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12:01 AM
would you say the same thing about Muslims who have bookshelf's of Hadith? That "those who don't use them often don't have them to begin with."
Don't know.
I'm mostly going on my personal experience here. Most of the people that I know have them and use them.
Fair enough, I'm not above that. I'm also going on my own experience here.
I'm friends with more Muslims than Jews and Christians than Muslims. So I'm not exactly the right-most person to answer this.
The only person I know that actually reads the bookshelf is the rabbi.
Also, when I say use them I don't necessarily mean use them every day. Many people with shelves full of religious books only use each one once in a while.
Sure, I'm not out there to split hairs about what it means to use them. I mean they'll never read a single books worth on whole shelf of the books they've got.
Maybe they got the set from their grandparents (it's an heirloom), or simply because it looks cool.
12:20 AM
@EvanCarroll Yeah, lot's of people have books as heirlooms.
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1:27 AM
Who has the most questions on the entire network?
are there any cross-site stats published
1:42 AM
Top-10 askingest askers, network-wide:
Name                     Questions
------------------------ ---------
Tim                      5689
Léo Léopold Hertz 준영     3713
Greek - Area 51 Proposal 3392
Franck Dernoncourt       3291
random65537              3194
Niklas Rosencrantz       3187
Blankman                 3027
B. Clay Shannon          3007
leora                    2849
alexchenco               2762
Includes deleted questions
Lol, I know the second guy. Let me not comment because CoC
but let's just say they are the epitome of the "stream of mediocre questions" kind of users
they used to have much more coherent questions and even a few answers 5+ years ago so for a time I half suspected that the account switched owners or something
@Shog9 Is that publicly searchable data, or did you have use secret powers to get it?
you could sum up not-deleted questions via the API
but getting total questions asked would be tricky
2:16 AM
@AndrasDeak Some of them are. And Its worth remembering, if they're an early user, standards have tightened up over time
At least one is simply... overenthusasatic.
2:39 AM
balpha set up us the bomb updated a new feature that'll make a few of us happy?
winterbash2018.stackexchange.com is not yet live though...
also, somewhat morning...
ugh. Terrible terrible one eyed morning
3:05 AM
Wow, holy fucking shit.
I thought I was an oddball and I'm only at like 1,000
what the link to the 5k tim
@Shog9 I would be interested in the most positively received questions and the most Socratic badges on the network
I can't believe anyone has 6k questions. I want to see the link the the profile.
4:10 AM
why can't it be 2011 forever
because tme flies like an arrow. Or maybe a lawn dart.
Fruit flies like a banana.
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5:50 AM
Hey, there's a question here that's closed as a duplicate, but the question that it's a duplicate of does not exist. Anyone with powers want to try fixing this?
Q: Why do I have 139 reputation on Stack Overflow and only 1 on Meta?

Nathan Possible Duplicate: Why do I have a different reputation score on meta.stackoverflow.com and stackoverflow.com? I have 139 reputation on Stack Overflow, but here for some reason I only have 1? This is strange. Aren't they supposed to be the same? I have enough to post questions to the ...

@Alex the problem is with the MSE /MSO split - MSO is a 'classic' meta site
there's nothing really to fix
@JourneymanGeek Can't it be closed as a duplicate of a different question, or reopened?
why reopen - it'll never happen again
Then shouldn't it be closed for a different reason? Like non-reproducable or whatever?
eh, maybe deleted so it dosen't confuse ;p
5:56 AM
Or that. I'd say that now it's confusing because it says the question has already been asked but links to a dead page. (I didn't even really read the question; I don't particularly care about the precise issue it's discussing, it just seems odd the way it currently displays.)
oh, that's a thing
but you'd still need people to reopen then close
which is going to need co-ordination
on a regular site, mugging a mod for something like this might work
Well I did flag it a while back, but supposedly that doesn't do much around here.
ya. I'd be happy to throw it a delvote, but I don't think it needs the delvote batsignal
So who do I have to bribe to get off suspension?
6:08 AM
but really can I pay a fee or fine?
do some grunt work?
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@Muze ^^^ tgat's a great starting point
been there for years at a time
read through that, try to understand, how it relates to you and work out how you can do better
They didn't even make the Russians wait that long for doping. I'm really stuck on certain accounts.
6:26 AM
Doping's a lifetime ban ^^
@Ward I am here.
And well, you've gotten suspended on multiple sites - so spending some time getting to know what's op topic on a site, and posting quality posts would be a start
They were infected or the stats of one is effecting the other as a trigger.
It said I sock puppeted but I did not
Ah yes
so here's the thing.
CMs can see everything
6:30 AM
I read the definition I didn't
Well, nearly everything
so this is an arguement I don't see you winning
There like some kind of probation even when I'm off suspension any little thing a bad edit or question I go right back to suspension but only in certain SE sites.
Look at space exploration SE is working like it is suppose to but the other a idk broken.
Christianity SE also effected
but not world building or Movies se
6:44 AM
Are you talking about suspension or automated post ban? Because I've seen you often on child meta asking about lifting your Q-ban.
7:19 AM
9 messages moved to Chimney
7:37 AM
@Dragonrage yes, I was aware of that "trick".
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20K SEM model meta.stackexchange.com/questions/317545/sem-model-explanation /cc @ShadowWizard @JourneymanGeek @Bart @Glorfindel @TravisJ
20K atm meta.stackexchange.com/questions/317540/… /cc @ShadowWizard @JourneymanGeek @Bart @Glorfindel @TravisJ
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@rene no pings today plz
I'll delvote/closevote if I see em
7:43 AM
woo hoo ping wave! :D
washing in pings
20K something meta.stackexchange.com/questions/317542/… /cc @ShadowWizard @Bart @Glorfindel @TravisJ
@rene kaoom
@ShadowWizard lol
@rene kabong
I will log out shortly.
7:45 AM
Okay, if those 4 are gone we're good to go
Feeling like hell, and need to manage a work day with a sore eye :)
take it easy
@rene kawabanga! (and you lose your touch! "something" is illegal!) :P
@JourneymanGeek What happened? :-(
@Fabby sore eye + no one to cover my shifts
7:48 AM
which is more fun when my job is to stare at screens all day
uhh, is(are?) your eye(s) okay?
@ShadowWizard it had delete in the title and I didn't want to re-use that to prevent confusion. Also I'm just on one coffee, yet.
@JourneymanGeek for your own health, please log out ...
should be '20K objective'...
@rene eh, actually ya
see ya all on the flipside (and not as a site for sore eyes)
7:53 AM
VoIP ftw~
Skype/Hangout/Discord on the Meta
@JourneymanGeek Get well soon (ish)! :D
hehe, another colorful design nuked in favor of boring gray colors...
Q: Visited calendar on profile empty

danSomething has changed and now the visited calendar is blank. It is different than the next month, are we changing only the colours?

I bet it's not a bug.
@rene well, I'd use "particular". ;)
!!/coffee rene
@ShadowWizard brews a cup of Cappuccino for @rene
Here, two now.
8:00 AM
@scohe001 very true!
!!/blame rollback for bad build
@Somewhat It's Journeyman Geek's fault.
Anyone else noticed that LinkedIn started using same clickbait titles as Digg at some point?
I don't use LinkedIn...
I don't use either site so no
8:01 AM
Well, I have an account on LI, but a very passive one that even the recruiter got lazy to contact me...
I've deleted LinkedIn too, so...
Turns out it's really new for LinkedIn, didn't get any clickbait title before. But now:
> Should brands take a stand?
> Should this link be clicked!?
8:41 AM
Unfortunately, morning...
@Somewhat You sound happy...
Predicting next HNQ until it gets answered: space.stackexchange.com/questions/31722/…
@Derpy probably
Before I ask on Unix&Linux, just in case this is actually a trivial question
Does anyone know a smart way to make clamav and timeshift coexist peacefully?
8:55 AM
Peace treaty?
Without too much bad blood between the two sides, it might just work. :P
"clamav" aka Side A will get 50% of the land, "timeshift" aka Side B will get the other 50%. Done deal, all is good. :D
@ShadowWizard basically, if clamav gets to scan the snapshoot folder, it won't recognize the file links as links. So, from my poor understanding of the issue... you get number of file in the snapshot multiplied number of snapshot scansions of the same files
And how timeshift enter this formula?
Just use Sharepoint to solve it. No? ;)
@ShadowWizard timeshift is the one who creates those snapshots.
9:22 AM
@Somewhat I've decided to ask about it.
... before I run out of delete votes.
9:36 AM
!!/tea pot
@ShadowWizard brews a cup of chamomile tea for @pot
9:51 AM
hopefully no drama on the comment thread...
I'm already regretting I commented
Comments can always be deleted ;)
Delete all comments! :D
The DBA's have a SQL script ready for that ...
@rene ?
10:07 AM
@Magisch I don't see a problem. And if there is a problem flag it. Not that it matters much as flag handling is lagging 6 to 8 weeks behind
At this period, I'd support to abolish MSE just to annoy someone...
@Magisch Ugh, that number again.
Unstoppable Force, meet Immovable Object.
Yep, that number.
10:25 AM
Anyways... Apparently my company doesn't like me taking sick days. They're offering free anti-flu shots ;)
Indeed, bird flu is scary though..
I don't think the shots cover bird flu :P
So, I guess that also means it won't make sense for me to go get one ;)
10:45 AM
erh.. why was I re-reading HNQ-related meta posts again...
searching for another thing to do...
I've already sent 10 emails just today... right now I'm more feeling like a secretary than a programmer.
@Tinkeringbell I'm writing a formal risk asessment
fun (not)
@Magisch You don't want to know about the e-mails either...
I'm also picturing a parrot carrying an envelope of mail in it's beak right now
reading @Tinker's sent items folder
10:52 AM
I just did a count, I sent 15 on Monday, 25! yesterday and right now I'm at 9 (10 was an exaggeration, sorry). All about people wanting to test stuff on a T or A environment and there being differences... How hard can it be!
And the only answer I have? The guy that's supposed to know how this works is on vacation :P
I started in this team last week, and the guy that's supposed to know this stuff and teach me has decided to take this week off. I can do the programming, but no, I don't know what's wrong on the test environments! I can't even access them
@Tinkeringbell so send mass email to all company... ;)
@ShadowWizard Those are 'mass e-mails' as in the mailing list includes up to 10 people, including the manager's manager manager.
we dont even have that much hierachy in the company
It's just the department heads and then the owners
@Tinkeringbell another idea! Auto reply with that email you wrote to any email you get. :D
11:08 AM
32 secs ago, by Shadow Wizard
How no onebox?
3 deletable off-topic questions on MSE .... please vote
@rene one down (fabric)
Two down!
(node red)
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, pattern-matching website in answer, potentially bad asn for hostname in answer (167): HP Printer LaserJet Pro CP1025 freezes PC by Dheh Hdb on askubuntu.com
sd poof
12:15 PM
@ShadowWizard Autoreply.. hmmm. "I'm sorry, I know the environments are bad, if you mailed me about it, don't expect a response besides this e-mail". Like that? :P
Would make sense for private emails from friends or mother too, no? :D
Might work. I now have yet another mystery bug someone that wasn't me introduced. Which is nice, because it means I won't be doing any real work again today :/
Who wants to bet that's the environment again?
@ShadowWizard Probably. I'd replace 'the environments' with 'the world' :P
@Tinkeringbell yeah yeah blame the floor!
@ShadowWizard I was going for the wallpaper. I guess floor works too
OK, in case you ever quit your job, I found something you can do for living. "Dentist Parrot" I call this role:
12:27 PM
That isn't even a parrot.
Good luck! :D
@Tinkeringbell that is, my sister got one, it's talking. Kind of. :D
Unless "parrot" refers only to the colorful big ones? Never checked. lol
@ShadowWizard Education time!
Temporal range: Eocene – Holocene 50–0 Ma
Scientific classification
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Clade: Tetrapodomorpha
Class: Aves
Clade: Psittacopasserae
Order: Psittaciformes
Wagler, 1830
Cacatuoidea (cockatoos)
Psittacoidea (true parrots)
Strigopoidea (New Zealand parrots)

Parrots, also known as psittacines /ˈsɪtəsaɪnz/,[1][2] are birds of the roughly 393 species in 92 genera that make up the order Psittaciformes, found in most tropical and subtropical regions. The order is subdivided into three superfamilies: the Psittacoidea ("true" parrots), the Cacatuo
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in answer, link at end of answer (140): Are big cars and SUVs safer than small cars or do they just *feel* safer? by Cars India on skeptics.SE
Looks like that thing is indeed also a parrot :(
My sister called him "Shesek", he's like 20 years old by now... I think. :D
12:34 PM
We had two parakeets when I was younger. When I move out, I might get myself another bird pet, though a parrot is probably not a good idea (they need a lot of activity and not to be in a home with no-one around during work hours, as far as I understand)
@ShadowWizard ...no wonder he ended up in a mouth then...
@Tinkeringbell that green little parrot can, he's like that for most his life and still fine. Insane, but fine. ;)
@Tinkeringbell you could get two lovebirds
they keep each other company iirc
12:42 PM
@ShadowWizard I don't want my pets to go insane!
I'm not insane either. Crazy isn't insane :P
Well I know I'm insane! How? I consider trying getting back to Twitter again. :D
This time focus only on the tech side.
> in a state of mind which prevents normal perception, behaviour, or social interaction; seriously mentally ill.
12:47 PM
That is me!
> extremely enthusiastic.
> silly; stupid.
I learned a new word yesterday too: gruntled!
@Tinkeringbell lol someone called you by this name? :D
wow, surprised by its definition! definitely unrelated to grunted
12:49 PM
@ShadowWizard Nah. Just a random new word I encountered somewhere ;)
@Somewhat The etymology is nice too ;)
wondering where @Tink poke her feathers to stumble into such words
I think it was Imgur
Are there words on imgur?! :D
I don't go to the really crazy corners of the internet ;)
Never noticed....
12:51 PM
See? Imgur is more productive than Twitter...
I think I saw people ranting about Twitter on Imgur ;)
And whole Tweets got nuked? Awesome!
@Tinkeringbell on the flipside there are people on twitter ranting about imgur
Heh. And then there's people here ranting about Twitter and Imgur both.
12:52 PM
@Tinkeringbell and cache, we keep forgetting cache!
It will come back and bite us in the a$$ if we keep neglect it like that!
Found the source!
So the parrot look for cat pictures. Makes sense, yeah. :P
Know the one most likely to eat you
@ShadowWizard I would think a parrot's size would protect them from house cats...
Nah, the bigger the better for the cat, more meat. :D
Unless the parrot learns Judo or Karate and then the cat is in trouble. :P
I'm not a cat person anyways... Or any other animal that gets hairs all over your clothes.
Our rabbit was really, really bad. I spent days just ... plucking him? Like when you take a lot of tissues out of a box rapidly :P
@Tinkeringbell Humans too, after haircut. o_O
1:00 PM
@ShadowWizard I haven't had a haircut in a long time ;) I might get one before christmas...
But that's usually not too bad, get the haircut, go home, shower, put on clean clothes and wash whatever you wore to the hairdresser.
pets have a habit of getting hair on your clothes at times you can't just change your outfit ;)
Well, most men do it often, think once in two months is common. Hate that stage until I wash my head. Hairs everywhere!
@Tinkeringbell hehe, that's true.
@ShadowWizard You could go bald? Then you just have to shave every other day (I've heard :P)
1:15 PM
My hairs are all over my clothes...
@Somewhat You either have long hair or are going bald naturally. Which is it? :P
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@SmokeDetector why
@Somewhat Body - Link at end: hatsoffdigital.com
@Somewhat why??
1:26 PM
@ShadowWizard Hair - Unhealthy condition: wrong shampoo
@SmokeDetector k
smart spammer, edited spam out during grace period.
Still spam.
@ShadowWizard If you say so. I've put a flag on it.
I'll blame you if it gets declined :P
@ShadowWizard No blame for you ;)
!!/blame no one
1:38 PM
@Somewhat It's Magisch's fault.
That's rude! Magisch isn't a no one.
Smokey takes no orders for blame, just for beverage. ;)
ordering average beverage coverage deleverage? (please ignore me)
@Somewhat use Kenny if you want a blameable bot. ;)
in Shadow's Den, 26 secs ago, by KennyBOT
@ShadowWizard blames @EthanField for hairs on @Somewhat clothes
2:08 PM
Bit late, but finally did it!
Q: What happened to all the Higgledies in Ding Dong Dell?

Shadow WizardWhile running through Ding Dong Dell during chapter 8, I noticed many Higgledies scattered all around the city, mostly in places I couldn't reach. For example: (Taken from some online tutorial, not my own) However, at some point in chapter 9 while in Ding Dong Dell again, I realized all of...

@Derpy ^
@EvanCarroll if you're satisfied with non-deleted questions, you can use this SEDE query.
@Shog9 Can't be more generic than Tim. Maybe Dan. (aka impossible to find that user easily :))
@Glorfindel not sure it's the same Tim as Shog posted, but Tim from your query isn't a good asker.
> This account is temporarily suspended for voting irregularities. The suspension period ends on Nov 25 at 14:21.
If SE top network asker is suspended, it's a big shame for us all. How on earth wasn't he caught and suspended long long ago??
Also, his network profile is borked, probably as reason of many suspensions?
Saddle your horses, someone can get suspended for serial voting and not be a total fraud
but after 1000+ questions? Doubt it.
Anyway... not something for SE to be proud about.
hmm... nothing borked, turns out that "Tim" simply hide all his communities, so his network profile accounts tab is empty. Which makes it even more suspicious.
2:24 PM
I doubt anyone cares even a little
Hi shog
"Stack Exchange top asker is cheating!!11!!!" will make a good rage Tweet. :P
good to see you in the tavern again
Hate to say it, but... Most of the names in that list have something of a history - in some cases, a history almost as long as SO's. Asking lots and lots of questions is generally not a great sign; there are exceptions, but they're rare.
2:27 PM
@Shog9 that's sad indeed.
@Shog did SE/SO send some mass email to newbies (and still sending) with links to MSE?
This will explain the flood of off topic questions.
ah, yes we did
This is really big, biggest since the famous wave causing you to block questions from 1 rep users...
> [Quarterly Update] Making Stack Overflow more welcoming
2:29 PM
hah, so the plot thickens
Any chance to put this up again for a few days?
@ShadowWizard oh, nice, so you actually asked that question.
Think it required 2 rep to ask.
I was busy asking a question on Unix&Linux
Q: Using clamav efficiently when timeshift snapshots are present

SPArchaeologistAs from the question title, I am searching for a simple way to perform a full system scan using clamav on a machine that also has Timeshift based snapshooting enabled. As suggested by this answer on the Ubuntu site, I was using a command like: clamscan -r --bell -i -exclude-dir="^/sys" / (not...

@ShadowWizard probably zero chance of putting this particular genie back in the bottle; we can delete inbox notifications, but we can't delete emails
2:30 PM
@Shog9 no no
I mean this:
Q: Users with 1 rep can't view any questions here on MSE

Shadow WizardTrying to view questions with a 1 rep sock I have resulted in the Something Bad Happened: Can this please be fixed? Viewing questions while logged out (as anonymous visitor) works fine. Going to Ask Question page, I see the expected "You must have at least 2 reputation to ask a question....

I think he meant the 2 rep mse posting requirement
(not repeating the bug, though. ;))
@Magisch yep, noticed the typo, just fixed. Thanks
hmm, maybe
Please? big eyes
@Derpy nice, good luck with that! :)
2:32 PM
I finally got my first gold tag badge yesterday :D
Now I too can have a dupehammer
@Magisch horray! :D
Off-topic MSE questions by day, last 90 days
Three more off-topic posts just popped up.
The jump makes sense, we had the cheese contest and HNQ discussion featured network wide
Both are interesting to the average user, so a lot of people clicked on them
@SmokeDetector k
2:36 PM
@ShadowWizard sorry, my query isn't smart enough to detect that :)
@Shog9 heh. I went as far back as October 21st with my script so I missed that large peak. But I somehow didn't notice the increase back then.
ah, that's based on flags not posts. I'm still half asleep - should've taken more care to avoid noise from folks flagging old questions
There we go
more likely ^^
Plan B: give us double close votes. ;)
@Shog9 that's much more like I expected.
2:43 PM
Or add 30k meta privilege: ability to close questions as "does not appear to be about the software that powers the Stack Exchange network" with single vote. :D
Off Topic Hammer
The large peak in the previous graph is probably the large # of old 'MSO' questions (mainly) about tags.
Misuse would lead to long suspension, since this one would be really easy and tempting to abuse.
sorry, I can't think about any of that now. I'm too curious as to why @AnneDaunted was flagging so many old questions on October 17th
@Anne isn't pingable here. Unless you super pinged.
There is no @Anne, only @Zuul.
2:45 PM
@RobertColumbia and the One we Must Never Mention
@EvanCarroll ...
1 message moved to Trashcan
@Somewhat suspension. The suspension on at least one site was due to poor quality questions.
And ever since we see this user ranting about it.
@Magisch thanks for cleaning
Chat flags are so weird. When you click "approve" on a flag raised by someone else, looks like it's causing whole new flag to be raised on your behalf.
It is. But that's not really the weird part. It also raises a flag on your behalf if you click "invalid"... or "not sure"
a negative flag?
@Shog9 whoa
Can't be more inefficient, I guess. lol
2:53 PM
Truth is, chat has the concept of a "meh" flag (technical jargon alert) - a flag that you raise when you don't have any particular opinion
@Magisch a "disagree with existing flags" flag, we had it in the ancient 10k flag queue.
I just wanted to flag-flag
I never used it for real because I was never sure enough how it works.
nothing in particular is happening, but flags are cool so I wanted one
A sufficient volume of "meh" flags will quash other flags
2:54 PM
@Shog9 Sounds painful
(pretty sure this is documented on meta somewhere)
never read it
Are those meh flags piling up on that poor other flag?
@Shog9 only for 10k mod tools flag queue R.I.P, surely not chat.
@Magisch ^
Example of the horror. :D
@Shog I didn't find documentation, just the posts when it was launched.
Q: 10k+ users can see flags now, but can't unflag

PëkkaThe new flag queue for 10k+ users is very interesting, but it lacks a crucial feature: Actually disagreeing with the flags shown. Those who think a contribution deserves a flag, will add their own flag or close vote to the pile. Those who think the flag is unjustified, can do nothing except mayb...

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