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12:11 PM
@ShadowWizard well tbh that's something that we need to work on as a whole
 
12:27 PM
@ShadowWizard Ericson
 
@JourneymanGeek to learn how to criticize in a more polite way?
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ so how is he related to anything? confused
 
@ShadowWizard Try it on the featured question. No link there
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I did, there is a link. Remove userscipts and I'm almost sure you'll get them back too.
 
Ah whatever
Oh hold on, for some reason I thought his post was new
 
Sorry @M.A.R. totally lost you this time.
 
12:32 PM
Jon has an oldish post which I thought is brand new and he admitted some devs don't even read meta comments anymore
 
OK, I remember it.
 
Now that I see the comments on recent official posts I'm saying he's got a point
Every single post is a negativity parade and the commenters don't even enjoy it
@Tinkeringbell Well it's more like a customer you don't wanna deal with. The comments aren't rude, just unnecessarily negative
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ so you think we should all keep silent and not say when we disagree with changes? Sorry, but I think it's a bad idea. Really bad.
 
@ShadowWizard Nope. I illustrated your comment as an example of how disagreeing should be like
 
Like I said earlier, we might be able to do it in more polite ways, but just keeping silent or limiting ourselves to "ohh great, we love it!11!!!" isn't a good way.
 
12:35 PM
Sure, whenever did I say that?
I don't want another change that will cripple profiles everywhere except SO either
But take a look at your comment and compare it to other comments
The "lost cause, we hate you" vibe in the others doesn't help things. I'm saying people that always phrase their comments that way shouldn't expect to be heard every time.
I mean, take a look at how, say, Monica Ceillo phrases her comments
 
To be honest I can't see a way for them to make the profile responsive without losing bunch of things, making it horridly too long so it's unreadable, or changing it so much nobody of the existing users will find their way in there. And sadly enough, it appears that none of the answers address this, they all ask for new stuff to be added, sometimes not even related to the profile. :/
 
They have recently mostly been disagreements, but they rarely ever had negativity and despair built into sentence constructions
 
@ShadowWizard rebuild things I guess
 
Shit, too much slacking off. Laters
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I used to be more like that in the past, think Joe (not Jon) got some not-so-Friendly comments from me back when starting the new new top bar changes.... but being here changed my way of thinking about such things, mostly due to @Journeyman. :-)
 
12:41 PM
@ShadowWizard Don't encourage him!
 
Quite honestly I like the profiles as they are mostly
 
It's like bashing your head against a wall vs. trying to convince the one who built it to remove it, or make an opening for you.
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ don't forget to pee, or else doctors would be pissed off at you. :P
proud of excellent pun
 
And importantly convince them your interests match and vice versa
 
12:48 PM
Yup
 
So here one issue I see is folks are a little scared to show their work. I mean I'd eat my hat if Donna didn't have some ideas on what a better profile page might be...
On one hand it's a really tough crowd. On the other...
On the gripping hands people will skip the prototypes and complain anyway
 
@JourneymanGeek meta.stackexchange.com/questions/319375/… I think a lot of people don't realize that 'making profiles responsive' is one of the reasons they're asking 'well, if we're at that, what can we do too?'
 
Yup
But we can in theory get the same design responsiver :p
Donna is talking about it being cluttered tho
 
@JourneymanGeek Well, there is quite a lot going on on my profile ;)
The 'Top Tags' think looks kinda messy
 
That's a specific, actionable complaint :p
 
12:58 PM
@JourneymanGeek 'I need all stuff lined out properly'. Nah, that's like complaining my parrot is too red.
Besides... I know it looks messy but I don't know how to improve it. So it's not 'actionable' ;)
 
@JourneymanGeek nah... "burn the top tags!!1!!" is. ;)
@Tinkeringbell ^
Burning is easy. :D
 
Yeah but shouldn't I then have to come up with a reason as to why it needs burning, instead of just e.g. lining out? :P
 
@Tinkeringbell which makes it less messy!
 
@JourneymanGeek 'messy' isn't an objective description of stuff :P
 
1:08 PM
@Tinkeringbell you gave reason: too messy. ;)
 
It's good enough
 
@JourneymanGeek No it isn't... what the h... is someone going to do with 'this looks too messy'?
 
shove it all under the bed
 
@Mithrandir parents will notice and punish.
 
@Mithrandir sadly that's not an option. My roomie has claimed that space
 
1:15 PM
:(
Your roomie being Ash? ;)
 
Yup
The search for a human roomie hasn't gotten anywhere :p
 
You still search?
 
@ShadowWizard That's the point I'm trying to make
@JourneymanGeek I can be your roomie but I only work remotely
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ yeah took me time to figure, thought you meant "everyone are only ranting".
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ as long as you pay on time and keep your space clean he shouldn't care too much. ;)
 
@ShadowWizard No of course not. SE recently could have handled a lot of things in a better way, and you don't need to be active to realize that in the first instant
@ShadowWizard Clean is something I never did before but I have no choice now
Actually now I'd be the perfect roomie
 
1:21 PM
lol
 
I log my whole day to track my study time, pretty bureaucratic with everything so I'd be able to keep track of the 10 different types of medication I get, and he won't have to see my face because I'd be wearing two masks anyway
 
But... don't you have to go to toilets like 10 times during night? That might wake up the roommate, no? @M.A.R. :/
 
@ShadowWizard Nope, the kidney is behaving itself now
Now if I drink, I go. If I don't, I won't
 
Awesome! Also no more keeping track of the amounts?
 
They said you should but does it really matter if I peed 2 liters or 2.2? I'm not stupid, I'd know it if something goes wrong
Plus I sweat a lot due to exercise now so it's gonna skew numbers
 
1:25 PM
Heh:
 
What a nice loading bar
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ so you just give them fake numbers? ;)
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I know, right? :D
 
@ShadowWizard I'm no longer in the hospital dude
Thankfully. I hate hospitals.
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ here is another one, just for you!
BTW, what you read? @M.A.R.
 
Oh I always love a gif "image not found" over a png "image not found"
 
1:31 PM
hehehe
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ good, so it means back to wearing normal clothes. :D
 
@ShadowWizard I didn't have an internet connection in the hospital
I've been home-quarantined for 20 days
 
ouch
Even worse, less people to talk with...
 
Meh
What I need now is studying, not talking
 
Boring...
We're humans, not machines. :)
 
But necessary. I don't show signs of depression of any mental problems so socializing is not a priority especially if it means I won't get a CMV infection
 
1:45 PM
Now you sound like Sonic...
That ability to self analyze. ;)
 
Ability? Well, I don't find a reason not to keep a positive attitude
 
Next stage, you'll attach a debugger to yourself! :P
 
I feel alive again
My brain, my liver, my everything works better now
 
So you don't come to Den because you're afraid it will suck too much of your time?
 
Depression usually hits people who are told to do a little bit more of dialysis after transplant
 
1:47 PM
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ makes sense, you got a new part. :D
 
@ShadowWizard No, because its tab isn't open
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ glares
 
Hey you try to handle 10 tabs that start with "mitochondria"
 
lol
I see you also neglect The Periodic Table. :(
Don't they all miss you in there?
 
Sure they do, I miss them too
Too many chats
 
1:50 PM
@Fabby is there!
 
So I figured I leave one open and pour random thoughts in
Tavern is my brain's toilet.
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Lucky us!
Your thoughts are golden. @M.A.R. :P
 
It's remarkably easier to say some meta stuff instead of topics I haven't tackled in God knows how long
 
143
Q: What is migration and how does it work?

Yaakov EllisI posted a question which was closed as off-topic and it seems like it could fit on another site in the network. How can I go about moving it there? What is migration and how does the process work? Who can migrate questions? When should I consider migration? What can cause migrations...

@rene ^
> The destination question's score is reset to zero if the origin question had a negative score. Otherwise, its score is retained, and the votes are attributed to the Community user.
 
@ShadowWizard ok
 
1:55 PM
It becomes really "unfair" in cases of MSO --> MSE migrations
 
yeah
 
Meta SO!
 
I should immediately open a tab and read a rant before going offline
 
Do it at your own risk. :D
 
1:55 PM
and in theory something not hot (due to lots of down votes) becomes hot at an instant after migration?
or is it just score? So a score of 1 is one upvote only?
 
@rene not instant, only if it get at least one upvote and got enough answers, yeah.
(0 score question can't be HNQ as far as I know)
@rene think migration takes only net score into account
 
that distinction is important
 
We can ask... :)
I think it's not complex: when score is -1 or lower, all votes are cleared and score becomes 0. Otherwise, all votes remain the same (can also be +100/-100) and attributed to Community instead to those originally casting them. @rene
 
makes sense
 
2:23 PM
@ShadowWizard Yeah, I'm a Chemist, remember?
(Well... By education: haven't used much Chemistry in the past 30 years)
 
:)
@Fabby so you know @M.A.R. from there?
 
No: I was just there to ensure someone else was giving us his time after we went into private chat for a redirect and pipe problem.
 
How come? He was super active there in the past...
e.g. bit of history taken from Den....
 
Is it just me or are you getting timeouts as well?
@ShadowWizard I wasn't active in chat there...
 
@Fabby me too, yeah.
 
2:28 PM
Ah... :-)
 
Maybe DNS issue for those outside USA
@Fabby oh... when did you start being active there?
 
Nah: TCP connection has already been made.
@ShadowWizard Never? :D
Today was the first time?
 
@Fabby but... you posted there today when I came looking for @M.A.R. :D
 
(Jutst at the moment you looked?)
 
Just a coincidence??? lol
 
2:29 PM
@ShadowWizard Yup!
 
sending lottery ticket
 
steals lottery ticket
 
noooooooooooo
flying to Greece to take ticket back
 
quick, puts ticket in locked basement
 
using secret key to unlock basement
 
2:31 PM
calls police, somebody robbed my house...
 
reminding the policemen what I do when arrested
 
ew...
 
It's... effective. :D
 
for some 15 days in jail, sure :P
whoops, he went to the police station!
yeah, I can see him...
happy time in Korydallos prison ;-)
 
@EKons sure it will help? :D
Appears to be when the pee tanks were created. So nostalgic. :P
 
2:47 PM
um... what
pretty sure jumping and performing a 180° doesn't help you get out... ;-)
 
@EKons I'm not jumping, I'm floating/swimming. :D
 
um... windows have bars too, for a reason... :P
 
3:06 PM
No windows in prison cells... :D
Not the best job:
 
 
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4:17 PM
Oh. Turns out this is the Tavern, not the Den. With all the peeing, I got confused...
 
lol
@Mithrandir weird question (surprise but not related to pee! ;)) do you put sugar on the לביבות?
hides
 
 
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6:49 PM
@ShadowWizard I don't think I've ever had those.
 
@Mithrandir no levivot at all, or just without sugar?
 
None at all.
I've had latkes...
Similar, but different.
 
What is the difference?
 
Latkes are more... together.
 
Google showing same results. O_o
 
6:57 PM
outsider knows nothing about Hebrew pancakes wait... there are many kinds of Hebrew pancakes?!
 
Huh... maybe they are the same thing? I always thought they were different.
Anyway, I eat latkes with apple sauce. Not sugar ;)
 
7:14 PM
@Mithrandir heh.... Had these as kid when grandparents were alive. Sometimes with crushed apples "sauce", sometimes sugar, to make them sweet as in the song. ;)
@EKons the name is misleading... Never checked the name in English but generally it is just made of potatoes. :)
 
yeah, searched it
it looks like latkes and levivot are apparently the same thing in separate languages... o_o
and... no, people don't sugar them
also, the name in English is "Potato pancakes" :P
> Potato pancakes, latkes, deruny or boxties
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected, toxic answer detected (161): Accessing the Mount Teide summit when all 200 permits per day are already booked by Marina on travel.SE
 
@EKons oh well. Prefer sufganyot anyway. ;)
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected, toxic answer detected (161): Accessing the Mount Teide summit when all 200 permits per day are already booked by Marina on travel.SE
 
7:39 PM
We need this feature implemented ASAP @Sha @rene: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/319709/space-time-bending
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ on it ...
... 6 to 8 weeks ...
... wait ...
 
8:17 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted username (92): "Наложение" блока на картинку by Kel Fuck on ru.stackoverflow.com
 
8:45 PM
...quick poll: does anyone else go to Google Ngrams when arguing over what phrase to use?
 
Has anyone else never heard of Google Ngrams?
 
Results were inconclusive.
 
I vote for the latter.
 
I went with the former. :P
 
@Mithrandir bah... too much hassle over something trivial, usually
that is, unless you're writing a post-doc or something :P
 
8:49 PM
@Mithrandir If I didn't know better I'd say you are pre-1980s.
 
btw, Ngrams is outdated itself
 
@EKons I was writing an email declining a proofreading job :P
 
heh
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ can be good answer to the Time contest... ;)
@Mithrandir not me
 
Incidentally, @Sha, do you light?
 
9:05 PM
@Mithrandir I am shadowing
Aka... What?
:)
@Alex #MeToo
 
Always nice to have someone agree with me.
 
And rare?
 
Very.
 
:(
@Mithrandir so what did you mean?
 
@EKons of course not. Sugar is for lefse
 
9:09 PM
@ShadowWizard Do you light candles / oil / Balrogs for Chanukah?
 
@Shog9 Lef.SE??
 
ha
 
heh
 
think... latke:lefse pancake:crepe
 
9:10 PM
When Shog is ha-ing you know you did something special. :P
 
(but not really; it's just flatbread. Really, really good flatbread)
 
on the contrary, when Shog is mwaha-ing...
 
@EKons run for your life
 
...now I'm all hungry
 
Eh, latkes aren't proper flatbread... they haven't been punctured.
 
9:12 PM
@Shog9 go eat some latkes at Jewish friends place... Or make some yourself. ;)
 
And they're not very bread-like.
 
note: latkes are... totally not sweet at all
 
You can theoretically make them sweet.
 
@Mithrandir ohhh lol. It is like I would ask "do you eat?". Anyway... Umm... I did for first candle... With proper blessings and songs and all... But.. That is about that. But I ate sufganyot almost every day! ;)
@Alex how?
 
@ShadowWizard Add whatever form of sweetener you want.
 
9:17 PM
but... they have potatoes!
 
Somehow it sounds like something that won't taste good. :[
Like sweet potato fries...
 
Hey, I never said they're good sweet.
 
Lol tru dat
 
@ShadowWizard Heh. I guess we can tell where your priorities lie :P
I actually lit twice tonight...
 
@Mithrandir Once for yourself and once for Shadow?
 
9:20 PM
For an old lady I was visiting.
 
@Mithrandir Den first!
 
@Mithrandir oh thought one time with friends and second time with family
 
Unrelated: Is there a reason why "related tags" shows the tag itself as the first related tag?
 
Sounds like a .
 
9:23 PM
 
What site?
 
The screenshot's from Mi Yodeya, but the same thing is on other sites as well.
Just checked five other sites and they're all the same.
 
No repro. Most likely some userscript you forgot you have.
 
I've never used a userscript.
 
(or something totally unrelated going rogue)
@Alex browser extensions?
 
9:29 PM
Ah, you're probably looking at the main tag page.
If you go to the top users page it will be different.
 
Where else? Question page?
@Alex ohh
 
@Mithrandir find the parrot? :P
 
No... but what month would you guess that I took that picture in?
 
Probably a bug indeed... @Alex
 
9:38 PM
Meta post coming up, then.
 
10:14 PM
(BTW - if anyone finds the random photos annoying, just tell me. I just have nowhere else to share my photography...)
 
note to self
 
it does look like you captured something between a (poisonous) mushroom and @Tink... ;-)
 
all nighters are no longer worth it when you're of the age that you can't just zombie through work the following day
 
@EKons What a thing to say of a respectable lemon tree! :O
 
when you were there capturing it, did you have a... more thorough peek around? ;-P
 
10:19 PM
Of course, I was in the midst of picking the fruit at the time :P
 
ah, so that's your house?
 
these look like tasty lemons though
 
or shamelessly stealing borrowing from the neighbors? :P
 
Yeah, that's my sideyard.
 
@Mithrandir on the contrary! Keep posting them. :)
 
10:22 PM
^.^
 
If life gives you lemons, harvest them!
 
and sell them! ;-)
 
And make a lemonade!
 
use them to enrich the flavor of cooked fish
 
Or tea ☕
 
10:23 PM
to garnish ice cream, to add a bit of sour to smoothies, the possibilities are endless
or just straight up eat them like you would an orange :D
 
That's the best idea.
Except I'm allergic to oranges.
 
Aug 16 '12 at 14:13, by Bart
@amanaP When life gives you rlemons, make rlemonade...
 
ah, why didn't I ever think of that? O_O
 
Too bitter!
 
@Mithrandir allergic to citrus or orange in particular?
I never heard of someone being allergic to just orange. Always just citrus
 
10:25 PM
Any fruit, I think...
I have an allergist appointment tomorrow. We'll see what they say.
 
my guess is citrus
 
My guess is Oral Allergy Syndrome.
 
Good, I have made my contribution of the day. I'm off. Night all. ;)
 
 
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11:53 PM
@Magisch then use them to make batteries and taser life!
 
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