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12:11 AM
@rene Its called the "suspension badge"
Its so special its invisible, and may even come with vote invalidation
also, Holy Cow
@StevenVascellaro Not sure where the rules proper are, but Its under plagiarism and link only answers
Its more of a informal rule though
Q: Your answer is in another castle: when is an answer not an answer?

Shog9I think we can all agree, this sucks: If you've been around a little while, you've probably encountered hundreds of answers like this in various forums, some of them even marked as "The Answer" by well-meaning1 forum admins looking to close a thread. We could try to enumerate the commonly-obse...

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2:27 AM
@Gerry :(
Ah, that's a good problem to have. Writing reports on research.gov means I'm getting some $ from there...
It did work on the second attempt.
2:43 AM
Should I post my answer to both questions?
The second question seems to be the one that comes up in search results the most often
Nevermind. Found a relevant post asking this exact question. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/85470/…
3:37 AM
@StevenVascellaro mergers are a pain in the rear not done right
If you think two questions are similar, close as duplicate is usually the best option.
3:53 AM
@JourneymanGeek The better/more popular question is the one without an accepted/upvoted answer
closures will still keep the old question around
cross posting answers on questions that are identical is frowned upon
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7:11 AM
The guy is shonky at best. He's got a link to Avast from which he's trying to earn commission (I mean really? on StackOverflow?), and he had a massive automated reputation loss due to voting irregularities: stackoverflow.com/users/1592845/…Mike Chamberlain 33 mins ago
Uh, is this comment appropriate?
@Fawad I have a question about that on ELL
Q: What's with "star as interesting" and "unstar as interesting"?

M.A.R. These are normal common messages most of us who've chatted in SE chat interfaces have seen. I find the way the negation prefix un- "acts" intriguing. Why would I star and unstar a chat message as interesting? Does "unstar as interesting" mean that I unstarred the message because it was inter...

Unfortunately with disappointing answers
@M.A.R. so stackexchange is going to fix it?
@Fawad Nope, because it's not strictly ungrammatical
@M.A.R. CC @Shog
@M.A.R. that happens when you star a message by ,being room owner,pin and unpin. When un-pinned,that message gets starred. So stackexchange messed up some where there.. (I think)
@Fawad Oh, regarding that, there's already a post on meta.SE
But since it's not really end of the world, don't expect it fixed this soon
7:19 AM
@JourneymanGeek that's a good suggestion ...
@M.A.R. I'd need a lot more context to decide - I mean, if someone had said that on MSU
@JourneymanGeek It's kinda public shaming
IMO, that comment doesn't add anything to the meta post, so NC
7:25 AM
but the question itself...
Unmodhattedly, I think its pretty uncool
@JourneymanGeek the question is lame for sure, because it's not a question
In theory, your profile is whatever you want it to be
In practice ... eh eh eh...
It's just expressing amazement for markdown working in profile
@M.A.R. why did you tag that with . It almost feels like you rephrased your title in the tags and that is not where tags are for, no?
7:26 AM
I can't...
Which is weird, and means they haven't seen Will's profile
Well, SO devs are letting spam on about me, they didn't remove it/delete the account
@Elephant devs don't typically moderate directly?
@rene You preferred if I tagged it ?
7:27 AM
"as" is an important preposition to tackle with
And my phrases contain grammar that has to do with "as"
@M.A.R. can't it do without it? Either as, ass or arse.
ELL's tags are pretty stupid and irritating, @Flower, but there are much worse tags than this one
OK, fair enough
Not going to battle ELL
It is their stupid language anyway ....
other than the bits they stole...
which is most of it
The weird thing about it is half the mod team agrees with me that the [grammar] tag is bad, and the other half disagrees
7:37 AM
And there are two mods?
@rene Five mods
One of them was on the fence
So that's two and half for each side
@M.A.R. :D
@AdamLear Looks like some early documentation stuff got leaked into the edit tag wiki page: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/348865/…. Was that intended?
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@JourneymanGeek huh? Why fishy? And why 10k only? confused
@ShadowWizard deleted post?
The app is crappy, that's a fact.
umm... no. The question is not deleted
and basically he posted, deleted instantly
the answer
10:22 AM
you should have posted this in the beginning.... impossible to guess you mean an answer when posting link to the question.
Yeah, my bad
(I was distracted by minor drama elsewhere)
but yes, this is a spammer indeed.
@JNat looks like another cross site spammer has just been born, even though he self-deleted the single spam post on MSE we saw, I'm pretty sure more will follow. Your decision what to do about them...
I suppose that works. Ironically I'm not sure what's proper SE etiquette there
since its pretty unlikely I'd notice it elsewhere (no 10K except MSE and SU)
@JourneymanGeek well, when spammer self deletes the spam it's really bad, as they can undelete it at any point and it won't bump anything.
oh, delete/undelete bumps now
10:27 AM
Still, it might take more time to notice.
(I know this cause I was trying to abuse this for flag cleanups)
Anyway, when the spammer got accounts on several sites, I usually call @JNat here to nuke them all. :)
Otherwise, just flags should be enough.
Well, we have ways too
but we've been hinting we need something better and cross site for a bit
10:31 AM
I have an idea for a feature request. When a user is Destroyed (usually spammer) on one site and got accounts on other sites, create automatic custom flag on those sites, alerting the moderators about the user and asking them to check.
@JourneymanGeek drama? Please, expand! bringing popcorn :D
10:54 AM
@ShadowWizard already voted earlier ... :(
@rene so we need @Bart :/
Yeah, definitely
@ShadowWizard shrug
Someone had a bad day
Nothing major
Certainly not fun
So, typical rage quit.
11:13 AM
no rage quitting
have him mostly calmed down
had another mod point out something I missed ;p
Give me 6 to 8 minutes and they will rage quit ...
that is something we try very hard to avoid
I'll be glad to sic you on recycle the next time he turns up tho
About to start some maintenance work on our network. Risky for chat service, even if no user impact is planned.
11:30 AM
chat is
not down
11:53 AM
hello world
It's done. No impact seen.
false alarm
Wonder how come @Gerry didn't post those tweets before @SNAFU though.
Heh, feed users aren't pingable. Shame.
Wonder if Smokey can blame them?
@ShadowWizard It's rene's fault.
12:12 PM
I have a feeling that in 1/1/2018 I will edit this again.
(and in 1/1/2019)
All those blank on the verge of false announcements... just irritating.
12:31 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Do longer gun's barrel improve accuracy? by Shit on engineering.SE
12:50 PM
@SmokeDetector I guess you like that @ShadowWizard
@rene I like that even more
Oh hi @M.A.R. I didn't see you sneak up on me ...
That's why it's called "snaking"
you snake!
@rene nah, I don't like my friends being blamed :D
1:35 PM
@M.A.R. then why isn't on starboard? :D
2:04 PM
Quant.SE mods are weird as hell
My "too chatty" flag on this was declined
Thank you very much — Michael WS Jul 16 '13 at 22:06
Finally I got it.
2:25 PM
@M.A.R. to meta with it ...
@Fawad got what?
@rene Flagged again, a second decline would mean it's not a misclick
@ShadowWizard Got the rectangle
@M.A.R. Let's all flag that, to teach them this is how the Tavern likes it
@rene The Dark Tavern Rises!
@M.A.R. or they are Won't
Q: Chatty comment flags are chatty

Won'tSince chatty comment threads already get directed to chat why bother keeping the "too chatty" comment flag? I don't ever recall its use being beneficial. I also don't like the fact that you can't actually determine if a comment is too chatty without visiting the post in question. The flag qu...

@M.A.R. it's not, I believe many moderators simply think comment flags are pointless.
(unless spam or rude etc.)
2:30 PM
They don't seem to have participated in MSE (not that it defines anything though)
@M.A.R. but he's a dragon
@Elephant yup, no rule to casting or handling "too chatty" comment flags.
Q: When should the "Too chatty" flag for comments be used?

LittleBobbyTablesSo, in the spirit of George's question, I decided to try my hand at flagging comments again, and flagged a comment as "too chatty". The question I found was non-constructive in my opinion, but someone answered anyways. There are now five comments below the answer, with the last comment being th...

No answer there. ^
@ShadowWizard 1. those are mods that are tired of not understanding the UI, which is most probably not mods of a quiet beta 2. That's a misrepresentation of their view. In their view, either comments should be deleted or they should be not. Considering harsher reasons don't bear extra weight on deletion, it's either delete or don't delete
Though I agree with this answer though
A: Acknowledging "thank you" comments

jadarnel27The purpose for comments is improve the question in some way (provide constructive feedback, request clarification, etc). See the "comment everywhere" privilege page under "When should I comment?" and "When shouldn't I comment?" for more details about the explicit purpose of comments. Having lo...

@M.A.R. I don't think so. What I get from Won't post is "Don't bother us with comment flags, we have more important things to do".
So they just decline all comment flags to teach that lesson.
dunno how many such mods exist, but pretty sure more than just this one.
Nah, still going with Occam's razor. It's either a misclick, or weird site moderation culture
2:34 PM
Again, you consider something that is different from your opinion as "weird", and that is a mistake.
@ShadowWizard It's not just my view. I don't hold a grudge against that comment, or that poster, but it goes against the no-noise philosophy of SE
@M.A.R. a single "Thank you" comment is not noise in my opinion. At least not noise worth bothering to remove. When it becomes whole discussion it's noise worth flagging and removing, or when it's part of a post.
@ShadowWizard You're conflating "noise" with "bothersome". A comment that contributes nothing to the discussion is always noise
Considering moderating it is hurting no one, I don't see why there should be a problem
I mean, I'd reconsider if there were additional penalties for the poster of the comment
But there isn't, even for the "rude/offensive" comments
And the argument that a thank you feels better than an accept or upvote is moot, because the poster of that answer has long seen and forgotten about the comment, and seeing it again won't serve any purpose
@M.A.R. well, I don't object flagging it. I just say some moderators don't like it because they consider it waste of their time. And there's no official SE policy saying otherwise as far as I know. So personally, I'll not flag such comments myself.
If you flag again, a different moderator might handle this, with different view, and delete the comment.
Or the same moderator, who will get pissed off and decline again.
We can't really know...
And I still don't think it's a "site culture", just different personal views of different moderators.
@ShadowWizard Well, that's the SO perspective of things.
2:48 PM
You can try catch a moderator or two in chat and see.
Quieter betas with no major events underway usually have a core group of reviewers, and only one mod handling flags
@M.A.R. Well, this one looks like your best bet. If your second flag will also be declined, probably better try and invite him to chat, see what's going on.
And I'm telling ya; mods thinking non-prioritized flags are a waste of their time are way more likely to be on SO than Quant
There is also the chance that those moderators simply don't know that such comments are considered as noise.
If its one or two, its fine
I once had someone throw me flags 50 at a time
2:55 PM
@ShadowWizard much more likely
It's always a very good idea to flag things you come across, not flag things you search for
@JourneymanGeek probably script, think @rene got one.
@JourneymanGeek It's always a very good idea to use apostrophes when you should use apostrophes
@ShadowWizard I waited till he messed up, then mod messaged hom
@M.A.R. whhhheeereee?
2:57 PM
also if it'll be deleted anyway or it's on hold, don't bother.
I probably should just go clanner and not use contractions at all.
hmm, 2k to 15k
tho I might be slowing down answering stuff I suspect (or at least not being the first person to)
@ShadowWizard that was for comments found by blaze and was created by @hichris123 and/or @undo IIRC. Gerry has something as well as does @Andy ...
naw, this was none of em
and he was primarily searching for (mild) profanity in comments
wanted to grind a flag badge I guess
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4:10 PM
Wasn't there a url that showed the raw markdown source of a post?
I thought I remember there being some "view source" thing or something somewhere.
@JasonC on the revision history page
Oh there it is, sweet thanks
4:43 PM
So, question: I'm going to start tracking HNQ data. I'll be logging all the params from the core formula (question score, answer count, total answer score, creation date to compute age). I'm also adding some things I think are interesting (individual answer scores, up/down vote distribution for questions and answers, view count). With the idea that we may want data to simulate alternate algorithms, what other interesting things do you guys think should I track?
@JasonC number of close votes, if possible time between the post was close voted and it was closed, number of comments, number of protections, number of answers downvoted to -2>=
Anything goes, as long as it can track questions that get into HNQ on and off and on and off and...
Also, maybe it can answer my other curiosity: how often the hotness/HNQ is refreshed?
@M.A.R. Sounds good, I can do all that. The number of answers downvoted to some threshold we can cover just by logging per-answer scores.
Per-answer comment counts, too.
4:59 PM
@JasonC I guess it doesn't make sense to count the comments under the question and the answers separately
An accumulated number works
@rene it's not new, but it shouldn't be a blocker
yeah, friendly name is a red herring. we really need to fix Suggested Edit queue stuff, though. Clear error messages would be a start. Possibly raising the queue size limit as well. I'll ping folks internally.
Which religious sites are there? There's Islam, Christianity, Mi Yodeya...
Also Emacs and Vim
5:10 PM
Oh god
Well that escalated quickly.
More seriously: Biblical Hermeneutics and maybe Mythology though not really.
As for major religions, you have them all. There are only so many.
Notably missing: Confucianism
5:15 PM
Hmm, also that Pasta religion thing
Was its site shut down?
Isn't Stack Overflow a religious site?

Proposed Q&A site for pirates and followers of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

Currently in definition.

@πάνταῥεῖ Not really. Programmers are robots.
@Gerry Thank God still in definition
In the sense like Quora or Reddit are :-P
@M.A.R. I well like the pastafaris!
Well I don't
5:18 PM
They are more serious like any catholics or muslims.
@M.A.R. Just a hint for a good reading about all that kinda stuff (contradictory I know):
Illusions: The Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah is a novel by writer and pilot Richard Bach. First published in 1977, the story questions the reader's view of reality, proposing that what we call reality is merely an illusion we create for learning and enjoyment. Illusions was the author's followup to 1970's Jonathan Livingston Seagull. == Plot == With some similarity to Nevil Shute's 1951 novel, Round the Bend, Illusions revolves around two barnstorming pilots who meet in a field in the Midwestern United States. The two main characters enter into a teacher-student relationship that explains the...
Still another opinion
If you want to celebrate diversity, you should accept Muslims and Christians as another variation
Just because someone is religious doesn't make them ignorant
@M.A.R. I'm accepting everyone with their beliefs, but I seriously don't accept any ideologists!
I consider myself being a buddhist BTW.
@πάνταῥεῖ That's self-contradictory
5:24 PM
@M.A.R. That's one of the basic things you try to come over as a buddhist.
What is?
@AdamLear Can you make meta.stackexchange.com/questions/295727/… CW? I don't feel like it's rep-worthy.
Rep avoidance is a side-effect of CW, not the goal. The question's fine, enjoy the free rep. (Plus you'd be denying rep to every answerer)
And if people think this is a lousy idea and waste of time, they should be able to downvote with some actual consequences.
5:27 PM
@AdamLear Yeah I didn't think the answers deserved rep either. But, sure, I concur with whatever you think about it.
"I've been fascinated by the HNQ list" is dv-worthy on its own.
@Gerry Hah, any time now gnat is summoned
> gnat is awesome and has lots of great ideas. He helped me a lot today. That is all. meta.stackexchange.com/users/165773/gnat … -- Tim Post at 8:47 AM - 8 Oct 2014
I don't remember anyone else getting such an endorsement from a CM...
5:37 PM
The context is: Empowering tag-badge holders part II - let's look at silver? -- which didn't go anywhere, of course.
Oh man, meta.stackexchange.com/a/2837/230261 and the comments are awesome
@Gerry Because no one else carried the cupboards while full!
5:59 PM
Thank you very much — Michael WS Jul 16 '13 at 22:06
Comment flag declined again
@M.A.R. Well, buddhism says: Drop recurrent silly behavior.
CC @Sha
Pick the sites where mods are more likely to click delete button on a comment flag.
@M.A.R. Should we open a bandwidth waste calculation?
@πάνταῥεῖ ?
6:06 PM
Pro tip: Magento is not one of those. Neither is Apple.
@Gerry Meh, I was just curious of the outcome
Guess who's not going to get a cleaner site, huh.
Suddenly even feel too lazy for a meta post.
@M.A.R. Well, too chatty flags should be rather used for real noise and bandwidth savings, shouldn't they?
@πάνταῥεῖ That is indeed real noise, and it contributes nothing to the discussion
Small noise != Big noise
@AdamLear Ah, I didn't thought about that option of a full queue. Goes to tell how often I create new tag wiki's, I only saw that new field today. Thanks for the answer on meta.
6:17 PM
Nice, two unrelated downvotes
I wonder who started to like me on meta.SE
@πάνταῥεῖ So? Noise is noise, and removable.
@M.A.R. glad you noticed. My effort doesn't go to waste then ...
Wonder why they downvoted my answer though? It's easier to just downvote questions. No further loss.
Probably just not a pro.
I have lots of rep to spare on answers
@M.A.R. On the other hand consider the backlog burden left to moderators and if that's really worth it.
@πάνταῥεῖ There's no "backlog" on a site as quiet as Quant.
There are hardly any reviews there
6:27 PM
But well, if they decline, they could also easily simply delete such crap.
That's the point!
That the decline is pointless. Even more pointless than the comment.
Upgrading one of our edge routers in Colorado. There should be no user impact.
@SNAFU so that's why I can't load any site pages
@SNAFU Hi Xavier, we don't see you here often.
What if I ran a script flagging 100 thank-you comments on every site as too chatty?
6:39 PM
Can't do all 100 on all sites of course, but there are many where I have a lot of flags to cast per day.
Curious what the retribution would be.
22 sites with 100 flags/day quota = 2200 comment flags, still doable with daily API quota. (I stick to the rule of requesting flag_options before casting a flag, which takes two API calls per flag.)
@M.A.R. Yeah, finally I got it. But I'd still bother to take the efforts flagging such stuff at all ;-)
Gerry is awesome and has lots of great ideas. He helped me a lot, maybe two years ago. That is all.
@Shog9 wow, no fair
The sites have been annoyingly slow for me since Xavier did that thing
It also kicked me out of my logged in sites once.
6:54 PM
Too bad my great ideas have been exhausted already, perhaps two years ago.
@Shog9 Well, Jeff Atwood had awesome ideas. But I don't really want to dig deeper into that kinda political mud.
While we're sharing compliments, here's one more:
> Stackoverflow Docs is truly great. Awesome place to start learning patterns, data structures & core principles stackoverflow.com/documentation/javascript/188/… … -- Thibault Maekelbergh at 11:45 AM - 7 May 2017
7:07 PM
If one does not mind learning them in totally random order, that is.
@Gerry Patterns are overrated. I've seen ideologists going completely mad and wrong with that stuff. If you know patterns, you should be well aware about all the anti-patterns in 1st place.
1st rule in software development: Swtch on your brain after the 1st cup of coffee in the morning!
@πάνταῥεῖ Not good advice if you have to commute before your 1st coffee. I ended up in all kind of interesting places but never at work with their coffee machine ...
To explain my views better, let's take a small step aside into gastronomy:
It's essential you know all the basic recipes and how you manage to get that stuff successfully and tasteful. That's just the plain craftwork.
To make a real business with that, it takes way more. You have to be creative and vary thos receipes. Even better you develop completely different ones along the lines of your business concept and what you have to offer to all of your customers beyond the very common fish soup.
@rene You could have had your own coffee machine at home in 1st place? Also I was always feeding my plants with coffee grounds, would you demand more nutrition actually?
7:28 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ yes, I could and also I have. I was trying to make a joke. Thanks for spoiling that.
@rene NP! I'm also known as the "Big Spoiler" ;-)
I bet you are
That's probably the only reason I'd like to have a Lambhorgini car with a Big Spoiler once at all ;-)
@rene I'm very proud of that role.
@πάνταῥεῖ yes, yes, I got that ...
@rene BTW I really love your jokes, seriously!
7:37 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ sure, sure, sure ....
And it didn't help I guess
8:13 PM
Mods tend to be annoyed by 20 identical flags on identical comments. But what if it was a randomized process, dropping a flag once in a few minutes, across the network? Hmm.
8:34 PM
@tchrist Post on meta ELU, referencing meta.stackoverflow.com/a/348825 It's SO only for now, but could be turned on elsewhere.
> By default, this will be off on all sites. We're only enabling it on Stack Overflow for the moment.
Regarding the "obligatory comment" coming along with downvotes:
I don't have to say something nice, so I don't say anything. — πάντα ῥεῖ 1 min ago
Will observe the % of success.
8:46 PM
@M.A.R. DD @M.A.R.
Whoa, that's a new one... @Gerry changing avatar to match @Elephant!
watching pulp fiction
I know, it might cause Infinite Recursion...
@Gerry cool, thanks.
@ShadowWizard Every time a pleasure. I've been watching that countless times :-).
9:09 PM
> TIL all StackExchange API responses are gzipped by default. No way to turn it off. I’ll better learn how zlib works in node.js -- Lars Trieloff at 1:44 PM - 7 May 2017
That's something I never had to think about. At what protocol level does one have to work for this to become non-transparent?
9:30 PM
@Gerry Gods are overrated I always said that!
9:57 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ I watched it years ago... forgot how Z died.... LOL
(just remembered the "Z is dead, baby")
@Gerry whatever might bring @Inf back is welcome! ;)
10:46 PM
Company page still has 2015 statistics. :(
@Gerry every hour maybe.
Or half hour.
And let's be honest here, you're dealing with harmless noise on the site with noise for the mods
Comes with the territory.
11:38 PM
This as text^
11:56 PM
@Gerry we're still only human by definition tho

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