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Hi. Is there any Meta SE post which discusses why text should be preferred over text-in-image, in questions? Could someone give me the link? I remember having seen it, but can't find it now.

Mithrandir

Copy pastability, screen readers...

user437611

@Mithrandir Yeah, I know the reasons. But it would nice if I could have a link handy, so that I don't have to repeat the reasons everytime to new users.

Journeyman Geek

@Blue errr... not off the top of my head but if it dosen't exist we could make one.

user437611

@JourneymanGeek I see. I might make a new thread then. But I don't know how these FAQ type of questions work on Meta

Journeyman Geek

@Blue actually asking for it as clarification would work - like any other question

user437611

4:22 PM

Would something like: "Why is text preferred over text-in-image? Please summarize your points." be an OK question?

user437611

Or do I need to provide some more context?

user437611

@JourneymanGeek Alrighty, trying :)

rene

@Blue try this one ... idownvotedbecau.se/imageofcode a bit controversial for not being nice and welcoming and such ...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Blue Try this one: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/285551/…

user437611

4:42 PM

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Q: Why are images of text, code and mathematical expressions discouraged?

Often I see new users posting images, containing the text of the question they were intending to ask, or a part of it. This is especially true for the science and math based sites where new users don't know how to use MathJax. I tried searching through the previous questions on Meta SE, but could...

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user437611

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Thanks, I've added that link in my post

user437611

I'm not sure whether the discussion tag is suitable for the question though.

Derpy

YAY! the workstation videocard just died!

working with the integrated one now!

Kevin B

Yay!

user437611

5:04 PM

@JourneymanGeek Would it be better to make the post a Community Wiki?

Journeyman Geek

@Blue I consider CWs depreciated

user437611

@JourneymanGeek Ah, well, Robert explained that to me once :P

user437611

I personally think it's a good idea for such canonical threads

user437611

But if not using CW is the norm these days, so be it

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

5:37 PM

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/320059/…

Tinkeringbell

6:18 PM

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Martin

6:43 PM

Does somebody know what can be customized about tags. Looking at what's written here is it just color? Responsive Design Themes - What can sites customize and how can they get changes implemented?

I would probably be mainly curious whether font-weight can be customized for tags.

rene

6:54 PM

@Martin they are very picky / restricted on fonts so I doubt font-weight would be customizable as that would require that each tag takes more space which I reckon is the biggest reason to have tags fixed in the way they currently are. But this needs an SE dev to confirm.

Martin

Thanks for the reply.

Tinkeringbell

Probably could ask best in a comment underneath that post.

Martin

Fair enough, I'll ask there. I thought that it is possible that somebody round here might know. (I tried this room partially also because the CMs listed as a primary contacts in a discussion on Meta Mathoverflow seem to visit this room.)

rene

they might pick it up.

Tinkeringbell

@Martin Oh, they do... so you might get an answer here or on the post, but Catija gets a notification if you write a comment ;)

Martin

6:59 PM

Oh, I did not even notice that Catija is also the OP of the Meta Stack Exchange post. (I just saw that her and Jon Ericson participated in the discussion on Meta MathOverflow.)

rene

see also: stackoverflow.design/product/components/tags and I don't see a font-weight option there.

given the 4 size they have there I wouldn't have high hopes.

Martin

But I'd guess (based on the above description) that background color of tags can be changed.

I was looking at this discussion: How can we visually differentiate MathOverflow from MathStackExchange within the constraints of the new design themes? It seems that folks at MO worry that the site looks very similar to Mathematics.

Which is to some extent natural, because there are many people who frequent both MathOverflow and Mathematics.

So I thought that changing the look of tags on MO (ideally to something looking similar as in the original look) might help. Which is why I asked about font-weight. (AFAICT it used to be different.) But if that's not possible, maybe background color could help with the distinction.

rene

7:22 PM

@Martin That seems to be a setting so it is worth a try.

Martin

So what you linked there is probably the stuff that can be customized for tags, right?

Catija

@Martin Sure. Poke around some of the other sites... look at Mi Yodeya for example. :)

Martin

@Catija So the answer is no on the font-weight but yes on background-color (and other parameters rene linked to).

Catija

@Martin I'm not sure about font weight but I'm guessing that's no, yeah.

Background and the font color.

I'm pretty sure I wrote that in a comment on MO... somewhere. There are several discussions there.

Martin

And if I am about to post on Meta MathOverflow some suggestions about changing backround color for tags should I choose from the constants defined here: github.com/StackExchange/Stacks/blob/… ?

Catija

7:33 PM

Hey MO! Commenting here to be pingable if you have any questions I can help with. Some ideas that aren't in your list - tag colors can be customized to be more different. If the site used to be more green/orange, we could go with green tags with white text. We can also change the color of the question titles in the questions list and links can be colored separately from the titles or they can be the same color. Tags don't scroll but they're more visible in more places. Same with links, which appear to be blue on both sites. — Catija ♦ Dec 10 at 4:57

Martin

Is it ok if I leave my recent comment on your question (about font-weight and tags) in case somebody else is interested in this? Or should I simply delete that comment now that you have answered me here in chat?

Catija

Either. :) Your call. As far as stacks goes, I'm guessing that picking something from there would be an easier sell. :) But I'm not sure if it's 100% necessary. I'm also not absolutely sure if we're OK with inverting tags to have white text and dark color backgrounds now that I'm looking around but you can definitely still get color in there.

Martin

Thanks for your response! I'll try to post something about background color of the tags - we'll see how the MO users react to that.

Catija

Sure. :) Happy to help.

rene

@Martin that is what I get from it based on looking at the code and how that config is supposed to work.

Mithrandir

7:51 PM

@JourneymanGeek Deprecated in all but implementation.

Journeyman Geek

@Mithrandir yup

Mithrandir

Oh cool, I've just about repcapped here. I'm not sure I've ever repcapped here before.

Ankit Sharma

Ufff I am tired of trying for hats not

So much eating of head with lego customer care to get no answer

> I don't think those are every available publicly

::facepalm::

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Ankit Sharma

8:06 PM

o-o

Catija

I need to earn more rep off MSE.

Journeyman Geek

lol

tbh being a CM should make that easier ;p

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Catija

Not if I don't have any time to actually write posts.

Journeyman Geek

:/

true but you're now a font of official knowledge

++ you can do announcements ;p

Ankit Sharma

Announcement: Ankit is a CM now ;)

Journeyman Geek

8:11 PM

@AnkitSharma lol

Ankit Sharma

::Thinking about salary negotiation::

Journeyman Geek

@AnkitSharma well its also a little true of mods but I suppose there's 100kers who are neither

just keep plugging at it

Ankit Sharma

hmmm

Journeyman Geek

lol no comment on that lol

Ankit Sharma

Just channel your inner Ducky Momo and say:

> I hate people

Journeyman Geek

8:15 PM

(then again, I'm a different shade of blue here, so to speak, and its a little interesting sometimes)

@AnkitSharma I don't ._.

;p

Ankit Sharma

I am no more blue anywhere and my username is as dark as Ducky Momo's dreams

Alex

@Mithrandir And your default profile has now changed to Meta.

Ankit Sharma

@Alex he must be busy with overwhelmed twitter response from Jon Colton Barry

Alex

@AnkitSharma Who's that?

Ankit Sharma

@Alex context

Alex

8:21 PM

Ah.

Ankit Sharma

He asked for official response and then Nog asked again and now that tweet trail is on fire

#DuckyMomoRules

Mithrandir

@Alex ?

Ankit Sharma

@Mithrandir your chat profile is MSE

Alex

@Mithrandir If I'm not mistaken, your default profile used to be Literature.

Or Parent User, or whatever it's called.

Journeyman Geek

on MSE your parent is always MSE no?

Ankit Sharma

8:23 PM

@Alex that give him power of blue

Journeyman Geek

On main chat, its different

Ankit Sharma

@JourneymanGeek ohhh oooppps

Alex

@JourneymanGeek You're right. I retract.

I guess I had never clicked on Mithrandir's profile here before.

Journeyman Geek

(also if you're a mod, your parent account needs to be on a site you're mod on. Otherwise strange things can happen)

Alex

Okay, so I'm apparently pretty ignorant about how chat works.

Ankit Sharma

8:26 PM

So mod can be chat banned if he picks parent profile as non mod site?

Catija

@AnkitSharma Negotiate?

Ankit Sharma

@Catija I will not become CM for free ;)

Catija

Good call.

Ankit Sharma

So negosaition needed to decide everything

Journeyman Geek

@AnkitSharma they can but nothing will happen ;p

Ankit Sharma

8:29 PM

we will see

Journeyman Geek

;p

Ankit Sharma

I have good convincing powers

Journeyman Geek

@AnkitSharma well the next time there's an opening... ;p

Ankit Sharma

When they see a duck with toilet paper on his head, they can't say no

Mithrandir

Yeah, there are three chat servers, @Alex - chat.SE, chat.Meta, and chat.SO. On chat.SO, your parent is always SO. On chat.Meta, it's always Meta.SE. On chat.SE, it can be anything, although if you're a mod you won't have mod powers unless your parent is your mod site.

Journeyman Geek

8:32 PM

@Mithrandir IIRC your username is also that of your parent site and you can change parent site freely....

Mithrandir

Right.

Journeyman Geek

something certain users ab use a lot

Winter bash!

Bash winter!

summer bash

8:47 PM

sleeping bash

bye

Alex

@Mithrandir Ah. I think I knew that, but it must have slipped my mind.

Mithrandir

kinda hard to remember all the quirks of SE

Alex

Are the Retro Fan glasses supposed to be different sizes for different people?

Mithrandir

Yes.

You can adjust the size and position.

Journeyman Geek

you can resize hats

Alex

8:57 PM

I see how to adjust position, but not size.

Kevin B

it's hidden in the rotate tool

Alex

Hmm, I don't see a rotate tool either.

Mithrandir

Did you check "show controls"?

Alex

Ah. Today is apparently not my day.

canon

nor mine

where is shog "shog and awe" 9?

EKons

9:16 PM

I just got a second Yearling badge in two days

Mithrandir

yeah, that happens when you meet the age requirements but haven't earned the 200 per year until then

EKons

9:41 PM

boo, I've met age requirements biologically more than a couple months ago

ArtOfCode

10:38 PM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog re this blacklist request‌, that's not eligible for blacklisting. Blacklist is high-confidence only; watch is for lower confidence.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@ArtOfCode It triggered a "potentially bad keyword" filter, so I assumed it was already watched and came up again.

ArtOfCode

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog the keyword in question was <p><a href="

though even 2 hits isn't necessarily enough to blacklist, so you usually need to check before blacklisting

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