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Wikipedia ( or ) is a free, web-based, collaborative, multilingual encyclopedia project supported by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation. Its 17 million articles (over 3.5 million in English) have been written collaboratively by volunteers around the world, and almost all of its articles can be edited by anyone with access to the site. Wikipedia was launched in 2001 by Jimmy Wales and Larry Sanger and has become the largest and most popular general reference work on the Internet, The name ' was coined by Larry Sanger and is a portmanteau from wiki (a technology for creating collaborativ...
@Kev indeed
 
A banana equivalent dose is a concept occasionally used by nuclear power proponents to place in scale the dangers of radiation by comparing exposures to the radiation generated by a common banana. Many foods are naturally radioactive, and bananas are particularly so, due to the radioactive potassium-40 they contain. The banana equivalent dose is the radiation exposure received by eating a single banana. Radiation leaks from nuclear plants are often measured in extraordinarily small units (the picocurie, a millionth of a millionth of a curie, is typical). By comparing the exposure from th...
 
@Josh I had to go all meta on you
 
Drunken noodles (or Pad Kee Mao, less frequently Pad Ki Mao or Pad Kimao, Lao: ຜັດຂີ້ເມົາ; , , ) is a Chinese-influenced dish that was made popular by the Chinese people living in Laos and Thailand. It is a stir fried noodle dish very similar to Phat Si Io, but with a slightly different flavor profile. It is made with broad rice noodles, soy sauce, fish sauce, garlic, meat or tofu, bean sprouts, and various seasonings. Chili and basil give rise to its distinctive spiciness. Drunken fried rice or khao phat khimao is a similar dish. External links *[http://www.templeofthai.com/recipes/...
(Sorry, I'm hungry)
 
@Kev do your cheques come in different colours? ;-)
 
Kev
the banks in the UK and Ireland are doing their utter best to ditch them
 
12:01 AM
Rogan josh (or roghan josh) is an aromatic curry dish hailing from Kashmir and is quite popular in India, Pakistan, Singapore and the United Kingdom. Rogan (روغن) means oil in Persian, while josh (جوش) means heat, hot, boiling, or passionate. Rogan josh thus means cooked in oil at intense heat. Another interpretation of the name rogan josh is derived from the word rogan meaning color and josh meaning passion, hot or red. So this is a meat dish which is red in color. The red color is essential to this dish and to achieve this end kashmiri mirch, which means "pepper from Kashmir" is used. T...
 
Kev
they usually have the bank corp logo. e.g. bank of scotland are light blue, RBS a different shade. each bank different
 
@Josh Ah yes, that's pretty tasty.
 
Boobquake, which took place on April 26, 2010, was devised by Jennifer McCreight, a senior in the Purdue University College of Science, in response to news reports that Hojatoleslam Kazem Seddiqi had blamed women who dress immodestly for causing earthquakes. On April 19, it was reported that Seddiqi advised his listeners that: "Many women who do not dress modestly lead young men astray, corrupt their chastity and spread adultery in society, which increases earthquakes" and Iranians should "adapt their lives to Islam’s moral codes” to avoid being "buried under the rubble". One year prior...
 
I love me my lamb roganjosh!
@DanGrossman WTF!?!?!?!??!
I... I have no words for that
 
You didn't hear about that in the news a while back?
 
12:03 AM
I must have missed that one
 
The pasilalinic-sympathetic compass, also referred to as the snail telegraph, was a contraption built in an attempt to prove the misguided hypothesis that snails create a permanent telepathic link when they touch. The belief was developed by French occultist Jacques Toussaint Benoit and colleague Monsieur Biat-Chretien in the early to mid 19th century. The supposed telepathic bond between the two snails was imagined to have no physical limit, thus making communication possible over any distance. By touching one half of the snail partnership it was suggested that the other snail would ...
 
@DanGrossman those two snails are being dirty!
 
here's something else a little dirty
The Lloyds Bank coprolite is a large human coprolite, or fossilized dung specimen, recovered by archaeologists excavating the Viking settlement of Jórvík (now York) in England. It was found in 1972 beneath the site of what was to become the York branch of Lloyds Bank and may be the largest example of fossilised human faeces ever found. Analysis of the nine-inch (23 cm) long stool has indicated that its producer subsisted largely on meat and bread whilst the presence of several hundred parasitic eggs suggests he or she was riddled with intestinal worms. In 1991, paleoscatologist Andr...
 
And by that, of course I mean they're slithering around in the dirt
 
The Interactive Urinal Communicator is an advertising device invented by bioengineer Dr. Richard Deutsch for the Islip, New York company Wizmark. The 3.5 inch screen is placed in a urinal to promote products or services. Deutsch commented, "Now when nature calls, there is going to be something entertaining to look at and listen to." Features of the advertising include: * Flashing lights that are activated by physical presence, or actual urination * A lenticular image that changes depending on viewpoint * A 16-second pre-recorded audio message * A temperature-sensitive image Deutsch comme...
 
12:07 AM
@DanGrossman "As of 2003, efforts were underway to reconstruct it."
I may be able to help with that...
 
@DanGrossman the article is just ... wow
Is anyone getting any work done right now? I should be but I'm so not
 
__NOTOC__ A chicken gun is a large diameter compressed air cannon used to test the strength of aircraft windshields and the safety of jet engines. A common danger to aircraft is that they collide with birds in flight. Most parts of an aircraft are strong enough to resist such a bird strike. Jet engines may sustain serious damage, however, and cockpit windows are necessarily made of transparent materials and are a vulnerable spot. The chicken gun is designed to simulate high speed bird impacts. It is named after its unusual ammunition: a whole dead standard-sized chicken, as would be used ...
 
@drachenstern I am, though I'm about to go make food I think. :P
 
I just love nerd sniping
The Canard Digérateur, or Digesting Duck, was an automaton in the form of a duck, created by Jacques de Vaucanson in 1739. The mechanical duck appeared to have the ability to eat kernels of grain, and to metabolize and defecate them. While the duck did not actually have the ability to do this - the food was collected in one inner container, and the pre-stored feces was 'produced' from a second, so that no actual digestion took place - Vaucanson hoped that a truly digesting automaton could one day be designed. Voltaire wrote that "without [...] the duck of Vaucanson, you have nothing to ...
 
I'm making cornbread
CO'NBREAD!
cohnbread? :~
 
12:09 AM
@Shog9 I had chili and cornbread the other week, it was pretty decent.
 
@TimStone ya, that's a good combo - I have a little bit of green chili left, so gotta make the compliment
 
(, pl. Ampelmännchen) is the symbolic person shown on traffic lights at pedestrian crossings in the former German Democratic Republic (GDR - East Germany). Prior to the German reunification in 1990, the two German states had different forms for the Ampelmännchen, with a generic human figure in West Germany, and a generally male figure wearing a hat in the east. The Ampelmännchen is a beloved symbol in Eastern Germany, "enjoy[ing] the privileged status of being one of the few features of communist East Germany to have survived the end of the Iron Curtain with his popularity unscathed." A...
 
Voltaire was a badass
@TimStone oh that does sound good tonight, sadly, no cornbread anything at our house, so after shopping
 
@drachenstern I am watching rsync. it's so fun
 
12:14 AM
@DanGrossman the associated article on this is neat.
Thanks @DanGrossman for killing at least 30 minutes of productivity while I wikipedia :( :p
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it's counting files to transfer. it's the most productive I've been all week!
 
@DanGrossman Strangely, I wondered to myself how universal the hand and generic walking dude symbol is last night.
 
> NASA'S Kepler Mission Discovers Its First Rocky Planet
 
@mootinator You need a programming project apparently :-)
 
Kev
any of you folks played with those netduino .NET MF boards?
 
12:16 AM
 
Hey there @Pollyanna, how are you this evening?
 
@Josh I am ambulatory and cogitating. And you?
 
@Pollyanna you're doing one better than me atm ... (someone posted me a new-to-me wikipedia link and now my next half hour is shot :p )
 
@Pollyanna I am sedentary and pensive...
 
@Kev - I'm been thinking about getting one, but too many projects on my plate already. Plus, as nice as c# is, it's kinda overkill for microcontroller work.
 
12:19 AM
oh reddit...
 
That's not really the right word... to English.SE!
 
@Josh which word?
 
@drachenstern pensive
 
@Josh what did you intend to imply?
 
You are a paid member of the "lame stream media" you're always referring to, mom. Fire all of your ghost writers and tweet for yourself :(
 
Kev
12:21 AM
@Pollyanna i have the nd plus and the adafruit motor control board arriving this week. the kids lego technic is getting an upgrade :)
 
@drachenstern that I'm sitting here, anxiously awaiting the results of my server migration and thinking of my next move
@DanGrossman LOL!
 
@DanGrossman - hehehe.
 
@Josh then anxious? fretful?
 
@kev - That sounds like a bit of fun! You'll have to report back on it. I think it's great that all these electronic kits are coming out aimed at a primarily programming audience.
 
@Josh next move in a game or for the servers?
 
12:24 AM
I still need to watch that Arduino documentary...
 
@drachenstern I'm eagerly waiting for his post on english.se so I can answer it...
 
@drachenstern in the game of my servers, LOL
@Pollyanna Haha, I was kidding, but now that you mention it maybe I should, LOL
 
@Pollyanna I've got his account on E.SE pulled up as well, I just hit refresh a moment ago ;)
 
@Josh Alright, you've got two people ready to go! Which answer will you choose? Who will be defeated!
 
Wow, witnessing the creation of a new island funzug.com/index.php/nature/…
 
Kev
12:26 AM
@Pollyanna defo...hopefully the young lad will get interested
 
This list of common or popular misconceptions describes documented, widespread ideas and beliefs which are fallacious, misleading, or otherwise flawed. History Ancient to Early Modern history * In ancient Rome, Romans did not build rooms called vomitoria in which to purge themselves after a meal. Vomitoria were tunnels underneath the seats of a stadium, through which crowds entered and exited. * There is no evidence that Vikings wore horns on their helmets. * There is no evidence that Iron maidens were invented in the Middle Ages or even used for torture, despite being shown so in so...
 
Kev
@DanGrossman what documentary was that? you got a link?
 
@Kev yeah, kids are funny. Sometimes they couldn't care less, other times they are completely engrossed. Good luck!
 
@Pollyanna bah, he's normally one of those "I answered it by phrasing the question" types :p
 
12:26 AM
scroll down for the videos
 
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Q: What's a better word for "pensive" in this situation?

JoshI just used the word "pensive" to describe the feeling of a system administrator's current state, but I don't think that's the right word. I am trying to describe the feeling of waiting for the results of a task; a feeling of anxious anticipation, hoping things will work out for the best but plan...

 
@Josh 'worried'
 
it's more complicated than worried...
 
Kev
@Pollyanna I know, I keep asking him how he's getting on with his Python for Kids book and he somehow wiggles into a new subject...but you can only try
 
@Josh I know. That's why I replied here and not on the site.
 
12:29 AM
ah ok :-)
 
"freehanded circledly worried"
 
@Josh Pensive is a perfectly cromulent word to use in this situation.
 
@radp that's it!
@Pollyanna OK, thanks. I edited because I am not trying to convey sadness. not yet anyway ;-)
I'll be conveying sadness if the rsync fails, that's for sure!
sadness and... other emotions ;-)
 
Discouraged yet hopeful?
 
Kev
@Josh do you have the feeling of embiggening doom?
 
12:33 AM
@Josh - it implies anxiety, which some associate with negative feelings, and so there are those that think of it as sadness, or "soon to be sadness" but technically it's meant only to imply fixed thought on the outcome of a situation now outside one's control.
 
@Kev it's cPanel. So yes I have the feeling of embiggening doom... ;-)
@Pollyanna ok, great, I was correct in my [word-choice] then, thanks!
 
Oh Adam you should use Pollyanna more :p
 
It's a disconcerting switchup :p
 
@Josh Don't hand out the thanks yet, some real english professor may slap me down.
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12:36 AM
frank skepticism
 
@Pollyanna HAHA ok :-)
 
@drachenstern hehehe. I only chose pollyanna for the meta site because there are a few people who think I'm harming SO because I don't ever downvote.
 
Pollyanna is a best-selling 1913 novel by Eleanor H. Porter that is now considered a classic of children's literature, with the title character's name becoming a popular term for someone with the same optimistic outlook. The book was such a success, that Porter soon produced a sequel, Pollyanna Grows Up (1915). Eleven more Pollyanna sequels, known as "Glad Books", were later published, most of them written by Elizabeth Borton or Harriet Lummis Smith. Further sequels followed, including Pollyanna Plays the Game by Colleen L. Reece, published in 1997. Pollyanna has been adapted for film ...
 
@Pollyanna haha, I know, I hear a few more stories just by hanging in the tavern, but still, it's disconcerting :p
 
> Pollyanna's philosophy of life centers on what she calls "The Glad Game", an optimistic attitude she learned from her father.
there's a better quote than that but I can't find it now
I remember seeing the same thing over a year ago and wondering where Adam's name came from :-)
here it is:
> The novel's success brought the term "Pollyanna" (along with the adjective "pollyannaish" and the noun "Pollyannaism") into the language to describe someone who seems always to be able to find something to be "glad" about no matter what circumstances arise.
right @Pollyanna?
 
12:39 AM
@Josh - Ayup, that'd be the definition.
Is it just me, or does the english.se site feel wrong? The question title is connected to the page header, which is obviously shadowed to the page, so it's separate, thus the title seems to be part of the header, and not part of the question? Does that make any sense?
 
Is it odd of us to go to such lengths to try to figure out the right word to use here? :p
@Pollyanna actually I like it better than I do SO </blaspheme>
 
@drachenstern SO does that to people.
 
@Pollyanna That's a very good call
@drachenstern I flagged this as offensive
@drachenstern I caved into peer pressure, to be honest ;-)
 
@Josh lol, thanks I appreciate that
 
@drachenstern no, not at all. I've been trying to strengthen my own vocabulary. I don't have as much time to read as I did many moons ago, and I can actually feel my vocabulary becoming smaller. It's annoying.
 
12:43 AM
@Pollyanna I can relate to that feeling
 
@Pollyanna <insert something about "Shakespeare's vocabulary">
 
Ah, I see the problem. The title has a nice boundary, but the boundary top is hidden behind the page header. Therefore I feel like there's more page content I'm missing because I'm only seeing part of the implied full boundary box around the page title.
@drachenstern I'll admit, it is very pretty. It would take some getting used to, though.
 
@Pollyanna btw is was made by commission
 
@Jin! @Pollyanna has a complaint! ;-)
 
I'm going to post on the meta.english and let the people school me in web design and good taste. It's not a big deal, but it bothers me, so...
 
12:45 AM
check the relevant meta question
later
 
@radp - bye
 
@Pollyanna I actually expected someone to insert a [Citation Needed] because it's generally regarded that way
 
@radp have a good one!
my pensivity may be changing into full blown anxiety, looks like I may have a looooong night ahead:

[root@df04 home]# time rsync -av --progress -x --exclude OLDACCTS 172.16.130.15:/home/ ./
receiving file list ...
777000 files...
 
status-citation-needed
 
12:50 AM
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A: Do we want questions to be migrated from SO to DBA while in beta?

Jeff AtwoodIt is not allowed to migrate questions to a site that is in beta, so no.

what does Jeff mean in the comments, why not?
 
Maybe because the beta can be closed, and you'd have to figure out where to move everything back?
 
@drachenstern Probably because you're still defining what's on-topic, and if you end up folding you dragged those questions down with you
It used to be impossible; now mods can do it, but I imagine he'd get mad if they did
 
@MichaelMrozek that's what I figured
I worry sometimes that he'll remember my username and be all <smite>drachenstern</smite> :p
 
Oh, me too; I'm quite annoying on meta
 
@drachenstern *burninate
 
12:54 AM
@Josh I almost feel sorry for you, but I did my time as a sysadmin. Suck it up, and be a man!
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LOL
@Pollyanna Don't feel sorry for me. Just wish me luck ;-)
 
@Josh Good luck!
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Q: The title border is partially hidden by the page header

Adam DavisI'm exposed to the interface for the first time, and I have this strange feeling that the page is incomplete somehow. After scratching my head and considering the layout and design, I realized that the question title border is partly hidden by the drop-shadowed page header. It looks incomplete...

 
Something's been nagging me about the Unix design too, I finally figured it out: it's not up yet :(
 
@MichaelMrozek LOL. Same here
 
I got an employer message on SO Careers that starts with "looking for softwarecraftsman"... wtf is a softwarecraftsman?!
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1:00 AM
The flagged star is becoming the unofficial Tavern mascot:
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I see it way too often here
 
who the hell is flagging crap? (... wait for it ...) I'm sure this'll get flagged too :p
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@DanGrossman If you were a true softwarecraftsman you'd already know the answer to that
@drachenstern Apparently enough people to get it removed
 
must be one of those words the xp/agile camp keeps making up
 
Good evening
There have been complaints from neighbours about flags
Frivolous flags
 
turns on auto oy starring
 
1:02 AM
I like the flagged star
 
@Pekka It wasn't me. I SWEAR!
 
That is a brilliant chat mascot
@Josh This is a classical "whodunit"
 
And by "I swear", I mean as in: Damn, that was clever of me!
 
I shall embark on the quest of finding out who cast the flag
by interviewing every single member present.
 
Just kick everyone until the flagging stops
 
1:03 AM
@MichaelMrozek that is an interesting strategy.
 
My laptop has a mind of it's own.
I wouldn't be surprised if I flagged it.
 
ow, OW! STOP KICKING ME!!!! stopppp!
 
I should be working instead of hanging out on chat
I shall use my awesome powers and declare all flags moot
And then vanish into the night.
 
Ah, Shog already did the un-flagging. Fair enough.
 
1:04 AM
@Pekka I've been saying that for months
 
@MichaelMrozek why isn't that flag a better one? :p
 
@Josh We need a new chat room "Chat users anonymous"
 
The server isn't responding when I try to vote on this flag, but it makes a new loading indicator every time I click the button:
 
Jeff needs to ban us from chat so we can earn our living
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1:05 AM
@Michael that is because Shog (I think) removed them already
 
status-bydesign
 
@Pekka Since when can Shog remove flags?
 
@Pekka or just hire us... ;-)
 
@MichaelMrozek He can't?
 
He's not a meta mod
Unless something changed drastically in the last hour or so
 
1:06 AM
@MichaelMrozek hahahahaha, sorry bout that then :p
 
@MichaelMrozek but neither am I, and I can vote to dismiss flags?
 
@drachenstern I want to set this as my Gravatar
 
@Josh Go for it sir
 
@Pekka Oh, yes; I thought you meant he just cleared it. A single 10k vote doesn't eliminate it
 
@MichaelMrozek ah, fair enough, didn't know that.
 
1:07 AM
@Pekka shhhhhh
speaking of earning a living ...
 
@Josh I'd like to see him hire Welbog first. That would make a dream team.
 
what's the best way in SQL to randomly assign a number 1 to 4 to a row, and to run that in an update statement?
If only there were a site to ask such a question
 
@drachenstern alas, there isn't
 
@drachenstern I believe you should use jQuery for this
 
There are four of them
@Josh good point
Anyway. I have to run. See you later @all!
 
1:09 AM
@drachenstern UPDATE table SET col = FLOOR(RAND() * 4 + 1);
 
Is it floor I need?
I was just running tests with this select CAST(RAND() * 4 AS INT) + 1 and it seemed to be doing what I wanted, was about to wrap it in a CTE and then run comparison counts to make sure
 
That works too
 
It'll suck to get a five tho so I'll floor it, that seems the better idea
 
Well, casting to an INT is going to truncate I assume; it should work out the same
 
@drachenstern You'd never get a one that way, or exceedingly rarely
Ah, bollocks, that's not true
I need to get to work instead of posting incorrect answers
later
 
1:12 AM
@Pekka hence what I'm doing :p
 
@Pekka have a good one!
 
I like that he came back for that edit
 
later
 
@drachenstern later to Pekka or you're leaving?
 
to pekka, it had me on retry so I hit ctrlspace to clear it
 
1:14 AM
ah OK
OK, rsync finally started... server load on the source 10.9! EEEK!
 
better than naught tho
comments pedantic or wrong or what?
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A: Synonyms and Redundant Tags

drachensternsynonyms dual oracle because I don't think anyone else has a "dual" in their implementation do they?

my Casual usage on E.SE is about to trump my Intent usage on dba.SE :\
 
@drachenstern It sounds like he didn't know what tag synonyms are
The existence of that question seems like a pretty big failure of the tag synonym system
 
@MichaelMrozek doh this set everything to the same value ... a new approach is needed
 
1:33 AM
It's weird seeing @RebeccaChernoff's name at the bottom of the activity list. Who knew working for SO would make her chat less
 
@MichaelMrozek I was thinking that earlier
I'm about to pass hr and I've been chatting less than usual!
 
I say remove "for so" and go from there ;)
 
bazinga
 
In other news, I'm very much not winning at WF:
...I loathe Linux clipboards.
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:444300 I was reading that!
 
1:38 AM
There we go
We're like two turns in and he's destroying me. I think we need to play an everyone vs. Fosco game
 
ARGH, I don't think the NameVirtualHost s on this new server are working correctly
I'm going to go grab some food, hopefully that will make my brain work
@MichaelMrozek Good luck in your game!
 
[]
Why yes cat, I did want to type that. Thanks for saving me the effort of pressing the keys
 
@MichaelMrozek Well considering I mostly chatted during the day when I was avoiding the work I didn't want to do at my old job... (;
 
@RebeccaChernoff gasps in massively hypocritical horror
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1:50 AM
o:
 
Very rounded/binary, hooray.
 
@TimStone Woo!
Investigate the number of upvotes and downvotes on posts! The word is your oyster
 
I know! No longer will I get angry that hovering over the vote number only brings up the text selection cursor.
 
What is the "(audit)" portion of the snapshot?
 
It's from a userscript; it just links to /reputation
 
1:55 AM
Aye.
 
Why the hell would people want to stick commas like this?
var holder = document.getElementById('graph')
  , width = holder.scrollWidth
  , height = Math.round(width * 0.5625) + 25
  , p = Raphael(10, 50, width, height)
  , c = p.circle(p.width - 50, p.height - 50, 50);
 
@YiJiang I've seen that before. They think it looks nice and ordered. (They're wrong)
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Kev
@YiJiang looks like a MS SQL DBA writing javascript, they're prone to that wierd comma placement in their sprocs
 
@Kev Yeah, scripts in my project used to be like that. Thanks to my vigilance, comma placement is now completely inconsistent.
Except I think the point of it is to make it harder to make a misplaced comma mistake when adding a new column, etc. where database scripts are concerned, rather than having anything to do with looking nice.
 
I worked with someone who would do that. "But it makes it so easy to comment out a line!"
 
2:10 AM
Hurray, I'm no longer banned.
 
From the book Simply SQL:
> I use leading commas as a coding style convention to make SQL queries more readable and maintainable. The importance of readability and maintainability can't be overstated. For example, see if you can spot the two coding errors in this hypothetical query:
SELECT
  first_name,
  last_name,
  title
  position,
  staff_id,
  group,
  region,
FROM
  staff
> Now see if you can spot the coding errors here:
SELECT
  first_name
, last_name
, title
  position
, pay_scale
, group
, region
,
FROM
  staff
> ...In addition, leading commas are easier to handle if you edit your SQL in a text editor with a keyboard.
 
@Pollyanna Eh... were you ever?
 
@YiJiang Yeah. It confused me at first, but as best as I can tell it stems from a motivational poster style image I posted that has a swear word in it. Unfortunately there's no good feedback, so I can only guess.
@YiJiang - I should clarify that I was banned from chat, not from SO, etc
 
@RebeccaChernoff That's the argument newline-brace-advocates use. They're also wrong
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@DanGrossman That's interesting, I'd never seen that convention before.
 
2:16 AM
@Pollyanna Was it a bear who likes cocaine?
 
@Pollyanna Oh, right, I got that once too, when I posted a erm... slightly disturbing image of @RebeccaChernoff's face.
The community elected to remove it themselves.
 
@MichaelMrozek was not saying they were correct. (:
@YiJiang the sad thing here is that my first thought was "which one"
 
@MichaelMrozek I agree!
 
@mootinator hehe, no, it was a knife sandwich.
 
@Pollyanna The manwich?
 
2:18 AM
@RebeccaChernoff There was, ever only one :D that got enough flags to get me suspended for a while from chat
But hey, let's try that again (goes off searching for the flashing million question banner)
 
@mootinator Ayup. I quite enjoy it, but I suppose I'm going to have to edit it if I want to use it here again.
 
I have a compulsive desire to onebox animals covered in snow who love cocaine.
 
@YiJiang binding vote...binding vote...
 
I have no idea why.
 
@RebeccaChernoff And so our lil' blue mod girl get's trigger happy
 
2:21 AM
@RebeccaChernoff Your having that ability just motivates him further :P
 
nah, just making an observation. q:
@TimStone heh.
 
@RebeccaChernoff Rrrrrrrrright. Just an observation.
 
@RebeccaChernoff We've added keeping track of things that I've debugged so that balpha doesn't accidentally duplicate my efforts to your list of things to do, by the way. And by we, I mean me, just now.
 
2:23 AM
You know, that really does work, doesn't it?
 
I'm glad there's a less flag attracting version out there.
 
@RebeccaChernoff I figure it's better than me screaming ;)
@mootinator Heheh
 
user image
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Am I doing it right?
 
@TimStone oy.
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Clearly people should be closing dupes better so that balpha sees your fixes. (:
 
Apparently he didn't close it until after he fixed the problem, heheh.
 
2:30 AM
@Pollyanna :)
 
comes in to star various "Oy"s
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and several other things
 
I wonder what my cat would do with snow.
 
@Pekka Hahah, aren't you supposed to be working? ;)
 
@TimStone I decided I'm done for today
 
@Pekka I find the recent lack of starred oys to be slightly disturbing. (Imagines @RebeccaChernoff wiping out every one of those she sees with an evil laugh)
 
2:33 AM
I managed to finish everything important.
 
Given the hour, I suppose that's pretty reasonable :)
 
@Pekka I often decide that by 10, 10:30 in the morning
 
@YiJiang yeah!
@MichaelMrozek I will, too, very soon!
 
@Pekka Ah, so you're finally caught up on farmville, eh?
 
Powah!! I have teh Powah!! Take that you puny Tavern meme!! Starz be gone!!!
 
2:33 AM
@Pollyanna No, I'm heading for unemployment :)
Or, as the euphemism goes, between jobs - although in my case, what comes next is yet to be determined!
@TimStone yup, absolutely!
 
@YiJiang I thought starring oys just jumped the shark when I wrote that userscript to star oy.
 
Hey. I have only unpinned one item. And I don't think anyone in here can fault me for that!
 
I have that effect on memes.
 
@RebeccaChernoff Negatory.
We are faulting you for that.
 
@pekka That's exciting! You can make your own startup now.
 
2:35 AM
@Pollyanna no thanks, I'm quitting my first one, I'm not starting one any more :)
 
@Pekka Ah, you've finally learned your lesson then? The path to the startup is one of infinite pain?
@Pekka So do you have something else lined up, or are you going to take a break?
 
@Pollyanna heh, yeah! :) Well, my first priority is to change industries. No more programming for me. I'm open about the form of employment (Freelance or steady) if push comes to shove but steady will be preferred
@Pollyanna I'm going to take a government-supported break (officially "unemployed and seeking new job") starting Jan 31st but I'll be searching pretty actively during that time
 
@Pekka No more programming? That's blasphemy around here! ;)
 
@TimStone Heh! :)
Once I have a job, I'll take a longer break as soon as possible, I haven't had a proper holiday in years
 
@Pekka - Fun! I quit my job last april, and am still trying to make consulting work out. So what industry are you aiming for, if not programming?
I quit because I the vacation time was terrible. I don't know if companies understand how important that is...
If my business fails, at minimum I got a 9 month vacation at home with my family, and given that my kids are still pre-teens, it actually may make a difference...
 
2:41 AM
@Pollyanna I'm searching mainly in the tourism and culture fields here in the city. My dream job would be something outside with lots of contact with people, and lots of english... But I'm relatively open for anything interesting, and I'm sending out a lot of applications to companies that might be interested
@Pollyanna Companies are so dumb. Who says people need to work 8 hours a day, and take only minimal holidays?
I know sooo many people who would be happy to earn less, but have more free time
Which is just as well for the employer in the end
But with happier employees
@Pollyanna Sweet! That sounds good either way. Are you freelancing? Do you have partners?
 
@Pekka No. When I discussed it with my dad, the best analogy I could come up with is, "Well, I'm going to jump off a cliff, and see if I can build a plane while I'm falling and hope people throw down the parts I need."
 
@Pollyanna heh! Well, sometimes, that's what you have to do.
 
I do freelance embedded system design - mostly smallish electronics and microcontroller based projects. I've recently taken on a bit of ios development to pad out the time between embedded projects.
 
@Pollyanna Do you have a separate office, or do you work at home?
 
I do work with one small collective on some projects, and my ios work is through another company, but mostly just on my own.
I work from home. Have a few hundred square feet in my basement for my workbenches and tools.
 
2:46 AM
@Pollyanna that saves a lot of money
 
Yeah. I did a project for a local co-working space, and even those places are expensive. But better than money, I save a bunch of time being able to simply walk downstairs, not deal with traffic, not have to take lunch breaks, etc.
I'm quickly learning I'm not as disciplined as I would like to be, though. Nothing like being your own boss to show your flaws.
 
@Pollyanna yeah! If at all possible (i.e. if not disturbed by kids), it's the best solution in so many ways.
@Pollyanna Tell me about it
And you pay for your own flaws, which is why I think it's a very rewarding experience
 
So why tourism and culture? Seems like you'd be taking a pretty big pay cut...
 
@Pollyanna Oh wow, I've always thought that'd be an interesting line of work. Never had an opportunity to try anything like that myself, though.
@RebeccaChernoff The game has changed ;)
 
@Tim Stone I enjoyed both computers and electronics since I was a kid. To me software and hardware are two sides of the same coin. Unfortunately industry keeps them separate, so you either have to choose electrical engineering, or software engineering. I did some of both, then decided if I wanted to dabble in the space inbetween, I had to make my own job. It is fun, for some values of fun.
 
2:54 AM
@Pollyanna I'm a bit tired of programming, and have been wanting to do something new for a long time. I've always been drawn to those fields, and it's time for me to find out how a living can be made there :)
 
@Pekka As long as you like people you'll be able to make a living in tourism. I suspect that once you get there, you'll get an itch to program. Chances are good you can combine the two and do even better - lots of people buy iOS tourism related apps, for instance. Who knows...
 
@Pollyanna Yeah, you never know! Although it's not the plan - I have an inkling I may be away from the profession for good. We shall see.
One thing my self employment has taught me during the tougher stretches was to live on a few euros a day, so I can get by with fairly little if need be... Although of course I hope to find something that pays halfway decently not too far in the future.
 
@Pekka Well good luck, wherever the wind blows you.
 

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