06:11

sleep again

and myself

07:09

user image

fun(ny) -- from Clickbait titles in job advertisements

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rene

08:47

@JourneymanGeek I always assumed Android OS was just another Linux distro?

Journeyman Geek

@rene not really

linux kernel, very different userland

rene

@Rob sure, I didn't want to extend that discussion. It is still not clear what they want fixed: PDF uploads or the strange fakepath appearance. The dupe you choose was one I already offered in a comment. I deliberately didn't close vote as such, due to my confusion.

@JourneymanGeek fair enough.

Journeyman Geek

09:04

@rene and in theory Google could swap the kernel for say fusia

and myself

fragmentation+1

Journeyman Geek

@andmyself might not matter

they've changed the runtime at least once.

Tinkeringbell

09:58

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SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, potentially problematic ns configuration in answer (61): Are black filaments more brittle? by user14257 on 3dprinting.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer (60): Battery Charging / Management Board Recommendations by PiMaster on raspberrypi.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, potentially problematic ns configuration in answer (61): Do firmware updates affect print speeds? by user14258 on 3dprinting.SE

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SmokeDetector

11:23

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Shortened url in answer (56): How to learn guitar without physical lessons? by Brad Tyler on music.SE

rene

11:37

@SmokeDetector mod flagged for possible spam

Rob

12:10

@rene My duplicate CV was accepted (and agreed with by 4 other reviewers) 2 hours ago.

Journeyman Geek

12:33

Nice thing about my DIY router. I'm basically only ever having downtime for kernel updates, and that's a few minutes every month or so

(and its tons more reliable than any of my consumer routers, other than maybe my old WRT54GL ever was)

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rene

13:52

@Rob yeah, I got it offered in review as well, which I skipped. If the duplicate closure doesn't get contested I guess we're all okay.

John Dvorak

nuke at your leisure: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/322599/how-can-i-do-it-java

Tinkeringbell

Already gone :P

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

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Q: Current state of the stack ignores user needs

I read the blog, I re-read it, I made notes and re-read it again, I walked away and then re-read it for a fifth and sixth time. I still found none of my concerns addressed (see end). First, there will always be a part of me that loves Stack Exchange. It has been therapy for me and given me the ...

discussion blog

TBH I dunno what they're really asking for here

What sort of discussion was this post meant to breed? Or was it simply an announcement?

If the latter, I hardly see any difference with what's being sourly thrown around both metas these days. Scratch that, it was actually 2018 and people have gotten even tired of repeating them over and over

No one is going to be surprised by the revelation

And since nothing specific is being pointed out, hell, nothing specific has been requested, the whole post feels like a comment exceeding the character limit which basically gets summed up to "I don't like SO now."

So I dunno, I should get a nap and go back to studying triangles and surfaces

FTR, the biggest hit has been to our rant quality. "Why they downrate" was way more fun than "Unwelcoming modarator not accetp perfekt porblem"

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Like your rant is going any better now? :P

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Self-fulfilling prophecy

Tinkeringbell

14:08

To be honest, I've struggled with finding something to say about that blog post or that meta question myself. I can understand the frustration behind the meta post, I guess. If stuff isn't living up to your expectations... People get mad.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I could be ranting about so many things that are way more fun! Like Rouhani. Or pastafarianism.

Tinkeringbell

How about colds, fevers and periods?

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I think he literally wants change NOW

actually someone was commenting I was a little too positive about it ._.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Or ~~catdog~~ ZarifTrump

@JourneymanGeek Meh, I took a shower yesterday night. I don't smell that bad

@JourneymanGeek What's so wrong with that though? The real danger of being too positive about something is not seeing its pitfalls, but when you acknowledge them, then it's only up to you how to feel about them and the future

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ lol. IDK

I think people expect me to be more critical

which is amusing cause I've also been accused of brown nosing by a few folks.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

14:12

I'm more of a headshot type of guy. No headshot, no cigar

Journeyman Geek

I think SE's more than a place for just devs

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

accusing @Journey of not being able to decide a position

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Well, I do have a position....

That I'd like the communities I'm part of places I'd be proud to associate with.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@JourneymanGeek دست رو دلم نذار که خونه

That was an idiom. I didn't wanna ab-translate it.

Journeyman Geek

I don't read that script

But but

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

14:14

It's OK, you can pretend I whispered it

Journeyman Geek

they're promising a lotof the things I've complained about in the past

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

But then you would have been like "WHAT DID YOU SAY WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY"

Journeyman Geek

CM hires? Hell yeah, I've been complaining the CM team has been stretched thin for a while.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

If you wanna make sure someone heard a sentence you said, whisper it

Rob

Yes, more than a place for just devs and quite useful at the task - so many SE sites have nothing to do with programming.

Journeyman Geek

14:16

> But we’re still just scratching the surface. One thing we’ve heard loud and clear from the community is that we need to also address a lot of existing bugs and community debt. These issues have accumulated over the years to lead to confusing and frustrating experiences for all of our users, and we haven’t been doing enough to prioritize fixing them.

I mean, seriously - outside of "What took y'all so long" - they're making all the right noises.

> continuing the Welcome Wagon work of making Stack Overflow more welcoming and inclusive, and a newly focused effort on community improvements and expert user experience.

Depending on how this works out - I do think that the two tasks are .. distinct - one's more 'soft skills and people herding" than the other

Rob

Cooking.SE could feature a 'computer question' - What's the best program for recipes - do the other programming/computer SE sites want the question, probably not - do people whom use computers cook, or just order pizza - there's probably a site for that question too (but it's probably not the Cooking.SE site or SuperUser.SE sites), etc.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

One thing to note is the zombie bug reports existed en masse before all this drama began

Journeyman Geek

@Rob that question would be closed fast.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

No one took them as the emblem of lack of trust though. Just something to improve on on their side

Journeyman Geek

also feels like a "programming on a boat" question.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

14:20

@JourneymanGeek If "fast" was a pun that would have been your smartest pun since . . . hmm

Rob

More sites interlinked appropriately, more ranking and more hits = more ADs served to people with low Rep.

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ more that at that point of time, other things took precedence and those things kept getting pushed back cause other things needed to be done

@Rob eh, ad serving probably isn't a thing that's core to SE's revenue source for registered users I suspect

and practically most sites run incredibly independantly

we do sometimes help each other out with our experiences but its literally 120+ sites that just happen to run on the same platform

Rob

We have sponsored sites too.

Journeyman Geek

That's new. But its kinda more product-placementy

Rob

Quantum Computing ..., So you were shopping around for one?

Journeyman Geek

14:23

engadget.com/2019/01/08/ibm-q-system-one-quantum-computer

Khajit has quantum computer if you have coin... lots of coin....

Rob

Lego, if that's what you want what else would you buy, the knockoffs?

Journeyman Geek

lego isn't sponsored

Just geek friendly and probably something lots of SE employees love almost as much as cooking.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Rob I've hired couple of nanobots with nanochip quantum computers to take care of my new kidney.

Preordered, 28 years from now

So much for the nap

Lemme enter my zombie state and solve some math porblemz. BBL

Rob

@JourneymanGeek There's different ways to slide (use other word)-in - free ADs for Lego - bricks.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/450/…

Journeyman Geek

@Rob I'm under the impression a mod decided to do that on their own

Rob

14:28

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Aren't you worried about tunnelling or decoherence,?

Journeyman Geek

besides.

Its literally a lego site

if TLG wanted to sponsor it, I don't see any issues ;p

and myself

14:47

It was Lego.SE before until Lego requested for name change: Site name change request from TLG

Princess Luna

15:21

right, this is still the tavern xd

Catija

16:17

@JourneymanGeek They sort of do. The Bricks community is an official LEGO community and they get free stuff for promotional events every year.

It's not the same thing as what QC or AI is by any means, but there's a connection.

Rob

16:59

@PrincessLuna I'll mention that you are welcome to visit CHQ so that doesn't happen as often. :)

Princess Luna

I'm already a regular there though ^^"

But I have too many tabs, get confused with which is which, and suddenly I'm ~~not noticing the alcohol, and~~ only seeing smokedetector-stuff ^^"

(and yeah, that's my definition of too many ^^")

MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...

Now I just have to find out how to do the opposite and my evil <s>world</s> Stack Exchange domination plan can begin...

5

Q: Spamming random mod tools lets me cast an ordinary undelete vote

I was playing around with the mod tools (testing out some bugs and stuff) when I noticed that I'd caused this: This occurred because some combination of mod tools added an undelete vote, marked the post as undeleted, and then didn't clear the undelete vote, causing it to be re-applied when the...

bug moderator-tools vote-to-undelete

Princess Luna

@MEEisJohannGambolputty... This is ---not--- the formatting you are looking for

ɪBᴜɢ

17:47

Given the current design, it's going to do little help to downvote a "lost soul" question when it's already -3 or lower, right?

MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...

18:05

@ɪBᴜɢ should be so... AFAIK 20kers can vtd after -3. Also the post is no longer shown on the front page with a score of -3.

Tinkeringbell

@MEEisJohannGambolputty... Frontpage is -8 on meta, AFAIK

MEE is Johann Gambolputty ...

@Tinkeringbell oh right, forgot about this. @ɪBᴜɢ So there is a possible reason for this. But after -8 it is no more helpful, IMHO

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ɪBᴜɢ —8

rene

@ɪBᴜɢ keep this in mind: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/317379/…

Rob

19:10

@PrincessLuna I have over 99 Tabs open in Firefox (it doesn't say how many once you get past that number).

and myself

19:31

I only have 10+ tabs on each Chrome, 6 instances of Chrome...

Rob

19:43

That makes it easier to categorize. Even though I have a fairly large screen multiple windows on a mobile phone don't work out well (past 2), I'm already using a magnifying glass.

Princess Luna

20:02

@Rob anything above 15 is too many xD

Rob

I get anxious to close them when I'm past 40 or so, let us know if you get past 40 tabbys. 🙀

Princess Luna

20:22

That's pretty easy

Clearing out Sentinel does that xD

Rob

21:04

What is the triangular chip between her eyes called?

user image

FreezePhoenix

I swear it just moved O_O

Princess Luna

omg that's disturbing xd

Thank you uBlock ^^"

and myself

I punched the monitor...

2

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Could we be a bit friendlier to monitors?

FreezePhoenix

punches monitor

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

21:15

Wow, so unwelcomez

FreezePhoenix

tempted to punch self

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I wouldn't be too happy about the first meta post the monitor will post

@PrincessLuna I actually have 16 in this window but one is called new tab so

and myself

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ With "New monitor" indicator under ~~their~~ its post?

Princess Luna

yeah, I have a blank tab too

FreezePhoenix

I have a tab called about:blank XDDD

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

21:18

10 in the other window

But you should see me when I'm researching for an answer

Princess Luna

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ "Hi i am monitor I am frekvently abused by usr "and myself" who bets me for no reason its very unvelcomming"

:p

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@FreezePhoenix Well it says "new tab" on my Chrome and I have typed "Kashmir" in the bar to check the spelling

FreezePhoenix

Mine's got my most recent js experiments. Including toggleable strict mode

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

My 16-tab window is Google translate community plus SE-related tabs. It's more like a "waste time" window

The other is productivity, when I'm down for some shit. And stuff. One of those.

FreezePhoenix

Hm. Toggling strict mode has proven to be easier than I thought.

It's also kinda cheating, because strict mode is supposed to be irreversible

Princess Luna

21:23

I just need an extra tab to fall back on

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@FreezePhoenix I'm kinda obtuse right now, strict mode in what?

FreezePhoenix

Strict mode in javascript

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Aha, so it doesn't relate to me

FreezePhoenix

Don't think so?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

You are allowed to cheat in things that don't relate to me.

@FreezePhoenix Well I guess more so than the average finger warrior on the internet

Good deed of the day: Not cursing the random downvoter

FreezePhoenix

21:26

Well, heh. It's just "cheating" in the sense that it's something you shouldn't be able to do

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Plane crash survivors are definitely cheating

FreezePhoenix

But, doing it in arbitrary ways does result in a few issues. Namely, scopes can get messed up. It'd more likely be I wrote a language that compiled to JS, so that scopes don't get messed up.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Think about it. A huge chunk of metal that's kilometers above the ground hits it and some people end up something other than smoothies

FreezePhoenix

Well... it's kinda a little different that just... a huge chunk of metal... it's a reinforced chunk of metal ^^"

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

It can sandwich you with reinforcements

FreezePhoenix

21:29

Generally though, a plane crashes going parallel to the ground, or almost.

Chance of surviving a nosedive on a plane... 0.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I know, but I wouldn't miss a chance to be funny. To myself

FreezePhoenix

Unless you're in a zeppelin... in which case... /shrug

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Boing boing

FreezePhoenix

Hm... well, if you just let the plane collide with the ground, going parallel-ish, it won't completely get to the seats

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Or land it on a river. And then get Tom Hanks to play you

FreezePhoenix

21:33

I mean... the metal they make those things out of is tough lol... but... what i find odd, is how they have issues over... 25 people dying in a plane crash. Like... 25 people. At the current rate of plane crashes, I don't think we need to worry about 25/plane crash. How about we worry about the number of people who die daily from wars, and other stuff...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Well it also depends on how easily the deaths could be avoided

Bin Salman doesn't sound like an agreeable guy, but I heard one sloppy programmer can be the murderer of those 25 people. Figuratively literally.

FreezePhoenix

Well... a plane crash is like... geez. That pin was not strong enough. Ok, let's go spend 30M trying to make stronger metal. Wars... it's like... we coulda used that transport for civilians...

oh, yeah, there have only been like... a small number of casualties due to programming mistakes.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@FreezePhoenix Ideally I think the unquestionable authority that would have done something like that would have been the UN

But they're more like this loser bunch of consultants who know nothing better than to "raise concerns" when it gets to tension and conflict

FreezePhoenix

"Dangit. We should have used the transport vehicles instead of just bombing the city"

Well, they can't do much more than raise concerns. They can't force any individual nation to act.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Shrug

I need to nod off. G'night

FreezePhoenix

21:38

GN

Princess Luna

Cya M.A.R

Asuna

22:09

Finally >.<

FreezePhoenix

22:23

OOf... it works... but variables don't define quite right

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