I said it once and I will say it again, I have done my share of community management on UO and I have since stopped fighting windmills (even when those windmills are actual giants going rampaging while fire-ignoring dogs keep repeating "it is fine").
The shield is rusty, the lance is dull. Quixote days are a thing of past
@JourneymanGeek a free muffin would have been better, but.. thanks, I suppose?
Just don't try to give me a bag of Scooby Snacks. If you dogs like that thing... we pony don't
@JourneymanGeek Think you replied to the wrong message. I assume you meant to reply to the "it is fine" thing right? Sorry, that was poorly explained. It is not a direct reference to the last episode of the recent chain of events. Just a comment on my personal experience at sticking my nose into community management in the past
"who are you to come in this argument? who knows you? Paladins should be able to use poisoned weapons like every other class. There is no problem here"
And yeah, 4+ years is reasonable for memory to expire... :D
@Derpy umm... and... how is it related to Stack Exchange?
Thought you meant something with SE... :/
So you tried once again to manage something there and got things messed up? @Derpy
I was never part of a MMORPG community/forum - I did play bunch and posted few messages, but never took a really active part so really no idea how those forums/communities are going.
I guess it's not that nice and welcoming, and with like 99.999% teenager boys who make fun on the rest 0.001% who either don't say they are males are directly say they are females. In such case, I really don't understand why you tried to get your head into it in the first place, @Derpy.
@ShadowWizard Long ago, in a far far away land, there was a private UO shard. It was a small server, with little resources, but the people that created it were friends. And so that little server grew and prosper for a while, slowly getting bigger and famous as more and more people started to play there.
Then, a dark day, a friendship problem arose, and broke the harmony that where there. Two member of the staff fought, and one of them, a developer on the server, had the brilliant idea to take revenge on the other. So, he accused him to cheat, and went as far as to rig the server script to his disadvantage. He would take double damage, do less damage to other and a whole bunch of other random effects
The server was hosted by a gaming network that lent the required hardware in exchange of a little ads space on the server site. They stepped in in the dispute.
Before long, an even bigger mess was rampaging around. The network trusted the developer that rigged the game, and the other staff member replied with a nice "say what? I'm out of here" and went away.... taking half of the community with him.
The few left tried to rebuild the community. Some tried to trust that staff developer, some lingered there only because they didn't want to restart a new character from scratch somewhere else. And a few didn't even notice the change.
Many changes to the gameplay where done, much trash was thrown on the old staff work now that they weren't around anymore. Much work was done to undo their work. The stories they had created. The places they had dreamed
And then, in a last act of despise... Lord British was killed, taking the essence of Britannia with him. New gods were created, new factions named, character backgrounds falling in oblivion as the tapestry of the past was written out of existence.
and yet we stand there, still lingering in our smaller groups, pretending all was fine while we tried to dream a dream of normality.
But fate is a trollish beast, and history repeats.
The second staff fell of the graces of the network owners gods, and followed the destiny the first one has walked before them.
@Derpy why didn't you try to do as @Magisch and become a developer/staff yourself? Or can you maybe still do it and save what's remaining of the private server, if possible?
Blamed, accused, ostracized.... they too went away as a new staff took their place. And so a new time of changes swept the land. That time the world had to go.
So strong was the hate, so strong was the despise, that the world was made anew. The pantheon crushed, the story resetted, as a world wide calamity crafted a story that would allow them to start from scratch.
@Magisch of course not, no virtual shop items have, and yet people buy them for billions upon billions of dollars, all around the world. That's how game development companies survive.
If someone steal, it's not their role to stop them.
And so it came, an invisible foe, and the few still here escaped to a different land. It was just identical to the old one, mind you. The staff didn't make any change at the map, that would have required actual work and effort.
But the name was changed, because they felt that the name carried the memories of the old builders.
@Magisch that's the fair thing to do, sure... but server declaring "free refund of ingame shopping" won't survive long, money-wise, and that's just a cruel fact. Not fair, but business are never fair.
it is somehow funny. The song was written long before Ultima Online was even developed, and certainly wasn't meant to be about a single, unofficial server.
yet, oddly, it fits that story pretty well.
> Long ago ran the sun on a folk who had a dream And the heart and the will and the power: They moved earth; they carved stone; moulded hill and channeled stream That we might stand on the wide plains of Wiltshire.
> Now men asked who they were, how they built and wonder why That they wrought standing stones of such size. What was done 'neath our shade? What was pray'ed 'neath our skies As we stood on the wyrd plains of Wiltshire.
> Oh what secrets we could tell if you'd listen and be still. Rid the stink and the noise from our skirts. But you haven't got the clue and perhaps you never will. Mute we stand on the cold plains of Wiltshire.
> Still we loom in the mists as the ages roll away And we say of our folk, "they are here!" That they built us and they died and you'll not be knowing why Save we stand on the bare plains of Wiltshire.
... in the end, one could say we wrote our story so that the song was about us.
I DREAMED A DREAM IN DAYS GONE BY / WHEN SPAM WAS PLENTIFUL AND CHAT QUITE BUGGY / I DREAMED THAT SHEEP WOULD ALWAYS BEEP / I DREAMED THAT @ART WOULDN'T YELL AT ME FOR ABUSING SMOKEY CREDS
MY DAD IS ONE OF THOSE, MADE FOR A REALLY FUNNY TIME WHEN I DID MY TYPING COURSES ON THE FAMILY PC AND HAD TO USE STICKERS TO BLOCK THE LETTERS TO AVOID EXACTLY THAT :P
Remember how you started programming? I’d bet that when many of you were kids who played with graphic editors after school and at some point decided to find out what the difference between .img and .exe files was. As a result, you installed Turbo Pascal and instead of working with funny pictures,...
I have read the question multiple times now and I still can't understand what it is supposed to mean
I mean...
> At some point, on Stack Overflow in Russian we had gotten a lot of questions with greetings. Some users began to edit the questions, which resulted in a large number of edits in the review queue.
and
> The first step towards joint development is to start sharing our problems, findings, and initiatives with all international communities.
..... wasn't that one of the purposes of Meta in the first place?
SE certainly didn't help by elevating the twitter post from "random complainer #19992318822 this tuesday" to "more effective and taken more seriously then many years of meta voting and discussion"
@Magisch 'any actual harassment' is a far cry from what I meant by 'not give it attention, don't lower yourself to that level'. I think it would be great if mods could have some rules on using Twitter too.
Just wondering... Serious question here. How many users in this rooms actually remember the kind of questions Anime used to be full of in its old days?
@Tinkeringbell I'll echo what I said in TL. If someone starts bashing the community that you've helped build without good reason, and the people who should have defended it are throwing you under the bus, then it's entirely normal to want to step in and defend it yourself.
@Tinkeringbell but... we don't have that, and actually moderators are the people who do community outreach and external engagement for SE sites, because SE doesn't
I thought we chose mods exactly because they seem like the people who can represent and in a way guide the community. Mods are the least likely to go on harrassing users in twitter, and I don't think that's ever happened.
I can only see put-downs and toxic behaviour from the "other" side (so to speak, by which I just mean the offended twitter user and the "SRE") in this event
@ArtOfCode Well, may just be me then. I wouldn't have graced that retweet, original tweet, or Adams reaction with any reaction outside of SE, because that's how I was taught to behave.
Honestly, I could've jumped up, told her to buzz off, said all the things I'd have loved to say while feeling hurt... it wouldn't have made a single difference. I can't access the codebase and revert changes... I can only be mad that someone decided to pull IPS out of HNQ instead of editing titles, instead of telling the community that there were complaints and we need to mind our titles.
In a sense, Kelly wasn't wrong in her observation. She was wrong in the medium she picked to convey it (at least to me, she was) and the words she used to do so (as if she were speaking for all people, in…
@Magisch This perfectly fits in good faith. Just a chaotic neutral kind of good faith towards someone being offended on twitter, rather than assuming good faith toward everyone involved
I think this has more to do with the global atmosphere of "guilty unless proven innocent" which seems very prevalent these days. Horrible people being accused of horrible things, and every once in a while innocent people being accused of horrible things, and in the end the lives of both kinds of people are in ruins
How about this: If somebody uses the word "mansplaining", we assume they don't want to be explained anything, we won't provide any explanation - and we act as if we had and they agreed with us
the original legitimate use was borne from the need to point out that sometimes perspective differences are important for the outcome of a discussion in a snappy way
It's ... unconstructive, sure. Properly explained would be "your perspective colors the way you look at this in a way that impacts your conclusion unduely" but that's long winded
@AndrasDeak oh, don't worry. The last image I posted wasn't about the question I made ^_^. This one was about the current situation and the "IPS scandal"
