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5:06 PM
@JasonC no they don't
@S.L.Barth :D
What will arrive sooner, new nav deployment (graduating from beta) or WinterBash?
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. HATS ARE AWESOME. Winter Bash will begin in 18 days, 6 hours, 48 minutes and 5 seconds. :D
5:12 PM
Bah, that's 3 days less than 3 weeks.
@NormalHuman less awful than it used to be, I admit
!!/unnotify 89 programmers.stackexchange.com
@Unihedron I will no longer ping you if I report a post of programmers.stackexchange.com, in room 89 on chat.meta.stackexchange.com
@NormalHuman NEW-NAV IS AWESOME, BUT NOT AS AWESOME AS WINTERBASH. New-nav will begin in 6-8 weeks, 6-8 days, 6-8 hours, 6-8 minutes and 6-8 seconds.
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected, repeating characters in answer: Electric field 2 half lines by oipjopj on physics.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: ADJUST FILE SYSTEM PERMISSIONS by Guest on tor.stackexchange.com
5:23 PM
SD - tpu
1. [:4245855] <skipped>
2. [:4245836] Blacklisted user.
@Sha ^
@Unihedron :P
According to the internet I'm the first person in the history of humans to ever say EWEclear fission. Nice.
insert animation of ewe-235 getting hit by a ewe-tron here, since I have neither the tools nor attention span to make one
^ Hey I'm the first to say that. ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ
No you are not.
5:37 PM
Yes I am. (•_•)=ε/̵͇̿̿/'̿'̿ ̿
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: Decrypt Email ID using following Code by Sridhar Balasubramanian on stackoverflow.com
@JasonC Those are all time travelers.
Or you are, and you're trying to mislead us.
You know too much. (•_•)=ε/̵͇̿̿/'̿'̿ ̿
5:40 PM
Ewe'll never catch me! Baaaaaa
Catches @Jason
... what is going on in here?
@SmokeDetector Question deleted as well. Good, it has no value for future visitors.
@hichris123 If you try to know, you will pay the price.
5:42 PM
Wouldn't ewe like to know.
They'd tell ewe, but then they'd had to !!/kill ewe
I'd like to see that on a question on meta, please.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. nice. New feature?
@ShadowWizard Not really, as far as I'm concerned.
Q: What to do with public attacks and online sexism when the Mods do nothing and I contacted the staff twice?

go-juntaTLDR: Very sexist comments and personal attacks made public and no help on this Am I overly dramatic for reacting to these comments? What to do if the mods and staff seem to do nothing about it? Quit? I wrote a meta post about respecting users, especially new users, and asking what is cons...

Some drama right up there.
Gee, everywhere in SE is handing some drama in some way recently.
5:52 PM
Seasonal mood swings
Oops, I think I already posted this. twitter.com/shog9/status/669013615681269761
My Stack Overflow T-shirt finally arrived in the mail today!
I just installed Symbola v8.0 to get the new Unicode 8.0 glyphs.
5:56 PM
@tchrist TC in all-caps? I figured as much. Long time no chat BTW!
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: How to create ios app for forum? by Александр Абдулов on stackoverflow.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user: apt-get connections time out when updating by ShunJian on raspberrypi.stackexchange.com (@Unihedron)
@SmokeDetector why
@hichris123 Body - Position 1555-1572: fb12043@gmail.com
wait what
5:59 PM
ohhh maybe?
Blacklisted by sd 20tpu- which covered this message
Perhaps why on blacklisting works correctly only for replies?
@NormalHuman But why's the "why" message like that?
6:01 PM
That email address got removed 8 hours ago, but now it's in the why message... weird.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Because the post was already reported once for Email in body.
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 9 hours ago, by SmokeDetector
[ SmokeDetector ] Email in body: [Help][1st time boot rp2] by ShunJian on raspberrypi.stackexchange.com
But earlier, "why" for blacklisting reported who blacklisted the user.
Then the why data wasn't updated, since it doesn't overwrite why data.
Oh I get it, it's the same post.
That's probably a bug.
6:02 PM
@hichris123 Do you think Smokey remembered that? It restarts every 6 hours.
@ProgramFOX Running since 15:53:12 UTC (129 minutes)
hichris implemented 100 why kept in a text file
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. looks like overreacting
@bjb568 The "sexist" messages weren't sexist at all IMO.
Yup, pretty mild.
And it's chat
6:04 PM
Oh, just noticed @Normal has become an RO. \o/
@ProgramFOX what @NormalHuman said.
Ah, I see.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Speaking in my chat-moderator position: that's not okay for chat.
@AwesomePoodles RO = Room Owner
6:06 PM
Seems like there's a lot of history between them on the site, and it's not just about the chat messages on their own.
@Awe (removed)
@hichris123 Well, playing innocent like that OP has done isn't okay. In such drama I'd expect chat messages like that to be the sanest ones.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Sorry. I figured out it was a dumb question, 30 seconds later.
@AwesomePoodles No problema.
6:09 PM
@hichris123 Some context: The conversation was with a mod, who was partially agreeing. This isn't just flaming behind her back.
Tangential: GD is lopsided in rep league, Scott with 86K and the second place has 37K. But go-junta is the top for the month, so increased activity lately. Doesn't mean much for chat interaction, I suppose.
GD is generally getting more bitter because of all the OMG I can't photoshop dumps.
Q: Badge for general sharing on Social Media

Luke GedeonI frequently promote questions and the homepage of a couple SE sites that are still in beta. Since these sites are new and I don't have a huge following, I am unlikely to get an Announcer badge for driving a lot of traffic to a single question, but I am getting a lot of people to visit the sites ...

What's this guy talking about? Can someone enlighten me?
Announcer badge for the site rather than a single question.
OK but how should that be defined?
6:15 PM
IDK, he doesn't really specify
Maybe for the sum of views, rather than the views for separately shared questions.
Yeah, as long as each view has diff IP.
OK, so let's see. Why should we be doing this, again?
we like badges?
There are way better badge ideas that haven't got implemented.
@rene We like badgers?
6:18 PM
This one would draw attention to young sites, and could draw new users in. It would be in the interest of SO the company.
IF the announcer badge has merit, then this badge is the same kind of idea.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. You need a badge to promote positive behavior. So you first have define what behavior you want to see, if that is at the level you want it to be and if not, invent a badge to get that going
@rene Exactly. And how will this badge promote any positive behavior that isn't being promoted by "announcer", "booster" and "publicist"?
It'd just be a pair of badges that are more easily attainable.
Note that the request is for a beta sites.
@S.L.Barth Well, if it's going to happen, then I hope lowering badge thresholds also happens, and so does making site-specific badges.
Which are highly unlikely IMO.
6:23 PM
@tchrist Wow, even ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs?!
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I think that is the correct conclusion so far
A badge for drawing in new users and aiding them along might actually work.
But I'm more interested in the SO mentorship program - which can also earn the mentor a badge.
Drawing new users in is one thing, and may be good for the company - more views.
But for the wellbeing of the sites, we want good new users.
6:47 PM
@SmokeDetector fp- on certain sites if not most of them, restricting email check to answers would make sense.
@Normal, question, what does "Early Warning" do to Popular tags, OK-as-a-top-tag and Never-should-be-on-their-own?
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Popular is just a technical detail of forming the Okay array; I dumped the results of a SEDE query into Popular, so that the manually formed list of not-so-popular but Okay tags would be more manageable. Only Okay is used by the script: if the top tag of a question is not found in it, a comment is posted encouraging adding a broader tag.
The comment suggests some plausible tags to add, by using Related Tags list.
@SmokeDetector fp-
if (Vague.indexOf(topTag) > -1 && tags.length == 1) {
    comment.text = comment.text + 'Tag ('+topTag+') should not be the only tag a question has....';     }
6:54 PM
@NormalHuman Yeah it looks like "email in body" has roughly a 6% success rate.
PS: is that data in tabular form anywhere?
It's in MySQL table on Undo's server... otherwise not.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. And for vague, the line I posted above says what it does: if there is only one tag, and it's on the Vague list, then a comment is posted.
@NormalHuman FTP or SSH access for all? :)
@NormalHuman An what about "OK"? Will it not post a comment if there's an "OK" tag?
The checks are independent. Each of them may or may not add a sentence to the comment.text field. After all the checks are run, if comment.text is nonempty, it's posted.
6:59 PM
Say, the tag transformation is popular but vague. So it won't trigger the first kind of comments, but will trigger the second kind, if used on its own.
Aha, so no action will be taken regarding the "popular or otherwise sufficient" ones?
Right. If the top tag is [calculus], there will be no action.
7:18 PM
Q: You're making a difference!

JNatRecently, we've received some e-mails that really make us proud of doing the job we do here, thanking us for the knowledge this site, along with a few others on the network, has made available. This is a very pleasant thing to hear/read, but we cannot overlook who is really responsible for this: ...

[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: What is Cogniflex by user54684 on drupal.stackexchange.com
@NormalHuman After all the drama bombs, that's something I liked to see.
@SmokeDetector tpu-
The mod timeline post earned me the first Great Answer badge anywhere on the network.
But I liked it more if @JNat was more specific.
@NormalHuman Which one?
7:26 PM
Oh! I forgot what you meant by "mod timeline".
@NormalHuman The purple addition was well done.
One out of three ain't bad (not sayin' who I voted for :). Congrats, suckers. Now grab your mop and your bucket, there's a whole ton of vomit that needs swabbing. — Will 22 hours ago
@chmod666telkitty brews coffee for @chmod666telkitty
7:30 PM
Would nice to have some cake to go with that :p
@chmod666telkitty Brown!
@chmod666telkitty no cake, but one of these maybe?
7:33 PM
Where's Cupcake BTW? Did she finally got eaten?
@Cupcake Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. is wondering whether you are finally eaten :p
or maybe a different hairdo?
Of all the userscripts I have, the one I use most often is "search for this with Google" when pressing Alt-Enter in the search box. So many duplicates closed as a result... and nothing like that is built into the site.
solving the hunger issue, eating some breakfast ...
7:47 PM
Bringing some science into this cake-fest: nicolewilliam.deviantart.com/art/Biology-Cell-Cake-186345082
Does anyone ever use /tags/{tagname}/hot feature? E.g., stackoverflow.com/tags/javascript/hot?filter=week
And so it begins... Will there be hats this winter (2015)? by Minnow on meta.english.stackexchange.com
8:09 PM
No email has been sent out yet.
Minnow is being impatient. Any guess to the identity of 2015 Hat Czar?
Nov 22 at 4:21, by Jon Ericson
@NormalHuman No. I found someone to take that off my hands.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. HATS ARE AWESOME. Winter Bash will begin in 18 days, 3 hours, 49 minutes and 12 seconds. :D
@NormalHuman bluefeet?
Grace? Ana?
8:11 PM
Bluefeet is on SO team, I don't think she does network wide stuff that much.
Now this would have been a moderator election promise....! "If you vote for me as mod, I will promise to tell you who the new Hat Czar is!" :-)
@NormalHuman don't make any assumptions
@bluefeet So.... spill the beans and we may vote to keep you in the next mod election! :-)
@S.L.Barth I'm not a mod so that would be pointless
8:14 PM
We'll . . . Um, do something good to you if you tell us.
We need some non-denial denials to spice up the guessing.
I know what would help reduce the number of assumptions... a bit more information.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. tempting but no
@NormalHuman I'll probably be writing a 'who are the people in the community growth neighborhood' post in the very near future. To be clear, we all work on every site when it needs whatever talent we have - but a few of us primarily focus on SO, more than a few primarily focus on the SE network, some focus more on things that encompass everything, then there's the international team, operations team within community growth, and more. I'm not going to post a full organizational chart of the team, but I think if people saw how we're positioned, they'd be 80% less worried about this change. — Tim Post ♦ Sep 16 at 16:05
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Uh-oh.... I forgot that you have moved beyond the reach of elections... how can we bribe you? :-)
8:15 PM
Still waiting for the very near future to arrive.
@S.L.Barth Ice cream.
@NormalHuman we all work on everything that pretty much what you need to know
It's bluefeet.
The hat czar is bluefeet.
6 mins ago, by bluefeet
@NormalHuman don't make any assumptions
No assumptions in this chat.
8:19 PM
@bluefeet But it's fun. :/
No chats in this assumption.
Yay just got my first real booking at youcanbook.me Now to think of a question to ask about it at Web Apps...
This one is closed: Alternatives to discontinued Google Calendar Appointment Slots by thSoft on webapps.stackexchange.com
It has 8K views, a lot of the site...
I don't know, with Web Recs proposal getting closed, maybe there should be a way to get these questions back on Web Apps...
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I hate fun and will ban you for it :P
8:23 PM
But I would have to stage a revolution of some sort, overthrowing an established off-topic close reason. :/
@bluefeet (づ。◕‿‿◕。)づ
@bluefeet How many assumptions do you make a day? Be honest. ;)
@bluefeet Hate fun, likes rum?
OK. So assuming @bluefeet's feet are blue is an assumption, assumingly?
Error: too many assumptions.
8:26 PM
@rene and other things
I assumed so...
@rene Assuming Assumption: Ellipsis is . . . not ... . The space between the dots needs to be bigger.
We're not going to have that discussion again
@SmokeDetector gone testestestest
8:28 PM
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. You forgot about "smart" ellipses.
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: WONT START AFTER EL CAPTIAN INSTILLATION by Jj Donnelly on apple.stackexchange.com
Ideally it would be " . . . " not " . . . " but I'm too lazy for correct typography.
8:40 PM
Can anybody access no-www.org?
Seems to be timing out for me.
Which reminds me, @bjb568 : DevDoodle still seems to be eating a lot of browser resources. When going to another tab, the browser (FF) goes to "Not responding" for a few seconds.
@S.L.Barth yeah, still fixing
Will definitely be able to fix today, no skewl.
@bjb568 Ok. Well, I hope for you it'll be easy to fix.
Meh, flexbox and edge cases.
If you say so. I haven't looked at the underlying code.
Meanwhile, I indeed can't reach no-www.org .
8:47 PM
So... Since CoGro is not going to let Web Recs exist (and there's a doubt whether it'd be viable anyway), I'm thinking of how to incorporate them into Web Apps. What if they were protected upon getting posted, to avoid low-quality answers from new users?
I don't know if Recs sites tried that.
Is there a good reason why Software Recommendations doesn't allow web apps recs, @Undo?
@NormalHuman We allow web apps, not web sites
Oh. I had no idea, even after reading Help Center & Meta post on quality. Is there a reference I can cite?
user image
@bluefeet having fun ^
caught in the act
@SterlingArcher pretty sure that's not me
If the feet are blue, then it 'tis you.
The rhyme does not lie.
"All of this is true, because it rhymes." - from The Lego Movie.
Survey says!
Survey didn't say anything :(
9:14 PM
9:27 PM
Q: HNQ site icons are borked

bjb568 The icons look squished and cropped wrong. I've repro'd this on several sites.

hidpi bug. :(
If hidpi disappeared from this planet...
Q: Site icons misaligned

cdeOn both the full site and mobile theme, when viewed from Android and Chrome, the site icons are misaligned as seen below on the drop down site list. Can't replicate on my mac.

@hichris123 Does it even count as "high" now? I'm more inclined to think that nonretina screens are lowdpi.
The majority of the population doesn't have hidpi screens. So, yes, it's still hidpi.
They use potatoes then.
... huh?
9:40 PM
2015 Community Moderator Election Results by Shog9 on meta.japanese.stackexchange.com
Earthliŋ is now a 3-site mod: Portuguese, Japanese, and Sustainable Living. Is this a sustainable trend?
jkerian joins the ranks of pro-tem mods who ran but were not re-elected.
Code Review new design is live.
9:57 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Minecraft starts lagging after a while by Your mom on gaming.stackexchange.com
10:17 PM
@SmokeDetector fp-
@NormalHuman that is totally a question ...
Let alone a good one ...
It's like seeing a picture of a duck on a site dedicated to cats ...
in Fall 2015 Moderator Election Chat on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 min ago, by Undo
 1. Ed Cottrell
 2. josilber
 3. Madara Uchiha
 4. Vinod Madyalkar
 5. Undo
 6. Mureinik
 7. Thomas Owens
 8. deceze
 9. slugster
10. rekire
^ Full election results
@Undo so close, yet so far away
10:23 PM
My hope is that volume increases such that you need to pull up two more ;)
@Undo What surprises me is that no-downvote-without-comment guy managed to end up fourth. Are the users that gullible that bought his arguments, or am I missing something relevant?
Next time: 2. Opun
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Personally? I suspect it has something to do with geographic location.
Oh. Of course.
That came and bit me in another election. And we ended up with a mod who doesn't even know what being a mod means.
I definitely didn't deserve to be elected, there were way better candidates with delicate understanding of SE.
But the tribe has decided, anyway.
I think there is also a sizable contingent of sort-of anti-moderation voters. Put those two factors together and there's potential for quite a lot of support.
10:29 PM
Yeah. 98% of the userbase in SO doesn't understand what closing a question means FWIW.
I honestly don't really get it either. You close crap question instead of deleting them?
I'd say from the abysmal reopen rates that questions should be deleted immediately instead of closed, and if an improvement could be made a new question be asked.
… and all rep to the whores that answer them should be reversed, preferably with a penalty.
Been a while since we had cv-plz here...
About two weeks. ;)
A: Close as Duplicate always lists same (unrelated) questions

jee gog/Class.h #import "Reachability.h" #import - (BOOL)connected; //Class.m - (BOOL)connected { Reachability *reachability = [Reachability reachabilityForInternetConnection]; NetworkStatus networkStatus = [reachability currentReachabilityStatus]; return networkStatus != NotReachable -

How... why... did that user post an answer to that question with their code?
Looks like it's copied from an answer to a linked question.
10:56 PM
@bjb568 If I ever got this feature request I would burn all of my rep taking down people like that.
@JeremyBanks screenshot for the mortals?
Or a 7k rep bounty? :p
Afraid I don't have that much to spare :P. But perhaps somebody else in this room could donate a third undelete vote?
(Oh... animuson's non-mod deletion vote was promoted to a binding vote when he was hired, so it can't be undeleted.)
So screenshot?
11:00 PM
missing all of the fun comments, though.
A cost of -400 is a gain of 400? :D
That would break the reputation system pretty badly.
Even worse than my intended meaning.
Your intended meaning wouldn't be that bad, most users are already pretty conservative with downvoting answers with -2 rep for -1. -1 for -2 is going to make most people never use it.
If Close Review had a button "Leave Open, but downvote" that would help a bit with the "closing because no effort" phenomenon...
11:08 PM
@bjb568 Except @nicael, who would somehow find a way to funnel all of Jon Skeet's rep to himself.
@NormalHuman meh, I don't think that's too big of a problem
Bloated Close Queue kind of is.
Downvoting instead of closing won't fix the queue size.
I just want voting arrows in CVQ, period.
Yeah, I don't get why they need to cripple the queues and prevent basic actions like voting…
Now I often open up questions in a new tab just to vote and see more context.
11:13 PM
@bjb568 Force touch is awesome for that.
Yeah, but I often review on my laptop, not my phone.
@bjb568 Three-finger tap.
hmm… never thot of that
Or force touch if you have a shiny new trackpad.
!!? three-finger tap works for peek on El Cap?
11:14 PM
@JeremyBanks It does here
Not sure if it's related to me having the new external trackpad, but I doubt it
Awesome! Should have thought of that...
Interestingly, three finger tap doesn't work on my external trackpad - only the internal one.
11:15 PM
I'm having a hard time justifying getting a 6S yet, but at least I'll have this.
@JeremyBanks I still have just a 5th gen iPod Touch.
I really should get a phone, but ugh money.
<-- Allergic to spending money
← Is proud owner of 6S Plus
← has fancy arroz
I just got my brother a sixth-gen iPod touch. That's currently one heck of a deal -- CPU power at least on par with the 6, but starting at $200.
I guess what you'd want depends on what you need it for, I don't really need a great CPU in my phone but 3D touch is awesome.
But for gaming, iPod touches are great.
3D touch seems like a major step in phone UI, so I'd really like to have it ASAP.
11:22 PM
Q: On how to combining the power of YAML and a templating engine together

nowoxI've recently thought about a command line tool to help me be more SSOT and KISS. This is not a full project yet even though I already give it a name. The description of the concept is available here and hereunder. I would like to get more input about it. In some ways I could be totally wrong i...

Wait until Samsung builds it into all their phones, with the minor caveat that if you use the wrong finger you'll never be able to get it out of the little jaws used for force measuring.
This guy put a lot of work into his question before figuring out whether it was suitable for the site.
But don't worry, the manual will explicitly say that only prime numbered fingers, counting from the right with palms outstretched, will work. Except on Tuesdays, then it's flipped.
[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in answer: In the Medieval period, how long would an average swordsmith need to forge an average sword? by lol on history.stackexchange.com (@Unihedron)
sd tpu-
11:24 PM
Does the low quality filter not block stuff like that on betas?
@JeremyBanks I imagine it has an auto low quality flag on it
Is there low quality block for answers?
Edited by OP into shape. I guess he has a cat.
@SmokeDetector delete
11:26 PM
@NormalHuman yes
My hobby: using 10k tools to find questions with 4 CVs that already left the queue. Flag VLQ just before casting the 5th close vote. Automatic helpful flag for me, automatic downvote for OP.
I guess that wouldn't make a good xkcd comic, though.
@NormalHuman Probably not a good idea.
It could be viewed as gaming the flag system.
11:29 PM
By whom? The flag is automatically dismissed as helpful, since the question is closed.
Well. Don't hate the player, then.
You get a helpful flag without any other intervention.
And do you really need that extra downvote?
Yes, yes, and yes. I need 400 downvotes per day.
You're not double-downvoting, then?
11:31 PM
I have my downvote, the Community has its own.
Though most of the time, I have none of mine left.
Whoa, today's XKCD is awesome
@Undo Ahhh... of course it's another one of these things. Thanks for the heads-up. I just shrugged it off as a silly simple game.
From Munroe? Bahahaha
11:49 PM
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