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12:00 AM
Hey, I'm trying to not collide and cause a fistfight
But I will gladly let either of you revert stuff. Also consider my last edit before my revert.
However, it's in the record so I'm good with that ;)
damn it's already 7? shit
I love that this guy (gal?) says "oh nobody didn't like envelope, what are you talking about silly oldtimer?"
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> member for 19 days
Firefox hates me
 
@drachenstern what is this envelope you speak of, ol' one?
 
waves hand ... bah screw it
 
12:31 AM
@Zypher what the hell did you do this time George?
> Meta Stack Overflow is currently offline for maintenance
 
it's called silencing ENTERPRISE SOFTWARE ENTHUSIEST
 
I am no ENTERPRISE SOFTWARE ENTHUSIEST
nor am I an ENTERPRISE SOFTWARE ENTHUSIAST
However, I also do not intend on killing anything living, so can I pretty please get onto meta? :p
 
@drachenstern sure
 
@Zypher :p thank you
 
but just for him, right @Zypher?
 
12:39 AM
haha
just wait :)
 
(I wasn't saying it was down for me, I didn't even look, I was just being sarcastic...)
 
I love fast string concat methods, where I can turn 30 lines of c# code into 180 lines of SQL and not have to manipulate even one line of the output SQL ... and still have a consistent user experience for all my error messages :D
Hey @RebeccaChernoff while you're here ...
Is this or do I still stand some hope?
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Q: Read-only peer-review mode for mods cross-domain.

drachensternConsider this: I am currently a pro-tem mod on <shame less="plug">http://dba.stackexchange.com</shame> and I want to get (for instance) @ChrisF to review a pending moderation item, since he's a moderator on http://programmers.stackexchange.com. It would be nice if there were a way to give ...

 
I'm lukewarm about that personally
Things like mod flags you can just link to the post itself...
Oh nice, someone is joining me a stl meetup (;
 
nice!
 
that's what I said!
 
12:54 AM
Ok, well if you're lukewarm then that means it's not totally dumb.
@RebeccaChernoff :p ~ But still, I'm happy for you. I'm hoping to see someone jump on "Downtown" in the next couple days, so I can be giddyhappy too ;)
 
@drachenstern Heh. Well, what's the use case?
 
@RebeccaChernoff I thought I lined one out in the situation there.
I'll reiter tho
 
4 mins ago, by Rebecca Chernoff
Things like mod flags you can just link to the post itself...
 
@RebeccaChernoff yes yes, what about user annotations?
Can't link to those can we?
What about site statistics? There's lots of mod only tools that are site-mod-eyes-only
 
There was a request for that from before I was hired I think.
 
12:57 AM
So anyways, just for that group of things that maybe you need someone more experienced to explain, at the times when there aren't dev's about to help out.
@RebeccaChernoff yeah, that's the problem with meta, finding old posts :\
if it can be shown as a dupe I'll proudly have mine closed (which you already know of course)
 
To Google!
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Also, if it's a dupe, then that means there's been a longstanding desire for that opportunity.
Yeah, my googlefu here is weak, I don't know what to search for in the first place
 
1:45 AM
Dear verizon please stop shoving the iPhone in my face ... if i wanted it i wouldn't have checked the "Don't show me this again" checkboxes
 
> Dear @Zypher, your message has been received. You will continue to receive these messages so that you do not miss this wonderful opportunity!
 
hmm no ... that's not right at all ...
Am i only only person that "Integrated Social Networking" doesn't count as a feature?
 
> Dear @Zypher we understand that you might not understand how marketing works. Please do not doubt us. Resistance is futile. We will assimilate you. You will enjoy it.
> Dear @Zypher Can you hear we now?
@Zypher no.
 
@drachenstern hmm so you are supplying hookers with your phones now?
 
If that's how you read that, then sure
 
1:52 AM
haha
hmmm
what about 4G and hookers?
 
@Zypher well, I don't think any charge that much by the hour, but sure.
 
hahaha
 
@RebeccaChernoff I is not alone in "Downtown"
 
wait ... wtf ... the Thunderbold is ... 274 w/ 1 year contract and 244-30 = 214 with a two year
that sounds like a rip off
300$ off for the first year, and .... 40 for the second ?
 
Yes it does
 
1:55 AM
@drachenstern awesome!
 
@RebeccaChernoff XD
I is not alone!!
 
@drachenstern sweeet
 
Jup
now if only VS would hurry it's ass up
 
hahaha
 
meetup.com/everywhere shall we start a pool on how many people and/or cities we get? (;
 
1:58 AM
I don't understand what you mean here
 
do you mean pool ?
 
@Zypher what are you talking about? that's what I said.
 
oh, nm, I understand now (/me too much code dancing in my brainbox)
 
@RebeccaChernoff haha ...
 
so maybe it's just me, but the old color scheme was easier to "at a glance" deal with
 
2:02 AM
It's split. Some agree with you, some agree with me.
 
gahhhhhh
the power just went out on my train
 
@drachenstern it's not that the old way was more aesthetic, just that it was more obvious
 
Surely a sign of an impending zombie attack!
 
ooooo zombies
 
My wife makes a very compelling argument. It's after nine. I'm going home. (the argument was that it's after nine)
 
2:33 AM
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Q: Can we get an enhanced style for Super User and Server Fault?

George EdisonEver since the new Area51 sites have been leaving beta and getting new styles, Super User and Server Fault have been patiently sitting with their current theme... which is fine, but they do look a little plain when compared to some of the other StackExchange sites. Yes, Jin has done an amazing j...

 
Any iOS users in here at the moment? Looking for a tester for a new concept.
 
...and just be thankful I didn't title the question "Eeeek! When will we get new themes for SF / SU?"
 
@GeorgeEdison hehe. Good question, +1
@Zypher - Are you in pinging distance?
@GeorgeEdison - Do you have an iOS device?
 
@moshe distance yes, brainpower is questionable
 
@Moshe Afraid not... :(
I have the webOS emulator and Android emulator, though.
 
2:37 AM
@Zypher - Can I send you a new app to look at. It's very raw, but a cool concept.
@GeorgeEdison - It's alright. Thanks.
@Zypher - Here's the concept:
You know how the iPod app keeps the position of your last song?
So you can continue it where you left off?
 
ja
 
@Zypher Wouldn't it be cool if you could "bookmark" playback times?
So you can continue from any location on any song?
If you are okay with it, I'm going to put out a TestFlight soon.
Well, that's what this app does.
 
uhh ... personally don't htink i'd use it ... i get annoyed when songs start in th emiddle and hit next
 
@Zypher No, the app only effects songs you bookmark, not your overall library.
Someone requested this because they listen to lectures and whatnot.
 
@YiJiang, Singapore: SUPPORTED!!
 
2:43 AM
ahh yea ... i doubt i'd use it at all
 
@Zypher Okay, fair enough
Now that @RebeccaChernoff and @Zypher are here... @RebeccaChernoff - Has the shirt gone out yet? If not, may I pick it up tomorrow from SO HQ?
 
@RebeccaChernoff Eh?
meetup.com is loading extremely slowly for me
 
@YiJiang Apparently she spoke too soon.
 
@TimStone Hahahahaha
Well okay, but I do have my doubts about the size of the Singapore community
 
2:59 AM
@Moshe think it has
 
@RebeccaChernoff Ah well. A visit would be nice if I'm allowed.
 
I'm not sure they're set up for people to just drop by.
 
@RebeccaChernoff I know. I'm just a bit stubborn, ya know.
@RebeccaChernoff Thank you for the shirt though.
 
4:01 AM
turns 22
 
4:27 AM
@TimStone Youngin.
 
Heh ;)
 
@TimStone So, when does this occur?
 
@GeorgeMarian Just now, I presume
It was 12am in NY
 
Oh, yah. Good point.
 
nods I'm not sure on the precise time, heh, but yeah. :P
 
4:38 AM
lol
Well, happy birthday, man!
That was my favorite age. Still young, but people stopped making comments about being legal to drink. :)
Woah, woah, woah Hogan and Tate are acceptable, but Milton is not? WTF?
 
Thanks! Hah, good point. Unfortunately I have no plans, mainly because plans require effort and after the conference I went to earlier this week I was too tired to find any, but yeah.
 
One can read into that statement in soo many ways. ;)
 
The intended way is sadly the most boring of all of the options :P
 
I... uh, don't understand that statement?
 
4:45 AM
So, what exactly constitutes a "word" in WwF?
 
Oh, WwF...
 
@YiJiang Which statement?
heh
I was referring to TIm's statement. :)
 
3 mins ago, by George Marian
Woah, woah, woah Hogan and Tate are acceptable, but Milton is not? WTF?
 
does this work in comments on the site?
 
@GeorgeMarian I've decided that they're just bastards when it comes to word choice.
 
4:46 AM
@RebeccaChernoff Don't think so...?
 
@RebeccaChernoff It doesn't technically "work" here to begin with, but definitely not on the site :)
 
@TimStone But, no Milton? I mean, really....WTF?
 
(in the sense that it's just here by the grace of balpha and may vanish in a puff of smoke at any moment)
 
this comment just isn't as fun without it
 
4:50 AM
Hahah, nice.
@GeorgeMarian Tate isn't even listed as a non-proper noun on dictionary.com. I call shenanigans.
This is as unacceptable as when they wouldn't allow me to play titi.
 
@TimStone It's a name, apparently.
 
Tate Modern is a modern art gallery located in London, England. It is Britain's national gallery of international modern art and forms part of the Tate group (together with Tate Britain, Tate Liverpool, Tate St Ives and Tate Online). It is the most-visited modern art gallery in the world, with around 4.7 million visitors per year. It is based in the former Bankside Power Station, in the Bankside area of Central London. History :Main article Bankside Power Station The galleries are housed in the former Bankside Power Station, which was originally designed by Sir Giles Gilbert Scott, the ...
Maybe?
 
That's why I was asking what they consider a word.
 
But it's a proper noun, and they don't do those, hrm.
Because you can't play people's names unless they also happen to be something else.
 
5:06 AM
OK, note to self. Next time I'm going to leave an empty server idle for 187 days, I should just delete it so I don't get needlessly charged.
 
Yah, probably....
 
Damn "I'll mess with it next week" excuses, heh.
 
Says the guy who turned his old desktop into a server that just sits there, most of the time, so that he doesn't have to fire up a VM whenever he gets a whim to do some programming. :)
 
My goal was to move my shared hosting content over to my cloud server, but clearly that hasn't happened yet. Though hopefully it will before my billing cycle for the shared host comes around again.
 
heh
My goal was to have my blog launched by now...
 
5:09 AM
Oh yeah, how's that coming along?
 
Tough economic times suck. That said, I need to just bite the bullet and buy the hosting already. I can put off getting the dedicated IP for another month or so.
I have started thinking about some blog posts and started recording those ideas.
 
Should have hijacked my server, heheh, at least I wouldn't have been throwing the money away then. :P
 
Ah, nice. I don't think that I could ever properly blog, my ideas are never concentrated enough to manifest themselves into something intelligible.
 
Well, as my time on the Stack sites has shown, I can do it when properly inspired. The question is can I do it regularly enough to make for a blog people will care about.
Granted, I'm not aiming to make money from the blog directly, so it just needs to be good enough to attract some attention from the right people. :)
 
5:15 AM
Heheh, indeed. I hope it goes well!
I nominate this as the best article ever.
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Thanks. I have another interview next week. I hope I can put the blog on the back burner as a result. :)
@TimStone Oh, my goodness. You'd think that by the age of 58 one would have better sense than that.
 
It was amusing, and was just a recount of events. No additional filler, no opinions, just "this happened", and I was satisfied.
Ah, nice. What kind of position are you looking at there?
 
jsfiddle.net/WTG3Y/15/embedded/result%2Cjs - not entirely because I sort of miss the rep graph, but also because I want to play around with a JavaScript graph/drawing API
(Don't run around reposting it though, because it contains a dump straight from my /reputation page)
 
@TimStone Sr. PHP Developer
 
@YiJiang Bad Chrome, leaving artifacts all over the graph! >:/ But nifty graph.
@GeorgeMarian Good stuff!
 
5:19 AM
@YiJiang Nice!
 
@TimStone Yeah, I'm not sure why that'd happen
Apparently Chrome's SVG support isn't quite up to scratch
Oh, right I remember
Its the Webkit issue. I need to call a special function to get rid of those artifacts
 
Personally, I don't think Chrome is all that hot. The separate processes is nice and all, but the browser itself just kinda pisses me off a lot.
 
> There is an inconvenient rendering bug is Safari (WebKit): sometimes the rendering should be forced. This method should help with dealing with this bug.
 
@GeorgeMarian Yeah, they kind of all piss me off. Chrome is the fastest though, so it wins for now.
 
@TimStone Yeah, that's why I separate them. I'm used to Firefox, so it gets most of my usage. Meanwhile, Chrome for this, and other, heavy JavaScript sites.
However, I do believe Flash is just a touch faster in FF for me.
 
5:25 AM
@GeorgeMarian Oddly enough, I get the same impression. I haven't tried to determine it conclusively though.
Hmm...I feel like I should do something work-ish...but I could also go back to playing Halo: Reach..decisions, decisions.
 
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Q: Which languages should Goma use in his next 'Which language' question?

FoscoFrom your experience with Goma, which languages should he ask us to choose between in his next 'Which language' question?

 
@TimStone I definitely noticed some lack of responsiveness with button presses in The Daily Show's video player.
 
@Fosco Who/what is goma?
Oh, its a user isn't it?
 
@YiJiang A programmers.SE member who has asked about 20 different 'Which language' questions
 
Huh, and they didn't suspend him or something
 
5:27 AM
he's almost up to 1000 rep.. looks like half his questions get closed lol
lol I voted to close my own question.. didn't know you could do that
 
5:43 AM
LOL, Jeff (I imagine) nuked all the comments on my 'hot' answer. But I don't hold it against him, he could have nuked the answer too :)
And he answered my ancient governance question too!
 
I like what having a wiki allows me to do, but man is that formating code fugly.
 
@GeorgeMarian The markup language used by mediawiki?
 
@YiJiang Yup.
 
6:17 AM
 
@YiJiang Well put.
 
Indexed is great for these kind of things
 
Being a visual thinker, I really them.
 
 
3 hours later…
9:17 AM
@RebeccaChernoff, (if you're not asleep). I'm going to start looking at this 'globalStorage' idea. As far as usability is concerned, have you got any ideas about how you think it should work for comments? It would be nice to let the user have some kind of control about what gets shared and where, but without getting too complicated....
 
stackoverflow.com/suggested-edits/19877 - We'll just... replace one typo with another /facepalm
 
Hang on, what is community doing accepting edits?
 
@Benjol A 10k'er went in and 'improved' the edit
 
ah..
 
An 'improvement' = auto accept edit, no matter if there is one or two reviewer
 
9:27 AM
hm, ok
completely unrelated jsfiddle is amazing. It's one of those inventions that just seems so blindingly obvious, once someone else has thought of it
If I wanted to load a url of a page into an iframe, any page, but have it the smallest and fastest and least likely to 'disappear', what do you think? www.google.com?
 
@Benjol I don't understand what you mean by 'disappear'?
 
Offline for maintenance, 404s etc.
 
But if you're looking for placeholders, example.com should do
 
(It's to hang my globalStorage on)
@YiJiang, no, I think it needs to load. I'm looking at your idea number 1 from yesterday.
 
Huh, example.com now redirects to iana.org/domains/example
I presume stackauth might do?
 
9:33 AM
I guess, but the thing is, because I can't host anything there, I'm going to attach a userscript to that domain. I'd rather not break anything in stackauth...
@balpha suggested katyperry.com :)
 
Hahaha
I don't think you will; they got the domain specifically to stick localStorage onto (with other things, of course), as long as you namespace properly it should be okay
 
@YiJiang, thinks. checking out stackAuth, they've only got one global data in there for the moment...
 
@Benjol Yeah, maybe that's all they need
 
It looks... no, weird, why load prettify there?
It looks like is loading an uncompressed copy of SE's main master.js file
 
9:37 AM
@YiJiang, I'm trying to work out if I can hijack their javascript too, save me attaching a greasemonkey :)
 
Eh, why should it be doing that? @balpha?
 
@YiJiang, correct me if I'm wrong, but won't I have potential conflicts with their handlers for message callback?
 
@Benjol Where?
 
hm, I guess we'll just be invoking each other's handlers and ignoring each other mutually?
 
@YiJiang StackAuth's master.js isn't identical to main's -- but you have to ask Kevin for details
 
9:46 AM
@balpha, is hijacking stackauth for my iframe a good or bad idea?
or even hijacking stackauths iframe? (don't know if that's possible)
 
yesterday, by balpha
@Benjol I don't know -- do userscripts work in iFrames? in that case, you could place the data in the localStorage of http://www.katyperry.com/ :)
as I said, I don't know if it's possible
 
@balpha, good point, I need to check whether I can attach userscripts to iframes first.
 
9:57 AM
Step 1. yes. jsfiddle.net/ScQJg
 
What is SO do to users who evade bans and makes multiple accounts so that he can ask/repeat a lot of questions. ?
 
@Reno IP Ban for the worse offenders
 
@Reno I don't know, but rumour has it that it's very painful :)
 
We tell the world that the missing envelope is that user's fault.
 
hmm how can I tell a mod (besides the effective poking with the method) ?
 
10:02 AM
Flag one of his posts
 
I mean I've dumped the users info in The regulatory HQ >.<
alright I'll try that
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Q: android basic example in eclipse

muralii need some basic example program for android in eclipse. please send programs

Maybe I should give up answering android question and move on to some other language/platform :(
 
@Reno, I downloaded eclipse, android sdk, and jdk yesterday...
and today I got stuck trying to get the accelerometer working in the emulator :)
 
yeah I know :) I read the chat
You're using this thingy ?
 
10:18 AM
Hesistated between winmobile7 and android. I thought android would be a good learning experience (java+eclipse+mobile+android all in one go)
@Reno yup, had trouble attaching it to the device, but not sure I chose the right device (looks more like a tablet than a phone)
 
Yeah android is good ... easy even, some complain that they use a lot of UI design patterns, I'm okay with it.
and yh that is the official android emulator
 
@Reno, I'd quite like to do a game (obviously) in the end, using the accelerometer. Hope it doesn't push me into C++, that would be a learning experience too many :)
 
No, it can be done in java easily, I've never made a game, but here is a good example. A game written by a google engineer.
 
@reno, thanks, I'll take a look
@balpha, hm, I can't post messages back from greasemonkey...
 
10:41 AM
sure you got all the parameters right? there are a few security things in postMessage
 
@balpha correction, I can, but I have to use unsafeWindow
 
@Reno "Yeah, Android is a great platform and all, and the future and increasingly relevant and a joy to work with, but man, the reputation you get on StackOverflow from it stinks, so I quit the job and went back to jQuery, which is perfect, does all things and has a proper upvoting circle!"
 
11:01 AM
This works in firefox, but not in chrome: jsfiddle.net/ScQJg/3
et tu Barry? :)
 
11:22 AM
@balpha, working in chrome & firefox... jsfiddle.net/ScQJg/5
lunchtime...
 
Anyone can confirm this?
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Q: How often are flag counts/allocation recalculated?

Richard aka cyberkiwiAt about 20 hours prior to this post, I had exhausted all my moderator flags. However, when I checked again about 8 hours later, I had 4 more flags. Unless memory has failed me, it seems like flags are given out or recalculated more than once a day (at 0:00 UTC). Is that true, and if so, how...

Looks like a room full of flaggers, thought I'd ask
 
You flag count is set back to max at midnight utc
max is a function of rep and flag weight (see your profile)
flag weight is influenced by how many of your flags were deemed 'valid' by moderators
 
@Benjol I thought the post would allude to the fact that I understand all of that... it is asking about something else based on observation. Related to the first point you made
 
you suspect it's more than once a day?
 
@Benjol That is the question. I'm checking if I have become senile; if memory is failing me. I swear I saw 4 more in the morning
(here, morning is 8 hours away)
 
11:37 AM
hm
dunno then
 
Multi-question:
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Q: Optimizing mysql random queries

Maurycy ZarzyckiI have two tables: Table GAME: id(int), added_at(bigint) Table META: id_game(int), meta(VARCHAR(64)) Now, each game can have 0 or more Meta tags related to it. I am trying to retrieve 9 games: 1 random game with "featured" META 1 random game with "premium" META 1 random game with "doublepoin...

And in general, optimization* questions -> programmers? * Non straight-forward single-point answer
 
11:56 AM
Global storage: proof of concept. jsfiddle.net/ScQJg/6
 
12:11 PM
sorry i got busy with stuff (to the guys who mentioned me)
I want to live here :)
 
12:29 PM
@YiJiang - the moderator elections on WordPress Answers have opened so your site needs updating.
 
@ChrisF Ooo, right. Okay
 
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Q: Information on the moderator candidates

ChrisFYi Jiang has put together a nice site that use the Stack Overflow API to display information on the moderator candidates. Click here to see all the information. The information presented is: The nominees election Answers/Questions on the main site and it's meta Up-vote/down-vote ratio Averag...

I posted my meta question on the site to highlight the page - so you might want to comment/answer when it's up.
 
Just a sec, should be very fast
 
I've also noticed that there are no icons for Cross Validated, English and TeX in the list at the bottom.
 
@ChrisF Hmmm? What did I mess up this time....?
Okay, I was being lazy there, my mistake
All fixed now.. now lets see if the page still works
Yup, it works. Great!
 
12:38 PM
All good from here as well.
 
Listen to this and put both your earphone's on
Why don't the music industry record sound like this D: ?
 
@Reno \o/ for surround sound
 
12:56 PM
Anyone want a £10 EA online voucher?
EA sent me one out for my birthday (which isn't until tomorrow) and i dont play games...
 
I'd say, try gaming stack-exchange but they might just pounce you and stuff :)
 
As you can see, badp has had some fun with the room description
 
hey whatever happened to pollyana ?
 
@Reno His name is Adam Davis
 
oh makes sense now, thanks ^^
 
1:10 PM
no one really wants it there either :P
oh well
 
1:22 PM
but anyway :D happy birthday and stuff ( I wont be online tomorrow )
 
2:04 PM
@MylesGray More like it's not clear how to redeem it :)
At least it isn't for me
 
2:17 PM
@Jin for the record, I hate that the boxes are there on answered questions. I could see it for accepted questions, but I still don't like those either. #StackOverflow
 
 
1 hour later…
3:23 PM
I like this track.
 
@badpssockpuppet To be fair, I would never choose blogger as a blogging platform
 
@YiJiang eh, not my point there really. :)
I still like the execution of the video.
 
@badpssockpuppet Oh definitely, but meh, I feel like I'm wasting my time watching the video
 
3:50 PM
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Q: Eeeeeeek! How does this question have 16 (and growing!) close votes without being closed?

marcogShould I use a 64Bit or 32Bit Linux for a high throughput LAMP server? has 16 close votes. Here's a screenshot from when it was on 9: All of them are for off-topic SF (this was at least true when I casted the 9th vote). How come it hasn't been closed yet?

Ahahahaha
> Our objective, if my memory serves correctly, is to surpass 19 voters. That's our previous record. – Grace Note 30 secs ago
I've just thrown in the 19th vote :P
 
Go go #20!
Hooray, it's hit 20!
we should get a badge for this
'ignored voter'
 
Lets now hope it doesn't generate 15 dupes when it does get migrated like that last bug :P
 
@YiJiang hehehe, that would be fun huh?
I'm 21 on that btw:
 
I think the problem is we haven't voted hard enough.
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Or the server got really drunk yesterday and hasn't woken up yet.
Also, is it new meta policy to start all bug posts with "Eeeeek!"?
 
@CanSpice Yup
 
3:58 PM
@CanSpice a) that's too many e's, and b) it's a meme now.
 
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