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2:00 PM
@bummi what about it?
 
The question is not asking for a commercial solution and he is advertising his service
 
But what you want us to see in your comment?
Check the answerer SEO rank?
 
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: FIELD & RECORD SEPAPATOR IN AWK by user133748 on unix.stackexchange.com
 
no, just showing he's the SEO of the site
 
(you linked to your comment, not the answer, so I thought you want some feedback on the comment itself)
 
2:02 PM
sorry :(
 
> Carsten Rhod Gregersen > CEO
Well, kind of obvious he's promoting his own product :)
 
@bummi I left a comment
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: Matlab insert image(.jpg) file to word file by user2879554 on stackoverflow.com
 
Huh, so diplomatic, @rene.
 
I'm a nice guy ... until they try it a second time...
 
2:09 PM
lol
Then you become a Mad Flower
 
@rene I agree, but my candidate list is growing fast ...
 
Yes, I admit I missed your Sherlock Holmes capacity the last few months ;)
 
I missed this site, while being sure that I'm not realy needed here
 
@ShadowWizard We are not ignoring code blocks... so not sure.
 
@ProgramFOX time to investigate? :)
 
2:19 PM
Uhm... how does this feature work actually... :P
Well I can see what's up, @Sha: there's no bug, it's just the repetitive HTML code that causes the low amount of unique chars.
 
@ProgramFOX not sure I understand... a single tag <span> is 6 unique characters.
And there are more tags there.
 
But the < and the > are repeated many times, and so are some chars of "span".
 
hmm...
So great many questions on SO should have been reported, having such code blocks
 
Most questions don't have only a code block anyway.
 
Such help.
I don't get why teachers write crap like this…
 
2:31 PM
:o
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: pura-bella-skin-care by jhonson on drupal.stackexchange.com
 
@bjb568 Checkpoints for how to be annoying?
 
 
...
 
. . .
 
2:33 PM
@Sha Okay, now I'm clueless. It shouldn't report posts with more than 100 chars if they have more than 15 unique chars... while this one has 46 unique chars, which is calculated using the very same Python code.
 
@ProgramFOX should we summon The Manish then? :P
 
@bjb568 Wonders about step one and two ... and four and five for that matter
 
huh, he's pingable here!
 
@ProgramFOX It must be a gub since you say it's definitely not a bug.
 
@ShadowWizard It was Normal Human who wrote the code IIRC.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. :P
 
2:35 PM
@ProgramFOX oh, so summoning him should be easier, no?
 
> Step One: Gather all of your tests and quizzes that are necessary to study. If you don’t have these pages for some reason, you need to ask a friend to make a copy of theirs. This is only if they agree to help you.
 
@Normal they wanna summon you.
 
> Step Two: Take a highlighter and go through each of the tests and quizzes in Step One and highlight the necessary questions. Only these questions listed will be used for the final exam. It is NOT guaranteed that each of these questions will be seen on the test, however, no other questions will be added.
 
@ShadowWizard You can do it if you feel the need to.
 
@Norm there's an anomaly in Smoky can you please check?
 
2:35 PM
> huge list of questions numbers
 
status-done
;)
 
@SmokeDetector why
 
@ProgramFOX Post - Contains 4 unique characters
 
Hmm...
 
O_O
 
2:36 PM
@Sha Okay, most plausible reason: ninja edit
 
@ProgramFOX but see down my original confusion, I linked to the source as seen by the bot
 
Hmm
 
Isn't this the source of what triggered the alarm? ^
 
I'm not sure. :P cc @Undo
 
@ManishBot why?
huh, old bot doesn't have it
 
2:39 PM
... of course not
it isn't even running
 
hmm...
 
And if it would, that post is so old that it wouldn't have the data anymore
(the post is even too old to even have the why data for it)
 
@SmokeDetector why?
 
@ShadowWizard There is no why data for that post (anymore).
 
Only 4 months old
 
2:41 PM
Why would we store why data for 4 months?
 
To build a better spam bot?
CONSPIRACY THEORY! Smokey is really a spam bot in training
whispers I knew it
 
There's no auto-training anymore. The failed gibberish classifier experiment has been killed a few weeks ago.
 
You misspelled "yet" as "anymore"
 
*Bayesian classifier
@Andy Well, there sorta was auto-training, it just never left beta and was never ready for that :P
 
I've just tried to help new users about creating tables with unicode:
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A: Is there any markdown to create tables?

PandyaYou can create table by using Box Drawing Unicode. This answer helps the new users about the required box-drawing Unicode uses with Unicode-Key. For creating Table, the following Unicode are essential: 1. Two lines: Horizontal         ━     U+2503 Vertical             ┃     U+2501 2. Four ...

Hope this helps :D
 
2:45 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: ORACLE DATE TIME TO DATETIME by Mally on stackoverflow.com
 
I'll just go with LaTeX, thankyouverymuch.
 
@ProgramFOX so for how long is it stored?
 
@ShadowWizard It stores the last 100 posts IIRC.
 
@Pandya interesting idea, I must admit! ♫
@ProgramFOX hmm... guess that's enough.
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: Can some one tell me how www.catchvideo.net works? by asmitB on stackoverflow.com
 
2:58 PM
@SmokeDetector ಠ_ಠ
On hold anyway.
SD ignore-
 
3:29 PM
sure Smoky isn't case sensitive?
SD ignore
 
@ShadowWizard [:4308558] Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.
 
good
!!/coFfeE
 
@ShadowWizard brews coffee for @ShadowWizard
 
3:46 PM
@ShadowWizard yEs
 
yeah, tested this
 
4:14 PM
@ShadowWizard I am strongly tempted to reply "We don't need royal hats, we need princess wings"
 
@Derpy what's stopping you? ;)
 
I have left my fireproof gear at home.
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: Should I write my own forum software? by john on stackoverflow.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating characters in answer: How many characters can be mapped with Unicode? by user5665259 on stackoverflow.com
 
4:57 PM
Is there an SEDE query that will slow all questions closed by a specific off topic sub-reason, instead of just the general "Off Topic..." parent option?
 
. . . @rene?
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating characters in answer: Valence band and conduction band, trying to get a clear picture! by manueljohnson on physics.stackexchange.com
 
@Andy I don't think we have that data
@Andy but maybe this helps
 
I found the most carcinogenic thing ever: openstudy.com/study
lel there's a user on the library system that's a bot called Circulation Desk, so under finds you'll see "Performed by Desk, Circulation" :p
 
Thanks @rene. I can make the API dance for me in this case
 
5:12 PM
In other news, Bash Deemed Questionable by Overzealous School Blockers?
 
@bjb568 Your use of Bash deemed questionable.
 
:o
uses zsh instead
 
> “I’m not a fan of teaching to the test,” said Cook, “I think creativity is so important. Training the mind how to think is so important. Teaching to the test, to me, is too much about memorization. In a word where you’ve got all the information you’ve got right here,” Cook gestured to my iPhone, “your ability to memorize what year a war was won and all this kind of stuff isn’t very relevant.”
(Tim Cook)
 
Good luck telling that to the examiner.
Those are stuff everyone believes in, and no one does.
 
5:22 PM
Meh, it does describe my personal study habits. Or lack thereof.
I just pay attention in class and understand the concepts.
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Postgresql missing text search configuration by mrequillart on stackoverflow.com
 
@SmokeDetector ignore-
 
5:37 PM
@Andy OK, cool
 
Shouldn't websites for teams not be nofollow'd?
 
Why?
Oh, do you mean on the teams pages?
I'm glad you asked that, @Iain: in the past 30 days, 6355 distinct users have posted something on chat.SO, 4256 on chat.SE, and 354 on chat.MSE. So chat participation is somewhere around 1-2% of active main-site users. — Shog9 ♦ 31 mins ago
I'm surprised at how low those numbers are. I was expecting above 1-2%
 
Much as some chatters want to play populists when criticized, chat is the smokey back room of the site.
 
> smokey
Probably unintentional, but... :P
 
ok, ok, sometimes it's Smokey's front room as well.
 
5:49 PM
The bigger question is, what exactly are we planning to change, @Shog?
Just some FAQ?
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. the FAQ does need to be updated, but honestly having the discussion - in public, in front of everyone - is a lot more important than the outcome.
 
I came late to the party, and I don't see a need to participate in the comments section and make it a bigger mess than it is, but I have a feeling we're approaching it too generally for it to be useful.
Most of those answerers have a point, yet their answers have so little in common.
 
It's different areas that they feel need to be at least looked at during this examination.
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. it's been approached in detail repeatedly over the years. Folks who wanna pretend chat is something other than what it is ignore the detail. So again, the discussion is more important than any individual conclusions.
You carve out a space and let people enter it - physically or on the 'Net - and you become responsible for what happens to them.
 
....well they do have a little responsibility for themselves, I hope. It's their choice to enter the space.
 
5:54 PM
@S.L.Barth those are not mutually-exclusive responsibilities
 
Ok, then we're in agreement.
 
If someone comes into my house and starts harassing my other guests, they're at fault; if I don't make them stop, I'm also at fault.
 
True. Good moderation makes a lot of difference. I've noticed on the (not-so-)social networks that a lack of moderation can turn a good place into a flamefest.
 
what's concerned me about several of the most recent blow-ups in various chatrooms isn't that they weren't moderated effectively... It's that the folks in those rooms took offense to the idea that chat should be moderated at all.
You can desire unmoderated chat; heck, I see the appeal... But if that's what you want, you're a long way from home.
 
I guess it's harder to moderate chat than to moderate the main site, because chat is real-time.
 
6:01 PM
@Shog9 I think a problem we have here is how to define an offensive message, as suggested by some stuff in the post.
People define 'offensive' differently.
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. of course they do. People are offended by many varied things.
 
For some people the mere existence of the, say, F-word implies vulgarity.
 
You can't hope to go through life and never offend anyone
You can, of course, not go out of your way to offend them
And you can certainly, once you realize you're being bothersome, stop
 
Furthermore, SE is international and many users are non-native.
Hence, what you get is an edit suggestion on your post.
The ends of the spectrum are what that bother us: People who are bothered by the slightest off-the-seminar expression they hear, and people who believe others shouldn't ever take offense since "i wazn't sirious anywayz".
 
heh
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. that's usually not a problem. Unless, again, there's an effort made to make it a problem.
Kit and Wad talk about this in various places in that thread
 
6:06 PM
@Shog9 I think I'm in the don't moderate camp but I do have In absence of all Room Owners, the members lead by example. in our guidance. But I do realize that requires that you have enough people in the room that set the example you're looking for
 
So I think if we're trying to approach this objectively, we should prolly let go of trying to define parameters by offenses taken and vulgarity and stuff.
@rene Examples? The recent sci-fi chat drama told me chat regs can't sometimes be good examples.
@SmokeDetector Smokey would you mind . . . ? Adults and molecules are talking here.
 
@SmokeDetector f
 
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps body: Inverse Laplace Transform of s^1/2 by Abdulrhman Ghubbar on math.stackexchange.com
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. FYI, that "f" was not meant as the f-word ;-)
 
@S.L.Barth Too late I flagged.
 
6:11 PM
@rene implies a good point and one I think I made it too, Room Owners are generally trying to keep thing civil but don't have all the tools to do so. Users look to the room owners for guidance and they can do little more than provide a good example.
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. sure, recent events show that things can spiral out of control
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. worth noting that some folks in some rooms can talk about seemingly anything without causing problems... Whereas others seem to kick up dust sipping tea. The attitude - both toward the topic and especially toward others - makes a much bigger difference than the topic itself.
 
I agree. It's not the language, it's the attitudes users have toward each other.
 
Flagging is as much of a problem as the attitude.
 
The "Be nice" policy also applies to chat. Problem is that some people don't follow it.
 
6:13 PM
e.g. ELU chat
 
@Andy The lack of eye contact might be an issue in noticing the correct attitudes, though
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I think that's part of the attitude. "You flagged me, now I'm going to flag you"
 
@Andy That's not what I meant. In ELU chat, someone flagged a message with some vulgar stuff from five years ago.
 
@rene Agreed. I/you/everyone can be a big angry dog behind a computer screen.
 
The result was the loss of Robusto, one of ELU's primary contributors.
Everyone was happy with having that message around.
 
6:14 PM
I thought there was a limit to how far back you could flag a message.
 
Thing is, sometimes the only person happy with the moderation is the flagger.
Hehe I remember I got suspended in chat too.
 
However, searching months/years old transcripts for certain words to flag shouldn't be allowed. I agree.
 
People come and go and validate flags for a single message out of context, and there goes a yummy one for 30 minutes.
 
Were they searching for it, or did they just come across it and didn't notice the date?
 
Seems like a starting point @Shog. ^^^
@S.L.Barth It's most likely a troll who searched for it.
ELU just got some drama concerning a bunch of them lately.
 
6:18 PM
It's crazy to suspend someone over a chat message from 5 years ago. Suspension is meant to teach something. Not to punish for a transgression from years past.
 
Just prevent flagging from the transcript. Only use it as a mean to delete stuff
 
Yes, don't allow flags on chat messages older than, say, two weeks.
 
I always lose that NAA answer on MSO about NAA's
 
But back to the topic. How do you change attitude and keep it within norms in a place that you don't want to be moderated that heavily?
 
forget it, found it
now, back to my final D:
 
6:21 PM
You already said it yourself, @rene - lead by example.
 
@rene search broken window, normalization of the aberration and leadership
there you go
 
@rene Well, people feel it home after a bunch of visits, so they become less careful of what they say. IMO your question is like "how can we change people?" We can't. The fact that I became a chat reg but don't try to offend anyone I see in order to look cool reflects back to my personality.
 
I don't think changing people is what we're trying to do. But we do occassionally correct each other.
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. but you can influence them, and dammit I should just close the tab
 
@Braiam Hey, I have a big exam tomorrow too, and I don't feel like continuing to study it. :(
 
7:01 PM
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. that was not about a 5 year old message being flagged.
 
@Shog9 That's not what I heard.
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. no idea who told you that, but I reviewed that whole thing after the fact. Absolutely not about old messages being flagged.
 
Eh?
OK.
But IIRC it was not one person who said that.
Anyway @TCh knows more, if he ever feels inclined to share what happened with you.
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. there may be multiple confused people then.
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
7:04 PM
How do I leave the Documentation thing? I don't have the time to contribute and I've had enough of the constant notifications from it.
 
@JeroenVannevel leave as in... delete your account? Just stop getting notified of stuff? Something in between?
 
stopping the notifications would suffice
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: Spring @PropertySource using YAML by M&#252;jdat Başt&#252;rk on stackoverflow.com
 
@JeroenVannevel you should probably ask that question on docs-beta.stackexchange.com so that others can benefit from it
@Andy there is
I forget what, but AFAIK it's pretty short
 
Ok. I thought there was too, but @Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.'s message indicated otherwise.
 
7:11 PM
I'M INNOCENT
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: What kind of government did Aristotle consider the best? by user18350 on philosophy.stackexchange.com (@Unihedron)
 
@Andy again, @Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. is confused and hangs out with confused people. ;-P
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Q: Disable flagging on old chat messages

staticxIn response to the effect this question is referring, I am proposing one of two possible scenarios: Disallow flags on chat messages older than X hours, or Remove old flagged posts from the transcript, but no suspension occurs (as in the aforementioned question).

15 days, unless we changed that since '11 (possible)
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in title: Javaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa by Kaitlyn C on stackoverflow.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in body: Would someone help in decoding this text? by Chessy on stackoverflow.com
 
@Andy Should smokey's tpu be reserved for spam and offensive?
I just tpu'd that last item.
Anybody else, feel free to chime in.
 
7:27 PM
@LynnCrumbling tpu should be used when you want to make sure the next post from the user will get reported.
 
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Excellent. Thank you :)
 
So anything from spam and rude to "sdfghjfdfghjfgh" should be 'tpu'd'.
@LynnCrumbling Anytime!
 
7:51 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in body: Why aren't both variables undefined? by triku on stackoverflow.com
 
 
1 hour later…
8:53 PM
Hello. Is there an SE site where it would be approperiate to ask about using a household washing machine practically?
 
I probably get suspended if I say LifeHacks ....
So I don't...
 
There's a suspended "Home Automation" site, but that probably wouldn't have been approperiate either.
 
I have one request from search: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/60029/… but that would bring you to Area 51
 
@rene I have no problem with Area 51, but that question confirms there's no site for this. The proposal it links to is gone.
I was imagining something more broad than household appliances by the way, such as a site for household tasks or something.
 
Yeah, I think I understand what you need but there isn't anything I could recommend now.
 
9:05 PM
nudges @rene Do it... "lifehacks" ...
 
@b_jonas The best I can offer is browsing over this result but it will be more for entertainment then an answer to your question.
@LynnCrumbling :D
 
-12
Q: Show OPs if someone is answering, live

maq Possible Duplicate: When answering, could we be informed that “the following people are already answering this question”? I ask a lot of question on SO, so this recommendation/idea comes from that experience. I'm not really sure how this would fit in with the current structure of SE. ...

I'm voting to reopen this question because this question is asking for the OP to be told, whereas the dupe is asking for everyone to be told. — ᔕᖺᘎᕊ 1 min ago
Does anyone agree??
can it be reopened?
 
@rene says you can ask it on lifehacks.
 
ROFL
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. star-walled for ...you know... posterity.
 
@rene Well sure, you can certainly ask some questions about washing machines in Electric Engineering SE. But I'm not trying to repair a washing machine.
 
9:08 PM
Yep, true, as I expected, NAA
 
@LynnCrumbling No really, he told me privately.
 
I'll consider asking on a non-SE part of the internet.
 
i.e. shouted directly from Netherlands to Iran.
 
Oh... well then...
 
@b_jonas Suicide mission it is, no?
I'll bet Yahoo Panzers™ will have the greatest hospitality.
 
9:24 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps answer: How can I move a word within a string? by user5666335 on stackoverflow.com
 
@vogel612 ACK - We're taking a look now, thanks for the heads up!
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Email in body: Site Mailbox creation alert by cheffx1265 on sharepoint.stackexchange.com
 
@SmokeDetector indeed: pinterest.com/jacegilson
 
10:13 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: BB10 DEV C++ OBJECT TO QML by Jack on stackoverflow.com
 
at least VLQ (maybe worse, I won't judge) webapps.stackexchange.com/a/87548/45867
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: Get iCloud emails to Gmail by Allagui Nassira on webapps.stackexchange.com
 
@IlmariKaronen could you give me an idea what is said there?
 
I'm glad you asked that, @Iain: in the past 30 days, 6355 distinct users have posted something on chat.SO, 4256 on chat.SE, and 354 on chat.MSE. So chat participation is somewhere around 1-2% of active main-site users. — Shog9 ♦ 5 hours ago
 
10:27 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user: Get iCloud emails to Gmail by Allagui Nassira on webapps.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user: Get iCloud emails to Gmail by Allagui Nassira on webapps.stackexchange.com
 
@bummi It... seems to be mostly nonsense, written in poor English. From the phrases used, I'd guess it's a bored schoolkid.
 
thank's the second post made the trolling clear
 
You joke, @Mysticial, but... Chat has traditionally consumed an awful lot of resources relative to its size, and that's... not getting better. I'm really hoping to avoid having to face that decision. — Shog9 ♦ 4 hours ago
combing through that post & its answers is kinda depressing.
 
@hichris123 :O
 
At least everything is all unicorns and rainbows and spam in the Tavern!
 
10:38 PM
and Bart. Don't forget Bart.
Bah, I seem to be having an on-and-off problem with loading meta.
 
AND STARS AND BOTS!
 
In other news...
this is an interesting question:
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Q: Two years later: How has moving the Meta link affected Meta usage?

SevenSidedDieTwo years ago the link to a site's Meta was moved from an always-visible position in the top bar to subitems in the help and Site Switcher menus, as part of the top bar redesign progressively rolled out in November and December 2013. Shog9 quite fairly noted at the time: The bigger concern h...

Wonder the same about chat, since it used to have its own link prominent in the top bar.
 
In other news…
3
Q: Does the mind only conceive of one object at a time?

Chosen OneIs there a way to determine if the mind conceives of only one object at a time? This is not to say that the mind only perceives of one thing at a time, but rather that it can think of only one thing at a time. Our predicate knowledge might be an indication of this. For example, when we say 'the d...

 
Back in the days of the supercollider...
 
Crap HNQ philosophy question isn't even about philosophy.
 
10:57 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: HELP MY LENOVO TABLET FROZE! by Cara le Roux on android.stackexchange.com (@AndrewT.)
 
user202362
11:25 PM
Last night, a rather unusual question hit me: is the a correlation between being a troll, especially an elite one and extroversion? Or ... are there any outstanding trolls introvert?
 
user202362
As a 3rd person point of view of course.
 
user202362
I am not being a troll right now of course, just ... constant curiosity. I was going to start a philosophy question on climate change summit & classic case of free rider problem in economics. But my previous experience taught me that I would only be getting textbook answers and probably nothing with deep insight that I was hoping for.
 
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