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12:15 AM
Ugh
A day full of spec changes and self appointed project managers. What a day.
 
12:35 AM
@Moshe where do you work? I thought you were a Uni student
 
I see no Moshe here
Plus I worked when I was in college :-p
 
Well he came and complained and left
 
@Fosco I owe you an emeil. Please accept my apologies
 
I worked full time too, but he seems to spend a lot of time on personal projects and talking about uni
 
I have been quite busy recently :-)
Hey I just realized the U&L and Ask Different elections ended
Congrats @MichaelMrozek!
 
12:41 AM
@TheOutOfStarsException !!
:) no worries
My rep on PSE is 1,469... why yes, yes I am...
afk.
 
 
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2:11 AM
@RebeccaChernoff OY
Just had to say that for no apparent reason before I leave for the night ;-)
 
@TheOutOfStarsException OY
 
OY VEI!
OY FREAKING VEY @mootinator!!!
Ok dinnertime, later guys
 
Later.
 
2:45 AM
so anyone have any strong feelings about github vs. bitbucket?
 
git vs hg?
Not in particular here.
 
i'm open to others but don't know of any
 
I would advise you to use mercurial because I use mercurial and it's obviously much better than git
however, git users would tell you to use git because they use git and it's obviously much better than mercurial
I will ask you what OS you generally tend to run
 
You should definitely drop that and use VSS.
 
I compromised by using Mercurial with GitHub via hg-git.
 
2:49 AM
I should smack you for not telling him to use RCS
 
CVS FTW
 
But I'm special like that.
 
Does Sourceforge still have CVS?
If so... (:P)
 
sigh
I hate CVS
 
lol
 
2:50 AM
if you're not using RCS you're doing it wrong. It's GNU!
 
i'm familiar with SVN
 
Most people do (hate cvs).
 
but mostly I want to put some old code somewhere
for safe-keeping
seems bitbucket lets you have private projects
that's kind of interesting
 
all SCM let you have private projects.
 
2:50 AM
svn is like cvs with slightly less stupid.
 
But the point to hg or git is to make them public
 
indeed
 
svn is like stupid with slightly less cvs
 
I should put a license on these
 
oh no you di'nt snaps a z
 
2:51 AM
so anyway, any major differences in the experience on these?
 
Do you use windows or linux?
that's a serious question btw
 
windows
 
then hg will be slightly (marginally) easier
like the difference between drawing a p and a q
 
fair enough
so what i'm gathering is the websites are equivalent
 
the websites, yes
 
2:52 AM
but it's a git/hg decision
 
the actual SCM tool, not so much
the process each uses, yes
 
> I would advise you to use mercurial because I use mercurial
 
the steps taken, not so much
@RebeccaChernoff indeed ;)
 
Also, Joel endorses Hg
 
2:53 AM
installing mercurial now
 
I'm pretty sure that says "If you ever need help with mercurial, @drachenstern IS HERE FOR YOU
 
just signed up with bitbucket
 
@RebeccaChernoff can you make it any louder? CHINA didn't hear you
 
2:54 AM
It isn't pinned yet.
 
Besides, everyone knows I only endorse RCS
 
so if i want to BSD license this sucker, do I need to mark each file individually?
 
idk, what does BSD say?
 
if I knew I wouldn't have asked ;)
 
If you'd asked, you would have known.
 
2:55 AM
@drachenstern Plz take my codez and sell them to other people for moneys.
 
@MarkElliot I believe so
 
ah, fair enough
suggested licenses?
 
I was reading wikipedia and fixing my grandmothers computer, tyvm
 
I'm open to things that are convenient
 
I'm multitalented like that
 
2:56 AM
and don't require 30 lines at the top of all my files
 
my suggested is cc-by-sa 3.0
creativecommons.org <-- click this
creativecommons.org/choose <-- better make it this one to save one step
Do you want to Allow commercial uses of your work?
Do you want to Allow modifications of your work?
 
oh this seems easy
I just want attribution
so that's simple
Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported License
 
Aha.
 
apparently you just add this to your code:
> This work is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported License. To view a copy of this license, visit creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0 or send a letter to Creative Commons, 171 Second Street, Suite 300, San Francisco, California, 94105, USA.
unless I'm misreading that, is that it?
 
@MarkElliot That's it.
Plus you need to specify how it should be attributed somewhere.
 
3:03 AM
do I need to add a copyright?
 
No
that page generates the code for you
 
er, so I'm talking about code not html
 
yeah, use the snippet above the HTML
 
oh
i'm blind, nvm
 
nothing by nothing is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported License.
Based on a work at nothing.
Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available at nothing
 
3:06 AM
bat-zinga
 
/**
 * Backtrack SAT by Mark Elliot is licensed under the
 * Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported License.
 * To view a copy of this license, visit creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0
 * or send a letter to:
 *  Creative Commons, 171 Second Street, Suite 300, San Francisco, California, 94105, USA.
 */
no code blocks here eh?
so that should do it?
 
 :)....
 
top of every file I assume?
 
I don't like it. Not enough all caps.
 
lol
 
3:09 AM
BSD has the advantage of THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED AS IS AND WITHOUT ANY EXPRESS OR
IMPLIED WARRANTIES... and so on.
 
@mootinator It needs to scream NO WARRANTY so you know it means business. But not the business of being liable-ly supported for a particular purpose.
 
THIS SOFTWARE IS WARRANTED TO BE ENTIRELY UNSUITABLE FOR YOUR PURPOSES. GOOD LUCK MODIFYING AND REDISTRIBUTING IT. HONESTLY THOUGH, YOU'D BE BETTER OFF STARTING FROM SCRATCH.
 
doesn't CC get you that too?
 
@MarkElliot Not in every file.
 
lol
but it does grant no warranty, right?
 
3:14 AM
@MarkElliot Yes.
I'll even refrain from posting it here.
Even though it's one juicy pile of all caps.
LAWYERS GO TO SCHOOL FOR 6-8 YEARS SO THEY KNOW WHICH STUFF NEEDS TO BE PUT IN ALL CAPS.
6
 
yep
great
done.
yay C# code from 4 years ago
er, 5 years
well, thanks guys
now if only I could recover my python PoS tagger
 
3:43 AM
0
Q: checking for invalid javascript function parameters

Timothy RuhleHowdy All, If i need to check a parameter i do this. if ((typeof param == 'undefined') || (param == null)){ param = ''; //or param = false; } And if it's meant to be a number i might throw in a isNaN check too. I was just wondering if there were any other things i should check for or what...

talk about pandora's box. When this guys eyes finally get opened ... zow
 
shakes a fist at the sorry state of window management on Linux
@drachenstern A victim of W3Schools?
 
something like that, yes
 
4:01 AM
did Moshe change his name? or just hasn't been on so auto-complete won't work?
 
Moshe is in my cache.
So, probably hasn't been on.
 
@Moshe I don't see the days remaining anywhere?
 
He's not in my cache either, interesting
@Fosco did you click the button top right?
for dinner: hot dogs and hormel chili, sandwhiches and soup, or complicated leftovers?
I think soup...
 
Wanna know what you should do with the canned chili?
 
Yatta! I got her attention! :D
Hey is there a chat-cast tomorrow?
 
4:05 AM
@drachenstern I guess that would do it... but with all this real estate, it should be put somewhere obvious... it's obvious on the iphone.
 
I imagine you would frown on most of my dishes @RebeccaChernoff
@Fosco oh snap, you have ze coveted iPad?
 
Yeah.. probably getting the ipad2, too ;)
 
In that case I'll omit some of my other interrogatives about the game play for you ;)
I will get an iPad2 just not in March
So r u aware he has a bugtraq up on github as well?
 
Nope..
 
sorry for the txtspk am trying to beat my bloodsugar falling
 
4:08 AM
Just giving my 2 cents is all
haven't found any real bugs, just minor annoyances.
 
Oh I found some major bugs
he was using signed 32 bit math for all scores
I overflowed the buffer with some rather large numbers.
I also caused his program to run out of allocated stack somehow
@rchern @TimStone @yi I found a bug.
[/star 556794 ] <--note the inclusion of a space
trim before split
probably the same bug as [/me something ]
 
top - 22:12:52 up  1:34,  1 user,  load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.09
Tasks: 388 total,   1 running, 387 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
Cpu0  :  0.0%us,  0.0%sy,  0.0%ni,100.0%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
Cpu1  :  0.0%us,  0.0%sy,  0.0%ni,100.0%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
Cpu2  :  0.0%us,  0.0%sy,  0.0%ni,100.0%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
Cpu3  :  0.0%us,  0.0%sy,  0.0%ni,100.0%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
Cpu4  :  0.0%us,  0.0%sy,  0.0%ni,100.0%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st
 
Eeeeeeeeugh.
 
I LOVE IIIIITTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!
 
nice )
 
4:15 AM
omg, the loads!
 
@TheOutOfStarsException that's such a waste!
 
@Zypher just think, it's only gonna run VMs and PHP
 
mmmmm
ok maybe you need more cpu :-D
 
> Stack Overflow is currently offline for maintenance
what is this bullshite?
I have reps to earn!
 
@drachenstern whatcha talkin about?
 
4:18 AM
Josh skype me?
@Zypher I am tellin you what I got
I hate lags
or did someone just do a build?
 
waves hand there was no maitenence message
 
the hell there weren't, you want a screenshot?
 
you really took a screenshot?
 
@Zypher just got it, about to install ESXi
 
4:19 AM
no, should I?
 
no
 
@drachenstern one sec, cleaning up from dinner
 
making dinner. no problemo
@Zypher I started to tho, does that count?
 
@TheOutOfStarsException quad octo-core?
@drachenstern lol, sure lets say it counts :)
 
Yatta!
 
4:23 AM
i just had to have some one on one time with the DB it's all good
 
did you two come to an understanding then?
 
is going to log off for the night before he gives in to the urge to whine.
 
so my SA told me today that somebody has caused the backups on our dev machine to jump to about 1.6TB this week
Night Kev
 
@drachenstern possibly ... we'll see tomorrow
how the hell do you generate that much data
 
anybody think that red wine and soup and sandwhiches is a bad combo right before bed? Me too. I'll test that theory for you.
@Zypher hell if I know
 
4:25 AM
It took that much space just to store @drachenstern's Nippon: Game of the Year Edition score.
 
most likely
I've been trying
I hope to one day have a 10b score
 
@drachenstern - I am in a Jewish school. I am starting Uni in September. I work for the school sometimes.
 
You're just now responding to that?
 
By the way, it worked. Someone said Nippon and I hath been summoned.
 
4:27 AM
Oh hey, look who I somehow summoned.
 
How does one say sleep in Jewish (ok, Hebrew)?
We've said Nippon in here before already no?
well we certainly discussed Nippon already
 
It has to be game of the year edition.
 
When will you realize?
There is no game of the year.
 
Or it could be like Candyman.
 
It is only when you realize this that your game becomes the game of the year
 
4:28 AM
Maybe we had only discussed it only four times to that point.
Or Beetlejuice.
Three times.
 
לישון (leeshone) to sleep (v)
 
Probably three times.
Now how do you say get the hell out of here and goto bed?
 
Er why?
 
Guess
 
Say @Moshe ten times backward.
 
4:30 AM
ehsoM@ ehsoM@ ehsoM@ ehsoM@ ehsoM@ ehsoM@ ehsoM@ ehsoM@ ehsoM@ ehsoM@
3
 
passes out
 
What? I just checked on my SO supermulticollider and I found a message which I popped in to repy to. M'kay?
 
Why the hostility?
 
ah, you mistake my use of superlative exclamations for hostility
 
4:32 AM
Indeed.
 
I'm not hostile.
But you're young. You need sleep more than you realize. I know this because I was young. I have paid.
I'm sure you will too
So did you ever push that update to iTunes/TestFlight?
 
@Zypher there is a new beta. Also, @Rebecca I want a tee shirt with some stack that is overflowing. Preferably with some high score data in said stack for kicks.
 
Did you see the response from @Fosco asking for a better iPad placement on the days remaining?
 
@drach no.
No.
Did not.
And did not.
 
K, now you have
I told him you have a github
 
4:34 AM
And he said?
 
@Moshe yep saw that ... hopefully will be able to get it installed tomorrow ... been crazy making the sites run MORE AWESOME
(or breaking shit ... depends on your point of view)
 
Nada
 
I'm gonna go with the latter personally...
 
wait for him to duck ;)
 
jump
 
4:35 AM
LOL
 
damnit I spoke too soon
 
How high?
 
what goes up...must come down (;
 
yes, but when i'm down i'll still be tall :)
 
finished instant noodle soup and considers bed
@drach btw, I googled something today. You should be proud of me.
 
4:37 AM
Yay ramen!
@Moshe Yatta!
Now tell me what you learned very briefly (since you seem to be in iOS)
 
I resisted the urge to ask about UPDATE SQL and wrote some neat functionality
 
@Zypher hrmph.
 
Oh dear ... have you seen codereview.stackexchange.com ?
:p
 
@drachenstern once or twice (;
 
So what did the UPDATE do? Let the users of the website update their own records before the raffle?
 
4:39 AM
@drachenstern Apparently I have 166 rep there.
 
I learned that google works and that w3 schools has an odd perspective that strangely works. My admin panel can mark donors as "billed" now. Doing so now sends a notification email and clears sensitive data. \0/
 
@RebeccaChernoff yes. What's up with how often you people log into every site?
@Moshe Yatta!
w3schools has an odd rap. They generally tend to be good practices, but occasionally they make you go huh
 
@drachenstern Yeah, I really need to stop that.
 
So I've seen here.
 
@RebeccaChernoff all three of you do it!
Either that or @wood has some Qs about dbs
 
4:41 AM
They log into sites to close @mootinator related posts.
 
@Rebecca do I qualify for a t shirt yet? I want an excuse to visit 55 Bway. I'm in town this weekend.
 
I have evidence. Somewhere.
 
Yeah, and there's a room for discussing just that.
Everyone is invited into it but Kevin
 
I knew that's what the hallway was for.
 
@drachenstern all 3?
 
4:42 AM
Even though I can read it...er.
 
@RebeccaChernoff both RCs
 
...=2...
 
atwood logs in nearly every other day
 
who ls logging into what site, we can stop them !
 
I don't think you can stop this one George
 
4:43 AM
bah ... just a littel -A 0.0.0.0/0 -j DROP
 
I like how Spolsky appears out of nowhere, makes a broad decree or two, then disappears.
 
@Fosco - have you had issues with rotation or initial orientation?
 
Way more mystique than logging in every day.
 
@mootinator where or when did that occur? I'm curious
 
I've noticed some oddness. Looking for confirmation.
 
4:44 AM
@Moshe, didn't I send you an email? Hrm
 
@drachenstern Hmm, now I have to look.
 
@Rebecca Dunno. When should I have gotten it? I get email on my phone but not if gmail decides it's spam.
 
I am not spam! ):
3
 
Correct! I have never had your emails misdelivered in gmail!
 
@drachenstern writers.stackexchange.com/users/71/joel-spolsky?tab=activity I'm sure I saw a better example somewhere.
 
4:46 AM
And between my iDevices over the past several years something may be misconfigured. Also, gmail forwarding hides my email sometimes.
Where would you have sent it to? My account email or the ones I posted here?
 
@drachenstern fitness.stackexchange.com/users/47/joel-spolsky?tab=activity maybe? That's only one date though.
 
the email on your account
 
So far you're just reinforcing the concept of SE2.0
But I see what you mean
 
Hrm. Checking.
 
With the mystique thing, yes :)
Anyhow, time to take out ze dog and leave for reals.
 
4:52 AM
@Rebecca is there any unique text to search for?
 
Night Kev
I did that one already, and about to leave as soon as I hear back from josh
 
Can't seem to find it.
 
@TheOutOfStarsException ...
 
Well @Rebbeca, good news: you're not spam. Bad news, you're not inbox either.
 
> Holy shitballs!!! the responses on here ridiculously fast Thank you so much. – Muad'Dib Aug 14 '10 at 0:26
 
4:58 AM
Hrm, I don't see it either. o:
 
0
A: MVC building email body

SohanYou can consider using MvcMailer NuGet - it will greatly simplify your life. See the NuGet package at http://nuget.org/Packages/Search?packageType=Packages&searchCategory=All+Categories&searchTerm=mvcmailer and the project documentation at https://github.com/smsohan/MvcMailer/wiki/MvcMail...

is this spammy?
 
@Rebecca ok. When you can please do.
 
Can I buy a shirt?
Where's the company store?
 
Hehe.
Gnite.
 
0
Q: How to deploy ASP.NET Web App into the world wide web (Internet)?

SammmHi guys, I have a ASP.Net Web App that is ready for deployment. At the moment I have used the IIS (Internet Information Services) to deploy the whole app and so far it is pretty good despite some errors like CSS is not running and an error in connecting to the database (.mdf file). However, my q...

is this crap or should it be migrated indeed? I vote for crap
I personally think it can be solved by reading any book on the topic.
 
5:04 AM
@drachenstern i'll email you the address ... just make the check payable to "George Beech" please :)
 
lmao
 
now please
why would the System Administrator handle that?
 
I thought I made it out to Career Advancing Shirt Helpers or C.A.S.H. for short
 
clearly this falls under Community Management!
 
@RebeccaChernoff because he works in the office and you work from home? Surely the shirts are at the office?
 
5:05 AM
Seriously good night. @Rebecca Email at your convenience.
 
yea, my band is wise the the whole C.A.S.H. thing
but if you want to make it out to Cash that's fine too
 
closes safari mobile
 
We at SOIS do not let such minor details get in our way.
 
err i mean the company bank ... yes
 
5:06 AM
yeah, most banks are too
I was told to write checks out to myself in the future
That's what I get for watching the TV instead of the room I was pasting in
What's the quote about when you think you found an error in a compiler you probably didn't?
ok, I feel the need to crash out. Here's to hoping I do reasonably soon.
 
5:22 AM
@drachenstern bah, sorry, totally went and forgot -p
 
@Dexter server time:

[gbeech@ny-web11 ~]$ date
Wed Mar  9 05:26:31 UTC 2011
 
You have yours set to UTC?
 
everything in the DC is set to UTC makes life easier
 
Washington, DC?
 
5:28 AM
no ... Stack Overflow Data Center
 
Ah...
I'm surprised your servers don't have cooler names then ny-web11. serverfault.com/questions/45734/the-coolest-server-names
 
well .. that's cus i like to know without cross referencing 20 spreadsheets, where and what my server is doing
i die a little inside every time i see someone with "cool" server names in their production network
 
Free stickers!
I already got 1 unicorn bill, but I will gladly take another.
 
@Moshe I keep my orientation locked in portrait mode.. no issues to report.
@Moshe I'd like to be able to sell and Then buy a bigger cart.... status-declined?
 
SOIS is dead, long live SOIS
3
 
5:40 AM
that's right IMMORTAL ... IMMORTAL I TELL YOU
 
@badp, what did you end up doing about google profile in the end?
I've managed to get myself in a situation where Area51 is profile.google.com, and all the others are google.com/profile.
 
I've heard that you can login with the Gmail/Google big button and it'll still work, but haven't done that myself.
 
@RebeccaChernoff, last night, I couldn't get profile. to work, this morning I can, but that means I now have two 'set's of accounts, so when I just signed up to motor vehicle, it only associated with area51, and not the n other sites. I was wondering whether team@ can do a find/replace, but I'm guessing the cookies won't follow...
 
I had this nightmare last night that someone photoshopped @RebeccaChernoff's head onto Jeff Atwood.. only to arrive at my computer and behold the horror of the last 12 hours
 
@Benjol link me to an account that isn't MSO/SO/A51/MV?
@TimPost o:
 

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