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Jason C

2:29 AM

Any patriots fans in here? I hope so. Because bahaha, eat it.

Journeyman Geek

What sport?

user202362

pizza eating competition of course ...

Journeyman Geek

ah, ok

then totally much eating needs to be done.

bjb568

3:17 AM

-5

Q: We're Implementing an "announcement" Tag for Direct Communication From the Team

Following up on this answer that I wrote to a question wondering if the policy on political discussions had changed (and several other places), I indicated that setting 'announcement-y' type stuff apart from features, bugs and discussions was something we could do to lessen the dissonance folks f...

When all the rest of the world is out of touch with reality, why must SE be too?

Previously, SE has always seemed to know when to stop digging ... — Iain 12 hours ago

user202362

+40 & -45

bjb568

The established community hates it.

Really, that's all that matters.

That SE keeps pushing forward with it shows that they really don't know when to stop digging.

Soapboxing doesn't belong on meta, that's it.

user202362

kind of reminds me of trump & his cabinet vs everyone else ...

Journeyman Geek

tbh, I'm worn out from all the shouting

bjb568

Me too.

user202362

3:26 AM

'we are a demoncracy but f*ck everyone else opinion if they don't agree with me'

bjb568

Yesterday I went to a debate tournament and shouted at judges repeatedly that communism was good. Given this is Ohio, that went over well.

Journeyman Geek

@Telkitty I agree with the actions SE took

I just don't feel the best use of my time is to get sucked into draining comment fights

user202362

trump has supporters too

Journeyman Geek

(also, since its meta, meh about downvotes. <3 to anyone who actually commented, especially if it felt reasonable)

Jason C

Holy crap. What. A game. eats earlier words

@JourneymanGeek am football. Superbowl. Just ended. First overtime superbowl ever. And an insane comeback.

Journeyman Geek

3:29 AM

ah!

which reminds me

checks on his fidget cube shipment

@JasonC forgive me for being less than excited

I don't really follow sports and American Football is certainly not a thing in south east asia

Shog9

@JourneymanGeek ah. Well, for folks who aren't up on American Football... Tonight, The Patriots are essentially Donald Trump.

Journeyman Geek

erm. Wildly Divisive and with Terrible Hair?

Shog9

That too.

Journeyman Geek

.... it took me about 5 minutes to work out the notification chirp here.

Snatching Victory from the jaws of Defeat?

(god knows how)

Jason C

I cannot remember the last game I watched in any sport that kept me on the edge of my seat for that long.

Journeyman Geek

3:41 AM

>_>

Winter Olympics. Curling

Some day, I will actually understand why the hell its so compelling ;p

Jason C

(I was revenge cheering for Atlanta btw. I'm always rooting against the Patriots. It's my only solace, Pittsburgh can't touch them.)

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Shog9

We'd all kinda wandered away in the third quarter... Then... Riveted!

Journeyman Geek

Amusingly, the only/first piece of news on the superbowl outside the ads in my news feeds is...

> According to USA Today, a Comcast spokesperson confirmed that there were some regional outages in Washington DC due to a pair of fires in the area.

... sounds like a hot game

user202362

I am sorry, I don't watch other people living their lives (on sports channel/reality TV), I am living my life :p

Shog9

3:51 AM

(just in chat)

user202362

right ... living my life on the internet ...

hichris123

@JasonC Isn't that everyone?

Jason C

@Shog9 It was Matt Ryan's fumble. It was huge. And then the sack and the flag. And the Patriots desperate conversion. And like everything else in the last 30 minutes of that game now that I think about it.

I was totally checked out just after halftime.

Shog9

@JasonC yeah, the fumble was the pivot-point

suddenly... "whoa - they're still playing!"

Jason C

And then there was what's his names ridiculous catch that defied physics in the replay. The one that bounced.

I think it was Edelman

Yeah

Shog9

4:04 AM

It was entertaining, a welcome break from the past. Even the half-time show had an admirable lack of plushies.

Jason C

mobile.twitter.com/BostonSprtsNews/status/…

Aw no mobile URL one boxing

@Shog9 Oh I skipped lady gaga in favor of Puppy Bowl highlights, lol.

Shog9

you frick'n furries

Jason C

Lol

user202362

user202362

gaga is awesome :p

Journeyman Geek

4:17 AM

lol. Am I dating myself by saying she totally owned the same playbook Madonna used? ;p

Shog9

@JourneymanGeek no, that's pretty blatant - although thankfully not the hair.

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Jason C

4:41 AM

Gordon Ramsay Dash has coffee in the Canadian level named "Tom Hurtins". I can't stop giggling at it.

user202362

I think that's the idea dress if you are going to a romantic BBQ for two and you promised to bring meat and alcohol ... pity romantic and BBQ doesn't go together :p

Jason C

@Telkitty So first of all the ideal "dress" for a romantic BBQ, as far as I'm concerned, is sweatpants and a T shirt. Second, I feel like if I can't take a date to a BBQ and have it be romantic, she's the wrong girl.

user202362

I absolutely love BBQ, sweatpants and T-shirt, I just don't consider them to be associated with romantic

user202362

4:51 AM

wtf is this?

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Shog9

You want romantic BBQ attire?
You want Jorts.

Jason C

@Telkitty lol. The orange one is apparently sick of having its head grabbed and concluded that the best solution is to simply remove its own head.

Lol jorts.

user202362

yeah, sure, jorts ...

user202362

you brought it upon yourself

Shog9

5:08 AM

yep. Looks like every romantic BBQ I've ever been to.

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user202362

5:26 AM

Last weekend, I rented a safari tent & next to the tent, there was a BBQ stove & water tap. So I had romantic BBQ for 4 - me & leftover for 3 kookaburras

user202362

SmokeDetector

6:11 AM

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6:23 AM

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6:37 AM

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Stijn

8:00 AM

@Telkitty that looks very tasty :)

@JasonC I missed this one. Watched it a few times the past years, but since it's middle of the night for me I have to take the day off afterwards and feel really tired for the rest of the week :p

user202362

@Stijn I am sure the kookaburras agree with you :p

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8:28 AM

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Stijn

@bjb568 the Skyward Sword OST is a nice album too

the game came with a CD (and a golden Wii controller)

Shadow Wizard

10 answers here, 0 comments from Tim or the team (on the answers.) Why did he ask for feedback if he ignores it? Doesn't really encourage posting another answer. (Not sure I got something new to add there myself, just speaking in general.)

Derpy

@Stijn talking about "useless" collector editions. And still, that is probably better than things like the badge from the Kingdom Hearts one....

Shadow Wizard

I was expecting kind of active dialog between the team and the community in such a matter.

Stijn

@ShadowWizard I'm kind of hoping it doesn't have a featured tag yet because he was expecting a bunch of feedback and wants to go over it first.

Shadow Wizard

8:42 AM

@Telkitty oh, it's old.... 6 or 7 years. I'm sure she's more mature now and won't do it again. ;)

@Stijn not talking about my own comment (don't really care, and it's just a comment), just ignoring the answers.

(or so it seems)

And for the record, I upvoted it - IMO Stack Exchange got full right to use their meta sites to their own needs, it's legit part of the deal.

Stijn

I've downvoted, because I wonder the same as the current top answer: What is this actually solving?

Shadow Wizard

@Stijn solving? Nothing. It's just making something "not kosher" into "kosher" by artificial means, by re-defining the rules. At least that's how I see it, and like I said, legit move.

Stijn

@Derpy eh, it's a nice piece to put on display :)

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Derpy

@Stijn .... oh well... Imho, the Ganondorf statue from the Wind Waker CE was better.

I was somehow hoping they would include a Zelda figure instead.

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9:30 AM

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Stijn

10:53 AM

@ShadowWizard Well look at mister fancy pants over here, having multiple gold tag badges :)

Shadow Wizard

11:38 AM

@Stijn lol, well, got to show off sometimes..... :P

Derpy

11:50 AM

... must be missing something about typescript import, otherwise it seems that the infrastructure was simply not meant to be used with angularjs.

Shadow Wizard

First smiley in the world? ^

Stijn

@Derpy it's more a problem of the 100 "standards" all being made to work together

add some webpack and you're in for a magical journey that'll make you weep

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy what do you mean? I'm using AngularJS for a while, it's wrapping jQuery to bind stuff. Though I'm not familiar with typescript.

Stijn

@ShadowWizard do I see "adidas" in there?

Shadow Wizard

@Stijn no idea, lol... just saw this in a local media site. :)

Stijn

11:53 AM

@ShadowWizard in TypeScript you can do import foo from bar, a bit like current gen and next gen JS. But it doesn't always work as expected.

Derpy

@ShadowWizard Assume that I want to use angular and ngDialog. I would do something similar to:

import "./angular";
import "./ngDialog";

Shadow Wizard

@Stijn well, according to this it's just a signature. ;)

@Stijn oh. but why? TypeScript fault?

Derpy

@ShadowWizard the problem is that then ngDialog would be "resolved" and executed before angular has time to load (since the file is much smaller) and will break because of the missing "angular" static instance (since angular.js wasn't load at the time)

obviously, the easy answer is that ngDialog should have an import "./angular"; too...

but since I don't control that file... I cannot add the line

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy or support some "chaining" of imports

Stijn

@ShadowWizard not really, it's just that there are multiple module systems out there, and even library authors have problems setting it up

Derpy

11:57 AM

so now I am wondering if I am missing something obvious somewhere.

Stijn

@Derpy there's a way, gimme a sec to find some older source code...

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy maybe synchronous import?

Derpy

@ShadowWizard basically that, yes...

Stijn

For certain Knockout things I had to use this syntax:

import * as ko from "knockout";
import "imports?ko=knockout!knockout-fast-foreach";
import "imports?ko=knockout!knockout-postbox";
import "imports?ko=knockout!knockout.validation";

but I don't really remember what magic made the syntax work

Derpy

@Stijn do you remember the specific module loader you used?

Stijn

12:09 PM

@Derpy github.com/TypeStrong/ts-loader I think

    loaders: [
    {
        test: /\.ts$/,
        loader: 'ts-loader'
    },

The infrastructure was set up by people before me, I only added some stuff occasionally

Derpy

@Stijn That seem specific to that loader. But thanks anyway.

Also, I think that I may have found out what I am missing.

I use require.js at the moment, and shims seems to be the solution

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Shadow Wizard

12:49 PM

So @Derpy you got it sorted now?

oh, this reminds me, @Jason how's your bookshelf? ;)

rene

1:10 PM

I opted-in for the new topbar. Is it busy in the queue?

Derpy

@ShadowWizard yep, it was the shim

I knew require.js had to provide something to handle that situation. Finding out how it was named was the difficult part.

Bart

0

A: UnityProject FATAL EXCEPTION: java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: No static method zzb Help Me Please

Make a new project file and copy your code there and then biuld a fresh apk,Thanks..Please Upvote

Stijn

@Bart whoops, my finger slipped and I pressed the downvote button :\

Bart

Can happen

rene

@Bart what do you want us to do? Delete it?

Bart

1:17 PM

@rene not really a call to action other than me shaking my head at the crap I just saw. Do as you wish. I'm still debating whether or not it's worth editing.

In all honesty, I expected sock-puppetry at first glance. But it's not

rene

Yeah, just script-kiddies

@Bart is this a dupe: stackoverflow.com/questions/40882947/…

I make no sense

Bart

I'd say it's a dupe

rene

can't you remove the emptylines as well?

Or am I pushing my luck?

Bart

Yes, you are

rene

OK, noted

the call stacks in both questions are the same

Stijn

1:26 PM

@rene has it been enabled for you yet? Is it still a sticky header?

rene

@Stijn not yet

Maybe I need to logout/clear cookies/ re-install Windows to get it working

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy oh, shame! ;)

@Stijn sticky header..... yikes.....

Coming next: animated Jobs ads

Stijn

94

Q: Unstick new navigation bar

Would it be possible to make the stickiness of the new navbar configurable? I understand that some people like to have the bar fixed on their viewport, but a) I don't, and b) now that the bar is bigger than before, it's taking up yet more space which I would like to be able to scroll away. Also...

feature-request top-bar

no dev response, of course

rene

@ShadowWizard +1, with sounds

Bart

<marquee>Awesome job! Earn $$$!</marquee>

3

Derpy

1:44 PM

and so the meta war continues

Eris will be proud.

Bart

Meta war? What are we fighting over now?

Derpy

@Bart oh, I assume it must be <announcement>Awesome job! Earn $$$!</announcement>

rene

2:10 PM

That is where the announcement tag is for!

Shadow Wizard

2:22 PM

@rene yes! And with flashing colors!

@Stijn yup. 1000% expected. They don't reply when the reply is "yeah, we don't care what you want."

Derpy

in Discussion on question by gwr: Is having a propensity to downvote a good thing or is it showing a bad character?, Mar 15 '16 at 11:56, by Derpy

@gwr once I played on a UO server. They had a rule there "If you don't like the server rules, that one is the door". Looking back at it, it was a pretty extreme approach at things, and in the end, the server population got thinner and thinner...

Derpy

2:37 PM

oh, btw, that server is dead nowadays. After living thru multiple provider changes, host failures, staff switching and so on... it finally collapsed under the weight of the "no longer care" curse

that said, it is funny in another way too... the good ol' "fake that you hate something because you don't want to be associated with it"

Shadow Wizard

3:53 PM

@Derpy huh? How is that?

(you still play Ultima online?)

Derpy

@ShadowWizard In a society that has it roots in appearance rather than facts, it is important that you look at how you appear. For example, even if you happen to love anime, try to always look like you think that cosplayers are terrible people who lost contact with reality and probably should be sent to a mental-illness clinic.

Whatever you do, try to look like a productive member of the society, conform to its standards. Never admit you like different stuff, never show empathy when it is not strictly expected,

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy this part I get and agree (that it's irritating), but how is it related to what you (and me) said before?

I don't fake anything... (I think)

And you also don't really hide your love to anime, ponies, etc. :)

Derpy

@ShadowWizard oh, but I also don't share those concepts of "society" so to speak, so that is probably to be expected. To the "civilized users" I am probably just yet another Mad Hatter.

@ShadowWizard Anyway, to answer you question here... nothing specific, I was just somehow "amused" by the link about the announcement tag announcement, and by the linked Joel "rant" that somehow managed to fly unnoticed to me before.

@ShadowWizard and also... no, I stopped long ago. I just happened to see that the server was closed. It took longer than I expected, but atlas the cause was still like I predicted. I sometime would love to be wrong...

Shadow Wizard

4:11 PM

@Derpy oh. Well...

@Derpy hmm.... so what you think will happen with Trump?

(just checking your future-prediction powers ;))

Derpy

@ShadowWizard oh, but I don't "predict" future, at least not in that way. Just drawing my own conclusion based on the recent fact. Which btw it is always the same.

Less empathy equals more unhappiness

I think it was... John Stuart Mill? Utilitarianism? now... I am far from that actually, didn't try to give that idea a structured form or rules like they did.... And in a way I also doubt it would give any fruit.

But... sadly I think that is the only answer I will give, sorry. No need to start another politic rant, so I will just go for that "great discovery" I just posted. Yep, may sound somehow expected, prosaic maybe... but as I said in the Cube, it seems people nowadays like banal discoveries.

Shadow Wizard

Yup, that's true.

Shog9

4:29 PM

@Stijn just started alpha testing this morning - until today, only available to limited people and only as part of A/B tests. Adding configuration options when you're trying to test folks' reactions is usually a bad idea, because you no longer know what you're testing.

IOW, don't expect a response until it's had a bit of time "in the wild".

Derpy

anyway, @ShadowWizard, if you just have to know, I will leave some other though in the Sugarcube. No need to bore out the other room users.

Shog9

If it's all the same to you, I think you should avoid boring out anyone; that sounds violent and unpleasant

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizard He will be removed of the presidential position in a near future

Which is geologically like the next second

Stijn

@Shog9 I haven't been able to test it yet but I still know I don't want a sticky navigation. The post has +97/-1 score, so I think it's an important enough issue to at least acknowledge the concerns. Nobody's asking to have it implemented already.

I guess it's just part of a larger issue, I feel like there's a disconnect between users and developers (or project owners), we often don't know if they care at all. But don't pay too much attention to what I said, I allow myself to be more rant-y in chat.

Derpy

... and the message some lines above is probably exactly what I meant, so time to "dolphin out"

Shog9

4:45 PM

@Stijn So... You'd want a response that says... "We've read this."

How many of those votes do you suppose are from folks like yourself, who haven't seen it and just assume they won't like it?

Stijn

@Shog9 ideally "we've read this and will discuss it in an upcoming meeting", yes. I'm aware of the existing Meta discussions about the scaling issue of responding to every question with a "we've read this", I don't at all expect that. But for questions with a certain number of votes, yes, that would be nice.

Even though in reality it's probably different, it kind of looks like a "we don't care" to some users.

Shog9

@Stijn let's try a social experiment

Stijn

...

well, at least that's a response, I have to give you that

I'm interested to see how people will respond

Shog9

0

A: Unstick new navigation bar

This may be a good idea eventually, but making it optional while it's still being tested and designed just makes both of those tasks harder. Feel free to propose this again once the new design is finalized, tested, and widely used.

@Stijn My guess? Crapton of downvotes, folks pinging me two years from now asserting that this was the moment when everything on Stack Overflow went to shit.

You know, like every other post where I tell folks stuff they don't want to hear.

But... That's just the prediction. Let's see what results the test produces!

Andy

Today in history: Everything went to shit.

Tomorrow in history: Went to shit again

Stijn

4:56 PM

I'm conflicted now, I want to downvote because I disagree, and I want to upvote because it's a useful answer.

xkcdBot

Today's xkcd comic (All You Can Eat):

After my absent-mindedness resulted in a bad posterboard-related stomachache, I learned to do the sign-making place last.

Bart

Well, if this isn't the moment where Stack Overflow went to shit, I don't know what is.

3

Stijn

:)

Shog9

FWIW, I just opted in to the alpha test on MSO, here's what my meta looks like now:

I'll let y'all know if/when it makes me furiously angry

(initial thoughts: harder to ignore my inbox)

Bart

5:14 PM

"On the one hand, it's easier to get Shog to notice stuff ... on the other hand, the consequences may be dire"

Andy

I'll admit that I was expecting a number higher than "6" for your inbox notifications

bluefeet

that was just for 5 minutes

Andy

That makes sense, then

Stijn

5:31 PM

Someone's saying we should delete the discussion tag on Meta

M.A.R.

@Stijn You won't see me complaining

rene

+1

Shog9

@Andy most of the time, I don't have an insane number of inbox messages.

Within the company, I'm not even in the top 20

M.A.R.

@Shog9 Seeing the list would be fun

Shog9

(of course, that's misleading because some folks get pinged on internal chat a lot more)

Werner

5:34 PM

Is it possible for any team member to have a quick look at this:

Double backslashes disappear from code

On TeX - LaTeX we has \\ a lot...

...so when it goes missing...

...sporadically...

...it seems weird.

I have my speculations as to what might be causing it, but that's all they are... speculations.

The issue is highlighted by the fact that it affects questions or answers, but not always in the same thread.

There's never any evidence in the post revisions about such a change (changing \\ into \ and removing the line break).

M.A.R.

OK, that's indeed weird

rene

@Werner does it happen on post or once processed server-side? That might be hard to answer, sorry

M.A.R.

@Werner So markdown mix-up?

Werner

It doesn't happen on post.

It seems to happen to older posts.

My suspicion is that it may deal with some back-end process...

Shog9

pretty bizarre

Werner

5:40 PM

...a process that reprocesses post text and then somehow reverts \\ to \ minus the line break.

Shog9

What's odd there is that we don't normally reprocess the source of posts; we modify the rendered output

Werner

Hmmm... normally...

Shog9

I'm trying to think of a reason why we might've done differently here

Werner

I know the post modifications are sporadic, so it seems like an abnormal intervention that's causing it.

Bart

Because reasons

M.A.R.

5:44 PM

@Bart I disagree

Bart

M.A.R.

!!/kick Bart

Werner

I did a quick check with voting, thinking that perhaps a user removal or voting reversal might have an impact (for whatever reason).

Stijn

Where do I post a feature request for SmokeDetector? I'd like to /slap people with large trouts

Werner

There is some discrepancy in the voting retrieved from SEDE and what I see on the main site for two of the posts I just checked.

Bart

5:49 PM

@Stijn of course with the appropriate dance

M.A.R.

@Stijn Stand up, move ten feet to the left. Then, dig the ground. There's a map. Let me know when you're done.

Jason C

@Stijn Oh man, you missed a good one. And the second half definitely wouldn't have helped you sleep, lol.

Stijn

@Bart thank you for bringing the fish slapping dance to my attention, that was great :)

Jason C

@ShadowWizard Amusingly enough, I put it off for a week, and literally just sat down to start working on it again 5 minutes ago. Which is why I'm hanging out in chat rooms instead of working.

Stijn

@M.A.R. I don't think my downstairs neighbours would appreciate me digging a hole in their ceiling

M.A.R.

5:54 PM

@Stijn They don't want you to find the map

Werner

I was wrong about voting discrepancies.

bjb568

@xkcdBot At least in Taiwan, chi1 dou4 bow3 (or however you spell it) is used for non-food things. You can get chi dou bow data (ulimited data). It literally means eat until full.

Jason C

6:24 PM

> The following fatal alert was received: 70.

Thanks, event log.

Holy crap, IT'S 70! EVERYBODY PANIC.

M.A.R.

70 doesn't seem so bad

Jason C

The event log needs this in the details:

@M.A.R. That's what everybody thinks, and that's how it gets you.

Anyways my Windows machine decided not to read ~~my camera's~~ any SD cards any more, because, you know, 70.

Stijn

@JasonC One things for sure. It's not the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything.

Everything else is possible.

M.A.R.

@JasonC The Windows has spoken

Stijn

6:45 PM

> Note: it may take up to 5 minutes to see changes.

It's definitely longer than that. It looks like your profile is placed in a queue?

M.A.R.

@Stijn I guess so.

It's been an hour for me

Stijn

~90 minutes for me

M.A.R.

6:58 PM

Is it just me, or an alarming rate of reviewers click ''No Action Needed'' when they shouldn't?

travel.stackexchange.com/review/first-posts/68267

Or maybe I've just gotten to see review links more often

Stijn

just got the new top bar

M.A.R.

I wouldn't have complained if it was SO.

@Stijn . . . and am about to rant

Stijn

@M.A.R. it's your friendly neighbourhood robo reviewer

@M.A.R. why?

Jason C

Uh oh, is there a new top bar again

Stijn

@JasonC you can opt in for it on SO

M.A.R.

7:01 PM

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Q: Documentation Update, February 6th

It is time for 2017's first major upgrade to Stack Overflow Documentation — a new Discussion feature plus some other improvements to menus, spam-prevention, review audits and the ever-popular vote split view. View Previous Update Shipped Discussion Every topic now has a discussion page. Th...

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Shadow Wizard

@Derpy OK, will take a look there soon. :)

@M.A.R. sure, 6-8 years.

@Stijn but soon it will be pushed to everyone. Just SO though. /cc @Jason

(in the near future - at some later point it will be pushed network wide.)

Jason C

@ShadowWizard The sad thing is, since sending you my last message, rather than stop procrastinating, I've actually spent this entire time trying to take a good closeup picture of my cheese grater. Because progress.

Werner

@ShadowWizard You've been around a while. Any ideas about this?

Double backslashes disappear from code

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC huh, know what you mean... when in stress, the mind seeks refuge wherever it can. ;(

Jason C

Also, word. Their top bar redesigns always make me sad but maybe this one will be different. Please let it not be a whitespace-crazed series of borderless rectangle buttons or something.

Shadow Wizard

7:09 PM

@JasonC cheese... grater... umm... for Life Hacks? ;)

Jason C

Or meaningless symbols, like dotted squares and plus signs in circles.

M.A.R.

@JasonC . . . that reminds you of Win 8? Yeah, this is pretty much that

Jason C

@ShadowWizard Lol no. I love how cheese grater pics -> Lifehacks is a reasonable guess though.

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Q: How do I wash the "pokey" side of a box grater?

I have this box grater, and one of the sides is "non-directional" (not sure what this is called) -- that is, the pointy "blade" things are on every side of the holes: Close-up: The fibers you see are from ginger. My question is: How do I clean this side of the grater? Sponges and rags ge...

equipment cleaning grating

Shadow Wizard

@Werner pretty sure it's something with Latex/MathJax or whatever is being used to render math symbols.... think I saw something in MSE but will have to search better later.

@JasonC I don't care about colors, just for it floating all over my page like a big sticky advertisement.

Werner

@ShadowWizard Thanks...

Shadow Wizard

7:14 PM

@JasonC LOL.. actually I have same problem, though with tomato in my case. It takes forever to clean that part! :/

Werner

...it seems sporadic though.

Jason C

OH NO. IT FLOATS?

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC of course. That's the whole point.

Jason C

Please tell me it doesn't float on mobile too.

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC probably not in first stage, but later on.... FLOAT EVERYWHERE... evil laugh

Stijn

7:17 PM

@JasonC there doesn't seem to be a mobile version yet

Shadow Wizard

Here is a preview of a sticky/floating top bar for those who still didn't see: stackoverflowbusiness.com/talent

ugh... it's floating in mobile too. @Jason. So most likely the new SO top bar will do that too.

(though it gets a different look.)

Jason C

7:30 PM

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A: Phase Two of Top Navigation Testing Begins Soon!

Disable float on the mobile site Can you please make sure this doesn't float on mobile? I can't understand why web designers think that trend is a good idea. All it does is trade like 25% of the already cramped screen real estate (especially in landscape mode with the keyboard out, made worse ...

Shog9

@ShadowWizard what the hell are you doing with a tomato on that?

I have tried (and continue to use) the plastic wrap technique for this purpose when I have need of it (say, when zesting a large pile of limes). It works well, not just for making cleanup easier but for wasting less of the precious zest. Note that it doesn't do much of anything to keep food out of the holes, but that's not usually much of a problem when zesting (I never use it for cheese). — Shog9 ♦ 33 secs ago

@ShadowWizard that is... Nothing like what it looks like on SO

Thomas Ward

!!/alive

SmokeDetector

@ThomasWard Kinda sorta

Thomas Ward

(sorry it wasn't pinging elsewhere briefly)

rene

7:45 PM

where did the help go in the new top bar?

Looks like the /review took its place :(

Jason C

@Shog9 Fascinating. I need to try that immediately. When I first read it I didn't think it would do anything besides make a mess of plastic in the food.

I've been beating myself up in the kitchen lately. Between hot potato burns and cheese grater injuries I'm surprised I can still type.

Oh yeah and cooking bacon in only your boxers is always fun.

Thomas Ward

shivers

@JasonC don't put evil images in my brain, I remember cooking bacon in just underwear. Burns from the grease elsewhere.

Andy

I don't think you shiver from that. It's more jumping out the way and avoiding splattering

Jason C

Living alone is so much fun.

Shog9

@JasonC sounds like you need to invest in a mandolin

Thomas Ward

7:53 PM

@Andy the idea makes me shiver.

but you're not wrong.

Stijn

@rene I think I read somewhere that it'd be hidden for high rep users, since you're less likely to need it

Jason C

@Shog9 I have a ukulele. Will that work?

Shog9

@JasonC can you easily cut the tips off your fingers while playing it?

Jason C

Not sure. Challenge accepted.

Shog9

(Major drawback of capacitive touchscreens: hard to use while your thumbs are swathed in bandages and dead tissue)

Stijn

7:57 PM

@Shog9 you should get a pair of smartphone friendly gloves :)

Jason C

"How do I clean the cheese off my ukulele?" is a classic XY problem.

Shog9

mail gloves would be a good idea for mandolin users

Stijn

are the snares supposed to do that?

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