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user315433

12:53 AM

> UX Research @stackoverflow, formerly @Facebook. I value weirdness above most other things.

user315433

Expecting SO to become more like Facebook, but in a weird way. :/ (source: twitter.com/kristinalustig)

user315433

Also, there's a new product manager for SO Talent, Canada-based Puneet Mulchandani: SO profile‌, LinkedIn profile. The former is sparse compared to the latter... not really into dogfooding, eh?

user315433

1:08 AM

And sadly, the employee list no longer ends with ZsaZsa Zahourek... that was an emphatic end to the list.

user202362

1:20 AM

I have put in so much effort in entertaining the internet, and yet instead of sending me a letter stating how much it is appreciated, you imposed a 12 days of Xmas partial suspension ... attempt at it anyways. Wait, it is much longer. And then, you somewhat blamed it on the stability of the system. Yeah right, your system is always 'unstable' towards some people, or certain type of people. Why are you insulting my intelligence.

user202362

Oo, looking your stability is improving - suspension went down from 2 hours to around 90 minutes to 1 hour. Mathematician would have worked out that it shall reach nil around Xmas time. Omg, as good Xmas present as gifting a fox in the chicken coop.

user202362

meanwhile, I am here because you owe me a hat - I got a gold badge & there is no hat that comes with it

PythonMaster

1:53 AM

@Telkitty What do you mean "entertaining the Internet"? This sounds like you are not doing what is expected of you at Stack Exchange and therefore breaking the rules. You were probably suspended for doing so but since it was your first time (hopefully), the suspension was short. Oh, you got the gold badge before Winter Bash started unfortunately

Winter Bash started December 18, not 17

user315433

December 19 at 0 UTC

PythonMaster

Then how did the Winter Bash community wiki question about how to get all the hats get posted on the 18th?

Adam Lear

> asked Dec 19 at 0:13

PythonMaster

Oh my clock is different from UTC... oops

user202362

I think I got the gold badge last night

user202362

2:04 AM

at least I received the notification last night

PythonMaster

I checked already. Your gold badge on Physics SE was awarded the 17th

user202362

2:17 AM

around 873 days & 10036 views, averaging about 11.496 views per day

user202362

borderline stats

PythonMaster

What does this mean exactly?

user202362

the question has been there for about 873 days, and there are about 10036 views, so that averages to 11.496 views per day

PythonMaster

Which one?

user202362

the one that I got gold badge on

PythonMaster

2:29 AM

You do know that your stats make no difference whether you get the hat or not right?

user202362

calculating back, I should have gotten the gold badge on 19th or 20th, but the conclusion based on stats is insignificant because of the standard deviation

PythonMaster

But you got it on the 17th

user202362

if I want to hear that answer again I would have used a tape recorder, thank you

PythonMaster

But this is chat so you would have used the Snipping Tool

user202362

2:53 AM

@AdamLear ever bitten by your kitties?

user202362

3:04 AM

@PythonMaster have you ever heard of 2 hours suspension every night regardless of what you do, without any warning or indication

user202362

suspension usually serves a purpose

user202362

getting pleasure from other people's frustration is not one of them

user202362

4:00 AM

I got my hats from 1) trolling meta for 30 secs & 1) be in a chat for 5 sec

Adam Lear

4:18 AM

@Telkitty not really. scratched, sure, but they don't really bite.

bjb568

4:37 AM

csswizardry.com/2016/12/…

Utter insanity. If you're CSS is broken because you defined a shorthand property in a status class in a mixin that after being autoprefoxed results in an unintentional application of a shorthand style causing overriding of the non-status class styles, you have too much CSS, you're workflow is broken, and avoiding shorthand properties won't solve your mess.

Like why avoid margin 0 auto? Thing should have some other margin top/bottom than 0? Give Thing margin 1em auto. There's no evil in shorthand. Bugs caused directly by shorthand are purely imagined.

Santa Claus

4:52 AM

ho ho ho

user315433

flagz plz... zzz...

user315433

@SantaClaus is early this year... and doesn't have as many stars as last year, at least yet...

user315433

Dec 24 '15 at 5:39, by Santa Claus

Ho Ho Ho

user202362

5:09 AM

512 rep ... 1337

user202362

Santa Claus

5:36 AM

@zaq It's okay, I'll come back...theres got to be a hat for a well-starred chat message

Derpy

8:46 AM

just wondering....

This message is considered on-topic??

rene

Is there anything else I need to comment here?

Bart

Nah

Good enough

Maybe downvote them a little

But that's all

Derpy

Yep, the problem has been nicely avoided once again.

Bart

What problem? Avoided how? What would you do?

rene

9:04 AM

@Bart network wide?

Bart

Sure, but over time, for maximum evilness

inb4 "People on the Tavern are plotting network-wide serial downvotes!"

rene

Oh ... is that bad?

Derpy

@Bart Taken from this

> The first one is a "rant aspect". I won't judge your question based on this but know that, correctly or incorrectly as it may be, a question like your is going to be seen as yet another users "crying" about getting downvoted and trying to have the votes reversed. Again, this may be not your case but know that as it is the question probably will be seen as such and downrated just for this, even if it may actually point to some valid issue.

> Also notice that this isn't valid just for your question. Any question that seem to be just a rant about the system may risk to gets its hidden value unseen if people are distracted by the rant.

user202362

Catopatra

Derpy

9:14 AM

@rene thanks, spellchecker. :P

rene

you're welcome

Derpy

(new strategy - send posts links to rene so that the flower may fix any grammar related issues)

rene

The only gold badge I can probably earn is by getting Copy Editor

needs a little under 300 edits, so hold tight ...

Bart

@Telkitty that amuses me more than it should

user202362

:D

Bart

9:21 AM

@Derpy tone is always a horrible problem, particularly in online scenarios.

Derpy

@Bart if someone comes and post some rude rants, claiming another user hit him with a mace.... I will edit out the rude part, but I will also go looking for that mace.

Bart

@Derpy yup. If the post amounts to "Let's discuss why all you people are a bunch of stupid fluffernutters" however, there generally is no saving.

Derpy

Also, if that mace keeps being mentioned by multiple ranters, I should probably start to assume it really exists.

Bart

Not necessarily. You can still be dealing with a vocal minority for a problem which doesn't really exist. Heck even look at the tons of blog posts out there about how terrible SO is, only to read that they never really got what SO was about in the first place (which may be the actual problem)

user202362

I would recommand using bio-degraduable weapons such as giant corn or frozen tuna

Bart

9:27 AM

Tweet that at Trump please. Better that than him getting into nukes.

user202362

nukes are safe, as long as you are far far away

user202362

sun is kind of like a nuke, in the sky, far far away ...

Bart

And I've seen various instruction videos telling me I'm perfectly save hiding under a table or shielding my eyes from the flash, so maybe I should just top worrying and love the bomb

rene

top worrying is a telling spelling mistake ...

user202362

I thought of an excellent attention whoring question that I can post on physics - 'is it possible to cook meat using starlight and multiple magnifying glasses'

user202362

9:34 AM

what you guys think?

rene

That would go down in an epic crash I think.

Maybe will fly on LifeHacks

user202362

mad scientists would love theoretically possible crazy questions

user202362

too deep for lifehack

Bart

Doesn't involve baby wipes, so not appropriate for LH

rene

OK, you post it, I'll get the popcorn

Derpy

9:42 AM

@Telkitty I think that something similar was actually posted once. Not the cooking part, but a question about why it isn't possible to indefinitely concentrate sunlight using an infinite amount of magnifying glasses

user202362

9:52 AM

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Q: Is it possible to cook meat using starlight and multiple magnifying glasses

So you can burn a paper with magnifying glass and sunlight. Light from stars are similar to that emitted by the sun, just much, much weaker. Theoretically, is it possible to cook a thinly sliced piece of meat using multiple powerful magnifying glasses to converge light (and thus, energy) from s...

user202362

baby hit it (upvote button) one more time

rene

user202362

will let it brew overnight

Stijn

@Telkitty there's a mythbusters episode where they try to set a wooden boat on fire using a very large mirror setup and it turned out to be really really hard, so I doubt you'll be able to cook with starlight :)

user202362

it's all about energy density

user202362

10:02 AM

I could think of a way why it wouldn't work

user202362

the equipment required is probably gigantic

Derpy

mumble... technically, the sun is a star..... and there are multiple commercially available sun powered cooking devices....

user202362

10:18 AM

energy density and loss ratio of the converging media

Stijn

10:59 AM

Ugh, what's up with MSE voting today.. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/340207/…

Three downvotes in a few minutes for a question that is perfectly fine to ask

rene

I think the meta crowd is a bit fed up with all these celebration questions

Stijn

11:14 AM

Hmm, maybe yeah. I imagine the "I hate hats" crowd doesn't like those questions.

Derpy

11:33 AM

let's try again

3 hours ago, by Derpy

This message is considered on-topic??

rene

@Derpy yes, why wouldn't it be on-topic?

Stijn

@Derpy Not sure. I guess it could be closed as This question does not appear to seek input and discussion from the community. since it specifically asks for a moderator, but on the other hand it's answerable.

Derpy

@Stijn precisely. I always assumed that the "rule" was to avoid asking for mod help on meta but to instead use the contact us link.

rene

You can't know beforehand if the issue you have requires mods or CM's or devs?

Derpy

> I want to remove a few chat messages which may cause some problem to me later. If a mod contacts me, then I would inform them the chat messages

seems pretty clear that a dev was needed.

> This is not my main account. Mods can verify it.

rene

11:43 AM

@Derpy mods can delete chat messages

Derpy

hard deletion without trace? Also, can they verify "account ownership"? That is, avoiding the issue about "if you want a message to be removed, flag the message or at least ask on the site specific meta, not on the network wide one"

But anyway, thanks. You actually provided the counter argument I was needing.

Probably what you posted was the reason the flag was declined.

Oh, well, nothing too serious to worry about. If the community wants to keep it open, keep it open.

rene

So I can conclude I made sense?

Derpy

@rene To be honest, it doesn't really make sense to me. But I can accept it made sense to whoever rejected the flag.

rene

A lot of things don't make sense to me. That is normal.

user202362

12:31 PM

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Q: Is it possible to cook meat using starlight and multiple magnifying instruments

So you can burn a piece of paper with magnifying glass and sunlight. Light from stars are similar to that emitted by the sun, just much, much weaker. Theoretically, is it possible to cook a thinly sliced piece of meat using powerful magnifying instruments such as gigantic converging lens or d...

energy sun stars

user202362

tola ya

user202362

Derpy

please, someone tell milo that the sun is a star

Stijn

Santa just came by our offices bringing munchies, courtesy of the cleaning company :D

user202362

cleaning company brings you munchies, sounds charming

Derpy

12:39 PM

There is a British stands selling cupcakes at the local Christmas market. The box has a sticker with a purple six pointed star on the side. I can live with those for now.

user202362

Bart

12:51 PM

@Telkitty hahaha, awesome

rene

1:52 PM

Sometimes I wonder how much productivity is lost due to all these security measures meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/340068/…

It is a booming business but by the looks of it, a rather dumb business ...

Stijn

@rene during my last project I've developed a deep hatred for application firewalls. So many bugs and lost time and discussions because the stupid thing liked to modify HTTP headers and other things

rene

Yeah, I can figure that.

Bart

Ooh, got the bluefeet hat @rene? You know how?

rene

2:14 PM

@Bart no, not really. I assumed @bluefeet felt sorry for me and awarded it ...

Bart

Ah, I see how it is ... no chance for me then

rene

Beside some reviewing I only did three edits and left three comments. And I delete voted some stuff.

Don't see how that contributes positively to the site.

at least not that much that it warrants a hat

Maybe it counts events done over a longer period?

bluefeet

@rene no pity hats

rene

2:57 PM

@Bart your answer ^

Stijn

next year we should have a Bart hat

2

glasses for everyone!

rene

I can see clearly now ...

Bart

@Stijn I'd rather see a Cody Gray hat

rene

Call it the grumpy glasses hat and we are all good ...

Bart

:D

Derpy

3:13 PM

@rene ...right from the start / you were my little ponies...... I used to wonder what friendship could beeeeeeee...............

bluefeet

@rene but it's raining still

rene

Yeah, can't fix that ... sorry ... but enjoy that song in your head for the rest of the day ;)

bluefeet

I hate you right now :P

rene

you're welcome, my pleasure ;)

bluefeet

worst holiday gift....EVER!

Derpy

3:29 PM

@bluefeet could be worse. It could have been a link to Friday. Ask to the folks at The Bridge.

PythonMaster

3:58 PM

Nick Craver just reached 100k rep!

But honestly, I don't understand why I would be looking into people's profiles to check for rep milestones?

xkcdBot

5:00 PM

Today's xkcd comic (Reindeer):

And then in a twinkling, a sound gave me pause / From the roof came the scratching of eight tarsal claws.

user315433

6:18 PM

> Stack Overflow Gives Back 2016

user315433

Thanks, but I don't think many of us want to get 2016 back...

Jon Ericson

@zaq Think of all the things you'd do differently next time around.

Bet on the Cubs to win the World Series for one.

user315433

I'd never do that... (Cardinals fan)

Jon Ericson

In that case, bet the Cardinals would miss the playoffs. That might have had ~~better~~ longer odds to boot.

user315433

Eh, at this point money doesn't make me happier. The summer spent in Russia was nice, so at least that part I wouldn't mind getting back.

Jon Ericson

6:32 PM

In other news, I lucked into the hat combination I was hoping for.

user315433

Hats do make people happier, it seems.

user315433

6:53 PM

A MathOverflow user became hat-aware: How to wear my Winter bash hat by Tintin on meta.mathoverflow.net

user315433

Will a revolution come, sweeping away the hat-hating moderators and installing a new pro-hat regime?

hichris123

7:13 PM

@zaq Hmm... answer #1 seems accepting of a change.

user315433

Gerhard "clever remark" Paseman, yyyy.mm.dd has always been an oddball there, so that doesn't mean much.

user315433

Theoretical Computer Science is about as high-brow as MO, but they don't have a problem with hats. I recall Gil Kalaj (a prominent user of both sites) advocating for hats, but it was a while back.

user315433

When did Stack Overflow en español graduate? They don't have a beta label (compare スタック・オーバーフロー). But I don't remember seeing an announcement, and there have been no mod elections.

user315433

Juan M just keeps appointing mods, he appointed 3 so far.

user315433

7:29 PM

The API says it's still in public beta

user315433

So, not API-graduated, no mod election, but have lost beta label and gained community ads. Weird.

Jason C

7:55 PM

I'm pinning @Zaid's post for a while. If any of you guys have an OBD scanner it'd be great to submit some data, or spread the word to your friends.

Shog9

gonna try & get to it this weekend

user315433

MathOverflow has been on SE 2.0 platform for 48% of its lifespan (on March 22, 2017 this will become 50%). OTOH out of its 3983 users with 200+ rep, only 848 were created post-migration, that's 21%.

user315433

But this may not be very different from other sites... first half of life has more new things happening than the second half.

user315433

8:11 PM

October 12, 2012 was when SO was half its current age. Out of 328491 current 200+ rep users, 107294 were created past the midpoint. About 33%.

user315433

What Meta was talking about on 2012 Oct 12: The vote fraud script breaks legitimate polling questions - A serial downvoter's lament, Regarding the high number of rejected migrations from Stack Overflow to Server Fault, and Could we implement a better search?

PythonMaster

What did I miss here?

Zaid

@JasonC thanks

user315433

@PythonMaster A thrilling series of monologues by zaq, mostly.

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Jason C

Yeah I was so close to the edge of my seat I fell off.

PythonMaster

8:16 PM

For a dragon, you must be quite small @JasonC

Jason C

IT'S A GODDAMN GIRAFFE.

PythonMaster

So tall, you lost your center of balance and fell

Jason C

^ You see that, @Zaid, I'm a prime candidate for a roll-over warning label.

I told you it was an interesting topic.

PythonMaster

???

Jason C

Inside joke. Sort of. More like, lame reference.

Zaid

8:18 PM

@JasonC I'm quite surprised by the positive uptake tbh

Jason C

Just... move along.

@Zaid You mean on the survey?

Zaid

Yes

I already have 31 entries

In like 2 days

Jason C

Why? It's great. It's good original research. A fine example of why we're cooler than a forum.

PythonMaster

???

Jason C

With a featured tag on meta to give it a good community feel, too.

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Q: The Great MAF Experiment

Keep on reading if you have access to an OBD-II reader and a fuel-injected vehicle As mentioned in this meta post, I'm on a mission to collect data for mass air flow values at idle. With sufficient data, it should be possible to post an informed, objective response to the volumetric efficiency...

discussion featured crowd-sourcing

PythonMaster

8:21 PM

Oh that

Jason C

@PythonMaster The roll-over label was in reference to mechanics.stackexchange.com/questions/40167, just funny timing.

Zaid

@JasonC the guys over on Cross Validated ought to be interested as well. I'll try to engage their interest with a few good questions

Jason C

They can certainly help you process useful info out of the results if you run into issues there.

user315433

9:19 PM

> WANTED: cat herder. Must be able to tolerate being constantly bitten by cats, and also by me. -- Shog9 at 9:58 AM - 23 Dec 2016

user315433

Sounds like an ad for CM position, but there isn't one posted.

user315433

Also, Shog finally stopped hiding behind a pseudonym on Twitter, switching to the real name.

user315433

9:31 PM

!!/report parenting.stackexchange.com/a/28285 parenting.stackexchange.com/a/28283

user315433

> what I'm doing is to create a measure object in the universe, and with this I can use it in the cell.

user315433

From the diary of an imprisoned philosopher. stackoverflow.com/a/41307857

user315433

9:49 PM

For those who enjoy Google-translated pages: To return to ru.SO or not?, a question posed by a former mod (who got demodded and suspended a year ago). The responses so far appear to be in favor.

user315433

I sometimes wonder if I should return to math.SE, but probably won't be asking this on meta. :)

rene

is this a joke @zaq : meta.ru.stackoverflow.com/questions/4280/…

because in the Dutch translation it turns into something funny

user315433

Not a joke. Translates to "No, I'm not going to run for a mod; I understood this isn't for me".

user315433

But it begins with an idiom that is not machine-translate friendly.

rene

10:08 PM

yeah, it said something about a walker (for elderly people) that highly confused me.

Jason C

@rene Oh I interpreted it as in a "dog walker", lol.

Equally confusing.

rene

:D

user315433

walker as a person who walks.

user315433

But it's preceded by "не", indicating he's not going to walk there.

user315433

Which in context, means not running for a mod.

rene

10:18 PM

That makes sense

bjb568

10:29 PM

admissions.caltech.edu/lgbtq

I really wonder how this has anything to do with community or college applications.

user315433

> The higher the pixel count, the clearer the picture, and the better our grasp on whether Caltech will be the optimal college fit for you.

user315433

It's all about those megapixels.

bjb568

The more idenentity-related adjectives, the more pixels!

Jason C

@bjb568 The whiners with no real confidence of their own demand proper definitions, otherwise they'll feel insecure about their sexuality.

bjb568

@JasonC Hey, don't say that, next they'll have to add another term for people who only feel confident about their sexuality in the presense of a list of definitions.

Jason C

10:31 PM

And it's all your fault, because you accidentally called a she a he out of legitimate confusion. Good job. Way to make a girl cry.

bjb568

Everyone's a they and a he.

Jason C

Everyone's an idiot.

bjb568

That too.

user315433

They might find the information helpful when it comes to roommate assignments.

bjb568