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2:31 AM

I wonder what the overlap is between users who think SO has gained quality problems and users who close somewhat broad questions or questions with very slightly opinion based wording.

Also users who spend time closing questions. That probably has a large overlap with the quality problems set.

tchrist

You know, I misread you the first time through.

I read it in the sense of having gained quality questions.

Yeah, I did word that rather strangely.

3:24 AM

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Good luck...

qwer

The fun has just begun

user315433

This is how it begins. And possibly, ends with "what am I doing with my time, has my life really gone so wrong for me to be doing this daily".

2

How many reviews does it take to get to that point... answer: too many.

user315433

3:35 AM

Depends on the circumstances. In you are tied to a computer at work, with nothing better to do, why not keep doing it.

user315433

On another hand, if there's a Kindle nearby, and infinitely many books to choose from...

3:58 AM

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4:21 AM

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4:42 AM

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5:02 AM

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@zaq I noticed this the other day, but figured someone just found an extra-obnoxious string of characters that broke it. If it's broken across the board, that's an issue.

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user202362

walk, bear walk walk ...

6:15 AM

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6:37 AM

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7:12 AM

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user202362

I really don't get these people who complain about trolls: 'there are trolls on social media, they don't love me the way I want them to'. Pleeease, there are people who are madly obsessed with you, there are people who hate you, there are people who think you are sh!t and those who really care about you.

user202362

If you don't want to know about the truth, don't step into the real world

@Quill we are in the middle of a tag burnination. If you filter on godaddy and check if there are close votes needed, please sprinkle a few.

user202362

I just received an email from godaddy today about domain rego

user202362

coincidence, I think not

7:23 AM

:D

8:07 AM

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8:28 AM

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10:05 AM

nerdcore.de/2016/08/18/…

user202362

10:51 AM

I already got 2 cuts from trying to shuck these 2 dozen oysters

user202362

love to see how many more cuts I will get from shucking them all

@Telkitty love to have cuts? That's new...

user202362

I usually buy opened ones, but I saw some oyster shucking videos on youtube, seemed easy ... yeah right, easy for someone who have already shucked thousands of oysters ...

@zaq no repro for me here

11:07 AM

@rene sure

11:24 AM

@zaq Well, they never did on mobile.

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cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/39037572/…

> Expecting help..

heh stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/cost-management

That seems like a fine list of nuke-able content

chrome has decided to move all clickable things to be like half the screen further down

this is what you get for using a beta

Magisch

11:40 AM

@Telkitty Can I have the superset of all possible sets for that set?

11:53 AM

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12:10 PM

in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 42 secs ago, by Louis

I'd rename Docs to Ducks and hand out quacks instead of reputation.

quack quack

Magisch

Quill quill

Maybe even Quilt

_-_

12:37 PM

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dorukayhan

sd why

@dorukayhan [:5194352] Body - Position 3256-3262: viagra, Position 3505-3511: cialis

qwer

@SmokeDetector so-so spam protection

@bartkevelham I…you’re fired.

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on August 19, 2016 at 11:09 AM in reply to bartkevelham

\o/

12:55 PM

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user202362

I bought a oysters knife ... and ... IT WORKS!!!

Who could have guessed

user202362

tchrist

@Telkitty One seldom to never uses attributive nouns inflected in the plural. It has to be oyster knife.

This is your pilot speaking. If any of you feel scared because you are flying for the first time, don't worry, you are not alone. It's my first time as well! — gerrit Aug 16 at 10:11

user315433

1:25 PM

> We are starting to outgrow the Stack Overflow SQL Servers in terms of memory given our setup. They’re 4.5 years old. Speccing new ones now. -- Nick Craver at 4:29 AM - 19 Aug 2016

user315433

There will always be more code to be debugged by posting it...

Andy

The system uptime graph in his first image has a weird scale: 2 min, 17 min, 3 hours, 1 day, 2 week, 17 week

qwer

Soon: deleted posts are gone forever.

user315433

Apparently, the main problem was with comments, which - unlike posts - are rendered live when someone requests more than the default number of comments.

user315433

Deleted stuff quietly sits on SSD and is not queried for often.

user315433

1:35 PM

(They are running out of RAM, not SSD)

user315433

They should hire Andy and use his algorithm to trim down the comments by much more than 100/day.

What they really need is DevDoodle consultancy.

user315433

1:51 PM

DevDoodle recommendation: rebuild SO on Node.js and MongoDB. Also change the URL to stackovrflow.io

user202362

or consult telkitty, only 50 reps per 180 seconds ...

user202362

call now and receive 2 minutes free!

user202362

(conditions apply)

Andy

@zaq I approve of this message

user315433

@ShadowWizard shrug Could be transient, related to querying-for-comments issues that Nick tweeted about (quoted above)

user315433

1:57 PM

Right now non-ASCII autocomplete works for me.

user202362

@Magisch sure, if you order a crazy cat lady suite

user315433

2:26 PM

kenorb now has more than half of all questions asked on Artificial Intelligence site (120/237). His pro-tem mod nomination is at -3 meanwhile.

user315433

4:12 PM

Contributing to StackOverflow: How Not to be Intimidated.

user315433

Grr, no space.

Go intimidate her into correcting it

(note: don't)

user315433

> Go for the easy wins. Scan the new questions for anything that takes little time to answer. [...] answer some easy questions that can be answered by looking at the official documentation

user315433

How to be a FGITW

user315433

(To be fair, this is what I did on SO before fully realizing how pointless this activity is.)

4:22 PM

@zaq Once people stick around, they realize what we all realize.

And if they don't, they somehow become irrelevant.

user315433

This whole project belongs in a Dilbert story arc... someone should send Scott Adams a link to Documentation.

Q: Vector relative to different basis

-1

I have a direction vector (x/y/z) that I need to express relative to the normal vector of a surface, such that the direction vector is "local" to the normal vector. I've read that I need to create a basis using the normal vector (up/right/forward) and use the dot product to find each new vector ...

@zaq should that be migrated to math.SE?

user315433

@DEAD No. Sick of "Oops, I never thought I'd need linear algebra to code a game, pls tell me how to code rotation matrices and stuff"

4:41 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How can I trade Pokemon between my 3DS and my PC? by bobcater34 on gaming.stackexchange.com

in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 15 mins ago, by NathanOliver

@DEAD Okay. I am just going to VTC as it is a math problem. Thanks

TIL I work great as a USB port

@zaq FWIW, Joel suggested we just make up some meaningless word for it, since anything we call it is going to be misleading. Probably good advice, but "Trello" was already taken.

user315433

4:58 PM

Tiny Giant did propose Farbizzle as the name.

5:10 PM

Personally, I'm fond of @JeremyBanks' Null Reference

Of course, then we'd get 10000 improvement requests consisting of someone's code that they can't debug.

user315433

. @StackOverflow Jobs now with mobile-friendly design: http://stackoverflow.com/jobs - nice work by @DesiNavadeh, @ludwiczakpawel, @deanward81!

Tweeted by Max_Horstmann on August 19, 2016 at 5:13 PM

user315433

Looks pretty good (I haven't seen how it worked on mobile before)

5:53 PM

Me neither; I always run SO on full site

Hmm... Some jobs disable Apply in mobile theme

@zaq Who's DesiNavadeh?

Not checking on Twitter

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user315433

@DEAD One of the few, the proud, the PMs

Ject?

Duct.

user315433

Duct. There are no employees with "Ject Manager" title at SO.

6:00 PM

Oh.

user315433

Someone wears that hat when given it.

Anyone who fixes Docs will be a JM, I suppose?

user315433

@DEAD No, Docs is a product. They are looking for a duct manager.

Heh

Nice trap

user315433

> This is the largest expansion of Stack Overflow since the Q&A product first launched in 2008, and we’re looking for a Product Manager who is excited to be joining a product team that is just now bringing this product to market and growing it within the developer community.

user315433

6:06 PM

Count the number of times "product" appears in the sentence.

user315433

I thought one first grows a product and then brings it to market. Or was that produce?

Andy

Huh, that one isn't listed here. This page has 3 listed - Digital Ads, Careers, Internal Systems

@zaq Produces a grow?

@Lightness Are you on right now?

@πάνταῥεῖ Who you be pinging? LRiO isn't pingable AFAICT

user315433

6:26 PM

@Andy The list at stackoverflow.com/company/work-here#positions is longer. Not all job searches get dog fooded, apparently.

user315433

Sometimes it makes sense, for non-techy jobs. With PM-Docs, I don't see a reason to omit it.

@DEAD Hmm I see, I was about asking them something particular :(

user315433

@DEAD Yes, one tries to produce growth to make their produce grow.

@DEAD Do you know a good room to contact them (besides the c++ lounge) maybe?

Lounge<C++>

:P

Sorry, they don't meet here at all

6:53 PM

@DEAD I thought I've seen them earlier, are there other Taverns actually?

@πάνταῥεῖ No, there's only this room, and the only other prominent room (empty right now) is @Sha's Den.

There was an SO Tavern

Emphasis on "was"

user315433

@πάνταῥεῖ Besides the Lounge, there are two other rooms with C++ in the title where LRiO appeared recently: see chat.stackoverflow.com/users/560648/…

user315433

I can barely understand this strange language. I assume it is some outdated English dialect I'm not aware of. but it seems to suggest you have to install cheat software that will get your account banned. So yeah, don't do this (if you can understand it). — JonW 13 mins ago

7:06 PM

@zaq Yeah, I noticed that one created by @FirstStep recently. I appreciated and encouraged them to keep it.

@zaq It's the outdated dialect of txtspkians

@DEAD seems so

@DEAD prominent? I'm flattered! But empty is wrong word, more like... "inactive". ;)

@rene too much snacks led to sugar poisoning?

@ShadowWizard Right. The other empty room (inactive right now)

throwing emptiness on @Dea

7:17 PM

Eats emptiness

Explodes

YOU TRICKED ME

Vows revenge

user315433

@Escoce : it depends on the type of bread. My mom would make sandiwches for a week & freeze them so that you could just pull one out in the morning. Firmer sandwich breads like pepperidge farm hold up just fine. I don't know how well it'd work with today's overly soft breads, or artisinal rustic loaves. I should also mention that for years my mom would buy loaves of sandwich bread & freeze them; the bread ends up a bit firmer than if you didn't freeze it, but it was what I grew up on for sandwiches. — Joe Mar 19 '15 at 14:46

user315433

Any discussion of PB&J sandwiches brings up childhood memories.

user315433

I should try that freezing thing.

note to self: @zaq love peanut butter

(possibly useful trivia detail! ;))

user315433

Yeah, could be a password recovery question somewhere.

user315433

7:20 PM

or password itself, peanutbutterjellystaple

Or @Sha could use that to lure you somewhere some day.

At least that's what the cartoon looks like.

@ShadowWizard nah, just use enough ice cream to compensate

7:57 PM

hacking into @zaq's email accounts

@rene but first agreement to disagreement should happen... :D

user315433

ELU primary is over. Top 10: tchrist : 414 // MετάEd : 333 // choster : 242 // sumelic : 148 // NVZ : 117 // Lawrence : 84 // curiousdannii : 38 // Dog Lover : 32 // WBT : 6 // New Alexandria : 2

user315433

I gave up on trying to find someone to give 3rd vote to.

user315433

Ideally it doesn't matter since only two get elected.

user315433

Also, I never noticed that the final round begins on U.S. Friday afternoon, not really optimal election time.

Aaron Hall

8:16 PM

Unhappy hour. :(

logic epistemology ethics philosophy-of-science philosophy-of-religion metaphysics theology

Stoic hour

stoicfury

9.1k 4 28 69

StoicFury hour

user315433

8:35 PM

This is @AdamMaras trying to help me configure podcast set-up in a way that isn't a "dumpster fire". https://t.co/C9CmWp9out

Tweeted by Cake_Tease on August 19, 2016 at 8:33 PM

user315433

A podcast to be recorded today?

user335633

good day to all

Amateur. There isn't even a tapedeck in that diagram.

Hiya @Tropiks

user335633

how is everyone?

user315433

Happy, or soon to be.

user335633

8:39 PM

excellent!

Oh come on, do we have to be happy again in here?

user335633

lol

user335633

I am a naturally grumpy individual

Oooh, you'll fit right in

user335633

lol

user335633

8:42 PM

i have been astounded by the numpties on SO

user315433

> After lots of packing and just as many smart remarks, my wife has hinted at the fact that both of us moving could have been my assumption... -- Nick Craver at 1:38 PM - 19 Aug 2016

user315433

One couldn't possibly have just as many smart remarks as packing. One of these things is not like the other...

user335633

on reflection, the answer i gave a little while back was... a bit easy

user335633

but it worked and happiness ensued

Oded

@bjb568 I was just breaking up a tag synonym chain. I kept it as it was, didn't really look at if it made sense.

user335633

8:51 PM

got to watch those synonym chains...

I prefer synonym rolls. No wait, that's cinnamon.

user335633

mmmmm yum

user335633

they all taste like chicken to me

I hate transform hierarchies. There, I said it.

user335633

In Soviet Russia, transform hierarchies hate you!

9:03 PM

They seem to hate me over here as well

user335633

temperamental beasts they be

user335633

I was called 'evil' today - am so proud

Can you guys help me find the Meta SE dupe for this question? @ShadowWizard (Tha Dupe Mastah)

@Tropiks hey, I was fired from a job I didn't even have. I've got you beat

user335633

@Bart that is on my bucket list! How did you manage that?

9:07 PM

Just a harmless message

Q: How can 'community' edit posts?

0

I stumbled upon this answer, it has an edit by 'Community ♦'. This was changed (bold is added): You access the the property in the wrong way. But Community ♦, is a background process right, at least it claims it is on it's profile: Hi, I'm not really a person. I'm a background ...

support edits suggested-edits community-user

26

Q: Community♦ user edit: How does it know what to edit?

I just noticed that the Community♦ user edited a ~1 year old answer of mine. As you can see, the method call was changed from getSfGuardUser to getGuardUser: Now I checked the documentation and it seems that the edit is correct. But how did Community know about that? As far as I know, it is a...

discussion questions edits community-user

several others

user335633

@Bart I just spit out my Nutri Grain....LOL

@Shog9 Awesome, thanks :)

I love the fact that the answer on one of them has been "edited" by the Community user :)

user335633

lol - a nice piece of irony

user335633

good point in your post @Fiksdal

9:16 PM

@Tropiks Which post?

user335633

@Fiksdal in mse

Oh, the new suggestion regarding this? Thanks

user335633

i would upvote, but vote capped

@Tropiks Haha, ah, alright :) Yeah, that's what confused me.. I thought that if you were referring to that and you thought it was a good point, then you would have upvoted :) It didn't occur to me that you might have capped your votes, since I've only done so one single time myself on SE so I'd almost forgotten that it's possible :) I mostly only use like 10 votes or something per day

user335633

I think the vote cap found me

9:26 PM

@Tropiks What do you mean?

user335633

I was reading and voting and all of a sudden the vote-cap came known to me..

@Tropiks Haha, yeah, me too. Only it's only happened to me one time :)

user335633

I don't post much, but tend to read a lot - and it seems, vote a lot as well

Yeah, there are a lot of interesting questions here

user335633

There are indeed - I was even able to answer one!

9:33 PM

@Tropiks More than one, it seems...

The What If suggestion you have in your profile seems awesome. I just commited.

user335633

well, on MSE yes - on SO, I answered my own and another

user335633

the What if proposal looks brilliant! Am looking forward to that one

@Tropiks Ah, alright. Yeah, me too. I think it will happen.

user335633

Alternate histories and alternate realities greatly interest me

Yeah, me too

Have you seen The Man in the High Castle?

user335633

9:41 PM

no, but I have heard it is very good!

@Tropiks Yeah, it's pretty cool, Alternate history

user335633

I have been trying to write such a novel for a while

Is it hard?

user335633

yup - but that is the best part about it - the divergence should be a meaningful, profound, yet simple one

sounds cool

Aaron Hall

9:46 PM

Am I too late?

user335633

never!

Aaron Hall

Tell my wife that, please.

user335633

LOL

@Fiksdal heh, glad to see you had others help you :D

Yes, I was delighted to learn that there's more than one dupe mastah

9:53 PM

lol

10:21 PM

@zaq the reply thread there <_<"

FYI @zaq: blog.chromium.org/2016/08/from-chrome-apps-to-web.html

user315433

I just finished reading that. So, no more Caret on Windows?

user315433

Secure Shell is an extension, so it's safe. But Caret is a packaged app. Damn.

Depends if it's just from the web store or if it's an actual application/web app too.

user315433

chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/caret/…

user315433

10:32 PM

> Is it a Chrome app or a Chrome extension? I ask because Chrome apps are going away it seems.
Posted by Jeffrey Flynt - 55 minutes ago

why not just get Atom or Sublime or something?

user315433

Because I'm not an admin on some of the computers I use.

user315433

I can add things to Chrome, but cannot install new software.

user315433

Also for consistency, since there aren't Atom or Sublime for Chrome OS.

Appears the books from the swag contest last year are arriving: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/31794689#31794689

so I applied for this yesterday: stackoverflow.com/jobs/118792

user315433

10:46 PM

The ad looks suspicious.

user315433

> You have exposure to web programming and modern practices

user315433

This line has extra whitespace,   in two places. Why?

user315433

Also, modern practices of what?

just got an email back saying they go through a four step process: a "backend" project with C# and ASP.NET MVC, then a frontend project with HTML & CSS, an interview with the chief architect, then a half day of interviews with the engineering team to ask me "questions about past work, programming fundamentals, skills required to work effectively in an engineering team, as well as cultural and mission alignment".

in case one stack overflow wasn't more than enough for you, you can now have multiple stack overflows: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/332807

@zaq y'know.

Modern Family

Modern Family (stylized as modern family) is an American television mockumentary that premiered on ABC on September 23, 2009, which follows the lives of Jay Pritchett and his family, all of whom live in suburban Los Angeles. Pritchett's family includes his second wife, his stepson, as well as his two adult children and their spouses and children. Christopher Lloyd and Steven Levitan conceived the series while sharing stories of their own "modern families". Modern Family employs an ensemble cast. The series is presented in mockumentary style, with the fictional characters frequently talking directly...

10:56 PM

In today's happy hour... CoGro Musings is frozen:

♦ CoGro Musings

A text file for community managers to publicly muse in public....

user315433

That's its usual state, isn't it?

user315433

Maybe inserting random nbsp is a modern practice of web development.

user315433

11:13 PM

It looks like site users setting up a non-SE chat channel is potentially troublesome, but non-SE blogs are fine.

It's one of the less known rites of passage for a beta site; ask whether it wants a blog

the whole "blog overflow thing" is irrelevant, apparently