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off-topic wordpress plugin - user1295167‎ - 2018-11-19 05:13:24Z
 
user312109
Can some one tell me what is going on with my account at Engineering. SE
 
user312109
Why when trying to fix a question at the request of the moderator then I improved it then he rolled it back then suspended me for a year?
 
user312109
is this a system problem?
 
user312109
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Q: What are the main problems with lightning being a renewable energy source?

MuzeI viewed many engines that are powered by electricity? The problem is driving that much current through transformers and even the wire. The levitron little spinning magnet is suspended by a magnet. Could a huge levetron be hard wired capture lightning from power poles through a huge coil large ...

 
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5:58 AM
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Q: What is this name shown on comment from other poeople?

MuzeIn this question Would harvesting static electricity from the atmosphere work with a kinetic flywheel? and may be others the comments are showing Timothy Caddell instead of the given Muze I go by. Why is it doing that?

 
@Muze probably no one but an engineering mod can answer the fomer
 
I have rolled back the recent edits on this question as they invalidated the existing answers. — GlenH7 ♦ 9 hours ago
 
user312109
Well there you are
 
user312109
I would have reworked it but as it is no it is not a good question and the new on better depicts what I imagined. Did I really need suspension for a year?
 
user312109
sorry I not great at grammar
 
6:04 AM
@Muze Did the mod message you linked above specifically state that the cause of your suspension was because of the edit?
Can I see a screenshot of it?
 
user312109
standby
 
user312109
how do I add a picture?
 
user312109
where
 
@Muze next to "send"
 
user312109
6:09 AM
i don't have that option
 
user312109
I'll copy the text
 
user312109
Moderator Private Message
from moderators
sent 9 hours ago
to
Muze

Hello,

I'm writing in reference to your Engineering Stack Exchange account:

https://engineering.stackexchange.com/users/4139/muze

You have been warned multiple times to not edit questions in a manner that invalidates existing, up-voted answers. Your recent edits to: What are the main problems with lightning being a renewable energy source? invalidated the existing answers, and the edits had to be rolled back. You have left the moderators with no other choice but to suspend your account for violating the site's rules.
 
user312109
I did not change it in a way that it invalidated any question the last time.
 
user312109
answer
 
@Muze How many times have you been warned about this (including times when you may not actually have)? Also, were the first three suspensions about this specifically, or for other causes? In any case, can I please see the three messages corresponding to the first three suspensions?
 
user312109
6:15 AM
never suspended for revising questions anywhere else
 
@Muze "as this is the fourth time that your actions have warranted suspension"...can I please see the three moderator messages corresponding to those first three suspensions?
 
user312109
I didn't invalidate any questions
 
user312109
answers
 
@Muze Please do what I asked, or else I won't be able to help you. I'm among one of the few users who's willing to extend you a hand; please don't make me change my mind.
 
@Muze this isn't really the best place to hash this out
 
user312109
6:18 AM
sorry
 
user312109
where is a good place
 
user312109
@TimothyCaddell - you need to be patient and wait for the community to vote to re-open this. That said, my read of this is that your question is still much too broad to be meaningfully answered here. – GlenH7♦ Dec 22 '15 at 19:43
I have rolled back the recent edits on this question as they invalidated the existing answers. – GlenH7♦ 9 hours ago
 
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Really, you're not a mod on EE, what help can you be, except recommend using the contact us link?
 
user312109
look at the last comments. is it not confusing to me am I or not asked to change it and did and got suspended
 
user312109
He is helping unless you would like to help? My IP is blocked.
 
6:22 AM
@Muze Let me make myself clear. As the mod message you've copied and pasted here states, this is your fourth suspension. You were notified in your SE inbox under "moderator message" every time you were suspended. I want you to show me the first three "moderator messages" corresponding to the first three suspensions.
@Tinkeringbell I'm a good mediator, though.
 
user312109
Over years for small stuff
 
@Muze Right, I'd like to see what those "small stuff" were.
 
user312109
let try to find them
 
You can go to your network profile to see all notifications it's received
 
Okay. @Muze and @SonictheAnonymousHedgehog both of you were said that this wasn't the place to hash this out. Perhaps stop now then?
 
6:26 AM
@Muze Per the request, let's not do this here. You can respond in Sonic's Den
 
user312109
ok
 
@Muze the right way is through the mod message and the contract us link
You should know this
 
grabs popcorn and watches through the Tavern's window
 
@andmyself Sorry. Show was cancelled prematurely :P
 
?
What did I miss?
 
someone trying to mediate someone's suspension
 
... in a public chat room
 
lol TMI @Shree you spend too much time on those. ;)
 
???
 
(with author and timestamp and all)
 
I believe it's done by a userscript
 
7:05 AM
ohhhh
 
yep US
 
perhaps SOCVR's
 
You @and your userscripts! :P
I feel so primitive being the only one without userscripts. ;)
 
:D
 
@andmyself mediate?
Oh, like I did with @nicael back in the day?
 
7:07 AM
I use a userscript to block userscripts... huh? wait...
 
One Userscript to Control Them All
 
sharing userscripts is an se tradition at this point
 
Sure, then wondering when weird bugs start to happen.
SE change things. Userscript can't possibly predict such changes, hence it ought to break at some point. The one who installed it has 0 chance to figure that's the issue.
 
its like a treasure hunt
 
So... I just avoid this in advance. :)
 
7:10 AM
no treasure for you i guess
 
@ShadowWizard even Shog asked for a pull request to fix Jason's SE Chat tob par userscript :p
 
@ShadowWizard It's in the Den
 
@Quill true :(
 
making userscripts was a great way to get into building chrome extensions
 
@andmyself heh Shog can make his own scripts ;)
 
7:18 AM
no need for userscripts if you use custom clients
 
Rob
@ShadowWizard Honestly, I haven't had too many issues, having 41 installed scripts. Only very occasionally do things break, at least in my experience
And when they do break, it's pretty obvious which script is broken, as most scripts add functionality rather than change it
 
@user1271772 I know I'm right. :)
@Rob well, it's obvious to you maybe, but I do see lots of bug reports that can't be reproduced which end up as result of broken userscript. :)
 
Rob
Userscripts or extensions? I've seen plenty of the latter, not many (if any) of the former
 
if you post a bug report without at least sandboxing your browser & trying to reproduce then you probably deserve the cv anyway
 
Poor Sonic wasting his time. But he's going to reach the same conclusion as I did long ago.
Huh. Think he did.
 
7:26 AM
@ShadowWizard I know exactly what I'm doing.
 
Guess drama is now over indeed. :)
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog sure you do. You try to be a good person and I admire it. :)
I believe many did with that specific user, all in vain though.
 
@ShadowWizard Could be because they were deflected by the user's messages in the middle. But I wasn't, and continued to push for evidence.
I'm very patient when it comes to these things. My fault is that I expect others to have the same level of patience.
 
It's like asking a child "Why did you break this toy?" when it's obvious he did it on purpose, i.e. it didn't just fell. Or asking to explain when they hit their sisters/brothers. Explaining bad behavior is usually nearly impossible.
Even for adults.
 
@ShadowWizard Yep, that's exactly the point. If they try to deflect instead of providing evidence, that's when I make my conclusion. If the person didn't do it, they'd readily fight the claim directly and not try to deflect it elsewhere.
 
Also, one can't really give evidence to their thought process leading to some action, so to be honest not sure what you except to get.
 
7:32 AM
@ShadowWizard I can. My overarching fault is that I expect other users to be as capable as me.
 
Probably.
 
The user has been suspended on multiple sites, and got answer-ban on few other sites. I'd give up right now...
 
@andmyself Thanks for helping me.
 
Sarcasm detector activated
 
Allows me to play good cop/bad cop.
 
7:34 AM
beep beep beep
:D
 
@ShadowWizard I'm being serious.
 
Well, one can't play good cop/bad cop by himself. Needs two people for that. :)
 
You might as well check their meta posts on other sites than Engineering.SE for... I dunno, additional insight?
 
To be honest, I realized it's a "dead end" with that user when they posted some total crap answer to some fun swag event previous year or so.
@andmyself oh, you did?
 
@ShadowWizard I browse network-wide meta posts, so I tend to cross their path
 
7:41 AM
@ShadowWizard The goal of my doing what I do is to either 1. catch them in a blatant lie, 2. have a written record of a lie that can be verified using private moderator evidence, or 3. provide a cogent argument as to why the suspension was in fact unwarranted.
This situation fell under 1.
 
Guys... This isn't about whether or not we give up this specific user or not. Discussing suspensions in a chat room is just not done, you either reply to your mod message or use contact us, and encouraging people to do otherwise is just as bad.
 
@Tinkeringbell That approach has the potential to generate negative publicity on social media, though.
 
welp, time to go back to compiling the code...
 
@andmyself heh. Is user184116 someone familiar?
 
Tinkeringbell is right, it's not really the place of chat to air other people's dirty laundry.
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7:46 AM
more smoke just as it gets cleaned
 
@Tinkeringbell I disagree. It's legit to try and help. If the user is chat banned and can't speak for themselves I agree, it's not nice to talk about them when they can't respond, but this is a different case. Unfair suspensions happen, people sometimes don't get the system; Trying to help them understand and indirectly have their suspension lifted is a good thing. Maybe not in public place like this room, but in general? Nothing wrong with it when done in a good nature.
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog self destructing smoke...
 
This is my worst fear that I shouldn't run for mod...
I really really have to learn self-control
 
@andmyself dealing with such users?
You appear to control yourself well here in this whole recent drama. No? ;)
 
@ShadowWizard if that's the case, I'll let other mod handle it...
 
@andmyself or escalate it upwards... :)
 
7:58 AM
@ShadowWizard looks like I poured some oil just now?
 
I dunno... I'm confused and afraid...
 
That's what you did?
:P
@andmyself no need to, really.
Maybe a coffee will help?
!!/coffee andmy
 
@ShadowWizard brews a cup of Latte for @andmy
 
And to make sure nobody will get jealous...
!!/coffee Andras
 
8:01 AM
@ShadowWizard brews a cup of jQuery for @Andras
 
@SmokeDetector I do have Coffee Latte right now...
 
Good. All sorted. :D
 
@SmokeDetector congrats...
 
!!/blame
 
@ShadowWizard It's Dragonrage's fault.
 
8:02 AM
Here. Tavern back to normal. :P
 
@ShadowWizard In general, that's okay. But that's why people can reply to their suspension message, or why moderators often warn/chat with people before suspending them, or why there's contact us. Like you said, public chat rooms are not the place for that.
(Sorry for the late reply, I'm at work now)
 
@Tinkeringbell true. If you want to keep discussing it, there are two Dens now for this. ;)
 
@ShadowWizard Nah, your den is just as much a public room.
 
(I didn't join Sonic's yet, watched from the side to not interfere.)
 
Let's talk about... hmmm... breakfast?
 
8:04 AM
@Tinkeringbell but we won't interfere there. Or you mean you don't want to share your thoughts about it in public, in general? That's legit too. I guess. ;)
@Tinkeringbell I had granola this time! :D
 
@ShadowWizard Hmmm? I'm not going to discuss someone's suspension in public. basta!. I dunno what you want to talk about then?
 
@Tinkeringbell just 2 slices of bread. with cheese!
 
The one to the left ^ (with chocolate)
 
I had a croissant and orange juice :)
 
@ShadowWizard looking at the silhouette uhh... wrong focus...
 
8:07 AM
@andmyself but what cheese? ;)
@Tinkeringbell yummy! Guess fresh from bakery?
 
@ShadowWizard Define 'fresh' :P
 
@andmyself not my picture, just first Google result for what I ate. :) (גרנולה נסטלה if you're curious ;))
 
But yeah, bought them at the bakery shop at the train station ;)
 
@Tinkeringbell yeah, buying from a bakery shop is as fresh as one can get. No? :)
 
@ShadowWizard Sometimes. Freshest is homemade ;)
 
8:11 AM
There were delicious croissants in Rhodes though. Big diversity of shapes and tastes, we don't have those here, maybe only in few special bakeries I can't really visit often.
 
@ShadowWizard some convenient markets on here did sold expired bread...
 
@andmyself eww... sorry to hear! I always check expire date, sometimes they do sell expired products by mistake, and always remove them right away when I tell them.
Though bread is usually popular enough to not survive of the shelves more than day or two. :)
@Tinkeringbell but also hardest to make... :)
 
@ShadowWizard True.
That's why I've only done that once or twice ;)
 
Once or twice more than me then! :D
When you next bake fresh croissants give me a call and I'll drop by. ;)
 
Might take another decade :P
 
8:18 AM
SE-branded bread
 
@andmyself That'd probably be some kind of copyright infringement :P
 
@ShadowWizard without the mods in question it's mostly pointless
And I was looking at a broader picture and intent
If it's an SU suspension and good points were made I would still lean towards pointing a user at the right places to get help
 
(Not SE, but it's doable! ;))
 
Ugh... that looks like it'll taste burnt :P
 
8:37 AM
 
@Tinkeringbell Not really but my kids don't like it anyway. :/
 
I wonder if you can do an open source bounty thing. I use a SQL tool that's open source, and there's a feature I'd really like in it, a FR has been open for almost a year but no takers yet. Would it be out of line with open source culture to announce that I'd kick like 100$ the way of anyone who actually implemented that feature?
 
I'd ask the person that manages the open source project, not us ;)
Or you know... just implement the FR, cause that's kinda how open source works, people implement the stuff they want into it :P
 
@Blue arriving out of the blue! (sorry! Can't resist such wonderful puns!)
 
@Magisch I dunno... Fiverr?
 
8:39 AM
@Tinkeringbell Small issue. It's a complicated project that I do not understand whatsoever
Coded in a language I've never worked with
 
6
Q: How to offer money to an open source project?

prototypeThere's an open source project on GitHub that is very useful, but doesn't have a feature I want and which a fair number of other users have been clamoring for in the issues. There's already an advanced discussion of the issue, and I get the impression that good_enough is pretty feasible, it's j...

 
@Magisch I'd either do what that answer Shadow linked says (secretly outsource it), or ask the people that maintain the tool, I'm still most fond of that ;)
 
Wait.. SQL... money... cough @rene cough
:D
(aka just hire the flower and be done with it.... ;))
whoa he's a fast flower! :D
 
@ShadowWizard I don't think SQL tools are programmed using SQL :P
 
@Tinkeringbell he's also a programmer... he wrote a bot! :D
A bot that can pee, no less. So, writing SQL tools must be piece of cake. ;)
 
8:47 AM
The project is written in delphi
 
@Magisch ask @πάνταῥεῖ ...
 
I worked few years with Delphi 3. Never upgraded. o_O
 
I worked with Delphi when it was still called that
 
Huh? It's not called that anymore?
 
@ShadowWizard I meant, it didn't have a version number yet ... aka V1
 
8:50 AM
> Delphi XE5 is required for building HeidiSQL. Older Delphi versions will most likely fail; newer Delphi versions may work or fail. Unfortunately, Lazarus or one of the other free compilers cannot currently compile HeidiSQL.
 
@rene oh. lol. You win! :D
 
There goes my hope of just half-assing a fix for myself
 
20K calculate meta.stackexchange.com/questions/318518/… /cc @ShadowWizard @Glorfindel @Bart
@Magisch your best bet is @πάνταῥεῖ and maybe if it is fun enough he can ask support from dalija
they should be able to at least tell you if it is doable
before you spend money
Oh, and maybe Ron
 
Ron is a very generic name.
 
Hey, I linked to their profile ...
20K a href meta.stackexchange.com/questions/318521/… /cc @ShadowWizard @Bart @Glorfindel
 
9:04 AM
@rene I know! Otherwise it would be impossible to tell which Ron... :D
 
20K wordpress meta.stackexchange.com/questions/318514/wordpress-plugin /cc @ShadowWizard @Bart @Glorfindel
 
@rene KABOOOM
 
9:19 AM
Yay! I found another flaw in my co-worker... He chews with his mouth open :/
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer (94): Weight bearing glass furniture by marie52 on diy.SE
 
@Tinkeringbell can you debug it?
 
@rene I was thinking of just using ductape
 
Viable Lifehack ...
 
@Tinkeringbell like this? :D
watching @Tink as she runs away in terror
:P
 
9:24 AM
I keep getting randomly pinged by a user chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/7376388#7376388. How rude.
 
@ShadowWizard Oh, the AGT contestant
 
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog yup. Google search or personal knowledge? :)
 
@ShadowWizard I watched the show
 
Nice!
 
@Tinkeringbell ew
 
9:26 AM
@AndrasDeak ban him! Flag him! Kick him!
 
duplicate, both targets please: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/318524/… (@rene @Shadow)
 
@Tinkeringbell Didn't you say you were only on that project for another month=?
 
End of 2018 ^
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title (195): Best Chatbot Development Company in India by webtunixsolution on datascience.SE
 
@Magisch we're going to make her a countdown counter ...
 
There seems to be yet another influx of off-topic questions on MSE. What happened this time?
 
Probably whatever Shog did has expired/overwritten by other code build.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user (68): Rooting Gionee P5W ✏️ by Sally Denton on android.SE
 
10:07 AM
@rene Yeah, but make one that skips weekends? :P
23 days after this one ;)
 
Tricky!
 
(I'm off on Wednesday, does that information help? :P)
 
ditches all code and start over again
 
oops lol wrong room. It's Show Off time in Den. :D
 
10:19 AM
@rene :( I hope all code doesn't necessarily mean 'a lot of code'?
 
meh
It is copy-paste anyway
I carefully have to copy around all these license texts. I don't want my code to become bloatware ...
 
Ugh. copy paste licenses.
 
10:35 AM
buying pasta
 
Nope, today is potatoes day. Not pasta :P
 
Both starts with a "p" so who cares? ;)
 
It is p-day
 
its harder to slap on some tomato sauce on one and call it done.
OR IS IT?
 
@JourneymanGeek French fries with bolognese sauce?
 
10:39 AM
@Fabby ._.
that's an ununual idea
 
(Don't get me started on creative cooking! ;-) )
 
(also, someone managed to ruin something by adding garlic today at lunch...)
I'm shicked since that should be impossible
 
@JourneymanGeek I can't think of anything that can be ruined by garlic, unless it was a dessert...
 
@Devealte was chickpeas
it had lots of garlic
tasted... wrong
and I love garlic
 
Ah! too much garlic! Yeah, now I understand!
 
10:42 AM
@Fabby there's no such thing
 
Garlic fries? French garlic?
 
I've added up to half a head on a single serving of pasta
and it was glorious
 
@JourneymanGeek You'll love my garlic bread then!
 
My mom was a little confused when she got back
 
(ingredients: garlic, white wine, pepper, nutmeg, bread)
 
10:43 AM
ahh, alas, I can't use one of those things.
 
@JourneymanGeek :D :D :D
@JourneymanGeek I have a fatwah that if you boil out all the alcohol, it's halal.
 
@Fabby eh, the problem isn't just with the booze
and I'm not muslim
 
@JourneymanGeek Ah... Gluten-intolerant?
 
Well 3-4 reasons
people of my hindu caste don't drink by right
a lot of wine is filtered with islinglass...
I actually am super observant about food
 
@JourneymanGeek What does that mean?
"drink by right"?
 
10:46 AM
@Fabby we culturally shouldn't drink
I know a lot do
 
@JourneymanGeek It's not drinking when it doesn't contain any alcohol...
 
@Fabby its a line we don't consider valid ;p
 
ah, islinglass -> fish -> meat?
 
We actually don't use much garlic at all... but I do like the taste ;)
 
10:47 AM
Isinglass because of animal origin?
 
took me a while to piece it together
 
funny thing is a lot of it is just "its just not how its done"
 
@AndrasDeak Yeah, me too.
 
that's probably just a technical issue, it should be quite easy to find vegan wine these days
 
@AndrasDeak plausibly
I know guiness went vegan at some point
Its just not something we do
 
10:49 AM
Yeah, hence "technical issue". Doesn't fix the cultural stuff
 
and we don't have the "its made of honey"loophole
the rule is vaguely against getting intoxicated
 
Ah, that's a nice and vague rule ;)
 
most such rules are
vegan alcohol-free wine it is ;)
 
so... grape juice?
 
hehe, I guess
much better than wine if you ask me
 
10:51 AM
I guess its more about the tartness tho
 
@JourneymanGeek So coming back to what I said before: If you boil all the alcohol out of it, it's safe and you'll damn well eat my garlic bread!
:D :D :D
;-) ;-) ;-)
 
garlic bread spans across generations
everyone likes it, everyone loves it, it's garlic bread
 
uuuuh nope
I like garlic in moderate amounts. I even like buttered toast with raw garlic smeared all over it. But garlic baked into the bread? Nope :P
The wife bought some garlic rolls once. They were wrapped in two plastic bags and still they could've been sniffed out the day before. The smell alone almost made me want to hurl
 
Holy flag backlog Batman
What's going on there?
 
where's "there"?
 
11:02 AM
Apparently there were 6 chat flags waiting for me, some on content that had been moved to the Trashcan such as chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/7374747#7374747
 
ah
flags are really long-lived on chat.MSE it seems
 
Yeah, from Saturday I see
 
11:20 AM
@AndrasDeak yeah they even keep showing the counter when the messages are deleted. Fun! :D
On ordinary chat mods just remove the flags, I assume. Here there are no mods, so nobody have time to do this boring task. ;)
 
nah, I'm sure it's automatic
at least on chat.SO
 
@Bart 5 now, all in trash.
 
@AndrasDeak there's a lot less people to handle them
 
I understand that, but I've seen flags disappear in the instant the messages were self-deleted
 
There's few 10ks
 
11:22 AM
@AndrasDeak oh, it's a bug.
27
Q: There are no chat flags to display but the number is shown

Nog ShineWhen a message is flagged as spam/offensive, network wide 10k users are shown a number of pending chat flags. As shown in the above image, it is shown that there are 15 messages waiting for review. At the same time, there are no flags to display. If we hover on 15, it says "flagged as spa...

 
Flags sticking around when there's nobody to handle is understandable. Flags sticking around on deleted messages is not.
 
It was not fixed.
 
@ShadowWizard oh, that one.
Also 8 on chat.SO. — Andras Deak Oct 7 at 21:25
 
11:35 AM
My breakfast is chat flag.
 
But it's blue
 
da ba dee da ba daaa
 
 
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12:44 PM
Lurking g3rv4 is lurking
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-latin title (88): Wordplay: I O _________ O A! by Rheticus on puzzling.SE
 
Yay. Green is insane in Pkmn Let's Go. Thanks Gamefreak...
 
@SmokeDetector might be the next HNQ...
 
I've heard only good things so far about pokemon lets go
maybe time to buy a switch now
 
Is it the one where you go around for real and shoot virtual creatures?
(i.e. sort of AR)
 
12:56 PM
Pokemon Let's Go collaborates with Pokemon Go
 
It had great buzz but think it calmed down... didn't it?
 
@ShadowWizard That's Pokemon Go, the cellphone game. They now made a game for Nintendo Switch, that's a remake of Pokemon Yellow with a few elements of Pokemon Go, and a very simplified gameplay.
It's a bit more gameplay than Pokemon Go, a bit less than a 'classic' pokemon game.
@Magisch I've been thinking the same lately.
 

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