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@M.A.R. You should see their other two posts :/

user202362

1:28 AM

a huntsman hatched a bunch of babies in my bedroom :'(

user202362

but I read on the internet that huntsman babies are harmless so I relocated them to a cockroach infested area

@Shog9 Why did the Community user add in the text "<waffles waffles ...waffles >" in this revision? As far as I know, it was initially added by a then-SO mod (remember, SOFU mods had moderator powers on then-MSO), then rolled back 41 seconds later. Why did the 2014 edit to replace MSO links with MSE links add it back?

I suspect the fixup script wasn't taught to look at rollbacks

alternately, waffles

@Shog9 Were rollbacks treated specially at the time? Are they still treated specially? Shouldn't they act just like normal edits, if they aren't now?

they aren't and weren't

they're special

1:40 AM

I remember from my time that rollbacks would show as "Rollback to Revision [x]" in the post history, but as "rolled back to a previous revision" in the user edit history. Is this still the case, @Shog9?

you might think you could get the latest revision of a post with something along the lines of,

    select top 1 Text
from PostHistory
where PostHistoryTypeId in (2,5)
and PostId=[target]
order by PostHistoryId desc

If so, shouldn't it also say "Rollback to Revision [x]" in the user edit history, so it matches the post history?

but... that would ignore the latest revision if it was a rollback

@Shog9 In that case, it wasn't the latest revision. There was another one after that, a tag edit.

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog that would be PostHistoryTypeId=6

which, if you were looking for the last revision to the post body, you would rightly ignore

1:43 AM

@Shog9 Shouldn't a rollback that affects the body be treated just the same as any other body edit?

Rollback body is PostHistoryTypeId=8

So in the hypothetical query above, you'd add that to the list containing 2 and 5

if you forgot to do that...

waffles

@Shog9 Why does that exist? Shouldn't it just act like any other type of edit? Is there a reason why it has its own type?

Also, can you answer my questions about edit summaries mismatching?

The reason it has its own type is that someone - let's pretend it's Jarrod - created a post history type for rollbacks in 2008

@Shog9 Why has it existed for over nine years, instead of being changed?

This can occasionally be useful though. Let's say you're looking to raise a flag on a rollback war: you can query for battling rollbacks without bothering to look at the actual text changed.

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog there are bigger fish to fry

Carp

Catfish

Sheephead

1:46 AM

@Shog9 How about if someone edits a post, but chooses to edit from an older version?

Sheepshead?

Or, manually rolls back the edit by typing or pasting in the source of an older version?

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog that is still a rollback

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog that's just an edit

@Shog9 Won't that allow someone to bypass the autoflag, then?

user202362

1:47 AM

there is another autoflag for edit wars

but rollbacks have the unique characteristic that you can trivially create a new revision without the effort and restrictions normally imposed on edits

@Shog9 So if rollbacks were treated just like any other edit, and a war started, won't it trigger the edit war warning?

so they are a bit more susceptible to battling

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog maybe. Eventually.

@Shog9 Also, no grace period.

7 mins ago, by Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

I remember from my time that rollbacks would show as "Rollback to Revision [x]" in the post history, but as "rolled back to a previous revision" in the user edit history. Is this still the case, @Shog9?

I have no idea; you can trivially test this yourself

7 mins ago, by Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

If so, shouldn't it also say "Rollback to Revision [x]" in the user edit history, so it matches the post history?

1:49 AM

I will note that the [x] has no meaning outside of the revision history page; it doesn't correspond to anything internally, and is calculated and displayed purely to make reading the revision history page a bit easier.

@Shog9 So it's rendered on-the-fly, and not just static text like most edit summaries?

Similarly, when you link to a specific revision (as you did above) the URL that contains the number is translated to something else to enable retrieving the text

@Shog9 So that's why there was an old bug where it would show as a GUID instead of a revision number?

correct

that guid represents an edit (potentially involving multiple history entries) internally

1 min ago, by Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Shog9 So it's rendered on-the-fly, and not just static text like most edit summaries?

1:52 AM

For the revision you linked at the start of this conversation, the actual revision comment reads Rollback to [9976db4a-58dd-4963-86a0-22a1e7719edd]

But of course, that is not what is displayed

Okay, so would it be feasible to implement this in user histories, to make the post history's version match the user history version?

it would be feasible, and also pointless

the number has no meaning in a user history

one might assume that "rollback to Revision 3" and "Rollback to Revision 19" are different actions, but they are not

it would increase the cost of rendering user history and the potential confusion of reading user history

2:13 AM

@Shog9 In the user history of the mobile site, I can see the GUIs. Is this intended?

The post history in the mobile site just redirects to the full site's version

@Shog9 Also, it can be used to tell whether they actually clicked on the rollback link, or pasted in an old source and typed in "Rollback to Revision 3" as the edit summary, without turning to SEDE.

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog *GUIDs

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog doubtful

@Shog9 Should I file a bug?

If you want

user202362

this is what happens when you are doing excessive mocking ...

user202362

2:21 AM

user202362

and this is the possible reaction ...

user202362

(farm animal) stockoverflow

Q: Hash key in the mobile web for rollback revision

@Shog9 Already reported:

4

User revision history contains a hash key in the mobile web: Full web says "a previous revision":

Mario Kart for iOS???

2:40 AM

@Catija Shouldn't the prefilled prefix for off-topic closures by mods show as "I'm closing this question as off-topic" instead of "I'm voting to close this question as off-topic"?

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I'm pretty sure there's no way to actually make the default text recognize who's closing the question.

It used to say "This question appears to be off-topic because it is about"; when was it changed?

@Catija Also I instantly RC flagged the question just before you closed it, so I could score a helpful flag

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog The current text is what I've always know it to be.

We want to say why it's not on topic, not what it is about.

They must have changed it before you gained 3k+ rep on any site

Not if I got sufficient rep on a beta site.

2:45 AM

@Catija The corresponding level on a beta site. I forgot to say that.

@Shog9 Why is it that on beta sites, you need more rep to edit than to VTC, while on graduated sites you need more rep to VTC than to edit?

Only 500... and I think I had 500 before M&TV left beta... and I know I had 500 before ELL left beta.

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Sounds like a question you could ask on MSE and help all of us learn...

3:14 AM

My guess: on beta, the focus is more on deciding the site scope, thus VTC/VTR

@SensibleAlexander Also I noticed that at 1000 rep, you only barely earn the right to edit by solely suggesting edits.

And if any of the posts you edited gets deleted, you lose the right.

Q: Change the default generic closing as off-topic text for moderators

3:31 AM

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When voting to close a question as off-topic and choosing the "other" option, you're given a text field in which to write your reason(s). In the Web interface that field includes the helpful default text I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because and one can simply complete the...

feature-request close-dialog custom-close-reasons

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog probably in 2015

to be exact, this meta post on MSO described the change

user202362

4:10 AM

user202362

eagle> freaking get out of my territory, you fat f**k

user202362

person on glider> you are in (the pot) for dinner tonight, chicken

user202362

goat paint on glider> omg I am cursed, me, the all mighty goat became a paint on a wall!!!

5:26 AM

Do we have examples of cases where people post crap, then use VPNs once they're blocked to successfully bypass the block?

I think in most cases people care more about the crap than the people

@Catija The question I was talking about has been edited...does it fit within the guidelines now? interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/10049/…

6:14 AM

→ 4 messages moved to Chimney

@JourneymanGeek I thought we didn't move to Chimney until there are too many of them

shrug There were a few, I was free, I moved em.

Q: Should the post ban message be reworded?

1

We get tons of posts from users asking about bans, perhaps assuming that their case is somehow different from the others, or that the ban was incorrect, or that they need to ask a question now, etc. Of course, the only way out of a ban is to improve your existing posts and have them upvoted, and ...

discussion post-ban messages

@SensibleAlexander What do you think?

(since you chime in on these types of discussions)

6:33 AM

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/306572/bug-in-mobile-view

6:46 AM

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog The proposed message looks good. You might also be interested in this meta post on MSO regarding creating account to evade ban

like, probably proposing the help center for "post ban" to include this portion

@SensibleAlexander Which one?

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I prefer the longer one, because experience shows that users were lazy to open, read, and understood the help center...

instead, they went to meta, "rant", then got closed as a dupe to the ultimate "What can I do when getting “We are no longer accepting questions/answers from this account”?"

7:14 AM

@SensibleAlexander You should probably post that as a comment on the question.

8:04 AM

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user202362

relocated more than 10 baby huntsman spiders to the outside or cockroach infested area

user202362

close to 20 ...

@rene What do you think about the current ban message? Should it be modified?

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I dunno but I support your suggestion for the improved wording

@TelautonomousKitty 0_0

the latter. Two problems sorting each other out?

M.A.R.

8:12 AM

@TelautonomousKitty I keep getting the impression you live in a jungle

user202362

@JourneymanGeek I am ok with huntsman spiders, adult ones are large but generally harmless ...

user202362

@M.A.R. I live in suburban area

M.A.R.

That has beaches, gigantic spiders and ducks?

user202362

walking distance to large shopping center, hospital and schools but also close to national parks

user202362

I am not close to the beach, 10km or so ...

user202362

8:17 AM

but I like to visit ocean rock pools in summer

@rene Which improved wording?

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog all of them, I mean I can live with any of the suggested improvements. In other words, better wording is welcome.

user310756

@TelautonomousKitty omg it's almost over!!!

user310756

Jen (from the horses) said she thinks Chicken is going to need therapy when we leave

user310756

8:27 AM

user310756

ODE TO CHICKEN
We love you chicken,
We will miss you chicken

we will think of you
Every time we see a bird fly

It's so hard to say good bye

You are our friend
Our little pet
following me around
I'll miss my little feathered shadow

Please stay away from foxes
and just wait precious one

for more horses will be coming
and you won't be alone for long
xoxoxo

user310756

@TelautonomousKitty ^^ this is from both of us

Reminds me of a certain Chicken

Remember that one?

user310756

hmm no - I need a hint

Q: What is.... the Chicken? 🐔

59

Update: Continue to 🐔 The Quest for the Winter Chicken of the Bash, Part 2 Clues will be updated here too So, we just noticed a new, fowl user on the tavern I think he called us chicken. Or called itself a chicken. Or something poultry like that. And interestingly it's a system...

support chat fun winter-bash-2017

You got the hint?

user310756

8:43 AM

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog LOL

user202362

9:07 AM

@YvetteColomb you know you can start a tiny chicken farm & I can help out :p

user202362

it's sort of broken already :'( but still flies

user202362

9:40 AM

user310756

@TelautonomousKitty I plan to! You'll have to come and visit though P>P

user310756

@TelautonomousKitty lolol

user202362

@YvetteColomb I sure will!

user310756

we'll have to catch up next week before we leave

user310756

I'll stick with what are they called

user310756

9:45 AM

the hybrid chickens

user202362

yeah, planned to :) but after your study for the term has finished

user202362

^ chicken therapy :p

user310756

LOL

user310756

@TelautonomousKitty Wed or Thurs - I'll prob be exhausted Tues

user202362

9:47 AM

ok

user310756

the boys are feeding the horses for me today, tomorrow and monday night to help me out

user310756

so excited abuot moving, it's going to be fantastic

user310756

I have her feed worked out and the farrier and vet will see her soon after we arrive, it's all systems go

user310756

need to buy a foal halter, just worried I will jinx us, she has a long trip up in the heat on Thurs

user310756

@TelautonomousKitty ^^

user202362

9:56 AM

mean while, I have taken at least 30+ baby huntsman spiders hatchlings to the outside

speaking of chickens...

finally managed to take a picture of our local rooster.

user202362

this is the 2nd time a huntsman hatched a bunch of babies in my bedroom in this suburb

*huntswoman

user202362

true

user202362

I hope I am not emitting some hormone/pheromone that attracts pregnant female spiders to give birth in my vicinity

10:04 AM

eh, could be your super power

"THE AMAZING SPIDER BAIT!"

12:08 PM

ramen teletubby

2:28 PM

cv-plz meta.stackexchange.com/q/306578/135565

@SmokeDetector for unknown reasons, I can't open this with current Chrome. After I open, it automatically closes. Incognito doesn't have the problem though...

0_0

I can open with full link though :/ webmasters.stackexchange.com/questions/30524/…

that means.... something something userscript something something...

also, doesn't close if input the URL manually.... weeeeeird.....

2:50 PM

Wooo! Delete vote cast!

That was a strange one

3:05 PM

cv-pls math meta.stackexchange.com/questions/306579/…

@rene while stalking staffers is tempting, considering I've adviced folks not to do it, and this isn't isn't critical (and I've sneakily brought it up where TPTB might actually see it).... I think I'll pass on mugging a CM in passing ;p

sure

user315433

4:58 PM

I'm not on any of those pages. If anyone asks, I'm telling them I'm the sklivvz on page #2 — Shog9 ♦ 15 hours ago

user315433

I guess that would be one of the more interesting DS pages, based on sporadic chat comments.

user315433

A bunch of those are about employees who since left, and some look kind of spammy... Fullstack Dev?

user315433

6:26 PM

NEO Blockchain still has exactly 1 meta question (and a pointless one at that) versus 46 on main.

user315433

In general, a so-so start for a supposedly hot thing (perhaps not so hot anymore).

user315433

How come there is no ripple.se yet.

user315433

Next to launch, Constructed languages which is sure to enjoy the level of success that Language Learning has achieved.

user315433

8:59 PM

user315433

December 2017: the steepest traffic drop (as measured by views) in Stack Overflow history.

Rouge the Bat

everyone was busy not working? shrugs

10:23 PM

Is there anything to catch this type of abuse: create a new account on one site, earn the association bonus, put up and award a bounty(ies), immediately delete the account after awarding, then loop over and do this again?

gnat

@if.... looks like Winterbash 2017 failed to tame usual end year drop

Why would anyone want to downvote this? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/305875/…

user315433

10:56 PM

The vast majority of views are anonymous visits from people looking to solve their programming pr0blem, Winterbash effect shouldn't be visible on this scale.

user315433

Also, January is included in the graph, with almost no recovery from the dropoff.

user315433

tl;dr DOOM