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12:06 AM
DevDoodle is up again! Now there's definitely no need to panic.
@SmokeDetector fp- an idea: do not report phone numbers when the title contains "error".
None of Support Number or Black Magic titles have "error" in them.
12:23 AM
… until they adapt
@NormalHuman and certain … people
I am not paranoid enough to think that spammers read the source code of SD or the transcript of this room...
12:47 AM
@NormalHuman I mean you would think that if they were really intelligent, they could find another more productive job with better pay ....
those spams don't even evolve!
Regardless of "error", the phone number check is somewhat antiquated: it's the only one using "validation_method" syntax, predating the introduction of methods as checks.
90%+ of those spams are dumb, dull, boring and have been in the same format for like forever ...
@chmod666telkitty 44ever?
12:53 AM
44 ever
@NormalHuman I am trailing in 2015 rep league the user who last posted in July 2012....
1:16 AM
@NormalHuman The red stuff seems to be a little off-center (vertically) as well
1:29 AM
@SantaClaus If I blink, you look like me.
@tchrist Thats scary
Tell me about it, like.
Oh look i made the starboard
lol that dog ...
1:37 AM
Of course, Stack Overflow is special... but if the new prompt is "better", why not use it elsewhere?
(I don't actually like the SO version at all, with its "just like you" and overall promotional tone)
Stack Overflow em Português and Stack Overflow на русском don't have this special-case blurb. (Which is <div id = "blurb"> by the way)
1:54 AM
@NormalHuman it gives too much of an "oh we iz gr8 and don't have 10 million turds sitting here" feel
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: POSSIBILITY TO REFERENCE SOME CONTENTS IN URL by svrsk on webapps.stackexchange.com
Also, "a community of 4.7 million" is a lie if over 1M of those accounts are eligible for auto-deletion for inactivity. Above all, be honest
And users without a positive rep increase in the last month are hardly part of the community.
… that makes less than 264 thousand community members.
2:28 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported question: About a psichopatic man that took control of this site by Agamemnon Kazanzackis on physics.stackexchange.com
and gone.
4:12 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in answer: How can I delete everything from my MacBook Pro before selling it? by Funnrosly on apple.stackexchange.com
@NormalHuman No. I found someone to take that off my hands.
@S.L.Barth Spoiler alert! The current idea I'm working one will not require 30K.
4:31 AM
@AlexisKing I'm going to try to implement flexbox.
5:04 AM
1 hour later…
6:09 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: How can Stackoverflow, such a bad website,be this popular by Pyromancer on stackoverflow.com
6:50 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: PHYSICAL MEANING OF GENERALIZED COORDINATES by vkv on physics.stackexchange.com
7:08 AM
If I have 10 years and some spare during those 10 years, what would be a more productive use of time - training a monkey or program an A.I.?
7:29 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: WHAT IS A PULSAR IN ASTROPHYSICS? by vkv on physics.stackexchange.com
sd fp- 2tpu-
7:57 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user: WHAT IS A PULSAR IN ASTROPHYSICS? by vkv on physics.stackexchange.com
Never seen this kind of spam before.
It's sporadic. Typically, each appears just once. Impossible to train Smokey on them.
Well, I tried by adding "non-latin link" test, since some of these have links in a different language. But those are a minority of cases.
1 hour later…
9:45 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: UART, USART, SPI, I2C,RS232, RS422, RS485 by ahmadx87 on electronics.stackexchange.com (@PeterJ)
9:56 AM
I mean ... spams do help SO/SE getting on top in the Alexa Ranking, do they not? So they are not exactly completely useless ...
11:24 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user: What is a pulsar? by vkv on physics.stackexchange.com
11:59 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in answer, email in answer: Strategy to offset a big one-time windfall or gain/income for tax purposes? by James cooper on money.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in answer, email in answer: My company's 401K plan: Where to put my money? by James cooper on money.stackexchange.com
@UNICYCLEZRDEBESTINDEHERE [:4229636] Blacklisted user.
Make that 2
Sd 2tpu
1. [:4229638] That message is not a report.
2. [:4229636] Blacklisted user.
1. [:4229641] That message is not a report.
2. [:4229638] That message is not a report.
3. [:4229636] <processed without return value>
4. [:4229629] <processed without return value>
12:21 PM
Stupid mobile can't reply o_o
@ProgramFOX Bug in Smokey?
12:36 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer, blacklisted user: What is the step-by-step process of transferring money from India to the UK? by James cooper on money.stackexchange.com
@SmokeDetector tpu-
@bob No, because its latest two messages weren't actually reports.
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: DO YOU NEED AN XMAS LOAN? by James cooper on money.stackexchange.com
@SmokeDetector tpu-
@chmod666telkitty why would spam do that?? It lasts for few minutes, and I doubt it attracts any visitors.
12:43 PM
raised a custo-mod flag to request the account be destroyed on Money.SE & other SE sites
@ShadowWizard increase the traffic and hit rate
@chmod666telkitty traffic? You think thousands of people rush to SO to look at spam posts?
There's a meme to everything
@ShadowWizard HATS ARE AWESOME. Winter Bash will begin in 21 days, 11 hours, 14 minutes and 21 seconds. :D
12:45 PM
@SmokeDetector why?
@ShadowWizard That's not a report.
@SmokeDetector fpu
@ShadowWizard That message is not a report.
user image
Enjoy your stars, @chm!
12:46 PM
phew! my first three flags on Money.SE just for one spammer..
@bob so I take it you don't need a loan?
@balpha just thought of something, how hard will it be to put different color for moderators in the chat auto complete?
Not hard
Not hard
12:50 PM
@ShadowWizard would've thought it'd be too hard, names most likely come up as a result of a loop. all that's needed is to change the colour of the text if a moderator matches the query
their other accounts were destroyed, lol
now hopefully their account on Money.SE will be destroyed in a few moments
We need teh Shog Powarz!
12:52 PM
@ShadowWizard make them red, to warn for an accidental ping?
@UNICYCLEZRDEBESTINDEHERE nah, Shog is unique but not the only one ;)
@UNICYCLEZRDEBESTINDEHERE careful not to say that near @Pra ;)
We need teh Balpha powarz!
@ShadowWizard Why?
@rene lol, good point!
@UNICYCLEZRDEBESTINDEHERE you'll understand in 6-8 years
Oh lol Tim Post and Tim Stone are here
We need teh Monkey powarz to nuke teh Spammarz!
need one more spam flag on this: money.stackexchange.com/questions/56226/…
12:55 PM
We need teh Monkey powarz to nuke teh Spammarz!
Nice 9-9 for rene vs. Shog
rene9 vs Shog9
If Shog stays at 9 or 10 and @rene will get to 20+ it means a gold badge!
I just noticed: we all ping each other, but when we talk about mods no one pings
12:57 PM
oops, it must be at least 10 so Shog also need an upvote
Bring out the Socks
I just noticed: we all ping each other, but when we talk about mods no one pings
@UNICYCLEZRDEBESTINDEHERE we're all afraid of @Bart
I don't wanna die yet
12:58 PM
because I'm not ripe yet
@rene are you an apple?
No, I'm a flower
@rene so what is a ripe flower?
preparing the ice cream
@ShadowWizard one that is ready to shed its leafs
ready for ice cream
1:03 PM
@rene hmm... when you put it that way, I think I can agree.
puts ice cream back in fridge
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive title detected: Why does my Washburn sound like crap even after installing EMG s by Tony Bovitt on music.stackexchange.com (@Unihedron)
1:30 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive title detected: Why does my Washburn sound like crap even after installing EMGs? by Tony Bovitt on music.stackexchange.com (@Unihedron)
!!/unnotify 89 music.stackexchange.com
@Unihedron I will no longer ping you if I report a post of music.stackexchange.com, in room 89 on chat.meta.stackexchange.com
1:53 PM
!!/notify 89 music.stackexchange.com
@ShadowWizard You'll now get pings from me if I report a post of music.stackexchange.com, in room 89 on chat.meta.stackexchange.com
@SmokeDetector fpu-
@SmokeDetector why
@bob Body - Position 870-875: Nutra
1:58 PM
@SmokeDetector fpu-
2:53 PM
sd why
Worth to keep on blacklist?
Well, I guess not.
@ProgramFOX User removed from blacklist (5590782 on stackoverflow.com).
[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: Why do many laptops run on 19 volts? by John March on electronics.stackexchange.com (@PeterJ)
3:43 PM
@SmokeDetector ignore-
4:11 PM
I've finally casted 3k votes on SO. Pocket change compared to @NormalHuman, but still.
4:39 PM
Q: Can we stop doing [samba]?

bobToday an off-topic question was successfully boomed, and after finding a similar question I ventured into the tag & found that the majority of questions in the tag are off-topic: How to mount windows share with cifs and access directory down tree where have access? Samba and Iptables Proper way...

Nov 17 at 3:55, by tchrist
You can't say that.
cast, cast, cast
... hmm, yeah, cast is probably what I've heard most often. Not sure why I chose casted.
@NormalHuman Mid softnesse he castede þe sinfulle.
Hi @S.L.Barth bye @ShadowWizard
4:44 PM
@hichris123 The only casted verb English has ever had meant “chastened”.
Somehow my computer can Minecraft but dies when I load a WebGL thing like three.js animations
@UNICYCLEZRDEBESTINDEHERE I suppose you've tried different browsers?
Chrome is even slower than FF here
I don't know much about MineCraft, but I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't even use the graphics card.
4:50 PM
It does
It uses OpenGL
@UNICYCLEZRDEBESTINDEHERE Ok, and other 3d applications? Other games that use more advanced graphics... they do work?
...I don't play other things
4:53 PM
@UNICYCLEZRDEBESTINDEHERE If you use a three.js application that doesn't involve animation, does that work?
threejs is WebGL so it's animation
I think we have a different definition of animation.... I have a very simple Three.js thingy on my GitHub, it doesn't move at all.
4:56 PM
So one that just sits there and only renders on page load? That doesn't kill
@ShadowWizard Kicks @Sha outta room
5:09 PM
You're welcome!
5:25 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: Html Css JS - Car spin in circles by Smith Thompstan on stackoverflow.com
A community of 4.7 million programmers, just like you, helping each other.
sd gone gone
Lol the user got nuked
@tchrist Guess my mind just likes participles. :P
5:47 PM
Yo @ᔕᖺᘎᕊ
> query TFHWebSite.system.indexes query: { expireAfterSeconds: { $exists: true } } ntoreturn:0 ntoskip:0 nscanned:11 keyUpdates:0 locks(micros) r:102355 nreturned:1 reslen:127 102ms
For a moment I thought the $exists was something sick and I was wondering what it was doing on my screen :P
Q: Ignore this question

Anton GeraschenkoThis question is a hacky way to create some tags for you to use. Move along.

I would never suppose such do exist still :D
@nicael lol how did you find it??
5:51 PM
High rep users?
Has MathOverflow been with us since 2009?? I don't see any "Migrated from ..." below that post.
@S.L.Barth The site began in 2009 as a SE 1.0 site. Migrated to 2.0 in 2013.
Ah, a survivor from the 1.0 generation!
More than a survivor: an astounding success.
@hichris123 You mean like the past participle forms burst, cast, cost, cut, fit, hit, hurt, let, lit, met, put, quit, rid, set, shed, shut, slit, split, thrust, wet — not to mention bent, built, bought, burnt, caught, crept, dealt, dreamt, dwelt, felt, fought, kept, knelt, leant, leapt, left, lent, lost, meant, sat, sent, shot, spent, spoilt, swept, taught, thought, went, wept?
6:05 PM
"wept" is a well fitting conclusion to that list
@ShadowWizard it's the first question. Just wanted to view what it was :)
@NormalHuman Who knows what another final word would have wrought?
@S.L.Barth Yup
6:25 PM
@nicael Why isn't it deleted now?
@tchrist learnt just sounds pretentious
A: Ignore this question no more

quidIt might seem useless, but it is question number 1. We should not deleted it. Who knows what would happen? Maybe all other questions start to trickle through the hole this creates. More seriously, my understanding was it actually is kept for historical/sentimental reasons; several subsequent ...

"Maybe all other questions start to trickle through the hole this creates" :D
6:46 PM
Q: Is Stack Overflow really a community of 4.7 million programmers, just like me, helping each other?

Normal HumanYes, according to the blurb of the front page: I understand there do exist 4.7 million accounts (the number grew to 4.9 million since the text was put in place). But over a million of those are zombie accounts, already eligible for automatic deletion on the basis of inactivity. In fact, Th...

I decided not to dwell on "just like me" part, although it's unclear to me in what sense those 4.7 million are just like me.
@tchrist I surrender to your English prowess. I shall now go and weep.
7:05 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Will rand() sometimes return the same consecutively? by Sami on stackoverflow.com
@SmokeDetector tpu- another one to be added to 4.7 million... and here is another one, below.
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: GIVE ME SOME WEBSITE IDEAS by user5591806 on stackoverflow.com
What kind of attacks were on MO recently?
@UNICYCLEZRDEBESTINDEHERE impersonations, apparently
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user: The definition of polynomial in $l^p$ by Julio Trujillo Gonzalez on math.stackexchange.com
@SmokeDetector ignore- and why is the user blacklisted?
@SmokeDetector why
That was a lousy question, since deleted, but not with malicious intent.
7:22 PM
@NormalHuman User removed from blacklist (272343 on math.stackexchange.com).
7:41 PM
I don't get the twelfth being so popular...
("I have edited your title. Please see....")
autoreviewcomments, presumably
Hm, it may be. But that popular, incredible.
Probably from the Help & Improvement queue.
On second thought... maybe not. It's only about tags after all. Bots are much more likely.
7:59 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: AS3 combobox with icons by Juan Pablo García Nieto on stackoverflow.com
@bjb568 So you use webster's 1/c. Try 1/b or 1/d, e, f or g. This discussion is getting ridiculous. I wanted to provide another opinion, another point of view. Clearly, you guys are driven by your negative emotions, and are not open to any kind of input. My arguments or simple facts can't change that, so I'll give up trying. — vacip 8 mins ago
WTH does this mean?
"I don't think any opinions beside mine are correct so obviously anybody who disagrees is being swayed by 'negative emotions'"?
That whole discussion got sidetracked into what the definition of a community is.
Reading Shogs answer... so they want people to make an SO account, even if they may never need it....?
Even if the account may be deleted automatically??
8:15 PM
@S.L.Barth if you might need it (or benefit from it), then yes; it removes a lot of potential pain-points later on if you're signed in and decide to submit an edit or post an answer or search or even ask (although as noted asking forces you to create an account, so there's not so much value in encouraging folks to pre-register before asking).
If you never need it, then there's not much cost to it.
So... where does the "helping each other" part come from, then?
no idea
From Jaydles, I guess.
Same style as People Helped
Wheel of blame says it's Josh... I don't know how Josh is but you, my dear Normal Human (?), are wrong :P
8:17 PM
the previous verbiage was "professional and enthusiast programmers", but I don't recall exactly when we dropped that.
archive.org would tell you
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: MATHEMATICS OF PARIMUTUEL EXACTA WAGERING by darkstar on math.stackexchange.com
At the same time that the rest of the banner was reworded, for SO only. i.sstatic.net/hLtzm.png
@Shog9 Thanks for the clarification. I guess that SO and I just have different ideas about how useful this really is.
But if I find it necessary to comment further on it, I'll just do it on the MSO post to keep the entire discussion in one place.
I see that blurb as trying to not lie about the "no registration required" for SO... I think there was a FR asking for a change of the wording, guess this is what we got
Other sites requiring registration (like AU) just omit "no registration required" part.
8:23 PM
@S.L.Barth IIRC, we have a little bit of data that indicates folks who create accounts before they need them end up doing better when they do need them. So there's that.
Whether that'll continue to be the case when more folks create accounts is debatable - it's entirely possible that whatever factor previously encouraged folks to create unneeded accounts also contributed to them being less of a danger to themselves and others in general.
But, it's worth a shot at least.
Yes, my bet would be that it's correlation and not causation.
The people who already made an account before they needed it, were probably already interested in SO.
@Shog9 I blame the emergency factor
wiki:emergency factor … meh
something we've observed repeatedly over the years is that folks who invest any time in the site tend to do better on it than folks who (previously) haven't. This is the motivation behind a lot of the weird stuff new users (or unregistered users) see, including that interstitial that pops up the first time you go to ask a question.
Again though, it's hard to force someone to give a shit.
A: Stack Overflow showing different messages in different browsers at same time

Thomas OrozcoThis is an A/B test we are running, comparing two variations of the hero unit shown on Stack Overflow to anonymous users. You're seeing two different pages because your browsers were placed in different groups (obviously, we do not track you across browsers!). You should see different messa...

8:27 PM
ah, there we go
Oddly, located on meta.se instead of meta.so
so, couple months
@Shog9 We might entice people into participating. Just having an account... I don't think that will really help, chances are they'll just forget about it. Or forget the credentials.
These days, I often hear non-users say that they have nothing to add to SO, the answers are already there.
8:30 PM
yeah, folks have been saying that for years
Or they are afraid to ask questions. Ironically, the ones who would probably post good questions.
awful lot of posts created each day for a site with nothing to add :-/
@S.L.Barth this does seem to be kind of a huge problem
the folks who you'd wish were terrified to ask are so unafraid that they'll cheerfully flood the site with questions in the face of abuse. The folks who (with a tiny bit of assistance maybe) could ask interesting/useful questions are often so petrified of being criticized that they never even try.
DD will solve this! See the guided asking page!
* Reports BJB's post to Smokey * :-)
8:34 PM
Math has a (smaller) lot of posts created every day, but they are the same basic exercises solved over and over every month. :/ Not a contradiction to "nothing to add"
@bjb568 I was looking at DevDoodle, but it eats a lot of my browser's resources (Firefox 42.0).
I wonder if Shog has spare reopen votes for this meta.stackoverflow.com/q/310794/792066
@Shog9 Another thing I've found is that even people aware of SO, and even users, don't know how many other SE sites there are. Maybe we should entice them into the smaller SE sites?
Hot network questions...
Web Apps isn't getting many of those recently, I imagine...
8:46 PM
It's always a good day when Shog dumps his stream of consciousness in here. Provides good insight into the thoughts of CMs.
A++ would chat again
@Shog9 Maybe also give the other sites some attention on the Stack Overflow FB page?
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: DECIDING WHETHER IT IS A 2-WAY OR 3-WAY ANOVA by Gwe Jery on stats.stackexchange.com (@Unihedron)
@S.L.Barth You mean the other Stack Exchange network sites that are part of Stack Overflow Inc (but not Stack Overflow the website)?
@hichris123 Yes. Occasionally put something there like, "Did you know we also have a site about Pets?"
8:50 PM
Except it's still Stack Exchange Inc. Nevermind.
@S.L.Barth Not sure if people really interact with the SO facebook page though...?
I knew that, say, Web Apps existed, but somehow never considered posting there. Then somehow stumbled upon a Facebook question that I also had... researched a bit further and posted an answer.
Then came back a few days later and started answering regularly.... now the most active user in the most active tag on the site.
And perhaps the Stack Overflow twitter account should post actual questions instead of advertise the next new shiny thing. Stack Exchange's twitter account did this.
@NormalHuman But you were already an SO user, right?
Those were hardly actual questions. I'm happy to see that SE twitter shut up.
8:54 PM
@S.L.Barth Yeah... my answering activity on SO spans January - July 2015.
Then, more IRL commitments and more irritating promotions from SO the company... made it too easy to quit.
@S.L.Barth Huh… is it the program iframes that're doing that?
@NormalHuman for some reason they all tweet at the same time... if you are following more than 2, stuff gets tricky
@bjb568 Don't know... I'll open the page in Chrome and see if that makes a difference.
@Braiam SE twitter wasn't automatic, it was manually run by Jaydles.
8:56 PM
Who went as far as editing a question and its answers on Math for convenience of tweeting it.
@bjb568 Chrome (version 46.something) doesn't seem to have the problem.
I has a theory!
can someone give me a nice tree image about where is Stack Exchange vs non-SO Q&A sites?
It's the damn minHeight function. I'm replacing it with flexbox tho.
the batman Jay draw is looking my way, and making me nervous
9:00 PM
@bjb568 I'm willing to visit it again when you're done, to see if your fix helped. But it may be tomorrow.
@NormalHuman Perhaps, but better than advertising the private beta of Documentation... at least advert what people are doing on the network, not what the SE staff is/might be doing.
Q: what about a more flexible voting system? Favorites, Bookmarks, Kudos and even Sub-scores

Aquarius Power[All ideas evolve and so did this one, transposing and expanding from the comments] Definitions What we have today, here and in many other applications and sites, is a bookmarks system miscalled as "favorites". So here we have the current vote system, simple, fast (concerning how long we de...

This looks like more of a discussion than feature-request, but it doesn't look unclear.
stretch that to "unclear why you want this"
9:10 PM
I think it's fine to have a discussion about having more nuance in the voting system.
@bjb568 That your friend?
anyone remembers the english equivalent for the spanish saying "no hay moros en la costa"?
@Braiam What does it mean?
9:15 PM
I mean I could help if I knew the meaning of the sentence. Wait, is that a real question?
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. in english, the equivalent would be "the coast is clear", but it doesn't sound right in the context I'm trying to use it...
@Braiam What do you want it to mean? What's the main message it's supposed to send across?
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. it was something akin to "I see some moros in the screen"
Moros? Morons?
Oh huh you mean this? google.nl/…
> Mo·ro
plural noun: Moros

a Muslim inhabitant of the Philippines.
9:20 PM
Hm, the reconquista... so the word may have originally referred to the Moorish people.
And, according to that link, then was used for the Ottoman Turks.
@ᔕᖺᘎᕊ sorry, I rejected your suggested re-tag. It is not a discussion but a honest feature request and I rather have the voting be on that.
I expected a meta-post Avoiding stack overflow and you don't know how much I want that answered...
what's up kittehs! and flowers and gravatars and disney characters and dogs and unicorns and floating heads and.... et al?
@ShadowWizard I was trying to approve an edit, clicked approve, the page reloaded aaaaand "approved 5 seconds ago by Shadow Wizard" -.-
@rene but you must admit, title like "Should we..." is kind of looks like discussion. "Please do..." is more like feature request. :)
@ɥʇǝS haha, can't beat my speed! :D
9:34 PM
are we splitting heads on semantics ;)
This is exactly what we do on meta!
@Braiam you forgot a question mar.. wait..
(The standard form of the idiom is "splitting hairs", but your version fits Meta much better.)
@ShadowWizard sure, good point, still: don't touch my question...
we should probably unpin the primary monitors now.
9:37 PM
@NormalHuman I like how recursive that is... arguing about the semantics of how we argue about semantics.
@rene not enough repz there, and won't risk rejecting my precious edit ;)
@ɥʇǝS ask the duck...
@ɥʇǝS ... in its idiom
@rene lol no problem! But I do agree with @Shadow that it could be reworded... After all, my answer was intended to be part if the 'discussion' :p
OK, let me think about that...
9:48 PM
Lol. It doesn't really matter tbh
is there any deleted answer on this? stackoverflow.com/q/1957747/792066
@Braiam 5
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