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12:10 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Como una plataforma de cobro en linea parecido a la forma de cobro de Netflix by Jorge Villavicencio Correa on es.stackoverflow.com

Journeyman Geek

12:45 AM

@SomethingBadHappened You literally just run code on someone else's server with no idea about the underlying system at all

user168476

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I feel like this is solving the wrong problem

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

1:02 AM

@Ash Why is that?

I remember talking about this with Catija back when we met up in April, but I don't remember what she said about it.

Journeyman Geek

If you're going to give someone mod powers, you might as well go all the way

If mods are inactive though you have other issues

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Didn't say I'd want to restrict their privileges. Just say that I'd expect them to defer to other, "non-supplemental" mods if something involves the subject matter. Also, moderating a site can teach you quite a bit about the subject. (I often find that I understand a post better if I edit it.)

Journeyman Geek

1:17 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog with the former? ehhhhhhhhh. In the background we actually often cross check things, If you are not listening to the other mods, things do not go smoothly

as for the latter. Seeing the reactions people have to some of your edits, I'm not always convinced

The ability to step back and consider alternate viewpoints from both regular (and trusted) users and deferring to the community as a whole is very useful

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek On IPS and other sites, they're positively received, as can be evidenced by the reviewers who approve my edits.

This is the only site where I have binding edit privileges.

@JourneymanGeek In fact, I specifically said "feel free to rollback if this isn't what you mean" in one of my recent edit summaries.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog knowing then to leave a post in place is essential

if you think it might be rolled back, commenting might work better

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle

The BOLD, revert, discuss cycle (BRD) is an optional method of reaching consensus. This process is not mandated by Wikipedia policy, but it can be useful for identifying objections, keeping discussion moving forward and helping to break deadlocks. In other situations, you may have better success with alternatives to this approach. Care and diplomacy should be exercised. Some editors will see any reversion as a challenge, so be considerate and patient. Bold editing is a fundamental principle of Wikipedia. All editors are welcome to make positive contributions. When in doubt, edit! Similarly, if...

Anyway, my point is, normally, the team tries to appoint more mods if moderation activity slows down, and if no one steps up, it creates a case for closing the site. Currently, the team only appoints mods with subject or site experience; my draft proposal is to allow the team to take on mods who don't have much site experience but do have SE experience, and are willing to learn the norms of the site.

We do have sites where the mods know about the subject a lot but don't know how SE works. This would create mod teams that know both about the subject and SE.

Journeyman Geek

Shouldn't this be on meta?

And personally as someone who had a fair amount of SE experience, I don't think what I do on SU gives me the right stuff to moderate something like, say IPS directly

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek "draft". I don't want an incomplete proposal to reach meta and attract downvotes from people who misinterpret it. In fact, one of the stated reasons of this room is to get opinion from other users and help writing FRs in order to increase the likelihood they're positively received.

Journeyman Geek

1:26 AM

And of course, many many issues don't need to be looked at at once so we might be solving an issue which dosen't exist.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek "and are willing to learn the norms of the site"

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog why would someone who dosen't be engaged enough to want to moderate the site?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Many FRs spend so much time being active before being implemented. I have a few of those.

Journeyman Geek

More specifically what would an outsider bring that a 10ker with a little mentorship couldn't

Or more specifically if we need "outsiders" - the broader goals of community outreach and "management" are not met, and your community is not stepping up to take care of itself

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek You make a good point. If a town's police force is so bad that police from another city many miles away need to step in to resolve things, perhaps the city itself is doomed.

Journeyman Geek

1:30 AM

At this point, you probably want the CM team looking at why the site is dead, and the intristic and extrinsic motivations for people to stay or come back

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

See, alternative opinions I get here factor into my decision of whether or not to actually propose ideas. If I posted this on Meta quickly, I would have gotten downvotes from users who think this way.

Journeyman Geek

The one situation where I think this can work is if the person you appoint somehow is both engaged in the topic and charismatic enough to singlehandedly save a site. and selfless enough to spend the time and effort on the site

But if SE knows of people like that, they bloody well hire them cause they're rare

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek For instance, Michael Eisner and Disney?

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog well other than selfless, Jobs, Dell...

I can't think of anyone who can walk into a dead site and save it of the mods (I'm sorry!) or CMs ;p

Well a random one anyway

I know of a few site where a rescoping helped, but that is/was/will be a team effort

But that's folks already engaged in a site, familiar and well, its the work of community building as a collective.

SmokeDetector

2:19 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, link at end of answer: Clustering tendency using hopkin's statistics by aditya56 on datascience.SE

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Catija Enjoying the rain?

Journeyman Geek

._. dude, mildly creepy.

I know you both live in the same town but still...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

2:37 AM

Caught in the middle of a rainstorm here

@JourneymanGeek I honestly don't believe that that's creepy.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog It is

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Why is that?

Journeyman Geek

Well, it crosses boundaries that most people have. Its a shade better than "I know what you did last summer" or "HI! I AM LOOKING THROUGH YOUR WINDOW!"

People may choose to engage with you outside the internet, or even talk about some personal stuff to people on the internet but you need to respect that they might not want folks mentioning real life stuff, especially geographical locations all the time.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek What would be creepy is if someone were to see what song I'm listening to right now on Spotify and post it here. What I said above is nowhere near that.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog it still crosses what I feel are acceptable boundaries.

As a fellow user - if someone did that to me, that would creep me out.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

2:41 AM

So if I happened to live in Singapore and I pinged you about some weather event, you'd find it creepy?

Journeyman Geek

You're autistic right? Trust me when I talk about boundaries for people who are not non neurotypocal the same way.

Absolutely!

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Depends on the person. You might find it creepy, but I don't, and if she finds it creepy, she can let me know, and I'll stop...

Catija

"the call is from inside the house" When A Stranger Calls(1979).wmv

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Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog so.. here's the thing. People might be a little too polite. People might not notice. If you're constantly expecting specific people to tell you specifically it is creepy, it makes it impossible for me, as an RO to try to help the folks in question till its too late.

Then I end up needing to set rules

and people get mad at us for that, when I just rather tell you, straight up that normal people find that creepy.

Somewhat

Honestly, it's creepy for me... while I sometimes contact my friend when I heard something (e.g. my friend in Japan, about the deadly hot weather), I do it on private channel.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

2:44 AM

@JourneymanGeek I think I've explicitly told people that if they find something amiss with my behavior towards themselves, let me know, because there generally aren't enough signals here for me to figure that out.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I did. Expliclty.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek "towards themselves"

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog See. That attitude will not fly.

Hi. I'm an RO. I have been given limited powers and a bloody heavy amount of responsibility.

I'm trying to tell you this is creepy so you and I can save ourselves the drama of someone actually feeling creeped out.

Or worse, unsafe

We can dance around this all day, or you can listen for once before things get worse and someone else decided the tavern isn't worth it.

I'm trying to help you man, just listen for once.

Somewhat

I won't suddenly ping someone here, even if I know personally, and say... "you just had an expensive lunch?"

Journeyman Geek

You don't like to be yelled at. You won't listen to hints. You won't listen to me trying to tell you, nicely not to do something, and keep justifying that specific people need to tell you to stop.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

2:48 AM

@JourneymanGeek Alright, alright. But I'm curious about something:

Journeyman Geek

How do you want me to do this?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Catija Did you actually consider that creepy?

Journeyman Geek

Cause I'm trying to deal with this, right now.

Somewhat

this is a public chat room

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog part of what I've been saying is the justification that you need each and every person to set their own boundaries makes it very difficult for us to try to help you when you're doing stuff that people are not comfortable with.

Catija

2:50 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog A random, unsolicited ping late at night when I'm not already in here to ask me if I'm enjoying the rain... yeah, it's kinda weird. It's one thing if I'm here and already engaging in conversation and talking about weather or something... but to do it out of the blue... doesn't really make sense to me.

Journeyman Geek

More precisely, if someone, especially an RO or mod/cm asks you to stop doing something, its cause its an issue that has been brought up here or elsewhere. We're trying our best to help you and others, well, enjoy being in this chatroom.

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Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Catija Got it.

user168476

In general, if someone says "hello, this thing is uncomfortable", that kinda needs to be the point where you go "okay" and not do the thing, regardless of whether or not it's the person you're actively directing the comment to. This is a public room, so like...more people get a say, and everyone has a right to say "hey, this is not great", and have those feelings be respected as valid.

Somewhat

I won't care if you say that through, let's say, WhatsApp, or anything else. As an introvert person, I might even encourage it, if you are already a close friend and want to have a better... I dunno, communication skill? Though, probably an introduction would help, like "it's raining heavily here!", not suddenly "enjoying the rain?"...

Journeyman Geek

Yeah!

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

2:54 AM

@Somewhat I can email her

Catija

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog You have a great need for "from the horse's mouth" support and that's something that I understand... I like getting it, too... but you have got to get used to not getting it all the time because most of the time in my experience, you're going to have to assume that what other informed people are telling you - is the case.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I would also publish the email exchange between me and Shog9 (which I sent Catija a copy), but I can't do that without Shog's permission.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog why?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek I can publish the email I sent, but not Shog's response.

Journeyman Geek

... dude, I said "Why?" not "what?"

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

2:56 AM

It's considered rude to publish private correspondence without permission from all parties.

Journeyman Geek

My bad. CLEARLY I was too mysterious

Catija

I think JG's asking why you would do that...

Journeyman Geek

"Why would you want to publish an email you sent and potentially it is response?"

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Sorry, I thought you meant "why can't you do it without Shog's permission?"

Journeyman Geek

Or maybe "What good do you think that would do?"

Somewhat

2:58 AM

Err... no, I don't need to know the email exchange between you, Shog, and Catija. I just want you to at least try to putting in our shoes instead and have a little more trust in what us considered as... norms

Journeyman Geek

Ok. Extremely simple, pointed question. How do I tell you certain boundaries are mostly universal, with respect to this room?

I don't want to have to get each and every person to have to tell you "no, don't do that"

I don't want to set formal rules.

I would like to avoid needing to yell.

I want to go "Ok, most people would feel uncomfortable with $foo, please don't do this" and have you do it with minimal arguement, backtalk or justification

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Alright, got it.

Journeyman Geek

I would like this to also extend to other ROs and CMs here.

In return, I will try to avoid yelling at you, and I promise people will like you more.

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Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek I'll tell you about a real life situation that firmed up this behavior in me. A while ago, I worked with a mentor, learning how to teach kids. I found quite a few things wrong with their teaching skill, and I was quick to mention those to them. The main advisor of the program came to me and told me what I was doing was "offensive", so I stopped.

A few days later, the mentor asked me why I wasn't giving them critical feedback, and I told them what the advisor said, and they said that they actually preferred and appreciated such feedback.

So that's why I'm always a little leery when someone says some social action is bad; there's been quite a few documented cases where the actual person involved came forward and told me they didn't find it bad.

Journeyman Geek

maaaan

yanno, I thought that we were making some progress

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

3:08 AM

@JourneymanGeek Thought I'd give you the context. Didn't say "I still stand by my behavior because..."

Journeyman Geek

Literally every single time someone here has tried to help you with behaviour we felt was a problem, you try to justify it with something like this.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Geez, whenever I try to explain my past behavior people always take it as "I still stand by it because..." when I definitely don't mean that.

Journeyman Geek

"hey, this is a problem because" ... "but this entirely different situation worked that way!"

I've explicitly set out rules because you say you prefer that people are direct and blunt. Yet you keep trying to carve out exceptions.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, I can see there's a difference here. The mentor in question wasn't involved in my chat between me and the advisor, so they couldn't immediately come forward and say, "I don't find that offensive".

Journeyman Geek

Well, this is a shared space with many people.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

3:11 AM

Here, Catija didn't do that, so I should have assumed that she agrees with what you're saying.

Somewhat

some social action might be not as bad as you think, but well, the approach is important too

Journeyman Geek

once again, we've talked about how "you cannot expect each and every single person to tell you a specific behaviour is unwelcome"

user168476

Here's the thing, you're not having one-on-one conversations in here though, not really - this is a public room, so.....comfort level is shared with everyone. So maybe you're right, maybe @Catija is okay with it, but you're still making other people uncomfortable.

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Journeyman Geek

Explicitly, and in detail.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Ash You make a good point.

Somewhat

3:13 AM

@Ash this. Basically this.

Journeyman Geek

Thanks @Ash ;p

(for basically saying in a single line what I have been trying to put across for the last half hour or so)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Okay, I won't disagree with you or anyone else telling me some action here is bad. I may still ask why, but that doesn't mean I'm disagreeing.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I will keep complaining until things improve. Then I will have nothing to complain about.

(happy happy days that will be!)

user168476

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Understand that explaining why shouldn't be necessary - I might find it uncomfortable for intensely personal reasons that I should not have to explain to a public google indexed chat just so you will stop.

Journeyman Geek

Just assume an RO or "mod" speaks for everyone. If someone is unhappy with us doing so specifically, they can let us know, and we can come to an understanding.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

3:17 AM

@Ash Asking why doesn't mean I'm disagreeing -> I won't mind if you refuse to tell me why, but I may courtesy request the reason.

Somewhat

or "when in doubt, just do it on private channel"...

Catija

If the other party says they don't mind, find somewhere else to do it... it's still making the people in here uncomfortable. If I have major fears of clowns but you're talking to someone who loves clowns and posting images... if that person says "please, you're making me really uncomfortable with the images of clowns"... it might be a good time to stop posting them unless you want to exclude them from a public place. Go talk about clowns in a less general mainstream place.

Somewhat

I hate myself that I had to star some of these...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

My previous (not current) opinion is that if some conversation here doesn't involve them, they shouldn't be annoyed. (Just explaining some context, NOT saying that I still hold that opinion.)

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Which is wrong.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

3:20 AM

@JourneymanGeek "not current"

Journeyman Geek

An essential part of being a community is we watch out for each other.

user168476

@Catija And moreover, I don't need to explain my fear of clowns to you for you to understnad that this is not the room/tome/whatever for clown talk

Catija

@Ash Yep... having to explain can just exacerbate the problem.

user168476

Exactly.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I stand by this however:

2 days ago, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Catija I just want to say, thanks for putting up with my antics ever since the beginning. I know life has been hard on you, having to take care of a (now) two-year-old, as well as another little one in the works. I'd like to apologize for it all.

Journeyman Geek

3:22 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog So make it easier on others. Listen.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Happy Labor Day everyone

Travis J

@Somewhat You can star this if you want, just for some balance.

I kinda came in here for some reverie

Journeyman Geek

Sorry :(

Travis J

Was expecting more of a light weight environment...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek TBH I should be the one saying sorry.

Journeyman Geek

3:25 AM

@TravisJ trying to lay some groundwork for that. The past week has been tense.

Travis J

Man I feel ya, just letting it be known I am still in weekend mode :P

Catija

It's almost Tuesday... weekend's over. :P

Journeyman Geek

Ash (the dog) has had a bad foot. He's gotten better. Loves the attention though

lol

I work wed-friday this week ;p

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Ash The dog's named after you :)

Somewhat

Yesterday (Monday) still felt like a weekend, so...

I have to really do my work today...

Catija

3:27 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Huh?

Journeyman Geek

Naw, the dog was named by his former owner, who probably dosen't know @Ash the mod exists ;)

We've been cleaning his foot with anticeptic ...

and tried an epsom salt foot-bath...

Travis J

Ash makes me think of catchin em all

Journeyman Geek

which he seems to love

user168476

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog no?

Catija

I have 63 pings sitting in my inbox since ~6 pm Friday...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

3:28 AM

@Ash "[smiley face]"

Travis J

@Catija - Looks like 64 to me ;)

Journeyman Geek

FUnny thing is Ash was so named cause his ex-mom thought he would turn grey with age.

@TravisJ technically if she checked, it should be back to 0

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek He never gets old

Journeyman Geek

Dogs don't have massive colour changes.

Travis J

yarr, that be true

Catija

3:29 AM

@JourneymanGeek Well, I guess that's better than naming a kid "Amber" because of their golden baby hair and then having them turn into a brunette as an adult.

Journeyman Geek

I didn't know that happens lol. Most asians are dark haired

Catija

@TravisJ Chat pings only increment if I don't catch them quickly... otherwise, it'd be much, much higher.

Somewhat

brr... hearing Amber always reminds me of AMBER alert...

Journeyman Geek

I think the most I've had was 15 overnight

But I am in a lot of rooms

Travis J

@Somewhat I was in a crowded restaurant once when one of those things went off. It was like a freaking war siren or something. Everyone's phone did it at once, like, 250 peoples worth of that sound.

Journeyman Geek

3:31 AM

0_0

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@TravisJ Parallel computing

I've done some work with that before.

Journeyman Geek

AMBER alert is for missing children right?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Yes

Catija

@TravisJ I have them all turned off. Weather alerts, amber alerts, silver alerts... whichever...

Travis J

@Catija You rebel

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

3:31 AM

I got a weather alert the day I first flew into Austin to start school

Journeyman Geek

I don't think our ISP does those

Somewhat

@TravisJ fortunately, I haven't experienced that, though my friend who in Japan... is like, hearing earthquake alert almost everyday :)

Catija

@TravisJ They scare me and interrupt movies since the alerts ignore the volume settings on your phone. You practically have to turn your phone off if you want to prevent them from coming in and making a huge ruckus.

Journeyman Geek

ow

Travis J

@Somewhat yikes

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

3:33 AM

Wireless Emergency Alerts

Wireless Emergency Alerts (WEA, formerly known as the Commercial Mobile Alert System (CMAS), and prior to that as the Personal Localized Alerting Network (PLAN)), is an alerting network in the United States designed to disseminate emergency alerts to mobile devices such as cell phones and pagers. == Background == The Federal Communications Commission proposed and adopted the network structure, operational procedures and technical requirements in 2007 and 2008 in response to the Warning, Alert, and Response Network (WARN) Act passed by Congress in 2006, which allocated $106 million to fund...

Journeyman Geek

Ok, this is oddddddd

Travis J

@Catija I think mine are off sometimes, it is hard to tell if updates turn em back on or what happens with it

Journeyman Geek

I am watching a youtube video where someone was making a hand powered saw. Then suddenly pizza.

Travis J

lol

Somewhat

They gonna slice it, right? right!?

Journeyman Geek

3:34 AM

yup

Its a nice pretty device

just not really a saw

Travis J

Are you running multiple displays?

Journeyman Geek

Making a Hand Powered Circular Saw - Surgical Instruments

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Natch

dual for now

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

The Coke Zero & Mentos Rocket Car

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@JourneymanGeek Watch this

Journeyman Geek

Why?

(I love machining and making videos, I will totally do stuff like that if I had the space ._.)

Somewhat

You should ~~try jQuery~~ make videos...

Journeyman Geek

3:36 AM

lol

Travis J

Turns out hand powered circular saws don't really have much practical application.

Stephen Rauch

3:53 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog, Hello, So I proposed an edit to a post of yours. You rejected it. All I have to say is: Really?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@StephenRauch Please see the rejection reason.

MSE is not a per-site meta. The question and answer are about accessing a per-site meta from the corresponding main site.

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

4:49 AM

@StephenRauch that's not really fair. The fact he many times ask why his edits are rejected and "fight" for them does not mean he is expected to blindly approve all edits made on his own posts. If anything, saying "I don't want to explain" when asked why he rejected will be a "really?!" situation.

Magisch

morning

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

(as in doing to others something he hates being done to him)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard Well, I explained it in the rejection summary already.

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

I know

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/59544 is the one in question

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard Also, the FAQ says that if you're not sure why a user rejected an edit, you should ping the user who rejected it in chat.

Journeyman Geek

4:55 AM

@ShadowtheWelcomingWizard actually I typically do answer when asked - but the answer is often "It dosen't respect the intent of the poster". I only get annoyed when he goes extreme rules lawyer on me.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek I've respected your reasons for rejecting or rolling back, right?

Stephen Rauch

5:26 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog, Do you think I do not not know how to read? Or maybe I do not actually bother to read? Is that why your response is that I should just read your rejection notes? That statement implies that I did not, or maybe could not read what you wrote. My English skills are good. Thank you for your concern.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog, So I will be more explicit in expressing my consternation. I feel your reject reason was narrow to the point of silliness. You are of course entitled to it. But to what end? Is your goal to make sure that no one else ever contributes, because their contribution was not perfect? Really? Well, more power to you...

Massimo Ortolano

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Looking at one of your recent edits, please don't change the British spelling into the American spelling, there's no need for that and this kind of edits are usually frowned upon on many sites.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@MassimoOrtolano It was tagged as a proposed FAQ, and those are standardized on American spelling. Also, the author had explicitly asked for their question to be edited.

@StephenRauch "Really, you rejected my edit?" very strongly implies that you didn't check the rejection reason. "I don't understand the reason for rejection, can you please explain?" is a better way to express that you did read it.

@StephenRauch If you submit another edit that addresses the rejection reason, I might approve it...

@MassimoOrtolano Also, that was the only time I've ever only edited the localized form of spelling in a post. Generally, I always pair it with some other major edit.

@Tinkeringbell How's your knot-tying project going?

Stephen Rauch

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog, So you are suggesting that I should take a second cut at winning your approval? Why? I feel that the first cut was fine and was rejected arbitrarily. Why do you think I would be interested in trying to impress you with a second cut at this? Why do you think I need to care what you think?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

5:41 AM

@StephenRauch It wasn't "arbitrary", I explained why I rejected your edit, and gave a further explanation here after you first asked me. It's my post; it's why SE gave post owners binding edit review powers and the ability to override edit outcomes if they disagree with community reviewers' decisions. I also told you that if you submit an edit that addresses the rejection reason, I'd approve it.

2 hours ago, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

MSE is not a per-site meta. The question and answer are about accessing a per-site meta from the corresponding main site.

I can go further than that if you want.

Stephen Rauch

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog, thank you for the response, we are obviously going to disagree on this. Cheers.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@StephenRauch If you submit a screenshot of Stack Overflow, or Super User, or Travel, or some other Q&A site, that would work. A screenshot of stackexchange.com or Meta Stack Exchange doesn't clearly express the point, and since your screenshot was of that, I rejected your edit.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog not always the idea I've gotten but I think this may be a good learning experience for you.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek The difference is, I provide these explanations. You, on the other hand, refuse to do so even after I ask.

This type of explanation is exactly what I want when I ask for one.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog more that this is literally the same tone I get when I try

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

5:53 AM

I never complained that your edit rejection or rollback was "arbitrary"; every subsequent message was based on the content of your response.

Journeyman Geek

At least from my point of view. Its less about the edits than "this is exactly what people see when you do it"

Somewhat

6:07 AM

I want this

Magisch

→ 2 messages moved to Chimney

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

@Somewhat the dog? The board?

Magisch

Seems like I missed quite a busy night in the tavern

Journeyman Geek

lol

@Magisch more a "work in progress"

Magisch

sigh

Shadow the Welcoming Wizard

6:24 AM

heh can't use @Ano now without pinging poor @anonymous2 lol... well... @Sonic for what it's worth, I agree with the rejection, and added a "correct" screenshot with FHRC.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Please do not call me Ano again. I've stopped liking it.

Somewhat

Well, there's @B‍art and @J‍ourney ~

(err.. I think I screwed up)

Journeyman Geek

@Somewhat how so?

Somewhat

apparently not @_@

Magisch

Evil plan from outer space: If we all change our names to a subset of Journeyman Geek, he'll be pinged whenever someone pings us

Somewhat

6:30 AM

@JourneymanGeek I was tricked by myself. Notepad++ doesn't even show ZWJ even with "Show All Characters" @_@

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch would almost work other than I think people have enough legitimate reasons to ping me, and more so than a lot of people.

Tinkeringbell

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Stop that. You've had plenty of warnings now from the RO's and CM's here. Don't randomly ping me, as I already told you back in May. The next one I'll just flag.

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek touche

Somewhat

@manGee

nope, subset doesn't work

Journeyman Geek

(Actually that's a pretty interesting thing. I actually am ok with a certain amount of pinging for non official stuff on SE chat. I did grow up on IRC)

For official stuff, ugh, I really would rather formal means simply cause if you ping me, I'll possibly forget and nothing gets done

Drag and Drop

6:53 AM

Hi, @Everyone.

Tinkeringbell

@DragandDrop Morning! Were you dragged in here? Or did someone drop you off?

2

Journeyman Geek

Depends on whether it was a mouse or a cat that did the dragging and dropping....

Somewhat

Hi, @NoOne.

ugh, this reminds me why there's "everyone", "someone", but no "noone"...

rene

@Tinkeringbell in the category bad jokes ... winner ...

Drag and Drop

I am comming to this room on my own volition, not due to force or the influence of any other person and I make this..

Somewhat

6:56 AM

@rene unlike... that flower joke.. in English?

Tinkeringbell

@Somewhat there's a song about no one

rene

@Somewhat ha!

Tinkeringbell

@rene This room is a bad influence on my sense of humour :)

Drag and Drop

I got a question.. Is that A good Idea to ask for good question/answer on meta? Im tired of Json/c# question answer that are 80% duplicate, 80% plagiat. Either I go Under 1k rep just by shooting everyone standing in front of a roomba

Somewhat

Some sites have a guide/FAQ on how to write a good question/answer on their meta, though usually it's very generalized. Some has gone beyond to handle more specific kinds (like Scifi.SE's "How to ask..." series). I don't know though for SO, since it's too big. Otherwise, you probably wanted to discuss with their community on particular language's chat room...

rene

7:05 AM

@DragandDrop like this: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/373074/… ?

Somewhat

Otherwise, I might misunderstand your intent...

Travis J

If they are mostly duplicate, doesn't that mean canonicals exist?

Drag and Drop

7:20 AM

I wan't to have a really well construct answer on how to serilise deserialise that do not look like "the 101 Library and totaly different way to deserialize". There are a lot of unique good answer to those question, but they are not on the same question.

Somewhat

Hmm... either a (new) canonical Q&A, or merging existing Q&A...

At this point, I think it's better to ask about that on MSO, just like rene's link

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: see your body as a haven. by KevnEdele on graphicdesign.SE

Travis J

294

A: How can I parse JSON with C#?

I am assuming you are not using Json.NET (Newtonsoft.Json NuGet package). If this the case, then you should try it. It has the following features: LINQ to JSON The JsonSerializer for quickly converting your .NET objects to JSON and back again Json.NET can optionally produce well formatted, ind...

276

Q: Deserializing JSON to .NET object using Newtonsoft (or LINQ to JSON maybe?)

I know there are a few posts about Newtonsoft so hopefully this isn't exactly a repeat...I'm trying to convert JSON data returned by Kazaa's API into a nice object of some kind WebClient client = new WebClient(); Stream stream = client.OpenRead("http://api.kazaa.com/api/v1/search.json?q=muse&typ...

Probably close with one of those

If you are looking for a canonical dupe target

Or, if you want to post a canonical answer, post it on one of those

Or, if you would like to talk about cats, press 3.

Somewhat

pressed '3'

Travis J

yasss

3

Drag and Drop

7:26 AM

i will compile the question this weekend to mutch source to put together.

Tinkeringbell

@TravisJ Is that yours?

Travis J

@Tinkeringbell lol I wish, mine looks a lot like that though

Drag and Drop

@TravisJ What is this vegetable organisation? do you just throw then in the fridge?

Somewhat

that's called... art ;)

Travis J

@DragandDrop The problem was that apparently they got ordered lexicographically instead of by type

Drag and Drop

7:28 AM

I have no issue with the cat till you have proper order in that fridge. He could be eating your guts , you deserve it ..

Tinkeringbell

@TravisJ It's a pretty breed :) I generally prefer long-haired over short-haired animals :)

SmokeDetector

7:40 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad ns for domain in answer: What is the exclamation mark in the bottom right corner for in Photos for iOS? by Ricky Thakur on apple.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Vans or cars which sell breakfast, what is this called? by Avneesh Panwar on english.SE

rene

@SmokeDetector maybe not enough to call it rude but just a link to Google ...

Journeyman Geek

8:09 AM

@TravisJ eggs veggies sausages and cat together...

Do you want to get salmonella and toxoplasmosis? Cause this is how you do it....

Travis J

You see, the thing about that is... It was all going good. Cucumber, eggs, milk, peppers -- CAT! ugh, so close. Clearly the sorting algorithm broke down somewhere. I am pretty sure that cat was supposed to be in a different closure.

Journeyman Geek

chiller?

If the cucumber was one level down, it would repel the cat

this is planned. PLANNED I TELL YOU

Magisch

t'was all a ruse

ruse to further the feline agenda

Travis J

clearly that cat is in the guild bank.

rene

8:24 AM

> I'm sorry, but you are using an additional account to evade a question ban.

that was short lived

Travis J

Was it on MSE? I went there, but... and I never really thought I would say this... there are too many hamburgers. There. I said it. Navigating is like trying to negotiate with this guy: