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Mark E

00:11

woohoo, rep as of right now: 10002

drachenstern

I have a construct where I expect to hit an exception on some totally random XYZ event, but if it does ever hit, I don't really care to catch it. I want to ignore any exceptions thrown at that point, because if I don't get a good response then I want to implant my own value into my return, so is it valid c# to write

try {
   //do whatever
} finally {
   // yeah baby
}

or do I have to have the catch block?

I know this is probably try 101, but I am groggy

Mark E

hm

finally is guaranteed to always execute like in Java

but the exception will still throw later, right?

drachenstern

but is the catch (albeit empty) necessary?

@MarkE not if I put in my dummy catch (it'll throw, but nobody will know)

Mark E

@drachenstern that's my point

drachenstern

this is not in a tight loop, btw. This is a once per dispatch call. Those are expected to be on the order of 50 per minute?

Mark E

00:14

if you want to suppress the exception I think you actually have to catch it

drachenstern

@MarkE oh I see your point

Tim Stone

@MarkE Yeah

drachenstern

yeah I checked MSDN while typing here

'tis true, must catch and suppress

Mark E

so er

with the flagged post tools

do i have any actions i can perform?

Shog9

@MarkE you can flag them more

Mark E

00:16

heh, yeah

drachenstern

lol

I presume you mean flagged posts on chat since you're asking here without context?

Moshe

@Zypher? You there?

Mark E

@drachenstern no no, the context is i just broke 10k on SO

Zypher

yep what's up

Shog9

if you think a post is worth saving, you can try to edit out whatever seems to be irritating folks, but keep in mind that spurious flags go away after a while on their own.

Moshe

00:18

How was lunch?

Zypher

haha it's on it's way now :)

one of THOSE days here

Moshe

I'm ready to do the next round of fixes. Wondering if you have any feedback.

Yea but it's evening. Lunch, now?

Zypher

ehh lunch/dinner combination :)

Moshe

Ok when you are available, feel free to send me feedback or ping me on Google Chat.

Zypher

will do

Moshe

00:21

Enjoy your food. And remind me to stop being such a pest.

I am going to bother my other testers now. I want to launch real soon.

drachenstern

@MarkE see how context changed the conversation there? ;) ... congrats btw

Zypher

rock on no worries

Moshe

Hear hear.

Mark E

@drachenstern thanks. also, see earlier context: chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/470416#470416

Moshe

@drach - how you feeling? I see you're a bit more active.

drachenstern

00:22

@MarkE that's not contextgiving to "what to do with flags" tho :p ~ But yes I saw that briefly, just didn't correlate the two

@Moshe better, thanks for asking

Dan Grossman

►

Mark E

@drachenstern shrug

Tim Stone

@DanGrossman Yeah, that's pretty neat

Mark E

@DanGrossman oh that's sick

badp

Darn you Gravatar. Make less reddish gravatars.

@TimStone can't you paint your gravatar rainbow?

Tim Stone

00:25

Never!

Mark E's gravatar is definitely purple, if that's what brought that up :P

drachenstern

> Nominations close in 21 hours.

Mark E

in [c], i = j = m = 0; does that actually set all 3 to 0?

Shog9

@drachenstern 20 hours then before I jump in, knock someone else out, and enter the primary with no comments on my post. Muahahahahaha...

Mark E

I remember something funky about this

@TimStone say what now?

Shog9

@MarkE yes.

Tim Stone

00:29

@MarkElliot I dunno, normally when @badp complains about my gravatar it's because he can't differentiate it from someone else's, heh

Mark Elliot

got it

ahh cool, i can see others' deleted posts now

Josh

00:48

@RebeccaChernoff sorry I was AFK...

That call I mentioned happened...

@TimStone @drachenstern and @Fosco, I can email you news if you care :-)

drachenstern

@Josh I gave you my email for a reason ;)

Mark Elliot

@Josh call?

Josh

@drachenstern You did -- you were helping me test to make sure my server switch worked :-)

@MarkElliot business conference call I was talking to these guys about earlier

Mark Elliot

oo

Josh

(some crazy stuff happened this morning, I was asking for advice)

badp

00:51

Ah well, before you go flagging

The State of the Web, Winter 2010

Josh

@badp Hey I was about to say that was awesome!

badp

@Josh It still is!

Tim Stone

@Josh Sure

drachenstern

@Josh what I rather meant was email me as you feel the desire to do so

Tim Stone

> Buy one sack of ground beef and get a free aircraft-carrier-shaped cheese log! SWEET JESUS, BILL!

lmao

Josh

00:56

@drachenstern I know. I was being sarcastic :-)

drachenstern

@Josh :p

Josh

(I do that sometimes to impress @RebeccaChernoff)

Rebecca Chernoff

huh?

Moshe

My MacBook is freezing. Which idiot here said Mac OS never breaks?

Tim Stone

@RebeccaChernoff I know, why is he going to such great lengths when he could just start typing his smilies backward?

Dan Grossman

00:59

Mac OS's have always been more prone to freezing than Windows.

Tim Stone

God damn that spinning beach ball.

Moshe

Who cares that I was running mail, iTunes, Safari and Xcode together? I mean it's Mac!

Oh.

Xcode is done analyzing.

Dan Grossman

I don't think I got through a single digital art class in high school without the fruit-colored iMac freezing at least once.

Tim Post

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Rambling / Ranting / Off-topic questions

Proposed Q&A site for people who just want to talk about whatever, and have noone to talk to. For people with ideas and noone to share it with. For people who want to debate.

Currently in defintion.

@rchern - need to borrow your diamond

Josh

@RebeccaChernoff I was saying you support my use of sarcasm

(or anyone's use of the device for that matter)

drachenstern

01:03

@TimPost aka "I miss Yahoo Answers"

Tim Post

He's now trolling on MSO, and Progrmmers SE as well

Tim Stone

20 hours ago, by ircmaxell

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 50 mins ago, by Anonymous

MY JavaScript is better than all of you! You can't touch what I do. You think you're so great, using your prototype, well I have the DOM, and several hand-made JavaScript libraries to back me up. You talk about how to be cross-platform, yet you can't even support SeaMonkey. Fuck you.

Not to mention that before. :P

Tim Post

Is 4chan sending us rejects?

Moshe

@TimPost haha

Tim Post

@RebeccaChernoff - Awake over there?

Dan Grossman

01:05

-6

Q: I am afraid the government is watching us with technology.

Sites that are blind-accessible are also robot accessible, am I right? Also, wiretapping happens in emails! Government requests data from Google! Google sends automatically!

Tim Post

Yep. I have yet to find one positive contribution from this person on any site

You are free to post about exploding vaginas on your own forum, on your own web server, using your own bandwidth, power and time. – Tim Post 36 mins ago I never thought that I would use that combination of words in a single sentence during my adult life.

drachenstern

> Right, so the setup is a 650 site WordPress MU (network install) and as far as I know, there is no way to change it to use separate databases. It creates all the tables in the one database and about 9 per site. I don't have the time to change the WordPress code and can't change the platform, so I have to deal with the tables. The DB server will be a beefy server or three (not virtual) and will be Linux (probably Ubuntu). The setup will also have a large memcache setup to reduce DB load.

Dan Grossman

It's actually amazing how unique most sentences you write are. Pick a random sentence you've written today and search the web for it, it's probably never been written despite trillions of pages out there.

drachenstern

does that belong on DBA (where it is now) or something like webapps since it's all about WordPress?

Moshe

WP

Imho

Dan Grossman

01:09

Neither

There is no question

Tim Stone

@drachenstern Is...there a question?

Ah, Dan beat me to it. :P

Moshe

Oh ok. I retract. I spaced out there. Saw all WP.

Yay memory management. Double yay for analyzer.

drachenstern

Sorry, dealing with two things at one time

his original question was how to deal with 10k tables in one db effectively

since it's WP I presume it's MySQL

Dan Grossman

Yes

Was there an actual problem, or did he just not like the idea of having many tables to support his thousands of separate blogs?

Josh

@DanGrossman > No results found for "It's actually amazing how unique most sentences you write are".

Dan Grossman

01:15

It's the same as a shared web hosting server, they don't have any problem with it

@Josh Yep.

drachenstern

ok, flying blind I see ... lemme do the right thing and deeplink

0

Q: What kind of hardware/software config should I look at for a MySQL database with 10,000 plus tables

I am looking at rolling out a CMS system that will require the creation of around 10,000 tables within the primary MySQL database of the system. The database will be the data store for several hundred small website front ends that might draw a modest load of around 150k unique viewers per month,...

mysql

Josh

@DanGrossman and also:

in Chat feedback, 30 secs ago, by Josh

Feature Request: Make quotes work when replying

drachenstern

I just can't believe that it will require 10k tables to be created, that's ludicrous

Mark Elliot

@drachenstern egads

drachenstern

@Josh did you explain the case well enough for it to make sense in six weeks?

Dan Grossman

01:17

@drachenstern What do you think the database on a HostGator server looks like?

Mark Elliot

@DanGrossman Surely there are several databases?

Dan Grossman

A database is just a container for permissions, how does that affect anything else?

Tim Post

HostGator uses cPanel / WHM, so it's probably a highly tuned MySQL server (single)

Josh

@TimPost s/C-Panel/cPanel/

Tim Post

@Josh Dunno what you're talking about :P

drachenstern

01:19

@DanGrossman anytime a database amasses 10k similarly named tables, a dba cries. Do you really want to make dbas cry? DO YOU? :p

Josh

@TimPost s/highly tuned MySQL/MySQL/

drachenstern

/afk

Josh

</nitpick><smiley />

Mark Elliot

I love it when users think we can just divine answers

0

Q: Why MySql query runs twice?

I got a page which is URLRewrited by the .htaccess which runs a MySQL query twice eventhough I place it once, no loops no nothing. every time i refresh the page it adds 2 page views to the database.

php mysql

Tim Post

I know someone who worked there, they do have a reasonably solid configuration

Josh

01:21

AH, OK. I only say that because cPanel alone can be horribly misconfigured

I have seen it all too often :-)

Tim Post

Yeah, basically no config

I work in the hosting industry (full time job), so we do keep up on our competition :)

Josh

Ah ok :-)

Dan Grossman

Mark Elliot

ok, i'm off to watch house

see y'all later

Josh

Later @Mark!

Dan Grossman

01:37

What is this, reddit? An orangered envelope? Why is there a separate message area there anyway?

ircmaxell

Not to mention that it's wrong half the time

Dan Grossman

I don't know what it was alerting me to, honestly. I don't see any replies I haven't already read...

ircmaxell

@Dan: it was there long before the notification icon on the left of your image was

Josh

@DanGrossman could be replies, favorite changes, up/down votes (I think?), badges, and something else I thought

I find the MultiCollider more useful

Dan Grossman

I think it might be @ircmaxell editing my answer

ircmaxell

01:39

edits and favorite changes are the only thing that the envelope signals that the notification in the upper-left don't

and it prob was my edit :-D

Dan Grossman

stackoverflow.com/posts/4789139/revisions

I can't tell what you changed

Josh

@ircmaxell thanks, edits was the thing I couldn't think of

ircmaxell

the link didn't appear at first (it showed as [sleep][0])

Dan Grossman

0

Q: How safe is it to use phpass between several servers?

With 'portable_hashes' turned on. I've noticed that for whatever reason, the hashes it generates aren't always the same - but always return as valid when passed through 'CheckPassword'. I've also noticed that 'PHP_VERSION' is used in the generation of the hash - these two things combined have me ...

php security authentication hashing phpass

ircmaxell

I saw that

Dan Grossman

01:42

Seems off topic to me? Question about how some software works and how suitable it is, not a programming question...

Josh

Ok dinnertime for me, catch you guys later

@DanGrossman yeah, it's borderline...

Well his question ultimately is:

> If there's even the slightest chance that the passwords will ever be made invalid - what steps would I have to take to make my own password hash generator?

which is pretty broad

but is a valid question, I'd say

Anyway, I can't eat StackOverflow questions so I'm off to find edible food

3

ircmaxell

0

A: How safe is it to use phpass between several servers?

The only use that I can see of PHP_VERSION is in this line: $output .= $this->itoa64[min($this->iteration_count_log2 + ((PHP_VERSION >= '5') ? 5 : 3), 30)]; Now, all that's saying is determining the maximum number of iterations. And it's in the gensalt_private method which genera...

actually, check out this answer. Really? I mean really?

1

A: PHP - using microtime() to measure CPU usage of a function/code block

PHP always amazes me with how fast it is. Your code seems to be right. Maybe your code is really only taking 3 milliseconds. You could try making a long loop, something like this: $x=0; while ($x<1000000) { $x++; } Add this code inside of your timer. For me, looping 1 million times u...

Dan Grossman

@YiJiang's election page has been loaded over 1000 times by over 780 unique people so far today.

I was amused at how sleep(5) [and getting the time] took 4.9997 seconds ;)

ircmaxell

yeah, that's pretty funny, but it makes sense

kind of

I guess

maybe not

Dan Grossman

could just be rounding error

ircmaxell

01:49

that's pretty big for rounding errors

Dan Grossman

or maybe sleep()'s implementation makes some assumptions to be approximately true

ircmaxell

but possible I guess

Well, sleep() is just a proxy for c's sleep

Tim Post

Does it change if you sleep(5.0) ?

Dan Grossman

sleep(5): 5.0019340515137

sleep(5.0): 5.001394033432

Tim Post

Doing it in C I saw a slightly larger difference (as reported by times)

It's just float precision

ircmaxell

01:52

thats big for float error tho

Tim Post

Yes, it is

Pollyanna

hehehe

That's a pretty funny answer. The comment followup is great too.

Dan Grossman

judging by my own results running it a few times, I don't think it's rounding

Tim Post

5 0m0.448s 0m0.080s
0m5.952s 0m1.708s

rather

0m0.448s 0m0.080s
0m5.952s 0m1.708s
(for sleep(5))

Dan Grossman

I'm getting up to milliseconds in difference between sequential sleep(5)'s

Tim Post

01:53

0m0.456s 0m0.080s
0m6.072s 0m1.744s

(for sleep(5.0))

Dan Grossman

[root@www admin]# php tmp.php
5.0026750564575
5.0128259658813
[root@www admin]# php tmp.php
5.0011899471283
5.0015609264374

Pollyanna

Sleep, in most implementations, is not precision. It simply says, "Hey, OS, you can have some time to do stuff. Come back in about X mS, kthxbye"

Tim Post

Now let me try it with an obnoxiously larger float

Pollyanna

There are timers that will delay more precisely than sleep in most languages.

ircmaxell

actually that's true

Tim Post

01:55

Yes, but I didn't realize just how ... imprecise .. it really was

ircmaxell

it prob puts it back in the CPU scheduler at approximately 5 seconds, the exact time it gets the CPU will then depend on CPU load.

Pollyanna

I believe you will get better delays with usleep and nanosleep in php. Sleep is more of a clumsy drunken timer.

ircmaxell

lol

Pollyanna

But I suspect that those delays actually eat processing time.

ircmaxell

$time = 5; while (($time = sleep($time)) > 0) {}

Tim Post

01:57

Well it's the time it takes to yield + context switch, and depending on if the process was paged out ... so yeah, sleep(5) could actually end up being sleep(6)

but it looks like (linux anyway) puts it in ahead of time instead of late

2

Rambling

Proposed Q&A site for people who just want to talk about whatever.

Currently in defintion.

I wish that thing would be closed before he has more 'fun' with it

ircmaxell

lol

Tim Post

Some of the questions are downright vulgar and offensive

ircmaxell

lol

Rebecca Chernoff

Hm? Opening...

Dan Grossman

I wanted to follow that.

Pollyanna

02:01

@Tim - I went thinking I could make something of it. Then I read his example questions. Oh My. CLOSE.

Tim Post

I thought the worst proposal question I'd ever see was "How do amputees have sex?" .. but this person broke the record.

Dan Grossman

You have piqued my curiosity, where can I follow said proposal?

Nevermind, answers.com has this one covered

ircmaxell

lol

zerkms

guys, do you also think that holywar.stackexchange is pointless to create?

ircmaxell

yeah

zerkms

02:09

why? It could be fun

Erick Robertson

Why shouldn't we kill all the Methodists?

zerkms

And all other religions probably

Tim Post

What happens when the scientologists get wind of it?

CRITICAL MASS ACHIEVED!

ircmaxell

lol

Erick Robertson

02:27

If the Buddhists and the Taoists fought to the death, who would win?

ircmaxell

I shouldn't be still posting on SO. I should be packing

sigh

Tim Post

@ErickRobertson Impossible scenario, they'd just keep reincarnating

Erick Robertson

02:44

I actually got to ask in a meeting today: Are we going to design this interface by consensus, or is someone going to take the lead here?

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drachenstern

02:57

@DanGrossman why aren't you on dba on a regular basis?

Dan Grossman

I don't have enough experience administrating SQL Server or Oracle to offer sound advice to those people, and I wasn't in the beta so the site's only been open a short while for me

I like writing queries, and more of those questions are on SO too

drachenstern

Bah, there's PLENTY of MySQL folks that come over there. You should consider spending a little more time over there. I hear you have at least two more months ;)

@DanGrossman yeah the concensus so far is to try and nudge purely query how-do-I to SO, and to push the performance of a query questions to dba, but I'm still wobbly on that one

SQL really isn't like most other languages (most other languages here being defined as 3G c-like languages, whereas it is like functional languages in that they naturally work on sets) so most devs have no idea what they're doing (seeing as how most devs have a hard time with things like inner vs left)

Erick Robertson

Didn't know there was a site purely for performance and admin questions. Might stop by there except I don't really do it anymore.

drachenstern

@ErickRobertson see, I'm trying to evangelize ;)

Moshe

I'm itching to release this app!

Someone stop me.

It's going to be terrible.

Erick Robertson

03:06

Um. Is it riddled with bugs?

Moshe

No, it's been tested over the last few days.

Thanks to @Zypher and a few others.

I am just deciding if the iPad version should go up at the same time as a universal binary.

drachenstern

Yes

Moshe

@drachenstern - yes?

Erick Robertson

Oh, it's been tested for a few days by SO. Sounds ready to me.

Moshe

@ErickRobertson - The remaining questions are about gameplay and stuff, but it's almost done and pretty stable.

drachenstern

03:08

@Moshe yes, I would release both together

Moshe

Well ,@Zypher is the only one on SO to test, but my friends here tested it too.

Erick Robertson

Only has some gameplay issues?

Moshe

@drachenstern - Ok. So my next question is if the iPad version can be colorful, since it's not the same as the original anyways.

@ErickRobertson - And those are minor, depending on which tester you ask.

Erick Robertson

You should just decide.

Moshe

@drachenstern - You do know about this app, right?

drachenstern

03:10

@Moshe I have heard you prattle on about it yes.

Moshe

Heh.

So do you think the iPad version can be colorful?

drachenstern

Bad question

Erick Robertson

Who's developing this app?

Moshe

@ErickRobertson - Me.

@drachenstern - why?

drachenstern

"I have two designs, can you help me decide which one looks better?"

Moshe

03:11

Ah, right.

drachenstern

then present TWO designs. Not three. Not one.

Moshe

Lemme rephrase.

drachenstern

Two shall be the number that thee shall present.

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Moshe

ok

drachenstern

I'm glad somebody realized the immediate reference there, even tho it's poorly presented :D

Moshe

03:12

My question is as follows: Must my iPad design be a larger, blown up version of the iPhone app, or may it have a completely different UI?

Erick Robertson

Looks better to whom?

drachenstern

So Moshe how long will it take you to mock up the interfaces for us to review with you?

Moshe

I'm thinking of the Twitter app.

drachenstern

there's nothing like a hallway usability test

Moshe

And thinking that I can colorize my iPad app a bit.

drachenstern

03:13

@Moshe it may be larger if that is what you would like

Erick Robertson

It may have whatever cool iPad features you care to spend the time creating.

drachenstern

some people don't like to see different UIs between apps, it just depends

does your app lend to using a larger screen better than using a smaller screen?

Moshe

Well the iPod version is a throwback, the iPad version is not.

drachenstern

Will gameplay be consistent if you redesign the screen a lot?

Erick Robertson

The screen is like, 8 times larger. Of course it's a feature to have a better interface.

Moshe

03:14

@drachenstern Yea, I don't intend on changing core design elements, just dressing it up. Colors, Icons next to text, fancier font.

drachenstern

@ErickRobertson only if you don't totally destroy the gameplay concepts ;)

So, my final vote in this question is: when you present me three screens (current iPhone screen, rejuiced iPhone screen for the iPad [same basic elements, no touchups], and a colorized version of the rejuiced iPhone screen for the iPad) then I will personally be able to say "yes that was a good idea" or "no, don't change it from b

@ErickRobertson ;)

Moshe

ok

will do.

gimme a few minutes

drachenstern

I will grant you this @Moshe ... you are persistent. I pity the elephant that tries to get in your way.

Moshe

Heh.

Thanks.

I apologize if I'm bugging you.

Erick Robertson

Yes. He won't know if he even likes peanuts when @Moshe is through with him.

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Moshe

03:19

You should meet my friend... haha.

brb gotta dress up my UI.

drachenstern

@Moshe You're not. If you are I'm not afraid to tell you off. I believe you've experienced that ;)

Moshe

@drachenstern Yep :-) still working

Erick Robertson

Put the UI in that mini-skirt that you look so cute in.

Moshe

@ErickRobertson What?

is confused and busy, but mostly confused

drachenstern

Don't worry @Moshe I'm confused too, I think it was humor that went ****whoooosh*******

Moshe

03:25

I think it might be a mistaken reference to my avater, but...

drachenstern

it might

Moshe

hrm...

The odd thing is, I might like the new design as I make it, which may decide for me.

*is liking the new design...

drachenstern

@Moshe Do you really think I was asking for my OWN benefit? I could tell you hadn't made the UI yet. Additionally, as you make this UI you're going to realize that there's parts of the small UI that need to be redone. You're going to hate me after this experiment ;)

Moshe

@drachenstern - You are right on all counts, but I don't hate you. I appreciate it.

Actually, I did make the UI once, for the iPhone. I dumped it for memory reasons.

And i originally made it months ago, my coding skills have come a long way since.

drachenstern

You're not done yet. Count the number of revisions you go through between now and ship.

Moshe

03:37

There are small parts that need reworking.

I'm not done.

not at all.

drachenstern

But you see my point

Moshe

This is revision 1.

I do.

drachenstern

Between now and then you're going to at some point be like "damnit I could've been done but noooo"

Moshe

@drachenstern That was tonight, btw.

drachenstern

lol, seeeeee

Moshe

03:43

I didn't have the game in iPad form 3 hours ago.

I copied over my code to the iPad portion of the project.

And started changing the graphics.

ircmaxell

Yay! Woot added affiliates!

Moshe

Still wondering if Apple will complain that the two games look completely different.

@ircmaxell Shouldn't that be "Woot! Woot added affiliates!"?

drachenstern

if they're the same app they shouldn't

ircmaxell

yeah

that could increase my revenue slightly (or more than slightly)

Moshe

@drachenstern Apple shouldn't complain, or the app shouldn't look different?

@ircmaxell - got a link to that?

ircmaxell

03:49

woot.com/minions

Right now, I'm just making advertising, but the affiliate (if it works correctly, and I can mangle my links to it) should net me quite a bit

drachenstern

they shouldn't complain

Moshe

Ok. busily goes to finish new UI

ircmaxell

ok, time to finish packing

tty tomorrow

Moshe

@ircmaxell - Not sure where you're going, but have a safe trip and enjoy.

ircmaxell

I'm off to the UK tomorrow

Moshe

03:52

@drachenstern - Here's the current iPhone UI.

...wait for it...

Here's an old on which I made for iPhone, and want to implement for iPad:

...wait for it...

drachenstern

@Moshe protip: we're always waiting for it ;)

Moshe

@drachenstern - see the idea?

drachenstern

iphone or ipad?

Moshe

Okay, those were both iPhone, but the second one is ideally on iPad.

First one is current iPhone.

The second one is the design originally made for iPhone, going to be made for iPad.

drachenstern

Ok, so I like either on the iPhone, or the iPad, but those are just the entry screens. What about actual gameplay? The loading screen is nice and all, but it really has no meat and potatoes.

Moshe

03:57

Okay, hang on... coming up...

drachenstern

I see where you're going, but I think you missed the point of my assignment

Moshe

I don't think I did. The iPad is not done, but i figured I'd show it to you anway.

drachenstern

Ok, well so I don't see why you can't do that screen twice, once for iPhone, once for iPad, or figure out how to downscale it neatly on the device

Moshe

The first one?

drachenstern

does the system support vector graphics? Could look smooth there, and scale nicely ... idk, just a dreamyidea

the second screen

Moshe

03:59

I want the first one on the iPhone regardless, because it's a throwback to Dope Wars, a Palm/Calculator game.

My question is scaling the second one up for the iPad.

drachenstern

but I would drag the "Nippon" and the half-sun ^^^ up on the page, and add a tad more space between the entries

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