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M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

8:00 AM

@ShadowWizard :o Ancient knowledge

Journeyman Geek

I'm sure if someone talked about Jerk Chicken it would be fine

Shadow Wizard

@Mithrandir so your service isn't going to be physically hard... you're just sad due to the loss of few good years to do something that isn't really needed?

and myself

@forest the RO has thrashed 2 messages before the kick happened

forest

@JourneymanGeek Right, just like "screw in a bulb".

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ huh?

forest

8:00 AM

@andmyself I did not get any messages about that until after.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Is it merely a coincidence that both the wizard of shadows and Gandalf speak Hebrew? I think not!

Journeyman Geek

@forest but if you're saying it just to say screw....

or to test if you can say it...

Rob

ʇɐɥʇ ǝʞᴉl ǝʇᴉɹʍ oʇ ǝɔᴉu ǝq ʇsnɯ

Mithrandir

@ShadowWizard also I might get a really bad profile and so get an awful job

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ maybe its actually quenya

and myself

8:01 AM

@JourneymanGeek can't... get... it... out... of... my... head!

forest

@JourneymanGeek No, I wasn't. In fact before I even knew the term was bad, what I said was something about "someone scr*wing with the rep". In fact, it was very possibly the first time I ever used that phrase on this entire site.

And was immediately kicked for 30 minutes.

Mithrandir

especially since, you know, I never went to school or anything - I need to really schedule those tests now

Journeyman Geek

@Mithrandir all jobs in the military are aweful

the trick is to... get away with doing as little as possible

Shadow Wizard

@Mithrandir nah.... these days I'm pretty sure even profile of 21 doesn't affect getting a job very much. Maybe still in high level security companies, but not much others.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@JourneymanGeek Except being the ~~apex predator~~ general

Journeyman Geek

8:02 AM

@ShadowWizard @Mithrandir wait... waiitt

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ that's the worst of all

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Hey you get badges!

Journeyman Geek

Yanno what they do with retired generals here?

Mithrandir

@JourneymanGeek Eh, I could deal with doing an English job :P

Journeyman Geek

MAKE THEM RUN THE TRANSPORT SYSTEM

Rob

@JourneymanGeek Don't insult the chicken - Bukaah

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

8:03 AM

@JourneymanGeek Turn them into zucchini?

and myself

it made me hungry

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

^ generalivorous

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek he means getting a job after army. It's affected by army service.

forest

@JourneymanGeek Anyway, in the future, please just tell me. Assume I'm from a backwards country where "j*rk" is not an insta-kick, ok?

Just warn me in the future and I'll try to remember. That's all I want.

Shadow Wizard

e.g. one who didn't serve in army at all has really hard times finding a decent job.

Journeyman Geek

8:04 AM

@ShadowWizard ah

Shadow Wizard

Or used to be... it's changing these days.

Journeyman Geek

here everyone serves

Shadow Wizard

Here everyone should serve, but many find ways around it.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard Oh so it is kinda a compulsory-ish thing like here

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard I've seen a dude in a giant leg brace ....

unless you're utterly insane, or missing a limb...

Shadow Wizard

8:05 AM

It reach stuff like people shooting their own leg.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Shadow Wizard

But most I know of just bribe doctors to get official letter saying they're unfit.

and myself

@ShadowWizard that's just like taking an arrow in the knee...

Shadow Wizard

(either physically or mentally)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Well I'm unfit without the letter, haha

@ShadowWizard Here I've heard half the asylums are filled with youngsters who're evading military service

Shadow Wizard

8:07 AM

The army is being careful with mentally unstable people, so that's the best bet, yeah. lol

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard I think I've said both my insanity stories

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek ?

Journeyman Geek

One guy went nuts at range

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek shot others??

Journeyman Geek

got... sat on by people and eventually got rated medically unfit

Shadow Wizard

8:08 AM

But why did he do that?

Journeyman Geek

I don't think he intended to shoot anyone

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Ooh Full Metal Jacket in da house

Journeyman Geek

I think he was faking it

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Bah boring

Journeyman Geek

now, chap seemed harmless

now there was this another guy

skinny, short fellow...

came in PES E (so non combat)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

8:09 AM

Please tell me this one ended up doing some damage

Journeyman Geek

used to scratch himself when he bled

Shadow Wizard

I once had a bullet shot by mistake in shooting range. Turns out the officer didn't check my gun properly after the shooting, so a bullet was still inside. He got suspended.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Uhun, UHUN

Journeyman Geek

(I'll be deleting all this later ;p)

best part

Shadow Wizard

tie him to a wheelchair?? lol... why on earth to a wheelchair?!

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

8:11 AM

The best part of the story was summarized in two bloody words eye roll

@ShadowWizard So he could still move

Journeyman Geek

cause he was on an island, and they wanted to get him to medical on the mainland

Then

they sent him back pending paperwork

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Oh so more Robinson Crusoe than The Joker

Journeyman Geek

oh

We do basic training here

Pulau Tekong

Pulau Tekong, also known colloquially as Tekong, is the largest of Singapore's outlying islands, with an area of 24.43 km2 (6,037 acres). The island is still expanding due to land reclamation works on its southern and northwestern coasts which will eventually subsume many of its surrounding small islets, including Pulau Tekong Kechil. Pulau Tekong is found off Singapore's northeastern coast, east of Pulau Ubin. Geographically, it is nearer to Johor, Malaysia than the Singapore main island itself. The Pulau Tekong Reservoir is also on the island. == Etymology == Pulau Tekong appears in t...

Shadow Wizard

Heh. We got a big desert for training.

Journeyman Geek

(It has a wikipedia page so is hardly classified)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

8:13 AM

Stage 1: Be the survivor of a sinking ship

Shadow Wizard

(Negev... already linked to it in the past. ;))

Journeyman Geek

→ 5 messages moved to Trashcan

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Well we both have islands and deserts. Noobs

Shadow Wizard

lol

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard there's stories of a secret unit of singaporean armour based there

Shadow Wizard

8:15 AM

@JourneymanGeek armor?? Or army units?

oh, you mean like tanks?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Tony Stark didn't seem of Singaporean descent

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard allegedly we had a unit of centurion tanks, upgraded hidden somewhere there

Shadow Wizard

heh

Journeyman Geek

funny thing is no one actually in armour ever heard of it.

(I mean, now we have leopard 2 A4s upgraded to look better)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

That's the genius of the plan

Remember all the workers in the nuclear bomb project had to be illiterate

Journeyman Geek

8:16 AM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ stealth armour?

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek well, being that makes sense. Won't be good for your country to publicly admit getting help from Israel.

Journeyman Geek

tanks so invisible that no one ever sees or hears of them?

@ShadowWizard its an open secret these days

also, erm...

all our last gen tanks probably used to belong to you lot

Shadow Wizard

Nice. With the dynamic defence system?

Journeyman Geek

AMX-13

The AMX-13 is a French light tank produced from 1952 to 1987. It served with the French Army, as the Char 13t-75 Modèle 51, and was exported to more than 25 other nations. Named after its initial weight of 13 tonnes, and featuring a tough and reliable chassis, it was fitted with an oscillating turret built by GIAT Industries (now Nexter) with revolver type magazines, which were also used on the Austrian SK-105 Kürassier. Including prototypes and export versions, there are over a hundred variants including self-propelled guns, anti-aircraft systems, APCs, and ATGM versions. == Development == The...

naw

we bought the AMX 13s you lot hated cause they were more suited for the military docterine of the time

also

no one else had tanks in the region

Mithrandir

Did you make sure to say tanks for the stuff...?

Journeyman Geek

8:23 AM

....

BOOOOO

Shadow Wizard

8:43 AM

lol

@rene thanks! Using them to slice tomatoes, mostly. ;)

@Rob nah, the box is small, maybe pic makes it look bigger. See the toilet paper roll to its left for comparison to "known element". :)

@MEE yup. What about it? (didn't read everything up there)

status-pings-backlog-completed

and myself

9:00 AM

of course, it's always tanks in advantage...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@ShadowWizard Smokey FR: If there isn't anything to flag, post something flaggable as target practice on a random site

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ of course not! We have a secret Conclave here. :P

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ makes total sense! Also, add audits! :D

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Who's suvitruf BTW? Name change or new/old guy I haven't met?

How the hell is this still alive? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/322289/…

@JOURNEY GRAB THE MOP. NOW.

Probably the argument in chat is why it's still alive

Journeyman Geek

oh

i also sliced open my finger

I appear to be bleeding a fair bit

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I think he's a SO.RU regular

seen him on meta a few times

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Alexolut?

Or something like that

Journeyman Geek

9:11 AM

naw

alex just has umaluts these days

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@JourneymanGeek Wolverine healing abilities, activate

Journeyman Geek

just lots of bandaids

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Were you fighting X-24 or a jar of jelly?

Journeyman Geek

some help would be nice but eh.

I was actually trying to save a plant and pruning it with a fairly sharp knife

slipped

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Burn the plant

Journeyman Geek

9:13 AM

naw

it did nothing wrong

I should have been more careful

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

It coaxed the universe to make you slip

You should AT LEAST ask for more oxygen.

Maybe post about it on Twitter, "make pruners great again"

Journeyman Geek

oh

We had to move the plants cause they were repainting the building

this one was a money plant that was stuck to the wall

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

That's it, bring out the billionaire TV host in you

Journeyman Geek

anyway the bleeding is mostly stopped (and I really don't want to bleed all over my lovely light fabric covered chair...)

Shadow Wizard

9:28 AM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ because @rene is sleeping so nobody scan for off topic questions with -8 or lower score. Duh.

:D

Shadow Wizard

9:50 AM

@JourneymanGeek was. No longer active there after clash with the site's CM. (I think) /cc @M.A.R.

oh wait, maybe he's active there again, saw new bug report he posted. meh

rene

@ShadowWizard at -8 you made it all counter productive: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/317379/…

Tinkeringbell

Morning!

Princess Luna

Mornin'

and myself

It's.... a quite late morning?

(well, it's weekend...)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

1:32 p.m. is definitely morning unless you're one of those darn early risers

Princess Luna

10:03 AM

11:03 is morning

Tinkeringbell

^ 11:04 now, but yeah ;)

It's late, but that's what happens when I'm allowed to sleep in ;)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

That's prenoon, not morning

Morning ends somewhere before 10 a.m.

Tinkeringbell

Morning ends at 12, Afternoon at 6, Evening at 12 and Night at 6, over here :)

and myself

Morning ends at 11, Afternoon at 3, Evening at 7, and Night at 3 ... and the rest is Dawn until 5 :O

(that's my opinion though)

Shadow Wizard

Wrong. It's very rare for off topic question to survive more than few hours. To be honest I don't downvote off topic question if it's not really bad by itself and already has the required -3 for deletion, but I do not expect others to follow. — Shadow Wizard Oct 28 '18 at 16:07

So... not me! :D

rene

10:10 AM

praise you

Princess Luna

@Tinkeringbell I woke up at 9, took an hour to get out of bed xd

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ no, it's morning

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

SD 2K

Journeyman Geek

10:27 AM

@ShadowWizard ah. um

I don't keep track of stuff there I guess

and myself

10:53 AM

Bird Box Challenge... oh great...

Tinkeringbell

We used to play that game... on the playground :P

Princess Luna

11:28 AM

And there they go again xd

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ any "hello" phrases are redundant though

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

In a question like that I doubt anything is nonredundant.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ - hey, that it easy. — user070221 5 mins ago

No counter argument provided. I'm throwing one of those null things.

I wanna say either "NO U B CAML" or "I'm perfectly calm" but I can't find a reason to continue the discussion

and myself

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ actually I failed to parse that sentence... is it "take it easy"? or "that is easy"? or...

and... poof!

rene

Once you're in the "this is aggressive" mood it is not easy to accept a stream of comments that state "we're not"

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@andmyself Eh, for the better

and myself

aggresive mood on a discussion about aggresive downvoting, I see wat u did thar

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

11:46 AM

@rene I look at it differently, maybe. Someone perceives hostility/aggression/marginalization/insert keyword. Comes to meta, "let's post something about it. SOMETHING has to be done", and the most common question is "am I wrong in thinking this and perceiving that?" or variations thereof. Whether or not they were right affects the outcome, but when they're not, they don't realize that they weren't ready to change perception most of the time, even though they imply it with their post

IOW, most people with such posts are looking for confirmation. They don't consider that they might be wrong, so when they're told they are, they're not ready to change perspective

Tinkeringbell

Well, for me, they were at least 25% right. Why is that support question so heavily downvoted?

rene

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ That sound like a good analysis of the root cause

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Tinkeringbell Which?

Tinkeringbell

-9

Q: Prompt when I accept my answer within 2 days seems miswritten?

When I try accept my answer, I see a prompt: You can accept your own answer in 2 days Is this miswritten for "you can not accept your own answer in 2 days"? See also: Why must I wait two days before accepting my own answer?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

And the only real answer will probably be "more people than usual clicked on the post"

rene

11:49 AM

@Tinkeringbell first comment is passive aggresive, that sets the tone. Also, first revision is a tad unclear.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Every individual can only affect the post score by 2

Tinkeringbell

@rene Ugh. You're right. I got rid of that comment, but it's really annoying to see questions that are asking about stuff that isn't documented anywhere get downvoted so much

(Even if someone misses that it's not a bug)

rene

@Tinkeringbell can you see how many votes came in before the 2nd revision?

Tinkeringbell

I dunno. I'm not advocating that that question should be at +10... but not voting is an option too ;)
I'll look that the votes

Sorry, votes are daily... so it's just up/down for that same day :/

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Normally, that post would have probably ended up with a -4 or similar

A short comment immediately pointing out the flaws in the request changes the mind of the visitors, however

Those that wouldn't have cared enough to vote immediately see the evaluation, and click the arrow before scrolling down

rene

11:54 AM

@Tinkeringbell ok, so that is basically what us ~~mortals~~ non-mods can see

Tinkeringbell

@rene Yeah.

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I almost asked what a CAML is

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

> - Confuse someone in chat — Daily task done ✔

Journeyman Geek

Not yet actually

rene

I'm confused

So you don't have to untick that ....

and myself

11:58 AM

I'm fused

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I'm confused how Journey isn't confused, so yeah

and myself

Now, where is that MSE post that mentions about "tone", "wording" and "interesting" which was probably posted as an answer by Shog...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

meta.stackexchange.com/…

and myself

yeah, I realized I failed any of the conditions...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Well, you were being so descriptive I'm not sure Shog himself would have known which answer you're talking about

But if it's about "interesting", maybe it was on a language site

and myself

12:06 PM

Basically a guide to write a better meta question.

(and this is, an example of XY-problem)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Maybe it was on the not-die-trying post?

Huh, edited in by an 8ker

Hehe the guy keeps byebyeing at @Tink . . . Hope it doesn't get creepy

and myself

Didn't find anything close... perhaps my memory was playing trick with me...

but I found this instead though

Yup. And sometimes on meta, the downvotes actually are a sign you're doing something right ;p/ — Journeyman Geek ♦ Dec 13 '17 at 6:47

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Oh well, can't please them all

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ It's like one of those awkward phone calls :P

I never like seeing people go like that though :(

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I also mentioned a while earlier is that one of the things language barrier does is make the environment more fragile for the ESL. Things start looking hostile way too early, and it's not about a thin skin or whatever

Journeyman Geek

12:17 PM

@andmyself Hah

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Tinkeringbell You hang up first

Journeyman Geek

Or just give them the taken speech

and myself

Did you mean: free speech (as Google suggested)

Journeyman Geek

Taken Phone Speech [HD]

►

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Tinkeringbell We don't need people to participate here, so I guess the only-be-here-if-it's-fun-or-necessary applies.

Either visit meta.SE for fun and reps or if you have a meaningful bug report

Everything else, either you deal with an unpopular opinion you have or listen to people when they say this is established norm regarding the foo issue.

Journeyman Geek

12:22 PM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ yes and no

In a sense, we need people participating - but, well, in the best interests of their part of the network

the tricky thing is sometimes... that might take an odder turn

and myself

Also, that's why some SE users on some SE sites are hating other SE sites

Journeyman Geek

that's just people being silly

and myself

Because their ideology is different than their usual site's culture

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@JourneymanGeek Yeah that's the minimum, but a post like the most recent one is when someone has probably promised themselves to hang around and post often

It's different from working in the best interests of anything. More like a transition to meta.SE guru and "REALLY knowing the way around"

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I honestly think the best way to be a MSE guru is to stop caring about rep ;p

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

12:26 PM

Now if they were told downvotes aren't supposed to be perceived like knockout punches and they disagree with that and won't change their mind, then they can't do the transition thing. Best if they do the minimum thing only

Journeyman Geek

ah there's that

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@JourneymanGeek Well that's like step 2.5 of transition. Loving rep is a very good initial catalyst though

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ rep is like money

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Rep is money

Journeyman Geek

you want enough to comfortably do all the things

past 25k though...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

12:28 PM

I'm agreeing with you now and it freaks me out

Journeyman Geek

on the other hand, I'm happy to make a less than popular post, and have it DVed into oblivion if I felt it was a conversation worth having.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Sure, that's the metaguruness

0

Q: Electorate gold badge not awarded

Today I was awarded the Electorate badge on Ask Different: Vote on 600 questions and 25% or more of total votes are on questions After doing so I was presented with the screen saying I earned it and to track the next one. On my profile it isn't there though: Yet going into the which badge...

support bug badges profile-page electorate-badge

It has been around 600,000 milliseconds.

Is our dupe finder @rene?

Pretty sure even the tracking part is answered

I understand the enthusiasm though, first gold badge

> Ismail Afandi (a.ka. Ismail Khan) of the Ottoman Empire — Designer of the main dome.
Ustad Isa and Isa Muhammad Effendi of Persia — Credited with a key role in the architectural design.
'Puru' from Benarus, Persia — Mentioned as a Supervising Architect.
Qazim Khan, a native of Lahore — Cast the solid Gold Finial.
Chiranjilal, a lapidary from Delhi — The Chief Sculptor and Mosaicist
Amanat Khan from Shiraz, Iran — The Chief Calligrapher

Basically we're the reason Taj Mahal is cool.

🆒

38

Q: Did the builder of the Taj Mahal have the workers' hands cut off?

Local legend has it that once Shah Jahan built the Taj Mahal, the hands of the workers were cut off. I cannot find any historical reference to this but some examples which say so http://library.thinkquest.org/27638/tajmahal.html Shahjahan cut off the hands of the workers after the completion...

history

Shadow Wizard

12:45 PM

@andmyself no con?

and myself

I'm not con-ning anyone!

Journeyman Geek

@andmyself that question ... seems posted under the influence

Shadow Wizard

@andmyself neither vincing

Shadow Wizard

1:40 PM

and myself

O_O

Journeyman Geek

2:28 PM

@ShadowWizard I think that's a dwarf

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek meh. Same concept. ;)

Journeyman Geek

on the contrary

Shadow Wizard

when it comes to tennis.... they're the same.

Journeyman Geek

The dwarf will cleave your head in twain if he loses.

Shadow Wizard

No! They have honor.

:P

As for dogs and tennis...

:D

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

3:48 PM

It's a majestic feeling to be pinged by a removed message

@ShadowWizard Recorded answer as an NAA in metasmoke.

Wow, the aggression thing still going on?

Hmm, seems like they calmed down a bit and we did help someone understand some SE stuff today

Yay I guess

Look at the voting though, someone would have earned a Red Baron or something

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

4:14 PM

Hmm, I dunno, it has affiliation

Suvitruf

(¬_¬ )

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

The site doesn't immediately want to sell me stuff

crafts.stackexchange.com/a/5323 — similar

@Suvitruf ┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)

Suvitruf

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ (ᗒᗣᗕ)՞

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

BBL

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I didn't click the link, I like my PC to remain clean. But if it's not, people can always override it, right?

Rob

4:19 PM

@ShadowWizard I hope everyone is aware that if you write a comment after an "sd" command that it gets recorded in MS. If the comment was directed at the chatroom audience (rather than MS) it should be made separately on a new line. Yesterday someone else made a comment probably not intended to be preserved in the logs.

and myself

4:30 PM

@Rob We are aware of that

Rob

4:56 PM

You two likely are, someone else's name whom appears above was not and may either be asked to remove their comment or leave it to the administrator and receive a similar reminder naming them directly.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Tinkeringbell Sure, they can invalidate the feedback

Are you kidding me? 68 rep for a blatantly obvious answer? It's so easy to gain rep

@Rob Heh, was that me?

I never pay attention

and myself

Perhaps that's the answer to the easiest site to gain rep: MSE on Announcement, Featured, and Contest

Rob

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Here is the transcript - probably not useful for the Metasmoke log file. Could have been typed on a subsequent line, so it wouldn't have been logged. The comment has been deleted (by the admin, the only one whom can do that, or the owner).

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

5:24 PM

@Rob K, I'll (probably) pay attention in the future. The commenting under an MS report thing came after I went MIA for a while, so it's a feature I'm not used to

Rob

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