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user315433
12:19 AM
When people send me an email reply with nothing but "thank you very much for the information", I'm looking for the flag button in Gmail...
 
user315433
BTW "you are welcome" and "you're welcome" are even more disposable than "thank you very much". @Shog9
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
12:41 AM
lol
 
Shog9
Shog9
1:08 AM
Whoever picked "36 hours" can collect their winnings
 
user315433
I noticed yesterday, actually.
 
user315433
Looks like naa, not spam
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
1:24 AM
looks like cray cray
 
user315433
Yes, they should know better than post under featured meta ... Question/Announcement/Lecture, whatever it is.
 
user315433
1:55 AM
> im surprised stackoverflow didn't conclude that 'exiting vim' is the next big upcoming programming paradigm stackoverflow.blog/2017/05/23/… … -- aditya mukherjee ◎ at 6:43 PM - 23 May 2017
 
user315433
Two featured meta posts on SO now: "Tearing Down the Structure of Meta" and "One simple trick to make Documentation effective".
 
Jason C
Jason C
Wait what
Oh
Lol
 
user202362
2:38 AM
I have this suspicion - people stalk me way more than I stalk them, what to do?
 
user202362
not that I care that much ...
 
rene
rene
6:15 AM
smokey morning...
 
user202362
 
user202362
world classic gymnasium
 
Elephant
Elephant
7:59 AM
 
user202362
8:41 AM
do you feel better to be in the top 100% than the bottom 100%?
 
user202362
9:55 AM
 
Derpy
Derpy
.... So, a simple "hello world" SPFX web part with no customization at all .... just created from the yeoman template...
30k files.
do they import ALL the NPM library just to be sure?
 
Jason C
Jason C
10:16 AM
→ 33 messages moved to Chimney
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
@Derpy I suspect Microsoft never remove files, only add. Pretty sure Windows 10 still contain all the core files of the first DOS ever.
@Telkitty yeah, @Oded is in the bottom of the starboard now. Poor soul.
Nice trick, you didn't expose if you starred this as well. ;)
 
Oded
Oded
Star this message if you don't want a chat ban.
6
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
And the first to star gets a cookie?
 
Oded
Oded
I may, or may not be joking.
@ShadowWizard קבל ח״ח
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
@Oded hurry, write a script to ban all chat users except those who starred! :D
@Oded hehe, reminds me of my טירונות :P
 
Oded
Oded
10:26 AM
I am seeing a cruel streak to you, @Sha
@ShadowWizard I have always thought this expression to be one that could only be born in an army.
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
I can be very cruel... evil laugh
 
Oded
Oded
Officers are told to give "positive feedback" to their subordinates - so that's literally what they do. "Have some positive feedback". O_o
Instead of - "Good job on doing/finishing X/Y/Z"
 
Jason C
Jason C
If a question gets migrated to a site that the OP doesn't have an account on, will the OP still get notifications about comment and answer replies to their post?
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
@Oded well, in my army days 99% of the actions were negative, e.g. פול ל-50
 
Oded
Oded
@JasonC They won't. The question would need to be re-associated to their account if they ever do create an account on the target site.
 
Jason C
Jason C
10:30 AM
@Oded flagged for extortion
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
@Oded but they do get notification for the migration itself, right? /cc @Jason
 
Oded
Oded
@ShadowWizard that's just standard for basic training :)
 
Jason C
Jason C
@ShadowWizard Thanks for cc'ing me, I never would've read that otherwise.
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
I know, right? @Jason
:D
 
Oded
Oded
@ShadowWizard er. Not sure about that.
 
Jason C
Jason C
10:33 AM
I wonder if this still works ​​
 
Bart
Bart
I'm starting to wonder if @Oded is no longer the best.
 
Jason C
Jason C
Everything comes to an end.
 
user202362
@Bart because 6 kids? :p
 
Bart
Bart
Haha, that I would consider quite an achievement
 
Oded
Oded
nope nope nope nope - 2 is enough for me.
@Bart I... I... goes and sobs in a corner
 
Jason C
Jason C
10:58 AM
→ 3 messages moved to Chimney
 
Bart
Bart
Not the kittens
 
Jason C
Jason C
4mb of kittens
Back in the hole you go
Actually...
 
user202362
seriously ... it has been a month, I suggest you should see a psychiatrist
 
Jason C
Jason C
Too bad I can't move transcript messages.
 
user202362
losing your beloved pet is one thing, but can't get out of the shadow after a month is another
 
Jason C
Jason C
11:06 AM
Uh
No.
 
user202362
I have seen you making rather wrong decisions & I am not talking about moving gifs because in the grand scale of things, that is irrelevant
 
Jason C
Jason C
Deal with it.
 
user202362
I don't suffer from the consequence of your own wrong decisions
 
user202362
like I said, I am not talking about cat pics
 
user202362
anyways, way past the time I should go for my evening jog
 
Jason C
Jason C
11:12 AM
→ 2 messages moved to Chimney
Oh you can move transcript messages, with some trickery. Neat.
Er, actually, I think I broke the room.
 
user315433
11:37 AM
 
Derpy
Derpy
@Telkitty @JasonC wish I had a diamond right now just to have the authority to say something similar to
> you two should make up now before I come and make you hug and become friend in the name of "ye old' rusty iron mace"
 
user315433
 
Jason C
Jason C
I've never seen garden spam before.
 
user315433
Reported long ago, still needs flags: health.stackexchange.com/a/12400
 
Jason C
Jason C
12:05 PM
@Oded @ShadowWizard According to meta.stackexchange.com/questions/29344/… they do but that's pretty old. Dunno if something changed.
 
Oded
Oded
I doubt we would have changed anything there.
 
Jason C
Jason C
@Oded Are you sure? meta.stackexchange.com/a/96956/230261 seems to contradict that.
 
Oded
Oded
:shrug:
 
Jason C
Jason C
Got a minute for a test? I can make a test post on mse, you can migrate it to a site I don't have an account on and leave a comment, then we can delete it and pretend it never happened.
 
Oded
Oded
From what I can see - if one has an account on the target site, you get notified of the migration. For answers - you always get notified, even if no account on the target site. For questions - you get notified if you don't have an account there, but only once a comment or answer have been posted on it.
I looked at a few recent migrations and what the different OPs got notified and when.
 
Jason C
Jason C
12:14 PM
Oh sweet. Thanks. I just spent the last 20 minutes putting together a case for notifying accountless authors of comments/answers on migrated posts, lol. Closes sede tabs, resume Netflix.
Huh
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
@JasonC pretty sure I got such notification once, will try to dig it up
 
Jason C
Jason C
In almost 30% of migrated posts network-wide, the OP never made an account on the target site. That number's higher than I expected.
 
Jason C
Jason C
12:36 PM
Today in history was boring.
Copernicus died, Thelma & Louise was released. The Brooklyn Bridge opened I guess that's kinda neat.
 
user315433
They don't mention that German Language launched on this day in 2011? Shame.
 
Jason C
Jason C
12:52 PM
Heh
 
Derpy
Derpy
seems today is also Escargot Day
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@JasonC I'd say you need a hobby, but SE-Stats clearly is yours ;p
@Derpy so, its a slow day, ending with sudden slimy death?
 
Jason C
Jason C
Lol, I do like tables.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
lol
or stats in general. I was going to take a look at your big ol list of questions over the weekend
(since I'm basically looking at spreadsheets a good chunk of the day, trying to get an inventory of the office...)
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
@Telkitty umm..... who the heck flagged it??
We have flag troll here? Great.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
1:01 PM
@ShadowWizard I kinda got the sentiment behind the flagging, but didn't feel validating it was right either
 
user202362
@ShadowWizard relax, I said shadow not shadow wizard
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
@JourneymanGeek validating as what? It's not offensive in any way.
 
user202362
it could be shadow pigeon or something
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
oh well.. time to get back to the shadows...
 
Jason C
Jason C
@JourneymanGeek Oh sweet. Actually I'm going to change the list slightly. Working on it after breakfast. There was an unnoticed bias in the samples.
I temporarily deleted that post but it'll be back soon.
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
1:04 PM
lol
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@ShadowWizard it was a little not nice, but not short suspension not nice
@JasonC 10ker and I have an answer there
 
Feeds
Feeds
1:16 PM
A Dive Into Stack Overflow Jobs Search
Alyssa Mazzina on May 24, 2017

About two years ago, a significant event happened at Stack Overflow: a new system, named Providence, was released. Providence would allow us to tell which technologies a visitor is interested in, and measure the “fitness” between a visitor and a job. The release of Providence marked a stepping stone in Stack Overflow’s continuous effort to be “smarter” and invest in data science, and it was only the beginning.

Aurélian Gasser, a developer on the Stack Overflow Jobs team, has detailed the long road towards building the greatest developer job search tool on the internet in his Medium post, A Dive …

 
Jason C
Jason C
@JourneymanGeek There I updated the sample list.
 
user315433
1:36 PM
@Feeds I like this one. Especially the part about gradient descent outperforming a fancy genetic algorithm.
 
user315433
> Writing our own genetic algorithm in C# was a bad idea. It took us weeks to implement, test, and optimize. Not to mention all the time spent waiting for results. There was a better solution available all along (the optim function in R)
 
user315433
But I'd suppose there is a C# library implementing an equivalent of that optimization function...
 
Oded
Oded
Thanks for stealing my thunder. — Jason C 4 mins ago
Achievement unlocked.
2
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
LOL
 
Jason C
Jason C
lol
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Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
1:42 PM
hello @Jason's cat!
 
Jason C
Jason C
Cat typing is more: \][[[ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp‌​ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
lol
 
Jason C
Jason C
Today's gonna suck. It's 9:45 am and it feels like 5 pm.
I'm already ready for tomorrow.
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
@Jason here, jump through this portal ^
You'll reach tommorow.
 
Jason C
Jason C
I tried. Anybody know where I can get a replacement display panel for a thinkpad?
 
Feeds
Feeds
1:58 PM
 
Magisch
Magisch
I wonder
If there is only one candidate for a election with 2 positions, the election gets canceled unless there are at least 3 candidates, right?
If so, would it be considered system abuse if 2 other people got rep on the site with the intent of running so the one candidate they support can become moderator?
 
user315433
@Magisch A frivolous nomination can be withdrawn. But if they earned 300 reputation points and wrote something that passes as a nomination post, I think they are in the clear.
 
user315433
Their intentions are theirs to know.
 
Jason C
Jason C
And heck they might pull a Jeremy Banks, get elected, actually take it seriously, and then get hired. Which isn't a bad thing. Ya never know.
 
user315433
The onus is on the community to see what is going on (just one viable candidate with 2 positions), and respond by adding stronger nominations.
 
Magisch
Magisch
2:10 PM
@Gerry That would be a win for these people then, no?
I'm considering doing this since I like the one candidate and don't like to see the election canceled
If that draws out another good candidate that's a win-win-win for me, no?
I just want to know that I won't be banned for it :p
 
user315433
@JasonC I don't know how seriously he took it, but he was a mod April - November 2015 and was hired in October 2016. So this is not an example of a smooth mod->employee transition.
 
user315433
 
Magisch
Magisch
@Shog9 Any opinions? Would you consider obtaining 300 rep on a site to run for moderator so the election doesn't get canceled abuse of the system?
Like providing an alternative that people probably won't go for.
 
user315433
@Magisch I suggest not to. Cai can win on their own terms, and GD site will come up with enough candidates. It's not a ghost town. Coming to town as a support brigade can only hurt Cai's chances. We already had a discussion here of whether it's "Charcoal bloc" or "Charcoal briquette" in terms of mod elections.
 
Magisch
Magisch
@Gerry I'd only do it on the last day
if no other nominees are forthcoming, of course
 
user315433
2:23 PM
@Magisch Oh, and the elections doesn't simply get cancelled in that case. The nomination period is extended by one week, and there's a post on meta drawing attention to the fact. This has not yet failed to produce additional candidates.
 
Magisch
Magisch
@Gerry Alright
That's very reassuring
Guess I won't need 300 rep after all there :D
 
user315433
Get 150 instead. :) I have my 152 ready.
 
user315433
This reminds me...
 
user315433
Nov 15 '16 at 3:37, by Shog9
I... Think I prefer spring elections.
 
user315433
It's May 24...
 
user315433
2:32 PM
So either there won't be SO Election 2016, or we're back to Fall Schedule.
 
user315433
Or, the moderators get replaced by a table of regular expressions.
 
user315433
One of pain points at GD is the perception of the site becoming a kind of a freelancing site except that customers don't have to pay.
 
user315433
I sometimes wonder how many math tutors (typically, starving graduate students) were put out of business by math.se
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
assuming they ask for one
@JasonC probably aliexpress.
I'm ordering a keyboard off there for my x220 at some point
 
user315433
Trivia: what sites, other than SO, had two moderator elections in one year?
 
user315433
2:46 PM
The one I know is Drupal.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Of course, I wonder how many mods SO needs before they get their legendary queues in check, or if it even scales like that
 
user315433
They have a Data Science team now... maybe after having optimized the Jobs search they'll come up with some really clever flag handling algorithms.
 
user315433
3:01 PM
 
Shog9
Shog9
@Magisch depends a lot on how you earn that 300 rep
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Magisch There's actually been a short tradition of candidates standing for similar reasons
I actually stood in 2 elections (AU and SF) cause someone there was like "We need enough people for a primary ...."
 
user315433
@Shog9 Say it's 100 suggested edits. Good/bad?
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
and if you care about a site enough to do that, getting that 300 rep should already be in place
@Gerry that's a little like digging a grave with a spoon...
 
Shog9
Shog9
@Gerry I'd reckon that'd nearly always be seen as abusive, given the time constraints implied by the scenario itself.
 
user315433
3:08 PM
Yeah, on a site other than SO or Math it'd probably become a Meta topic apart from the election.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
on the other hand, if you hit a HNQ or proper-like ground out good answers...
 
user315433
Unrelated: once SO is excluded, Math has about 50% of all obviously-chatty comments on the network.
 
Shog9
Shog9
You'd be...
...probably not expressing much in the way of expertise or interest in the site's topic via your actions
...probably not expressing much knowledge of moderation / governance relevant to the site (possible, but unlikely)
...dumping a large number of edits in a short period of time on a site that, if it wasn't rather quiet probably wouldn't meet the criteria for the scenario in the first place
IOW, even if you succeeded, your nomination wouldn't appear a very credible alternative
 
user315433
cc @Magisch ^
 
Derpy
Derpy
so many rolling heads.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
3:16 PM
only 2 ;p
and yanno what they say, a rolling head gathers no moss.
 
Derpy
Derpy
@JasonC, please, rename the room to "Queen of Hearts's Tavern (MY GOD, IT'S FULL OF HEADS!)"
 
user315433
Mine isn't rolling. It's just looking down on something.
 
Shog9
Shog9
...or someone
 
Derpy
Derpy
@JourneymanGeek That is just what they want you to believe. You think there are only two heads....
 
Shog9
Shog9
I guess I could see a scenario where you're, like, renowned literature expert and organizer, stepping up to help out our quiet Literature site in its first election that we've inexplicably approved despite all the quiet, and earning 300 rep in 2 days is just no big deal...
...but unlikely.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
3:19 PM
@Shog9 entirely in theory, that could be done with one HNQ over two days or so... ;p
 
Derpy
Derpy
but look closely. Even Oded is just another floating head on a mannequin, disguised to look like a normal person. And probably balpha too!
@JourneymanGeek so long, it was nice to meet you :P. You pinged the unspeakable one.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
you might be a rolling head on a rocking horse...
 
Jason C
Jason C
room topic changed to Derpy smells like cabbage: MY GOD, IT'S FULL OF STARS! Wheel of blame link bolted on for your ease of use: jsfiddle.net/Ldvwp8uv/12/embedded/result [bug] [crickets] [discussion] [excuses] [support] [waffles]
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Derpy people keep telling me this ;p
 
user315433
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
3:21 PM
May 14 at 10:51, by rene
It was nice knowing you @JourneymanGeek
@Derpy I though pinging him when he's not around what was brought about the plague of rolling heads....
 
Derpy
Derpy
@JasonC Only if it is a cabbage flavored muffin.
 
Jason C
Jason C
... Deal.
 
Derpy
Derpy
More seriously...
 
Jason C
Jason C
room topic changed to Tavern on the Meta: MY GOD, IT'S FULL OF STARS! Wheel of blame link bolted on for your ease of use: jsfiddle.net/Ldvwp8uv/12/embedded/result [bug] [crickets] [discussion] [excuses] [support] [waffles]
 
Derpy
Derpy
@Oded would you consider to add a "Don't Panic" banner on the meta site logo just for tomorrow? :P
 
Oded
Oded
3:24 PM
???
 
Derpy
Derpy
Towel Day - 25 May.
Hitchhiker Guide to the Galaxy
 
Oded
Oded
Ah - will need to consult my guide.
 
Derpy
Derpy
^_^
 
Oded
Oded
I fear the reaction of towel haters
aka - the great unwashed
 
user202362
@shog what if room owner starts to having mental issues, does SE care?
 
Shog9
Shog9
3:25 PM
"starts"
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
I'm PRETTY sure you need to be at least a little crazy to be a room owner.
 
Magisch
Magisch
@Shog9 100 edits in 14 days, doesn't sound too bad
 
Shog9
Shog9
@Magisch you don't have 14 days
 
Magisch
Magisch
considering if you start when nominations begin and are done by 1 day before extended nominations close
Nominations is a week and extended nominations another week, no?
 
Derpy
Derpy
 
user202362
3:27 PM
I have seen C++ lounge's room owner get removed for setting a rather dangerous title to the room
 
Magisch
Magisch
@Shog9 Also, the goal wouldn't be to be an alternative really. The goal would be to prevent cancellation of the election
 
Shog9
Shog9
@Magisch this would require you to identify the scenario before you have any evidence that it actually exists. IOW, you'd have to start earning rep on the chance that the election would be a dud.
 
Magisch
Magisch
Well yeah
still, give or take one or two answers, suddenly it's not that bad anymore
I'm talking a hypothethical here
 
Shog9
Shog9
@Magisch you asked if it'd be considered abusive. The election would be canceled because of a lack of alternatives; if you're providing a non-credible alternative, then you're not really preventing a cancellation situation, you're just making it harder to identify; that's... a bit abusive.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Telkitty eh, isn't C++ lounge somewhat infamous?
 
Magisch
Magisch
3:30 PM
@Shog9 Alright, that's what I wanted to know
Obviously it's utopic to become a credible alternative in a couple of days when you have no relation to the subject matter and never used the site before. Although I could probably find a non abusive way to get at 200 rep in 5 days on any site give or take
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Magisch also worth considering. If you have no relation to the subject matter, and have never used the site before... why do you care?
 
Magisch
Magisch
@JourneymanGeek I care about every site on the network
I fight spam everywhere
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
erm. I'm not really sure how true that is.
 
Shog9
Shog9
Consider that by far the fastest way to get 300 rep is to answer a bountied question and win... Which also requires you to know something about the subject matter. The slowest way is probably to ask barely on-topic questions that never get voted but do get answered, and accumulate the accept bonuses.
 
Jason C
Jason C
Well, to know something about the subject matter, or to make offline "arrangements".
 
Magisch
Magisch
3:33 PM
@Shog9 You forgot finding a relatively easy but on topic question and researching outside of your expertise to find an answer
very likely to attract a couple of upvotes
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
There's a handful of sites I care about, that involves at least a minimal engagement with the community
 
Shog9
Shog9
@Magisch that's not really faster than a bounty
 
Magisch
Magisch
That's the most realistic way for someone with no prior knowledge to get at that rep
 
Jason C
Jason C
room topic changed to Telkitty on the Meta: MY GOD, IT'S FULL OF STARS! Wheel of blame link bolted on for your ease of use: jsfiddle.net/Ldvwp8uv/12/embedded/result [bug] [crickets] [discussion] [excuses] [support] [waffles]
 
Magisch
Magisch
@Shog9 Not really, bountied questions tend to be those who are hard. I'm talking about finding an easy question
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
3:34 PM
@Magisch eh, I'd disagree.
 
Jason C
Jason C
You can nominate other people for mod elections too, can't you? Maybe somebody worthwhile could be convinced to legitimately run.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
nope
 
Shog9
Shog9
@Magisch "easy" is probably still suggested edits. Can also be fast, if you're a fast editor and there are actively-reviewing moderator(s) and you somehow manage to not piss them off by making a ton of edits in a day.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
you can, however convince them to run
 
Magisch
Magisch
@Shog9 It's very easy to do that
 
Jason C
Jason C
3:36 PM
Huh, what am I thinking of. Maybe I'm just remembering some sort of non-election "we need a mod" post or something from a long time ago.
 
Magisch
Magisch
Just use a) the most recent questions and b) do complete edits, not just one-trick-ponys
and not more then 20 a day
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@JasonC I literally cannot think of any case where someone was nominated to run
 
Shog9
Shog9
@Magisch keep in mind, edits are rate-limited now by # in flight, so you're blocked at 20 until someone reviews. Blocked longer if whoever is reviewing gets tired of seeing your name.
 
Jason C
Jason C
@JourneymanGeek Yeah... I'm sure I'm completely misremembering something else.
 
Magisch
Magisch
@Shog9 Right, but the goal isn't to spam all of it out in a day
 
Shog9
Shog9
3:37 PM
@JasonC First two elections on SO allowed 3rd-party nominations.
 
Magisch
Magisch
Goal is expressly not to piss of the site community, but to do something actually valueable that also gets you there
 
Jason C
Jason C
Maybe that.
 
Shog9
Shog9
Then it takes more time
 
Magisch
Magisch
Well yeah
 
user202362
The quickest way to become a mod(if you are highly skilled), is to hack the database. That coincidentally, is also the quickest way to get yourself banned
 
Magisch
Magisch
3:37 PM
If say I formulated this plan when the extended nominations start, I'd still have plenty of time to get the rep at 20 edits a day
 
Jason C
Jason C
room topic changed to Tavern on the Meta: MY GOD, IT'S FULL OF STARS! Wheel of blame link bolted on for your ease of use: jsfiddle.net/Ldvwp8uv/12/embedded/result [bug] [crickets] [discussion] [excuses] [support] [waffles]
 
Magisch
Magisch
I wouldn't like an election getting canceled, but I wouldn't abuse a site community over it
standards and all
 
Jason C
Jason C
Well I mean
Also, if there aren't enough candidates to keep the election going, it's possible the site isn't active enough to need another mod, too.
 
Derpy
Derpy
or, if the original intent was to stop the cancelling by abusing the system... Ask a friend to create an account, casually award him/her a bounty, have him run a "fake" mod candidate, laugh and giggle for your perfect plan while the SE staff won't notice anything....
...
....
And enjoy the ban when you will find out that somehow they DID notice.
 
Shog9
Shog9
@Magisch even at that rate, by the second day there's a very good chance most of the questions on the front page would have your name & face on 'em. So you'd have to be making some really delightful edits.
 
Jason C
Jason C
3:39 PM
And if the current mods aren't pulling their weight any more that's a different question to ask.
 
Magisch
Magisch
@Shog9 Not that hard most questions can use a rewording to be made clearer
I'm just saying I think I could do that
 
Shog9
Shog9
I don't mean "acceptable". I mean "oh look it's that guy again - WOW THIS QUESTION IS FASCINATING I NEVER SAW THE DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH BEFORE MAGISCH'S EDIT OH PLEASE RUN AS MOD GREAT WIZARD!"
 
Magisch
Magisch
And if I couldn't I would accept I can't do it and move on
I'm not even that sure I'd be a good mod to begin with
 
Jason C
Jason C
@Shog9 Great, now I'm going to spend the next forever looking for the perfect opportunity to actually leave that as a comment somewhere.
 
Magisch
Magisch
I think I could do it well but that may be my vanity speaking
 
Shog9
Shog9
3:43 PM
Incidentally, that type of edit tends to demand at least some minimal topic knowledge, so... Non-abuse is back to requiring you to have some small interest in the site beyond gaming an election.
 
Magisch
Magisch
It certainly requires you to get familiar with the subject matter, but you can do that as preparation
It's a bit of work, but you can do it
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Telkitty or hired
 
Magisch
Magisch
Like starting to use LaTex to get at that site or researching about christianity
Tbh though there are very few things in the stack sphere that I couldn't develop at least a small interest for if called for
not saying I'd be any good at it but that's another story
 
Shog9
Shog9
Not just that. Also learning that TeXSE likes minimal examples, and Christianity likes questions focused on the teachings of a specific sect/denomination. Local culture, as it applies to the topic.
I've watched folks try this; a good copyeditor with a bit of research can go in and clean up a poorly-written question, but if they're polishing a turd that's not gonna generate a lot of goodwill.
 
Magisch
Magisch
I'm very ashamed to admit that I spent a completly inappropiate time reading site metas for no reason other then that I find the nucks and crannies of various stacks entertaining
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
3:49 PM
*nooks
 
Magisch
Magisch
Like I probably read more of the workplace meta then of the actual workplace
:p
 
Shog9
Shog9
(anyone here remember when we hired a team of people to go through a bunch of sites and edit questions?)
 
Magisch
Magisch
I'll take a guess and say that ended poorly
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Shog9 it was.... chaos?
tho, didn't a good chunk of them stay on in other roles?
 
rene
rene
That has become ExpertsExchange
 
Shog9
Shog9
3:51 PM
@Magisch naw, they learned a lot about the sites in the process; it was a good exercise. However, we did have to give them special "non-bumping editor" privileges.
 
Magisch
Magisch
If only there was a job for reading and responding to meta posts
 
Shog9
Shog9
<----
 
Magisch
Magisch
You do more then that
 
Shog9
Shog9
Yeah, but it's debatable whether any of that is in my charter
 
Magisch
Magisch
I'd do that job as a volunteer if I could :p
 
Shog9
Shog9
3:52 PM
Well, that's kinda how I got hired
 
Magisch
Magisch
Consider though that you did that at exactly the right time
These days, y'all have a full community team
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
lol
 
Magisch
Magisch
I doubt I'd have a shot even if I tried my ass off. As companies grow the hiring process formalizes, I guess. I suppose you guys have dedicated interviews and hire people with years of experience these days
 
Shog9
Shog9
Right - we have folks who actually studied for work like this. Me, I just happened to be around when the place opened, so I do whatever needs to be done.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
I sometimes do it for free ;)
 
user202362
3:55 PM
if you have pets, you do volunteer work all the times
 
Magisch
Magisch
So unless I want to desert stack and go somewhere else I suppose I'll stay at doing what I do as a hobby
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Magisch heh, in my case I tend to stick around (and help out) cause I like certain spaces.
Its somewhat more than a 'hobby'
 
Magisch
Magisch
@JourneymanGeek sure, but doing what you do as a hobby as a day job is the penultimate dayjob, no?
If I could dispense with having to code for half of minimum wage and spend all day on stack I'd be a happy camper
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
true, but the lack of that isn't really going to make me quit SE
 
Magisch
Magisch
sure
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
3:58 PM
I mean sure, I went from hanging out all day as an unemployed bum, to spending lunch hour + before/after work on the sites...
 
Magisch
Magisch
me quitting would require somewhere else being better then stack in the ways that count which is ... unlikely
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
lol
Well, I was elsewhere before stack and somewhere else before that...
 
Magisch
Magisch
I was too
I used to moderate minecraftforums
total and complete shitshow compared to stack
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
oh, my old digs are decent
I actually left cause I kinda dropped of the face of the earth for a few years
 
Magisch
Magisch
I got used to objectivity and civility here
The kind of irrational idiots you get here maybe once a week I used to get at least 200 a day of on mcf
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
4:03 PM
@Magisch but that's something that almost any community can have
 
Magisch
Magisch
sure
but even the underbelly of stack has vastly fewer
 
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, pattern-matching website in answer: For furigana, can katakana be used instead of hiragana? by rankup111 on japanese.SE
 
user315433
@SmokeDetector Speaking of low-participation elections, Japanese had the weirdest one: japanese.stackexchange.com/election
 
user315433
But in this case "cancelled" means "we forgot to check the number of candidates before the election began, so it had to be restarted".
 
Jason C
Jason C
4:58 PM
@Gerry By "weirdest" do you mean it involved a lot of large monkey suits and girls trying to blow bugs into each others mouths through plastic tubes?
 
user315433
5:30 PM
 
bjb568
bjb568
 
rene
rene
@bjb568 selfie without a stick?
 
bjb568
bjb568
:3
 
user315433
My blog isn't fancy (standard WP), but even it has a search box. stackoverflow.blog on the other hand...
 
user315433
5:45 PM
Although one can type something into URL, for example stackoverflow.blog/welcome and end up with an article where the title begins with that word: stackoverflow.blog/2011/09/15/welcome-chaos
 
user315433
Was trying to figure out who on the Community team matches
 
user315433
2 hours ago, by Shog9
Right - we have folks who actually studied for work like this. Me, I just happened to be around when the place opened, so I do whatever needs to be done.
 
Andy
Andy
Isn't the SE blog Wordpress based again?
 
user315433
It is. But it doesn't have the search plugin or whatever.
 
Andy
Andy
It's been a long while since I used wordpress. I thought that was just standard packaging. Good to know though, I suppose.
 
user315433
5:51 PM
Maybe it's Juan M, who "graduated with a Psychology degree [...] decided to pursue a career as a school teacher. After several years of teaching Math, Science and Spanish, he discovered community management and retreated to the salt flats" stackoverflow.blog/2015/08/21/…
 
user315433
Ana did CM things professionally before SE, but that's not what she studied for.
 
user315433
Tim Post and bluefeet came directly from programming jobs. So did Jon, I think.
 
Travis J
Travis J
6:23 PM
I want to comment on teh blogs, but I would prefer to do it from my SO account.
 
rene
rene
yeah, well. That is a long standing FR
 
Travis J
Travis J
At least it is a rational one
 
rene
rene
I mean, with their OpenID setup they were kind of ready for that
 
Travis J
Travis J
As opposed to, say, forcing downvoters to comment. People seem to love to ask for that.
 
rene
rene
Maybe on meta the question boilerplate could be about comments on downvotes
 
Travis J
Travis J
6:28 PM
I don't follow
 
rene
rene
Assuming people understand that it is weird to type the same stuff as what is in the boilerplate text
 
Travis J
Travis J
In the title?
 
rene
rene
@TravisJ don't worry, that is normal
 
Travis J
Travis J
placeholder = "Please, for the love of Cthulhu, do not ask to force downvoters to comment."
 
rene
rene
yep
 
Travis J
Travis J
6:31 PM
I just want the tags to be included in the search params... I will keep annoyingly repeating this.
@rene - Heh, who says you can't be in the same place at the same time.
 
rene
rene
@TravisJ Everyone is allowed their pet peeve
@TravisJ I dunno ....
 
Travis J
Travis J
6:45 PM
@rene - I only said that since we both sent a message here and then commented on mSO on the same answer in the same minute.
 
rene
rene
Yeah, I figured that out a bit later :)
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
7:08 PM
Now that's a new one. Off topic chat room. ;)
 
Travis J
Travis J
couldn't have shared the transcript?
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
lol
You can right click and open Incognito ;)
 
Jason C
Jason C
7:29 PM
@rene "support MSO pre-filled the question I was about to ask, how did it know?"
 
Travis J
Travis J
A: MSO can read your mind.... and yes, I would also like a taco.
 
Jason C
Jason C
WTF IM TOTALLY EATING TACOS RIGHT NOW SO WEIRD
 
Travis J
Travis J
lol
Due to so many questions been too broad and unclear answerers have become reliant on being clairvoyant.
 
Jason C
Jason C
7:51 PM
I love how the comments on the vim blog post degenerated into debates about vim.
 
rene
rene
this is the only VIM I know ...
 
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