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12:00 AM
hi @uni
Today is the 5th birthday of User Experience! A post to celebrate the occasion: What is the best font for extremely limited space, i.e. will fit the most READABLE text in the smallest space? More into Graphic Design territory, but GD didn't exist then.
wonder if that pinged @uni or not?
google.com/fonts lets you search by width , the most narrow is Dorsa, surprised there's nothing more narrow there
12:18 AM
@Dronehinge hi
did it ping you or bug fixed?
howdns.works somewhat entertaining
Is nothing.works domain taken already?
Only $24.88 per year!
only 39.99 on godaddy
godaddy sucks
12:26 AM
> .pizza is a GTLD that was proposed in ICANN's New gTLD Program. After a Private auction in May 2014, Donuts became the only applicant for the string.
This makes no sense. Donuts and pizza?
> Looking forward to the Stack Overflow talk by @haneycodes . #codeonthebeach pic.twitter.com/RjuNc96B73 -- Michael Crump at 12:57 PM - 8 Aug 2015 via Twitter
> Donuts or Donuts Inc. is a start-up company that was created to apply and run new generic top-level domains as made possible by ICANN's gTLD expansion program
Sorry, can't hear Haney over the loud stripes.
after you've ate a whole pizza and you feel like you couldn't eat anything else you still know your a fighter and could make room for your favorite donut if you had one in the kitchen
12:32 AM
I don't have a donut in my kitchen... don't think I ever had, actually.
@Dronehinge "your"?
Haney's slides are here, btw: haneycodes.net/stackoverflow
@Braiam i noticed but too full to edit
12:40 AM
Devs get to see this all the time, although they don't handle the flags.
TODO: investigate what is an object pool
> 35 developers, 6 sysadmins, 6 designers
Let's see... who are the 6 sysadmins?
SF blog should have most of them
12:53 AM
@NormalHuman queueOverflow!
Process which locks up, ignores SIGKILL, is runnable... What state is it in? by alienth on unix.stackexchange.com One SRE asked it, another migrated, the 3rd bountied. "We are curious how this could happen"
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: How to install Microsoft font on Freya? by Hendra ID on elementaryos.stackexchange.com
Q: ....................................NEVER MIND


eOS gets a lot of questions for a young beta,
@NormalHuman most of them are rehash of SU/UL/AU
I didn't say there were good questions.
1:12 AM
oh, right
through, I'm just pointing out that the pool of questions is just a regurgitation of stuff asked somewhere else
Isn’t that nearly always the case?
But the community is new: the top four users by reputation have little presence on other SE sites.
yeah, that's why the volume of questions is an artificial number... actually, I'm worried that many of those have solution somewhere else
people becomes blind at the start and asks questions just to inflate the number
Although they are asked not to.
1:26 AM
The user has two sensible questions, so it's more like NAA.
I don’t think so. It’s just not very good.
It's not NAA
No kidding on the “sexy ass” edit. Sheesh.
@tchrist lol yeah
Q: ActiveRecord `from_csv` method - howto make it more sexy?

haulethI have written method to load data to DB from CSV. For me it's a little bit unsexy and it's far away from DRY: def self.from_csv(data) c = Company.new FasterCSV.parse(data) do |row| c.name = row[0] c.street = row[1] c.street_number = row[2] c.apartament_number =...

If everyone's editing, I might as well crop & embed their screenshot.
1:31 AM
1:46 AM
Does Chrome 44 render fonts differently, or did SE increase the font size in About Me box?
As usual, I can't tell the difference between changes in Chrome and changes in SE...
It looks bigger to me.
And you're using FF, right?
I think the font size of the bio box was increased today, to 15px... don't know what it was previously.
1:49 AM
Any opinions on the new size? I think it's odd to have base font size in one column larger than in the other.
A: Radiogroup selections to SQLite

Pepe PengYour needs attention is what to do

I believe Confucius once said that.
2:26 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: How can I make a block only be placed on certain other blocks by nincompoop on gaming.stackexchange.com
2:42 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: How to be a part of a woman I hate's masturbatory fanatasy? by Saurispo on biology.stackexchange.com
sd 2ignore-
I contend that the bio question falls under the category of "rude and/or disrespectful discourse."
(Perhaps the title could be turned into a psychology/cogsci question, but as phrased it appears to be more of a rant than a question.)
The badge tracker for "Civic Duty" (and presumably, Electorate) points to /?tab=month as if this is where votes are needed. Meh.
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating words in body: Optimize MYSQL subqueries by Damon on stackoverflow.com
@SmokeDetector ignore- what a disaster of SQL
2:54 AM
That post was edited by 5 users other than the OP, by some multiple times. Still not enough help.
@SmokeDetector What?
Alright, flagged both as abusive.
Oh, someone's edited them out
@Undo A user blanked out this troll's fantasies.
Hopefully the user account has been knocked out, not just the questions.
...and that is the case. yay.
Hi @MattDMo, been a while.
3:24 AM
@NormalHuman Howdy! Just popping in quick to bookmark the page under my newly created "In Case of SE/SO Emergency" folder :)
Good idea.
That's actually a good name for a room.
I'm not proposing to rename the Tavern; the name is established.
But maybe the RUOD room on Math could use the name... "In case of emergency"
I think that has a ring to it...
3:29 AM
Except it's a misleading title for a room that stands empty most of the time. :/
It also is a bit misleading because it isn't exactly supposed to be used only for emergencies.
I'll license it liberally for whomever wants to use it - MIT, perhaps?
Out of curiosity, what else have you categorized as "in case of SE/SO emergency"?
@MattDMo *whoever :)
@apnorton nothing yet, I just created the folder. I'm a Python guy, so perhaps Martijn Pieter's contact info?
@tchrist I can never remember which to use. grammarbook.com just gave me a helpful hint, but I'll probably forget it. I'm getting old...
3:37 AM
If you don’t remember, always only use who forms.
Now I'm curious... I thought it would have been "whomever" because it's the object of the preposition "for."
From the page I referenced: A word to the wise: Whomever is even more of a vogue word than whom. Many use it indiscriminately to sound cultured, figuring that no one will know any better.
@apnorton It isn’t.
The entire clause is the object of for.
And whoever is the subject of wants.
Ah. ok.
Give it to whoever wants it.
Give it to whomever you see.
The preposition is completely immaterial.
3:39 AM
That's much clearer to see side by side.
(Of course, this is why I like to stick to context-free grammars...)
Well, I'm headed offline. Goodnight, all.
4:06 AM
@SmokeDetector fpu-
"email in body" => usually false positive
"email in answer" => usually true positive
Except I can't collect statistics because the chat search is broken.
They’re keeping it in the haunted house.
So... was the new login system supposed to fix the problem of unregistered users confused between accounts?
If so, it hasn't.
4:20 AM
I just spent ~10 minutes figuring out a mess on Travel, where a user posted same question twice, from two different unregistered accounts, lost access to both, and began posting NAAs under them from a 3rd account.
Great UX all around.
4:39 AM
Was the unified login supposed to help with unregistered users?
I still have an orphan account on data.SE I can't get to, and a wrong that I can.
> We're working on a design for a complete revamp of the global login system (the one that in theory lets you log in on one site and be logged in automatically on the rest) - hopefully, it'll work to make login and registration a whole lot simpler...
I don't know what was supposed to become "a whole lot simpler".
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: FILES NOT WORKING PROPERLY AND NO AUDIO by connor joyce on blender.stackexchange.com
The users who can't maintain their unregistered account are not the ones going around the network posting on multiple sites.
4:46 AM
They are the ones panicking because FILES NOT WORKING PROPERLY AND NO AUDIO.
You don't seem to have to reauthenticate as often now.
I never did understand the caps lock freaks.
@NormalHuman That triggered a drama show at meta.chem.
Q: How many shots will it take me to kill you with a neutron gun?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.MRecently, I've seen a trend of $\mathcal{\color{red}{SCARY}}$ questions back on chem. They're mainly about this: Get the picture? No? OK, I'll be more straight-forward 1: How to dissolve fifteen elves and seventeen trolls ASAP? How much does it take to dissolve an angry bird with hydroc...

HDE is already at 15K on WorldBuilding... They sure vote generously.
@NormalHuman Almost all of their questions are basically how could I do <insert shocking thing here>? and when they want to imagine, they first click the up arrow.
I'm all for keeping fun out of Science category.
Yeah, there are already what if proposals at Area51.
We had our highest rep user complain about the recent decline in the quality of the questions the other day.
(Which I blame the graduation for)
How would graduation affect this?
5:14 AM
Get bigger, get more crap.
In the case of chem.SE, it's more new users dumping homework.
Of course, we nuke them, but then again, the pearl/trash ratio has decreased.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Well, you'd hardly expect that complaint from a low-rep user. :/
Ron was actually bringing this up in the meta a year before our graduation.
Q: State of the Union

ronI've been active on Chem SE for about 6 months. My perception is that things have changed significantly over that time. It seems to me that there were more thought provoking questions 6 months ago more answers to these questions more comments and dialog more voting on questions and answers ...

But the reasoning was something else.
Don't all sites have issues with quality control?
They do. But some people are here for the sake of fun.
5:19 AM
Aside: I notice there is a tight competition for #2 spot among all-time editors, while #1 is uncontested.
Of course, everyone is.
But I mean, some people don't care about meta and stuff.
They just look for good questions to answer.
@NormalHuman That #1 is hardly a guy.
But note that I've become an avid user was after those guys.
Martin's account is 2 years old, Ron is one year and half, but I don't even have yearling.
There's got to be serious growing pains when traffic increases 3x compared to last year.
@NormalHuman Must be a nice problem to have.
> That puts ELU in 6th place when it comes to close rate. (For the curious, the top 5 are Programmers, The Workplace, Network Engineering, Christianity, and Patents.) When compared to the median close rate of 15% (TeX—LaTeX and DBA), the grammar questions look pretty bad.
@NormalHuman Bingo!
By "nice problem" I meant competition for #2 editor slot.
5:27 AM
Is your source SEDE (deleted questions excluded)?
No, actually.
41% closed or deleted.
I thought Patents would be #1, with 80-90% closed.
A: Request for aggregate data regarding deleted questions with subjects containing CORRECT, GRAMMA, or RIGHT

Jon EricsonIncluding deleted questions: Deleted Closed Open Closed% Deleted% Cl or Del% ------- ------ ---- ------ -------- ---------- CORRECT 938 1513 1687 47% 29% 51% GRAMMA 250 341 333 51% 37% 54% RIGHT 111 17 294 38% 2...

So Jon included deleted questions.
That was kind of him.
But is there a difference between kindly (adjective) and kind, other than style?
5:31 AM
I haven't done anything more on it because I didn't feel (quite) annoyed enough to make a community proposal. SO implemented bans for much less cause.
The familar refrain always runs a kindly old man/woman/etc.
I suppose I could check the OED if you really were curious.
No, your explanation suffices.
As for "correct/right", an intermediate measure would be to issue a non-blocking warning when they are used in titles.
I hadn't considered a non-blocking warning. Did they do that for regex questions on SO, or was that just a proposal?
Hmm, half of ELL's question titles are is this grammatically correct?
Isn't that sad?
5:37 AM
It's kinda infuriating.
Oh, I know. That's what provoked me.
Q: Do you see the need for "buzzwords-in-question-titles" edits?

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.MI see a pretty similar discussion (no, not that similar) here. It's an ancient tradition in chemistry.SE to edit the buzzwords in question titles. (Don't think so? Take a look at these: 1, 2, 3, and 4) I see that usually the inexperienced users come up with something like these for question t...

Now I see if the community lent a hand, we could've cleaned up the mess.
And really, it isn't a good question anyway. They just want to know if it sounds weird to a native speaker. And those are the worst questions, mostly booleans you could ask of anyone.
@tchrist They do; sql and regex tags have tag-based messages.
Those aren't title-triggered messages. An example of title-triggered is what you see when typing "you" in question title.
5:41 AM
@NormalHuman Interesting. It's been . . . long time since my gold regex badge. Plus I doubt I ever asked a regex question. :)
@tchrist We have a, to my sorrow, Iranian user who always asks questions like However, as an educated and intelligent native speaker, how do you go for discerning between X & Y?
We've edited the "native request" like, 70 times outta his questions.
What site, ELL?
-1; do you know how bad I feel when I see a crappy question excluding me from the answerer list inheritedly just because I'm not a native speaker? If the comments below suffer a lack of logic, I'm very eager to hear your arguments against them. — inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Jul 28 at 19:50
@tchrist Yes.
We have non-native speakers on ELU who are better than 99.998% of native speakers.
@dlamblin. Well - it worked for me a few weeks ago. I'm very new to regular expressions and honestly did not know about regex101.com. I started typing, got the message, followed the link and played around until I got my regex to work. So that's one question avoided :) — SiHa Aug 4 at 11:17
5:44 AM
So you would be cutting off a good source if you excluded them.
My point exactly.
@NormalHuman Wow.
Now I'm not a really advanced and fluent learner. I'm just mediocre.
But his questions are not really superior to crap, and checking me outta the answerer's list just annoys me.
(I was wrong; the regex message is triggered by title, not by the tag.)
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Understood.
Our Russian mod is stunningly good at colloquial English.
So we could have a non-blocking title-triggered blurb. That's important to know.
5:52 AM
@tchrist Reg?
ELU and ELL are unique as SE sites in that anything somebody doesn't understand when they read it, they figure they can ask about.
Often it is nothing about English and all about them simply not knowing something, or being dim-witted.
I need to go. i HAZ CLASES. Later guys!
"My teacher said we have to do this on our own. Can Jane and Alice and Ted and Phil and I work on it together as long as we do it alone?"
We get those daily.
Are these answers spam?
Hmmm. Member for 3 years, 7 months, but these are his first posts.
6:05 AM
I'd say not quite spam, because relevant to questions and it's an open-source product.
But he should have disclosed affiliation in the answers.
@NormalHuman I came across one in LQP and flagged the other as VLQ
but not spam
Commenting with a link to stackoverflow.com/help/promotion is also an option.
Sometimes they really think they are being helpful.
Good idea, too tired to do that now though
6:13 AM
@NormalHuman thanks
going to bed, gn tavern
7:03 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: BUILDING GUI IN JAVA by Rohit Negi on superuser.com
7:16 AM
@SmokeDetector why
@NormalHuman Body - Position 51-56: Derma
@SmokeDetector fp- pffft
One-character edit to unanswered question from 2014
8:07 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in body: Click on each and every radio-button of a page by BoobaGump on stackoverflow.com
8:49 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Chinese character in title: JEditorPane 生成的图片大侠送翻倍 by shanxi_liyong on stackoverflow.com
9:33 AM
@Bart Am I your sock?
10:04 AM
Jul 6 '14 at 18:21, by Bart
You can do it @Cupcake. There's a little bit of Bart in all of you. How it got there I can't say, because that would get me into loads of legal trouble.
Ok, that is out of the way then....
10:19 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Using Present Simple or Present Continuos for future time by Olivia Raja on english.stackexchange.com
sd tpu-
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user: present or past participles? by Olivia Raja on english.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: will have + participle by Olivia Raja on english.stackexchange.com
Q: What are the best tools to costomize ubuntu 15.04 distro

Basanth JenuI had to install some packages in the ubuntu distro for college group purpose. Found some tools like remastersys and UCK. But many said that they are not compatible with 14.04 and 15.04. Please tell me about the best tools currently available for customization of 15.04

11:04 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: partical correlation in mixed case binomial and gaussian by JammyGood on math.stackexchange.com
@SmokeDetector fpu- reference to baba
Wait so hold on... is Denver primary now?
11:57 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: Rare road movie with the protagonist resembling Philip Seymour Hoffman by Vlad on movies.stackexchange.com
@hichris123 sort of yeah, without some bits...
Like chat search and stacksnippets
@SmokeDetector why
@vaultah Body - Position 438-446: shithole
12:17 PM
@NormalHuman kindly: 5a. Of persons: Having a friendly benevolent disposition; kind-hearted, good-natured. Hence also of character, feelings, actions, etc. Cf. kind adj.⁵.
12:40 PM
@SmokeDetector gone
Hardly its greatest sin.
1:27 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user: will have + participle by Olivia Raja on english.stackexchange.com
1:37 PM
@SmokeDetector Ugh, accidentally flagged it as NAA because I didn't see the edit
@KevinBrown Nevermind, a mod will come
Is Stack Snippets offline?
@KevinBrown Last I checked,yes
Know any famous users with an empty about me?
1:53 PM
Q: After the move to Denver Stacksnippets.net is offline

reneAfter the move of all services to Denver it was tweeted that there was some performance degradation. Initial reports showed that at least chat search seemded to be the victim of that. I would like to add Stacksnippets to that list of reduced functionality. <h1>help!</h1> If this is ...

^^ wonder how Mr. Silk Road is going? Looks like he hasn't logged in for a while...
@PeterJ He's supposed to be in jail
Yes, Supposed
Dunno where he is
I wonder, do prisoners get access to the internet while in prison?
1:59 PM
Sits in jail
how you know?
Emails partner to rescue
They don’t call it prison for nothing.
He probably picked the worst country in the world to run it from - just looked up and life without parole
2:00 PM
huh! you're all wrong
Internet use in prisons allows inmates to communicate with the outside. Much like the use of telephones in prisons, the use of the internet under supervision, for various purposes, is approved in 49 U.S. correctional systems and five Canadian provinces. Each of the reporting U.S. systems, except Hawaii, Iowa, Nebraska and Nevada, use computers to employ inmate educational programs, as do all five reporting provinces in Canada. There are 36 reporting U.S. systems to handle inmate health issues via telemedicine. However much like the use of mobile phones in prison, internet access without supervision...
> In the United States, the Federal Bureau of Prisons, an agency of the U.S. Department of Justice, has put into place the Trust Fund Limited Inmate Computer System (TRULINCS) on February 19, 2009. This allows inmates access to electronic messaging through e-mails. The message must be text only, and must be conducted in a secure manner between inmate and the public. Messages are subject to monitoring.
@ShadowWizard It's PeterJ's fault.
@Peter ^
lol, actually I was about to say life without parole in Australia is pretty unusual but I used to go to school with two of the relative few (comparitively) that have managed it
Two outta three ain’t bad odds.
2:39 PM
@PeterJ lol, so they were not as smart as you and thus got caught..... ;)
2:51 PM
@shadow heh probably ;). Actually not sure what sentence you'd get here for the same thing but never heard above 20 years for drug trafficking. The more infamous of the two I used to go to school with was: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant
> + 1,035 years
a true villain
@PeterJ it wasn't just drugs, he also traded women, sold weapons etc
but worst of all, he made fun of the FBI
I suspect that's the real cause for the punishment
One simply does not mess with the FBI
> CSS Animations do not work in Internet Explorer 9 and earlier versions.
As always
I'm surprised that "Internet Explorer does work in Internet Explorer 9 and earlier versions."
They might remove that functionality in near future though.
3:13 PM
IE doesn't work.
I'm pretty sure VBScript would still work on Edge
IE never works
!!/report IE
@ShadowWizard That does not look like a valid post URL.
3:15 PM
should be changed to That does not look like a valid browser ^^
[ SmokeDetector ] Email in body: White screen after updating functions.php by Marc on wordpress.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: Meteor re-renders array incorrectly when db is updated? by user1855596 on stackoverflow.com
Yeah . . . Some people can't talk like adults ™.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M TRADEMARK?
3:30 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of body: One of the first interventions carried out by meganbarnett on drupal.stackexchange.com
sd tpu-
4:25 PM
It works too well
4:42 PM
@hichris123 Only for the time being. They moved the services to Denver to (1) test that it can handle them; (2) upgrade stuff in New Jersey. After all is done, we'll be back in NJ. Except SEDE, which will stay in CO.
@SmokeDetector fp-
4:57 PM
@SmokeDetector fp- the OP is trying to block those sites. Nice list though
5:10 PM
@NormalHuman I wonder how many on that list are on your list
Q: Please help me to understand LQP flagging

durron597So last night I decided to try an experiment, using SEDE to find low quality answers using some secret sauce, which isn't really relevant to this discussion. Out of 35 flags, I got 19 helpful and 16 declined. Before I want to continue, my metric for following through on flagging is "Would I have...

@durron597 Maybe some mod was reviewing them also at 2 a.m.?
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I can tell from the successes that not all of them were handled by the same mod
Then what if those 16 flags were handled by a mod that became angry because of your flag spree?
It wasn't 16 consecutive declined flags either, seemingly random distribution
I mean, that's possible
So I just checked all the helpfuls, it looks like maybe 35% were deleted by LQP review, 50% were deleted by one mod, and the other 15% by another mod
though some of them were NAA flags; I only NAA flagged the ones I was very, very sure would be helpful.
okay, going to get breakfast. at 12:20 pm
There is a common trend in questions there: the OP says "my X hurts when I do Y", and nobody knows exactly why.
5:21 PM
So people who also had pain in X when doing Y (perhaps for a completely different reason) post their answers: I did Z and it helped me.
They don't necessarily know why Z helped.
@NormalHuman Why am I thinking of putting . . . other things in the place of X & Y?
The question gets a collection of such suggestions Z1,...., Zn. Later, other people come across the question when searching because their X also hurts when they do Y -- probably for a reason other than OP's.
They'll be trying all these answers; if not successful, look at other questions mentioning X and Y, and try answers there. This is why SO has so many page loads relative to visits.
Hey I've seen this trend a lot in TeX forums.
5:24 PM
So.... should we insist on the answerer being able to explain their suggestion of Z? I don't know. I steer clear of any such questions.
And the answers are usually not helpful at all.
Most of them aren't, because the possible underlying causes are many.
> Oh hey, I just touched and held the power button for 5 seconds. It solved it for me.
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) I need to flip a table now.
Yes, this is the pattern of user-oriented sites (SU, AU, Android, ...). There, this kind of Q&A is par for the course. On SO they stand out a bit because many questions do have enough information for a definitive answer.
But one can't make a MCVE out of Visual Studio 2015.
5:32 PM
I think of those questions as being on superuser.stackoverflow.com
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M pases table
Too late.
I already broke The Periodic Table.
Falls on floor
Computer breaks
5:52 PM
Computer reassembled
@SmokeDetector fp- spammers don't post https:// links do they?
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