@Tinkeringbell funny fact: my kids brought my attention to that game, had no idea it exists. And they often ask to disable internet so they can play it... ;)
@JourneymanGeek oh.. "Let off steam" then. Yeah, we all need it, and those working directly with other people and confronting others as part of their job need it much more.
I could probably code up a mod that added shog as a NPC in Minecraft. A villager that's as likely to teleport you 100 meters straight up (even into solid rock) as he is to offer a stack of diamonds for an apple.
It would actually be kinda fun to make a SE mod for Minecraft. Tavern villagers just follow you around and occasionally write "that looks suboptimal" in chat when you're looking at anything resembling redstone.
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PHP villagers appear whenever you open anything and close it immediately before punching you
Insensitive behavior is not entirely the dominion of men. I think this question would be improved by removing the assumption that denigrating terminology that indicates the male gender is not offensive. It is offensive, as it discriminates against men. — Aaron Hall4 mins ago
[cont'd] A word like the N-word is clearly racist, and calling someone "retarded" is highly offensive but even more so when the person being bullied has impaired intelligence development. But "manspreading" I believed was lighthearted, it doesn't insult all men, it doesn't insult someone's mental capacities, or their culture or the colour of their skin. I realize now, it is very insulting to rude and selfish men, and some men object to the term.
@AaronHall She's not... I think what she's trying to convey is that she always had the impression that this was light natured. The fact that they're asking for an alternative already shows they're taking this seriously...
I don't see anything in that question saying that manspreading should be okay to use, except that in the past the asker thought it was okay to use.
We'd probably endorse it, just be careful using any official logos (any representation of them in a 16 color game is going to probably be okay anyway). We've run unofficial SE servers attached to the minecraft talk room on gaming for years without a problem, so if you come up with anything, ping me :)
This too, shall pass :) Please don't feel as if you did anything wrong. I think we're going to need to feel uncomfortable about these discussions for a while longer, but that serves the purpose of eventually feeling comfortable about them.
@TimPost I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there, Tim. Gendered epithets are wrong, and you shouldn't tell users they can do it and they didn't do anything wrong.
@AaronHall I see absolutely nothing but benign intent there, tbh. The whole thing I was reacting to was about a conversation about avoiding them. I wasn't reacting to the original use of it, I was reacting to everything that ensued after that.
[cont'd] A word like the N-word is clearly racist, and calling someone "retarded" is highly offensive but even more so when the person being bullied has impaired intelligence development. But "manspreading" I believed was lighthearted, it doesn't insult all men, it doesn't insult someone's mental capacities, or their culture or the colour of their skin. I realize now, it is very insulting to rude and selfish men, and some men object to the term.
That read as someone reacting a whole lot of bees coming out looking rather angry and grappling for some words after finding that quite surprising.
Of course I'm in no position to tell anyone how they should read that, interpretation is an individual thing, but I do have the experience of suddenly finding myself on the wrong side of a large group (it's the nature of my job), so I can recognize that pretty quickly where others might not.
> I realize now, it is very insulting to rude and selfish men, and some men object to the term.
calling your critics "rude" and "selfish" doesn't indicate one is coming around.
As a male who rides the subway in NYC every day and who makes every effort not to invade the space of others or take up more space than necessary, and who finds his space invaded by insensitive people of both genders, I found this personally insulting and offensive.
I would have noted that previously, but somehow, I didn't read or parse it properly while going through the transcripts.
I'm just gonna blame my semi-shiny new glasses for that one, not sure how that eluded me as I was going back through the transcript. Though, "back-chatting" is difficult even for those that have 20/20.
It's weird, my monitor goes from rectangle to trapezoid if I'm looking at the center of it while shaking my head .. this prescription is going to take some getting used to.
@canon Is that like a bowflex only cheaper if you buy it during a late night informercial and believe them when they say YOU ONLY GET THIS DISCOUNT IF YOU CALL RIGHT NOW?
@TimPost No, it's a comical gesture in which one performs a ridiculous raised double bicep flex, in the style of Mr. Universe... or, you know... Geston... to convey one's undoubted manliness.
So you see this puddle of clear liquid on the countertop and put your hand in it, not really thinking much, just .. you know .. it's a puddle of water on the counter. Then you look at the table and see a 4-year-old with an empty bottle of super glue.
Anyone that says working at home is boring and uneventful does not have young children.
I'm a fan of glitter everywhere because the 6 year old got crafty, but spilled it when they opened it on the other end of the house for some reason and ran back to the kitchen.
Yes it is. I haven't completely eliminated it from the house...I have a sister in law that slips it into gifts...but she's got a 1 year old, so revenge will come soon.
The resume was for engineering, so David Fullerton opened it, and glitter just poured out all over his keyboard.
We didn't hire the person, but the glitter had nothing to do with the decision.
I have to admit, when David told that story I was secretly envious of the person that thought of it, but equally glad to observe someone else fail before I did :)
As someone that didn't get glitter all over my keyboard, that's hilarious. From David's point of view though, it was probably better to just burn down the office and start over. That glitter would be everywhere forever.
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@TimPost What do you think about my Developer Survey question suggestion? Apparently it's extremely controversial. Are downvoted suggestions also considered?
@gparyani, I hadn't, but reviewing that does not change my interpretation of the chat. Which includes, of course, absence of any response on the order of "OMG, I didn't think you were suggesting something like that." — John BollingerJul 9 at 21:03
Lest "I was told to post here by Tim Post" be misinterpreted, Tim's recommendation appears to have been a response to "I have a suggestion for the upcoming Developer Survey [period]." No endorsement, nor indeed review of any kind, of the actual suggestion should be inferred on Tim's part. — John BollingerJul 9 at 20:56
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Yes. We listen to users in a lot of places, meta is one of them. But meta represents around .. 2500 active users at any given time, they just happen to usually be our most engaged and frequent users and folks that give us a lot of their time. So while we take any feedback from meta weighted heavily (in proportion, there are millions of users on our sites), we also conduct research by actively looking for people who would rather talk to us privately, because meta seems intimidating
I honestly don't think it's a bad idea to occasionally ask "What are we doing here, what's our purpose [in 2018]?" We solved the hyphen-site problem, we solved the forums-stink-at-knowledge-sharing problem, what's our new thing, or do we agree that we're in maintenance mode?
This logic may work fine internally, but the rules are that you can't do something with a second account that you can't do with one, and if we have reason to believe you are, you'll face consequences.
@Andy nope. Even valid bug reports are downvoted when folk think the bug is too minor. Discussion is downvoted when someone disagree with some idea behind it. That's how it is, but many find it indeed intimidating as @TimPost says.
@Andy Ideally it would be resolved by having a separate set of "agreement/disagreement" votes that wouldn't affect viewing in any way, while relegating the current voting to just quality, as it is on main Q&A sites. This is especially helpful on MSE, on which one can lose rep just for disagreeing with the community, even if it's in a well-written post.
@ShadowWizard It's highly doubtful that the same set of circumstances would happen 17 times in a row. "Tim Post lost his keys" is only useful in explaining the odd drive-by downvote, not an overall pattern of downvotes.
It might be better to make the answer free-form (thankfully we have data scientists now that help us parse that stuff) but I don't think it's an inappropriate or wasteful question.
@AaronHall who mentioned second account? The question is about different people who happen to be family and live together, sharing the same computer and IP. But actually different people.
@AaronHall Well, yeah, that's clearly abuse. I'm answering in the context of the question, which is "do I need to recuse myself" essentially (which would be way overthinking it).
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I don't think they're mutually exclusive. Where we are and where someone would like to see us arrive can and probably would be two different things in many cases.
Anyway, it's not an uninteresting question, I think you found the root of something we should be asking annually, it's just the wording and the format that might need some thinking. Survey questions are hard.
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I will on Monday when I have time to put some thought into it, because you did touch on the root of something we should probably be including, so I need to talk to the survey folks prior to writing something up and putting a status tag on it.
I've left the tab open with an annotation to answer it
@Fabby you can but it's not elegant. You can copy the message permalink, paste, leave only the ID and add ":" before of the ID. e.g. :7133872 this is a reply.
@TimPost I like the work being done by DAG as far as what's next. I don't think that improving the ask question feature is "maintenance" so there is certainly forward moving progress going on. I think that one area which has classically been neglected on the exchange is the tag "info" section. That section could probably benefit from more exposure, and perhaps even a small inclusion of features from the documentation project with regards to examples.
Wait, wait, hear me out.
I was looking at subprocess earlier today. Its tag wiki reads, in its entirety:
The subprocess module includes replacements for functions such as os.popen*, os.spawn*, os.system, popen2.*, and commands.*.
This raises more questions than it answers, so I took a cra...
StackExchange Data Explorer allows login with about a dozen open IDs, but, unlike every other Stack Exchange site (in my understanding), Facebook isn't offered as one of the options.
Is there a reason for this?
I'm holding back on any changes in that area as the removal of OpenId does have impact on SEDE and I saw Nick mention he wanted to bring SEDE under universal login as well.
Tag wikis are important
Tag wikis are awesome, and I like their format. However, I think it can be counter-intuitive for users to get there.
Often there is a vast amount of useful information in the tag wikis when they cover large topics. Looking at the tags sorted by popularity and clicking th...
@ShadowWizard Hm, I thought it had been more. Maybe it is just because it bothers me how hidden the info is all the time I thought I had written more on it.
@ShadowWizard Perhaps. I get the feeling like tag wikis aren't exactly a priority at the moment though, and from previous interactions (in chat? somewhere) it seemed there wasn't much intention to change them. I know I talked about it during documentation, but perhaps not in a question format.
I am excited about the ask a question stuff, so for now just kinda waiting to see how that plays out.