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Jon Ericson
Jon Ericson
12:03 AM
@zaq I'm sure it's a trip.
 
user315433
12:18 AM
Jelly has a bunch of programming questions/answers... askjelly.com/explore/517
 
user315433
The most recent one answered with "... Another option is to post your question on Stack Overflow — they should help you sort it out quickly!"
 
Jon Ericson
Jon Ericson
@zaq "Be sure to include an image of your code!" (I assume.)
 
user315433
 
user315433
Jelly business model. from thenextweb.com/opinion/2016/04/28/…
 
bjb568
bjb568
The two processes look the same.
Oh, I read the article. It's worse than I thot.
 
user315433
12:36 AM
 
user315433
^ Mobile traffic to stackexchange.com jumped ahead of desktop for the first time recently.
 
user315433
(Pokemon Go, of course)
 
user315433
Quantcast used to have "compare sites" features... don't see it anymore.
 
iRove
iRove
I've always wondered why the Programming Puzzles & Code Golf Stack Exchange did not get a more "custom design" like most of the other "graduated" sites I see. I mean, it doesn't have the word beta below the name, and I thought one of the perks of "site graduation" was getting a custom design...?
 
user315433
Yes, eventually. In 6-8 weeks.
 
bjb568
bjb568
12:51 AM
 
iRove
iRove
hmm...
 
Quill
Quill
@iRove design independant graduation
 
iRove
iRove
yes, probably 6-8 weeks, I guess...I thought Jin did most of the designs, but I could be mistaken
 
Quill
Quill
the design is coming, but the perks of graduation (besides design required) are still there
 
iRove
iRove
Ah, how long ago did it "graduate"?
it appears to be 5 months ago
 
Quill
Quill
12:54 AM
there's a few other sites in the queue like Law, Anime & Manga and Philosophy
 
iRove
iRove
@Quill So all they need is time :-). Ok, thank you for clarifying that.
 
Quill
Quill
yeah
 
Jon Ericson
Jon Ericson
92
Q: Design-Independent Graduation is on for early September!

AnaThis is a follow-up to an earlier discussion Feedback Requested: Design-Independent Graduation. Like the title says, design-independent graduation will go into effect and become our new regular practice the second week of September! All sites which have been waiting in the backlog to graduate w...

discussion election beta-sites graduating-sites
 
user202362
modern vs fad
 
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: Cold War Alien Invasion Cover-Up by Aziri on worldbuilding.stackexchange.com
 
user202362
1:08 AM
 
tchrist
tchrist
2:04 AM
Merci.
 
user202362
free ride!
 
user202362
disguise as a cam & get fox to carry you around
 
tchrist
tchrist
YANETUT
 
user202362
2:16 AM
anyone equate alone to lonely probably has never done anything great by him/herself
 
user202362
4:31 AM
what to do, my chickens are full of mites/ticks/lice, bath with shampoo/wood ash/diatomaceous earth only works 2-3 days, then vermin will be back on to the chickens
 
user202362
I love my chickens too much for them to become roasted chickens :'(
 
qwer
qwer
5:01 AM
@Telkitty you finally roasted them?
 
user202362
no, but I am buying a sandpit for the chicken to sand bath in
 
qwer
qwer
probably that'd be a good question on Pets
 
 
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rene
rene
7:32 AM
I'm tempted to suggest skeptics.se ...
 
DEAD
DEAD
Wow, this was really enlightening. What am I doing with my life? — DEAD 7 secs ago
 
rene
rene
Shouldn't that be What have I done with my life as you're DEAD
 
user202362
You might be alive for 110 years, but you will be dead for a long long time. If time is infinite, then an hour becomes irrelevant
 
qwer
qwer
9:34 AM
Panhandler... not what I've previously imagined.
 
 
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rene
rene
12:41 PM
I need some close votes and then delete votes on an Ajex question
I guess they spelled it Ajex instead of Ajax because they are Feyenoord fans ....
 
 
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user315433
1:58 PM
> I do have to tip my hat to @jquery for their upgrade strategy. Going from ancient 1.7 to 3 isn't painless, but the migrate plugin is AWESOME -- Michael Stum at 9:57 PM - 19 Aug 2016
 
user315433
Is this about SO? Currently using 1.7.1
 
user202362
why do you want to know every technical details about SO, do you have some devilish, shameless plan that you have not shared with us yet?
 
hichris123
hichris123
3:09 PM
@rene It might just be me, but stackoverflow.com/questions/5271182/… doesn't seem like a tool rec to me?
→ 32 messages moved to Sandbox
 
Bart
Bart
@hichris123 nor to me
@hichris123 could be the tutorial request that fits though.
 
hichris123
hichris123
Yeah, I guess. Unless there's a bunch of deleted answers though it doesn't seem like the Q&A quality is too poor.
 
Bart
Bart
2 of them
 
user315433
@Bart It doesn't ask for links to off-site tutorials. That an answer looks like a tutorial with steps is just what some answers look like.
 
Bart
Bart
3:25 PM
Myeah, voted to reopen already
Ah, it's reopened
 
user315433
Incidentally, I'm not seeing "Google has just released Android Studio, which is based off of IntelliJ:" as an answer to the above question, despite it having 20+ score... stackoverflow.com/a/16623861
 
user315433
"Don't do that, do X instead"
 
b_jonas
b_jonas
Yay, I'm a Booster!
 
Bart
Bart
3:45 PM
gg
 
user315433
> So we found lots of spider babbies...but they're beside a propane tank. The normal course of action is questionable. pic.twitter.com/PdJzJqcK05 -- Nick Craver at 8:05 AM - 20 Aug 2016
 
rene
rene
@hichris123 No, but I might have closed it for too broad. As I see that I have down voted some link only answers that might not have helped. Maybe I should have protected it instead but I'm not sure if those low quality new answers could have been prevented with protection. I'll rant on meta about it being re-opened by SE staff ;)
 
Bart
Bart
Yeah, that SE staff abusing their powers ....
 
rene
rene
4:14 PM
Is access a good tag?
 
Bart
Bart
Nope
 
rene
rene
@Bart Ok, Can this one be tagged with privileges instead: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/189260/…
Maybe we need a better tag for the Chat access control list
I considered for a moment if chat-access should be tag but for those 5 questions I don't think that will be worth it
@rene yes, it doesn't matter anymore ... I went ahead and just did it ...
 
Cerbrus
Cerbrus
4:53 PM
@hichris123. Yea?
 
hichris123
hichris123
@Cerbrus Hi! My point was really just that focusing on things that users actually see is probably more important than things that no one sees.
 
Cerbrus
Cerbrus
If you come across an account with a bad username, what harm is there in flagging it?
 
qwer
qwer
That reminds me of a certain user on Русский язык
 
hichris123
hichris123
There's no harm, but there's no real benefit either. It's like the old adage about a tree falling in the forest and nobody there to hear it. If a user falls in the forest with an offensive username and you're the only one to see it, did they really fall?
 
Cerbrus
Cerbrus
Even if the user has no activity, what if he decides to start posting again?
 
hichris123
hichris123
5:03 PM
Then Smokey will catch them much easier. :)
 
Cerbrus
Cerbrus
Then you at least have a administrative mark on the account. <-- No real benefit? I disagree.
 
hichris123
hichris123
Well, if the user posted offensive content in the past, that would've been flagged and that leaves a mark on the account.
If the user didn't post offensive content... well, maybe the username should be reset but it's still not a huge deal.
 
Cerbrus
Cerbrus
@hichris123 Users like that usually are either banned or have their name reset.
I'm not saying it's a big deal. I'm just saying there's absolutely no reason not to flag an account like that.
It takes close to no effort to flag it. Same for resetting the username / banning the account.
 
hichris123
hichris123
Ask the SO mods, I'm sure they'd disagree. :) Everything takes effort.
 
user315433
@qwer That user had an account on that site only, a Russian-language site. The degree to which something is offensive doesn't translate easily between languages.
 
Cerbrus
Cerbrus
5:06 PM
@hichris123 I'm not saying it takes no effort. Just that the effort is pretty darn insignificant.
Stop twisting my words.
That said, I'd love to hear a mod's opinion on this.
 
hichris123
hichris123
@Cerbrus Considering the SO mods have a thousand+ flags to deal with, adding another one onto that pile is somewhat of a big deal. Especially if it's of content that no one even sees.
 
Cerbrus
Cerbrus
I'd like to hear a mod say that.
Now it's just you "vs" me.
 
hichris123
hichris123
Well, you're hearing one now. :) Not an SO mod though if that's what you're looking for.
 
Cerbrus
Cerbrus
*sigh*
Earth Science beta doesn't exactly compare to SO.
 
hichris123
hichris123
Not quite. We're just a little smaller. :P
 
Cerbrus
Cerbrus
5:12 PM
~4k accounts compared to ~5.6m
 
rene
rene
@Cerbrus I'm with you ... if only to annoy @hichris123 a bit ...
 
Cerbrus
Cerbrus
So, yea, if a SO mod tells me I shouldn't flag accounts with offensive names, if they have no activity, sure...
But I find it hard to believe a SO mod would consider it "Not worth their effort".
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
@hichris123 Looks like there's a potential fix in for the slow tabs, 54.0.2834.0 (not seeing it live yet, only just got updated to 54.0.2832.2)
 
Cerbrus
Cerbrus
Oh, I thought your name looked familiar, @hichris123. You've commented on my smokey FR also. :P
 
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hichris123
hichris123
5:25 PM
@TimStone Hmm, yeah, I was just updated to 2832.2 as well but it seems faster. Maybe it just hasn't broken yet. :P
@Cerbrus Yeah, I'm a little bit of everywhere. :)
... I just got a spam email titled "{Spam?} Good News". How... nice.
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
6:12 PM
17
Q: Possibly offensive usernames

FlexoI flagged this user as having a possibly offensive name (another example): I said "possibly offensive" because it's possible it's a genuine surname I wasn't aware of, but googleing didn't show any evidence and urban dictionary pretty much matched my definition of it which seems offensive. Is...

discussion display-names offensive declined-flags
 
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Cerbrus
Cerbrus
@ShadowWizard That's old...
And not answered by mods.
 
Bart
Bart
What is the name we're talking about here?
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
@Cerbrus so? Most MSE questions are old by now... it doesn't mean they're not relevant.
 
bjb568
bjb568
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
6:16 PM
We can start a bounty or ping a CM here to draw attention to it though.
 
Cerbrus
Cerbrus
A bounty doesn't really add value. It'd just get some more users to answer it. A CM would help
 
Shadow Wizard
Shadow Wizard
@Cerbrus sometimes bounty cause them to notice it.
 
Cerbrus
Cerbrus
I just find it hard to believe that the official stance on reporting offensive names (on empty accounts) is said to be: "Don't, it's a waste of time"
@ShadowWizard Them and a load of users that are speculating on the official "rule".
 
Bart
Bart
Depends on how offensive. "Shitty McShitface" is probably not worth your time.
Especially on empty accounts
 
Cerbrus
Cerbrus
Once again, I'd like to hear that from someone that's actually in a moderator / manager position here.
 
Bart
Bart
6:20 PM
Right. I'll go back to my corner.
 
Cerbrus
Cerbrus
If you see an account like that, I really see no reason not to flag it.
 
user315433
Then flag it.
 
user315433
You can flag anything you find worth flagging.
 
Cerbrus
Cerbrus
@zaq Not really
Well, you can, but you shouldn't
 
user315433
If you think a mod should do something, you should use a flag to that end.
 
user315433
6:23 PM
If you're wrong, they'll tell you so.
 
user315433
The desired behavior is for folks to flag things that bug them, @Tim - with enough resistance to prevent consensus except in situations where something is widely believed to be offensive or abusive. — Shog9 ♦ Jun 15 '14 at 3:10
 
user315433
There you go, a CM's opinion.
 
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6:50 PM
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DEAD
DEAD
7:06 PM
Why does my shift key not work/
Argh
 
user315433
7:19 PM
> Community moderators are accorded the highest level of privilege on our community
 
user315433
Should the preposition be "in"?
 
DEAD
DEAD
@zaq Missing an appositive: '. . . , janitorial service'
 
Adam Lear
Adam Lear
@zaq yeah
 
user315433
I suppose it used to say "on our site" and then someone did search/replace
 
DEAD
DEAD
Makes sense.
Senses make.
 
user315433
7:21 PM
So the reason I stopped by ELU election room was to check if this bothered anyone else. Apparently not.
 
user315433
8
Q: It's been a year: What's the takeaway from design-independent graduation?

Vogel612's ShadowSo by now it has been a year since Design-Independent Graduation has been announced "new process" In the "Feedback Requested" and the announcement of implementation Q&A there's been a lot of feedback. Many users voted and overall there was some unrest. The currently top-voted answer on the annou...

discussion design beta-sites graduating-sites
 
user315433
It worked out okay. There is less angst and anxiety about (not) graduating.
 
user315433
U.S. colleges report 4-year and 6-year graduation rates. Hmm...
 
user315433
So far, the 6-year graduation rate is 100%. That will probably change in October, when Board & Card Games turns 6 years old.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@zaq ELU or ELL?
 
user315433
7:31 PM
ELU. Searched the room. It would be off-topic as a question, I know.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Why would it bother ELU folk? ELU went through normal graduation, long ago. ELL didn't.
 
user315433
I was referring to the line "Community moderators are accorded the highest level of privilege on our community" on the election page.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Well, that link didn't take me where I'd expected it would.
 
user315433
Just me posting random links and remarks in chat without much connection...
 
tchrist
tchrist
imagines patterns in chaos
 
DEAD
DEAD
7:40 PM
zaq is the most chaotic nonchaotic person in this chat.
 
user315433
There are 85 SE sites that are at least 4 years old. Of these, 54 have graduated. However, 6 of those waited more than 4 years to graduate. So, the 4-year graduation rate is 48/85, or 56.5%
 
DEAD
DEAD
What's the longest standing SE that was finally closed/
Arabic/
 
user315433
That's not a stellar 4-year graduation rate. Zaq University has > 68%
 
tchrist
tchrist
@zaq Not sure just what I think about that.
 
user315433
@DEAD No, Startups v1
 
DEAD
DEAD
7:45 PM
How many months/
 
user315433
@DEAD area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/6243/startup-business 1176 days, you convert to months
 
DEAD
DEAD
Oh, that's too much
 
tchrist
tchrist
Decade
 
DEAD
DEAD
Was that exceptional, or are there similar cases/
 
user315433
Exceptional. Other examples may be found in blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/04/when-a-site-grows-quiet but they weren't nearly as old.
 
user315433
7:50 PM
Of the six sites mentioned in that post, Astronomy v1 lived the longest, 338 days.
 
user315433
Which reminds me that the 4-year graduation rate is artificially inflated by excluding now-closed sites.
 
user315433
But it's a pain to dig up the stats on closed betas, so I won't.
 
user315433
in CoGro Musings, 21 hours ago, by Shog9
I guess I've had Community Manager as my title for about four and a half years now. I didn't know what it meant then, and I know only slightly more now. I was hired to write meta posts, and shortly thereafter a bunch of other stuff that I was no more qualified to do... But which lacked, at the time, anyone else able or willing to try.
 
user315433
^ for those who missed yesterday's g&t-inspired musings.
 
user315433
4.5 years is the timeframe of having the title, not being employed by SO (that would be 5.5 years)
 
user315433
8:32 PM
> I never understood bills “due upon receipt”. Wouldn’t that mean it’s by definition late when I try paying it after I just received it? -- Bart Silverstrim at 12:34 PM - 20 Aug 2016
 
user315433
> What happens if it’s due upon receipt and I never get the bill? I could save tons of money by switching to e-bills and adding a mail filter.
 
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10:08 PM
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bjb568
bjb568
10:58 PM
Wow, I didn't expect Android to suck this much.
 

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