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1:34 AM
@drachenstern What features?
 
2:11 AM
@Moshe hellifIknow
 
@Moshe Drag and drop I believe
 
lol
 
3:13 AM
how do you pronounce "API"? api or ei-pi-ai?
 
the second one
I don't pronounce it as ah-pee
 
@drachenstern thanks!! good to know
 
3:30 AM
@drachenstern you are a redditor right?
 
I am, at times
 
hmm, nice, just "figured it out" a month ago or so, and is killling all my productivity
hehe
 
what's that? reddit? yes, it's bad
know what helps?
edit your hosts file ;)
 
@drachenstern nope, I usually don't lurk gaming (not a gamer at all)
@drachenstern ohh it was a starcraft moderator?
 
I linked you to a page full of people eating popcorn
do you have the userscripts installed for reddit?
 
3:37 AM
@drachenstern no?
just the one I see up-vtes downvotes
 
go install this NAO :p Reddit Enhancement Suite
it lets you expand pictures inline, for example
 
@drachenstern holy potatoes,
I was missing out
 
@Trufa indeed
Waste time away!
 
@drachenstern damn you
 
I try
blame my friend kemp
he got me on reddit as it were
then he showed me RES
 
3:46 AM
thank/kill kemp for me
 
@drachenstern ohhhhh no!! infinite scrolling
 
sadly, yes
 
 
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4:49 AM
resists the temptation
 
good luck with that
 
5:13 AM
Nata just told me dogs average about 9 years of life
WTF!?!!?
My dog is SEVEN!
is she gonna die in the next couple of years?
 
jepp she will, dogs run away when they are about to die
 
Average life expectancy is about 13 years, I thought.
Though I think that's for smaller dogs. Larger breeds are around the 8-9 range.
 
hello all
 
@JohnP Hi.
 
@mootinator that's what I thought
she's 50 lbs ish
@Reno I live in an apartment, she can't run too far
 
5:24 AM
the rule of thumb is 7 human years equals 1 dog year.
 
Most of my dogs have lived for 9-10 years. The longest recorded dog expectancy is 24.
 
@JohnP yeah, that's a dumb rule btw :p
@Reno yeah, that's the problem. If she's gonna die at 9-10, that's in 2-3 years
and I'm gonna have to be the one to man up and take her to the vet
 
lol, might be. but statistics is statistics
 
Don't think about it now :)
 
5:26 AM
yeah, I'm a total loser who loves my dog :p
 
I'm a dog person too
but the only time I actually cried was when my cat died
 
Ever want to tell a client. "Fix the stupid cosmetic problem with your report yourself, figure out how to commit it to SVN, and stop bothering me with these things already."
 
This is my pup :)
 
cute!
@mootinator all the time. but then you gotta pay the bills :(
 
chou chou
@JohnP Yes, but then the following e-mail asks why you're so far behind on everything else.
O_o.
See previous 15 messages for your answer, kthx bai.
 
5:30 AM
post them here :D : clientsfromhell.net
 
^_^
 
@drachenstern Man, that's nothing. I put my own dog down when I was a teen. Now that's "maning up." ;)
 
hi any moderator here
 
@GeorgeMarian yeah, I don't wanna tho :p
@Damodar try this instead: say what you need help with
 
@drachenstern I didn't either, but had no choice.
 
5:33 AM
iam reviewing
 
le wild diamond appears
 
flags
 
but iam in confusion how to justify it
Standard way would be use of SimpleDateFormat

You can also accomplish it using String operation as follows

String result = str.substring(0,str.indexOf(" "));
this was answered by one guy
 
I think we're missing some context here...
And I'm starting to think that this isn't the type of thing to bother a moderator about.
 
5:35 AM
ok let me clearly explain
Jigar Joshi this guy posted answer
below to this there are two more answers
Peter Lawrey
Fender
Fender mixed the above two guys anser and he posted i feel
Fender answer was flaged , iam reviewing it
 
What did the flag state?
 
if anyone justify i can flag accordingly
i dnt have that information @George
 
@Damodar I'm curious as to how you're seeing these flags. I thought flags only showed up for 10k users
 
How do you know that it was flaged, then? :)
 
sorry for miss leading u guys, in review tab, iam getting this answer as to be reviewed
 
5:41 AM
You mean someone edited the answer and the edit is up for review?
 
No he does not have that much of rep
to review edits
 
i have alink review on header
 
@Reno Heh. Money's been in beta for too long. I have no idea what the real rep requirements are for anything anymore. :)
 
@Damodar Fender's answers doesn't seem to be a duplicate of anything. It's a simple question with a simple answer. If anything shows up on the review tab it doesn't mean it's been flagged
Unless it's a low quality post
 
Well damodar that review tab is for supposedly low quality posts. If you find something bad like spam flag it. Or else let it go
 
5:44 AM
morning
 
Does anyone know when I click on invalid/valid for chat flags. Does it mean I'm marking the flag as valid or marking the message as valid?
@OctavianDamiean good morning
 
heya
 
I've been acting on the basis that Valid/Invalid actually indicate whether the flag is Valid/Invalid
 
@JohnP I'd assume that refers to the flag. Like it does for flags on a post.
 
1 month of peace on chat :) not bad at all
 
5:45 AM
ok John and Reno
 
@Reno yea kinda. They of course have double accounts now ;)
 
@GeorgeMarian phew! ok then. Good to know I haven't been doing the exact opposite of what I thought I was doing
 
and pushing their rep.
 
I didn't even know about the chat flags until the Android room brouhaha :)
 
5:46 AM
sadly
 
@JohnP Oh? I'm not sure if I've heard of this. There was a rumble in the Android room?
 
I did report that they had a voting ring thing going on. But all of the chat was in hindi so the mods did not take action.
 
well balpha did :)
 
@GeorgeMarian yup. @OctavianDamiean and @Reno were in the thick of it
a few unruly users who were quite mulish in their outlook
 
Ah, ok. I don't know the details, but I have heard of it.
 
5:49 AM
@GeorgeMarian which android room?
@OctavianDamiean then report those, please.
 
@drachenstern It got cleaned up yesterday
1 month suspension for the users in question
 
@drachenstern shrug I just remember Reno talking to balpha about it.
 
@JohnP no, there's a difference between "doing the right thing after getting busted" and "creating a second account to flaunt the mods"
 
And, of course, seeing some of the pics. heh
 
@drachenstern ah you mean about the duplicate accounts? Don't know about that, I haven't seen them yet. I just saw all the ruckus yesterday. Lots of flags showing up in the queue
 
5:51 AM
@JohnP yeah, that's what I meant
 
@drachenstern well the thing is I have no real evidence other than that the gravatar of Wanted was Cpt. Jack Sparrow and that the new username (registred today) is jSparrow
 
Hi guys
 
@Damodar hello
 
@OctavianDamiean interesting. I'll pass that along.
@OctavianDamiean can you link me the user account for "wanted"?
 
i see many of the questions in Meta SO is in closed status
 
5:52 AM
and the upvotes are on android tags
 
can those question able to delete
 
so that proves it
 
are it should be like that only
 
5:53 AM
@Damodar they stay like that so that people can see that those questions were asked before
@Reno that doesn't proves it. But it does give me room to take it to the mods and ask them to review for suspicious behavior
 
ok
 
but there tag status can be change rite?
 
oh boy, now I'm quite sure it is a second account
 
can you give a good reason why?
 
5:55 AM
@Damodar you don't need to change the tags unless the content has changed. Questions are deleted only if they are spam or have no value
@drachenstern mods would be able to find out quick enough in any case, since the IPs are logged. But even then, having a second account in itself is not breaking the rules. So I don't know how the suspension applies in that context
 
as they are closed and no were related to bugs , that questions can be tagged to different tags rite
 
@JohnP well it applies to the chat
they are banned there for 30 days for a reason
 
@JohnP yes, I know, I'm a mod on another site.
I also have direct access to the SO mods
so I've passed along all the information, they'll review it soon enough
@JohnP creating a second account to circumvent a suspension/ban is not permitted
 
@OctavianDamiean @drachenstern ah yes, good point. It's allowed only if you don't use it for nefarious purposes. Doubt these guys will make much noise anyway.
 
I'm pretty sure too :) Just a strong hunch based on a pattern of damning circumstances
 
5:59 AM
@Damodar can you give an example?
 
@JohnP I disagree.
@Damodar let me be clear
you are talking about retagging things on meta.stackoverflow.com yes?
don't do that
 
for example , iam posted a question
but moderstors feels that is not worth of raising it to bug
and they close that issue
 
@drachenstern that user is most likely a second account but I don't know for whom
 
@drachenstern @OctavianDamiean yeah looks like dupes. All of them are in the Android room
 
@Damodar then you should abide by that decision
 
6:01 AM
Do mods know about IP addresses of accounts? That should settle it.
 
@Reno yes
 
now that question is no were related bug , it can be moved to some other tag?
 
trust me, the mod tools for checking a user out are very good
they are very thorough
@Damodar I'm not 100% sure what you are trying to do. I doubt it is necessary.
 
superb :)
 
@damodar do you know what it means to be a janitor?
to sweep the floors and vacuum the rugs?
 
6:03 AM
@Damodar you don't need to retag it. Why do you want to retag it anyway? Do you have an example? of the question and the tags you want to apply
 
@Damodar rather than you being a janitor, why don't you find more useful tasks? those "janitor" tasks are why we have mods. Let them retag the question.
 
@JohnP : iam asking it as can it be retagged?
 
you should go and look for questions that need answers
 
ok
 
@Damodar a) can you retag it yourself? if not, see b ~ b) flag it for a mod and ask them to retag it
 
6:06 AM
@Jo
@John "i dnt know i was banned to post question in MetaSO"
Sorry, we are no longer accepting questions from this account. See goo.gl/C1Kwu to learn more.
i was outof suspension on may 13th
after that i posted valuable post only
if needed please check my profile also
many were upvoted too
but yesterday i was supprised to see that message stopping me to post messages
 
@Damodar These are automatic filters that kick in. The best thing that you can do is wait awhile till the suspension goes away. Why not go answer some questions?
 
/discussion
 
@Damodar you may see your questions as being highly useful, but they aren't.
 
when i will be out of suspension
 
I'm sorry that you don't agree
this is not really up for question.
 
6:10 AM
@Damodar the mods cannot review each and every instance where a user has gotten suspended from asking a question. The system will automatically lift the ban when you meet the criteria. Best thing to do is go be productive on the site by answering questions. Learn by answering questions
 
@Damodar not soon enough for your liking. Probably a week. Maybe a month. This is monitored by the system. What precisely (and with as few posts as necessary, using complete sentences) do you want to know?
 
Ok, will start answering the question with very quality manner
 
@Damodar remember, use paragraphs of whole sentences. Not just three and four word fragments.
 
... and the duplicate account is nuked :)
 
6:16 AM
ok @drachenstern
 
@Reno that was a while ago :p ~ like 17 minutes ago
 
man they must be so pissed right now :D
 
@JohnP probably
 
well apparently they are all real life friends
 
I'm sure.
 
6:18 AM
Yes, but their behavior was inexcusable
 
I don't know who's arguing you on that
you sound paranoid
 
that other suspicious account Jack is pretty much confirming it ;)
 
and I gave that to the mods
let them sort it out
if you see a post that needs to be considered flag it
 
6:31 AM
@OctavianDamiean Jack is in that chat room, that confirms that it is a dupe account
 
@Reno that does not confirm anything
two users, from the same country, with a strong correlating factor, only imply a similar culture.
having the same/similar email addresses, using the same IPs, using the same/similar openIDs, is more of a proof that it's a dupe account
 
Well I read the chat transcript and they are talking about the ban so ... :P
 
once again, asking the mods (as I did) to review the accounts is all you can do
you cannot say "they must be the same since they are in the same room"
@Reno if you are sure that "jack" is the same as "wanted" then flag a message and say so
but remember that story of the boy who cried wolf
 
already did
 
then let it go
you've done your part
 
6:38 AM
yep done :)
 
continuing to worry and stress is not going to benefit you, and is going to frustrate the rest of us
ok, I really need to goto bed
 
Oh I'm not bothered about it at all :) good night
 
 
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8:03 AM
hi anybody here
 
nope :P
we're all hiding
 
can i know , with which technology the UI part was designed in SO
Add a setting to allow you to see all comments, not just the top 5 up vote
9
down vote favorite Currently when a SO post has more than some 5 or 6 comments the rest of them are hidden and you have to click a link to show them all. It would be nice if there was an option that all the comments are shown all the time. (Or even better - that you could specify the hiding threshold).
 
playing possum
 
Add a setting to allow you to see all comments, not just the top 5
 
@Reno not surpised, death threats and all...
 
8:06 AM
iam about to answer this question
why we are hiding comments
 
yeah lol
 
if the UI was coded by using jsp
there is a limit of "jspService(javax.servlet.http.HttpServletRequest,
javax.servlet.http.HttpServletResponse) is exceeding the 65535 bytes"
 
@Damodar not sure, but this SE blog post might help.
Posted by Jeff Atwood on September 21st, 2008

This question keeps coming up a lot on Stack Overflow for some reason:

What was Stack Overflow built with?

Some even wondered if Stack Overflow was built in Ruby on Rails. I consider that a compliment!

This question has been covered in some detail in our podcasts, of course, but I know not everyone has time to listen to a bunch of audio footage to find the answer to their question. So, in that spirit, here’s the technology “stack” of Stack Overflow, the stuff Jarrod, Geoff, and I used to build it: …

 
if it exceedsd the limit , there will not be rendering of jsp will happen
and UI will looks odd
ok
@Reno you were also not aware of that?
 
that's got to be the first death threat on SE.chat.
 
8:19 AM
hopefully the last one as well
 
@tombull89 ,:( it means i should not ask such questions?
 
@Damodar we ain't talking about you
 
@Damodar not at all, was something that happened yesterday. Don't worry about it.
 
ooooh , okey
 
8:44 AM
I don't about threats from those wankers.
But whats weird is that they thought I was a girl and just kept bombarding me which "where are you from?" questions.
That was creepy.
 
@Reno how u will suspects its a dupe account or person have multiple accounts
 
I didn't find them Octavian and drachenstern found them. And moderators have tools and unicorns to hunt them. truefax.
 
@Reno yup, especially the unicorn part is true! :D
 
I was driving to work today behind a car that said "Powered by Fairydust" on a bumpersticker.
 
yeah its sad that people don't know what goes under the hood. :D
 
8:52 AM
As long as it's cheaper than the £1.37 I pay for fuel...
 
one way by checking IP Adress rite?
 
@tombull89 in Austria it is already 1.7€ for diesel
 
@Damodar it's "right", not "rite"
 
one , let me explain one
if a user have two accounts, but he will operate one account from home and other account from office. this is also a multi account holder or will deal as seperate account holder
 
Having multiple accounts is not a problem on StackExchange as long as you're not trying to game the system
 
9:00 AM
Or trying to impersonate someone.
 
@Damodar "game the system" = use one to upvote the other
 
in your case, there's no way to know that this person has 2 accounts, except if he systematically upvote the other account
 
@Reno I was going to change my name to Aeff Jatwood for April 1st...decided against it.
 
k
me to as Jon Skeet
 
@tombull89 With a jeff@wood.com email address?
 
9:01 AM
@LoïcWolff haha, I see what you did there.
 
Morning
 
hello o/
 
High 5
 
9:08 AM
@OctavianDamiean o/ \o @ÓlafurWaage
 
Oh. Multiple high 5, I don't have the ASCII skills for that
 
lol <- looks like a guy drowning
 
9:09 AM
@OctavianDamiean o/ \o/ \o @ÓlafurWaage
         @badpssockpuppet
 
oh my b
 
do_ob
 
can here be spammed
?
 
can of spam
 
never mind that, There's been no "Oy" here for a while. That dissapoints me.
 
Oh yea that's a great thread
 
@badpssockpuppet saw that yesterday. Poop, fan, hit.
 
otherwise : did spamming is offtopic here :)
 
Is that the popcorn thing ?
 
@Reno yeah :P
 
9:13 AM
wait I saw it on a blog
just a minute
I came across this
 
9:50 AM
great no one knocked since long time :)
 
10:10 AM
Arf @Damodar
multiple edits... seem to have messed up the question
 
ya you and me edited same question
 
My texts edits as been lost, and your tags edits also I guess
but not suer of it
 
ya you are rite
he raised as feature-request and bug
how a question be both
 
They can't
It's a support question BTW
Don't remember
is support one of the 3 tag required?
 
feature-request means its not atall implemented need to add that functionality
 
10:14 AM
feature-request / bug / support? or is it discussion
 
bug means already its working fine , but now its not working fine
so both cannot be at a time
 
yes indeed
 
i feel it should be tagged to discussion chat
 
yes
 
by the by whats ur name?
 
10:26 AM
You mean IRL?
 
ya
 
Yves
 
where r u from?
what do u do?
 
France. Doing reasearch for my Ph.D studies
 
ooo great
 
10:34 AM
yes, but hard :P
 
Ph.D on which subjects?
 
IT security
I work on watermarking
 
oh networking?
 
and GPS authentication
 
great
 
10:35 AM
No network for the moment. But I know that as well
 
u have great paitents to study Ph.D
i stopped my studies at graduation itself :)
watermarking deals with images rite?
 
yes it does
You have to modify pixels (not quite right, but let's say to be simple) to include information in it
 
any ant geeks here?
 
ant, you mean Apache ant?
 
multi talented guy
 
10:40 AM
ya
 
na na
 
hum... I tried once... but I don't think I can be useful there
 
any information do you want
 
1
Q: How can I in ant wait until a file is usable?

Ólafur WaageI'm trying to fix a build file where a part of it runs a bash script to generate a file. This file generation takes under a second and wasn't a problem until we moved to eclipse. The issue is that if I save any file in eclipse with a change and then run ant to build. I get a "class not found" er...

 
10:44 AM
LOL, BTW I'm also fighting with eclipse to get CDT installed
I checked @Damodar you need at least discussion / bug / feature-request or support in a question on meta
And hop! Two more questions for meta :P
 
11:44 AM
my head...it hurts...".why he suspend me from the stackexchange because i am debating with him....did i disrespect him u can ask him only why did he close the room in stackexchange i can wait for the 30 for stackoverflow"
 
The flags coming up on Stack Overflow chat is getting a little ridiculous
 
@YiJiang can you freeze a room?
 
No, freezing is an automatic process
 
@YiJiang you mean the flagged room topic message?
 
There are flags today ?
 
11:47 AM
@OctavianDamiean Yeah, and the amount of flags is equally annoying
 
Yesterday there was a mess in the android rooms, maybe that's why.
 
@Reno it's rolled over to m.so following the suspension.
 
@tombull89 do you have a link for that?
 
-2
Q: What are the different types of reasons for banning a particular user?

DharmendraI want to know the reasons why I was banned from Stack Overflow. Actually, I was banned from 23/5/2011 without any warning. I do not understand the reasons why I was banned from the Stack Overflow chat rooms. I am not suspended from Stack Overflow. Can anyone explain this to me?

 
I know that they have taken over android stackexchange chat
 
11:49 AM
@Reno I really don't know what you did but it's opened a can of worms.
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Q: How are moderators chosen?

ManjotSinghI want to know how moderator make decision on just flagging. There might be some misunderstanding or moderator may took decision which is not correct. People are getting afraid of room owner that they might kick off them from the room or flag the message to the moderator. How moderator gets ele...

 
ugh :s didn't see that
they are having a laugh about this in the android stackexchange room. :\
 
@Reno which one? there's three currently...
 
@YiJiang haha.
 
11:59 AM
^^
 
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