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user315433

3:42 PM

@kos You can click … at the end of report to get more detailed information, including the post itself.

user315433

New thing: there was a spam post linking to a site with .paris TLD

Shog9

@JasonC I assume you're voting to close?

kos

@404 Thanks. I failed to notice the ... is actually a link.

Alexis King

@Mooseman rabble rabble rabble

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC well, @Mooseman is one of them why not asking him directly here?

@kos actually I didn't notice too until @404 told you, so thanks!

So why we need the "why" command for at all?

kos

3:57 PM

@ShadowWizard Glad my oversights can help others. :)

Shadow Wizard

lol

xkcdBot

Today's xkcd comic (Estimating Time):

Corollary to Hofstadter's Law: Every minute you spend thinking about Hofstadter's Law is a minute you're NOT WORKING AND WILL NEVER FINISH! PAAAAAANIIIIIIC!

Jason C

@Shog9 Yeah; when I'm there I try to get things in the queue. It's an uphill, demoralizing battle though.

Shog9

That's fair. A downhill, moralizing battle isn't really much of a battle anyway.

More of a, hmm, revival meeting.

Remember when posting an overly-broad, subjective crap question on MSO wasn't a slam-dunk to getting it closed and deleted?

Alexis King

4:13 PM

@Shog9 Frankly no, but maybe I’m too new and need to get off your lawn.

Shog9

(In case you think I'm mixing metaphors unfairly, growing up we had a basketball hoop at the bottom of a hill)

@AlexisKing it didn't last long. The sorts of people who like to answer those questions and the sorts of people who like to hang around on meta don't overlap very much.

Jason C

I just woke up and was playing Factorio until like 6AM, so I don't get the metaphor, I'm just laughing imagining running down a hill while getting super pumped up about life.

Shog9

YEAH!

uh

sounds like a good excuse to make more coffee

Jason C

Yeah that's about to happen.

Shadow Wizard

!!/coffee

SmokeDetector

4:20 PM

@ShadowWizard brews coffee for @ShadowWizard

Shadow Wizard

Here you go. Sharing coffee with Tavern.

Jason C

4:37 PM

^ Reason #1 for leaving smokey here.

@Shog9 Well there's coffee in me now but I still don't understand the metaphor, but that's OK, lol.

And no I don't remember that time either. Young sites though are usually pretty good about having objective discussions about questions on their metas though. It's nice.

I'm having trouble staying motivated to participate in the large sites, really, that's sort of one of the reasons. I love hanging out on like, woodworking. And mechanics has been super fun.

Speaking of which I really hope woodworking makes it out of beta.

I saw a sidebar ad for it on DIY I was pumped about that.

@hichris123 It's only been a day and I'll admit I'm kind of liking that smokey's posting here as a last resort. Not because there's less posts, but it's a useful concept.

Shog9

@JasonC that varies widely. Young sites that have clearly-defined topics don't need a whole lot of discussion, but sometimes get it anyway. Young sites that don't have that need the discussion badly, but sometimes don't get it.

Really depends on how long it takes for folks to see a problem.

Jason C

Yeah I know.

Hardware recs has been good about it. I was so down on that site when it was a proposal, and now I really like it. They've done a great job at keeping it focused in the face of potential chaos. Plus they're friendly.

IͶΔ

Also chem.

Jason C

Yeah

IͶΔ

Wait, yeah?

I regular chem. How can it be friendly then? :P

Jason C

4:47 PM

No

IͶΔ

Interesting "how".

Jason C

Yeah

SmokeDetector

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Jason C

I wonder if I can convince hardware recs to pick a new set of struts for my car.

Hey there was that post on MSE a while back, with a nice graph of how much (or how little) spam gets through the SE filters. Does anybody remember where that was?

Maybe it was MSO.

Shog9

Search Tim's Posts

Jason C

4:50 PM

Throw Tim's Stones

Do you see what I did there? It was funny. Laugh now.

hichris123

Wrong Tim...

@JasonC I can't tell if that message was positive or neutral.

Jason C

There's two Tims. They're both correct Tims.

IͶΔ

26

A: Anti-spam: Blocking questions whose bodies end with a raw hyperlink

We've experimented with this sort of thing in the past, and it hasn't been very successful for any appreciable amount of time. This is for two reasons: We have to tell users why something can't be submitted, although we can be kind of vague as to what's wrong, to avoid users 'fixing' only the s...

Jason C

@hichris123 I'm pretty surly today and it was neutral to me. So therefore, from your perspective, it was positive.

IͶΔ

It's your own post, dammit

hichris123

4:54 PM

@JasonC I see.

Jason C

Oh

That's why I remembered seeing it... >.>

I can't decide what non-productive thing I want to do today.

Should I research suspension for my car, work on perfecting my polyurethane mirror finish technique, play Factorio, or continue binge watching Voyager? It's so stressful.

I could finish writing all this documentation for a client, but that'd be a waste of time.

Andy

Where are you in Voyager?

Jason C

Near the end of season 2.

It's the only trek I never saw during its original run, so it's actually new for me. It's growing on me. It's got some TOS vibes.

I find that it demands a very forgiving audience though.

Well I never saw TOS during its original run.

Andy

It does require being forgiving.

If you haven't seen it before, I say keep moving ahead with Voyager

Jason C

5:09 PM

It has had a couple episodes that were too much even for me to forgive though. Like Investigations (the one that ended Jonas the moles mini arc and sort of retroactively nullified all of Paris' character development), will probably remain my least favorite episode for a while.

I hit a bump with that one and lost interest for a couple days.

Andy

If I say "Salamander" does it mean anything yet?

Jason C

Yeah lol

Andy

Ok. That one wasn't good either.

Jason C

But that episode was so over the top that I just pretended it didn't happen. Investigations actually tried.

Andy

Very good point.

Jason C

5:15 PM

My favorite episode so far (which I resent because I'm one of those Braga haters) has been the one where the ship duplicated itself and everybody died. Uh... Deadlock.

But it's cause I'm a sucker for all those weird duplicate people episodes.

Did you ever watch Farscape?

Andy

There was a semi-decent book based on the after effects of Deadlock: memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Echoes_%28novel%29

I did. I watched it for the first time in December

I liked it a lot

Jason C

Yeah I really liked it too.

The whole twinning thing and its consequences inexplicably freaked me out for a really long time.

Andy

I liked that it took so long to resolve. It wasn't just a two part episode that was resolved quickly and then forgotten. They used it and used it well.

Jason C

Yeah. They used it really well.

But yeah I always get sucked in by that kind of stuff. There was also uh, let's see... TNG's Second Chances, DS9: Whispers (my favorite DS9 episode by far), Visionary (to some extent).

Whoa: whatculture.com/tv/…

Alexis King

@JasonC Addicted yet?

Jason C

5:25 PM

@AlexisKing Yeah and I haven't even made it past the tutorial campaigns. I keep replaying levels to beat my times.

I was up until like 6AM.

Andy

@JasonC I liked Visionary. I had to go look up Whispers because that title didn't seem familiar. That was a good episode too

Jason C

That one DS9 episode where Molly fell in some random time portal and skipped 10 years is... kind of that style too I guess. But it didn't really use its potential, especially when she went back and met herself. And it was kind of a cheap reset. I remember being disappointed that the writers weaselled their way out of tackling moral issues there.

DS9 had a way of making things fizzle out.

Andy

A lot of Trek did. They really liked getting back to the status quo at the end of the episode.

I still like it, but sometimes it felt like there was a lot more they could have done with it

Jason C

Yeah definitely.

Well there's always the JJ Abrams' alternate reality...

Andy

It's so blinding! lens flare to the eyes

Jason C

5:35 PM

I'm fascinated now by this talk of a Babylon 5 reboot. I'm sure it will be crap. But still.

Yeah lol.

Andy

I have to finish season 2 of Daredevil and then Babylon 5 is next on my list. I haven't seen that one either.

Jason C

I comfort myself by thinking that there's also another me somewhere, in an alternate timeline where JJ Abrams doesn't exist.

Andy

Heh

Jason C

I bet you're gonna like Babylon 5.

It's kind of like everything DS9 wanted to be, but it totally nails it.

Andy

Sweet

Jason C

5:42 PM

Oh, in my alternate JJ Abrams-less timeline, Lost doesn't have a crappy ending. I'm going to sleep well tonight knowing that somewhere out there, I'm not still bitter about it 6 years later.

And I walked out of The Force Awakens happy.

Welp, I've decided, today is Factorio day.

Andy

But, in this universe, there is probably more Michael Bay. Everytime someone looks at the Enterprise, entire sections just explode for no reason.

A ship to ship fight destroys planets

Jason C

Haha

I'm laughing. That's a good note to leave on, lol. See ya.

Andy

Enjoy the game.

Alexis King

5:58 PM

@JasonC Muahahahahaha

user315433

6:43 PM

@ShadowWizard Sometimes Metasmoke is down, leaving "why" as the only option. Also, because it already exists and it would be more work to remove it than keep.

user315433

@kos It used to be [?], which was more noticeable. But also more obtrusive, when seen at the end of every chat message.

SmokeDetector

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kos

@404 What was the argument against [?]? The brackets or the question mark? If the question mark, have you guys thought about [...]?

sd k

Jason C

haiku.nytimes.com oh man.

They use an algorithm that searches the NY Times for accidental haikus. It's gold.

Mike Edenfield

wow.

Shadow Wizard

6:54 PM

@404 fair enough, thanks!

Jason C

I want to run that on the chat transcripts.

And on questions and answers. Oh man I think I finally have inspiration for my first chat bot; the accidental haiku detector.

But he acknowledged
that it is easy to make
fun of the umlaut.

You be using mad anti-words.

user315433

7:12 PM

@kos The general prominence of the thing, which is repetitive and usually unnecessary. Repeated "click me" invitations are annoying. Few people need "why" to begin with, and those who do will eventually find out...

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Distance minimum distance between point and sphere by Mani Ballinero on math.stackexchange.com …

Alexis King

Woah, chat has a mobile version now?

No room for the stars board. :(

user315433

Elections tend to be a sort of "Okay, these are the sites that still need elections right now, what can we schedule this week?" sort of deal. What's picked is based on the urgency of the call plus how long it's been since the call was made. I did actually schedule this a week in advance (plus the ones that would be starting this week on other sites), but that was less overt and more of an internal memo to self on what my weekly agenda included. — Grace Note ♦ 2 hours ago

user315433

I think I'll just add comments to NormalHumanChat instead of creating a 3rd bot.

user315433

They'll share the same problem: comments and chat allow a lot more characters than Twitter.

hichris123

7:18 PM

@AlexisKing A Better Mobile Chat™.

user315433

There is a chat room for Travel mod election, but no election page or meta announcement... chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/37291/…

hichris123

@SmokeDetector still needs flags

SmokeDetector

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Shadow Wizard

8:09 PM

in CoGro Musings, yesterday, by bluefeet

Musings are difficult lately

Need new ideas, @bluefeet? :)

hichris123

@SmokeDetector fp-

Shadow Wizard

@hichris123 will marking as fp in CHQ prevent Smokey from posting here?

user315433

Yes. If someone is awake and present there.

Shadow Wizard

Nice. :)

user315433

New elections: PPCG, Travel

bluefeet

8:14 PM

@ShadowWizard nope. I should change that to "public musings are difficult lately" :P

Shadow Wizard

lol

user315433

Muse like nobody's watching, scraping, logging, and tweeting.

bluefeet

if only that were true

Shadow Wizard

Give access to @Jason he always got a muse to share. :D

bluefeet

most definitely...not giving him access

Shadow Wizard

8:16 PM

And if he's good enough, hire him as CM. or PM. ;)

user315433

And blogging on medium, I should have added.

bluefeet

hiring decisions are out of my ~~feet~~ hands

user315433

PPCG is electing 4 mods at once. Travel adding 1 mod.

Shadow Wizard

@bluefeet nonsense. Your feet covers anything in SE. We know. :D

@404 elections for one mod? Was it ever done before? I've seen only 3

user315433

Lots of times, when it's not the first election.

user315433

8:21 PM

And the site is not called Stack Overflow.

Shadow Wizard

Yeah, didn't see or take part in lots of elections outside SO.

user315433

I think @JasonC with his frequent insights would be better employed by SE as a Director of Developer Insights

hichris123

@bluefeet Obviously an oversight. You shouldn't be discriminated against because of your blue feet!

user315433

The position that Dimitar vacated recently. Not easy to fill, I imagine.

hichris123

> This position is an in house position and reports directly to the COO.

wow

Shadow Wizard

8:22 PM

> Employees will never be poked with a sharp stick

Can't believe it's still there :D

Poor @Bart - can't poke them with his stick.

hichris123

Also, I thought SE SO was using Careers for their job posts.

Shadow Wizard

@hichris123 they do have a page there

Jon Ericson

@hichris123 Only technical positions.

hichris123

So much for dogfooding... :P

@JonEricson Why? I'm kinda curious, is there some limitation or do you all think it just makes more sense to use a standard form for non-developers?

11

A: Blacklist the use of common link shorteners in posts

@404 ^

user315433

Let's see what spammers will do now... Hopefully not http:// goo.gl/abcdef

hichris123

8:29 PM

I guess we'll find out tonight.

user315433

From a certain Barbara Glowa of Magento fame, among others.

hichris123

Speaking of which, Smokey's posted 26 messages today according to the user page. I don't think that takes into account deleted messages, so let's call it an even 40. 1/2 of where we were previously (80 messages/day).

Jon Ericson

@hichris123 The Jobs feature is not intended for those non-technical positions (yet?). I don't think there's a problem posting them there, but it would be kinda weird if we used it and told other companies not to.

hichris123

Ah, I didn't realize that.

user315433

Google+ page of a spammer, with their activity: plus.google.com/101625664641115465326

user315433

8:31 PM

Note the prominence of goo.gl links.

Shog9

keep in mind this is just SO right now

Not that breaking SO is a great way to test, but it beats breaking a half-dozen sites where I don't know the language.

user315433

When you filtered the sites based on their use, was it only based on non-deleted SO posts?

user315433

It seems to, because I don't see sh.st and adf.ly in the list, which we usually spamflag.

Shog9

@404 adf.ly is already blacklisted

but that's a good point - i should re-run this.

Doorknob

8:48 PM

@ShadowWizard it's because we already have 4 mods, and Alex requested a 4-mod election

user315433

1

Q: Automatically suspend accounts recreated after a moderator deleted the original

A common scenario we run into on Stack Overflow is that we have a troll, spammer, or obvious sock puppet of another user and moderators decide to delete this user. We go on about our business only to find out a hour or two later that the account we just deleted has been recreated, using the same ...

rene

9:03 PM

Anyone else that can explain what search is trying here. I call it a feature now but maybe it is a bug after all.

similar one here

user315433

Yes, a bug in quote-unquoting, I ran into it before. Searching for bug "expert search" changes the search string to "bug "expert search""

rene

Ah, is there a better bug report?

user315433

Probably not. I don't really care enough to report such things.

rene

OK, I've edited it to say it probably is a bug

thx

user315433

9:23 PM

Is the layout of elections.stackexchange.com broken by PPCG site name?

rene

@404 looks like it. Broken beyond repair I would say ...

Mike Edenfield

hrm.

elections.stackexchange.com/#scifi.stackexchange

~~that's also broken. it's missing a mod.~~

nm, it somehow just magically appeared as I stared at it :)

Alexis King

@JasonC This one’s still open, you know. Even easier given that you’re a room owner. chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/89?m=3266818#3266818

Apr 7 '15 at 18:24, by Alexis King

@Inf You need to set up a bot that does nothing but allow the Tavern to vote to kick BJB. :)

user315433

Problem: bjb has stopped doing kick-worthy things.

Alexis King

What?! Tavern was not as advertised; leaving the room for another year.

Jason C

9:45 PM

@bluefeet Lol

@404 It doesn't matter if he does kick-worthy things or not. All that matters is we keep voting and let the bot kick him.

user315433

For the 1st time, brilliant flash of an exploding star’s shockwave captured by @NASAKepler: http://go.nasa.gov/1XIfLaV https://t.co/eSwbajUWeF

Tweeted by NASA on March 21, 2016 at 9:23 PM

Jason C

I'll make the bot treat all votes as "yes, kick"

Nice

Thats so awesome

Mooseman

10:10 PM

@ShadowWizard Hola

SmokeDetector

10:31 PM

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Mooseman

@SmokeDetector tpu-

Comments on question as well

bjb568

I am so efficient.

hichris123

What game is this?

bjb568

France at 200% difficulty, I got 99% support and nuked smokers, religious people, debt, and all cars.

@hichris123 Democracy 3

Mooseman

@bjb568 Taxation is theft

bjb568

10:41 PM

Haha, I had Tax Evasion maxed out all the way the entire time. Turns out people care more about getting their kids a world class education more than they hate my not-really-progressive tax.

I had my people only paying me 2/3 of the taxes because they hated it so much.

SmokeDetector

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hichris123

@404 cc @TimStone

Tim Stone

11:06 PM

pewpew

Hmmmmm

@404 Thanks, will take a look

Quill

11:56 PM

I'm submitting a pull request now

github.com/tms/stack-election/pull/2

@TimStone ^

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