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[ SmokeDetector ] Nested quote blocks in body: how to solve NT_STATUS_HOST_UNREACHABLE in CentOS when connecting to (windows) file server via SAMBA by a deleted user on serverfault.com

bjb568

@hichris123 It's vectory art, perfect for SVG.

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A: Why are most game controllers left handed?

@ user1757436 stimulus response association is built not innate, we aren't born associating a red traffic light to the braking pedal. We learn it. So is stimulus response of game controllers. In other words, most people grow up using left handed controllers and therefore it becomes natural to the...

wot?

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[ SmokeDetector ] Nested quote blocks in answer: Why did G.K. Chesterton convert to Catholicism? by user11336 on christianity.stackexchange.com

bjb568

7:16 PM

@SmokeDetector eww

I'd flag it as offensive without the context of the question.

The whole site is crap.

JonasCz

@bjb568 It has 8k users, so someone likes it :-)

bjb568

LQ users

You can see similar on SO

rene

Thankfully bjb can't vote on users

passed c++ audit

Infinite Recursion

@rene Done

bjb568

@rene Wrong room?

hichris123

7:27 PM

aww.

Infinite Recursion

All pins cleared @Roombatron5000. Sorry for the delay....

hichris123

You gave in to the bots, @Inf. ;P

rene

@bjb568 yes, sorry

Doorknob

@InfiniteRecursion Maybe pin this?

yesterday, by Doorknob

@bluefeet is becoming a Community Manager!

Infinite Recursion

Noooo, I didn't @hichris123

rene

7:29 PM

@InfiniteRecursion wonderful, thanks and sorry for filling up your inbox

bjb568

Enough pins!

Infinite Recursion

@rene I just had two pings :)

Enough bjb!

Braiam

you sure?

for (true) ping(inf)

bjb568

s/for/while/

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@Braiam :O

Doorknob

7:32 PM

s/true/;;/

(golfed)

hichris123

@Doorknob wouldn't it then need to be for(;;)p(i)?

bjb568

If ping isn't already in your context.

But inf -> i is probably a good idea

Braiam

@hichris123 so now @inf === i, noted

hichris123

Not to be confused with I, of course.

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[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: Is it safe to use my US iPhone/iPad charger with a simple European plug adapter? by erchert on apple.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: В КАКИХ СЛУЧАЯХ ЗАДАЮТСЯ КАЖДЫЙ ИЗ ВОПРОСОВ ,И КАКОЙ ИЗ НИХ ,ВООБЩЕ, НЕПРАВИЛЬНЫЙ? by Ищущий полезные знания on rus.stackexchange.com

user259867

7:43 PM

@SmokeDetector ignore-eww

Undo

@bjb568 One of my friends sent an iPhone through a washing machine. Put it in a bag of white rice, works perfectly. Amazed me.

bjb568

Huh.

Braiam

@SmokeDetector I'm in a fence... that answers the question...

Undo

Sounds painful

Barbed wire?

;)

Jan Dvorak

@Undo he didn't say "literally"

Undo

7:50 PM

don't even get me started on that word. It's literally the most ambiguous and useless word ever.

Jan Dvorak

false

I'd say the most ambiguous is "can".

I can can can cans, for example.

Alexis King

Ooh, thanks for reorganizing the pins, @Inf. :)

Jan Dvorak

or perhaps "abusive". That one's pretty ambiguous, too

bjb568

Can somebody summarize (or link to an article) what's wrong with having <script> and <style> in the HTML, rather than having them in separate files?

Jan Dvorak

english, please

bjb568

8:01 PM

You don't like the logicz?

Jan Dvorak

reason: inline scripts don't benefit from caching

rene

Not if the whole page is cached...

Jan Dvorak

rarely is

bjb568

I can make it be cached.

What if there's only like 20 lines of CSS?

user259867

> There is a tradeoff here between requests and cacheability: including the CSS directly in the HTML avoids making an additional request to the external CSS resource, but if the CSS file is large (and doesn't change often), it may be better to keep it separate from the HTML so that it can be cached by the browser. developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/module/filter-css-inline

rene

8:05 PM

Maintainability can be another argument

bjb568

I'm thinking of getting rid of all inline JS/CSS and banning it with CSP to be extra secure.

@rene I started converting some pages, it's a lot less bad than I thot having more files. I think separation of HTML/CSS/JS kind of has its elegance.

Jan Dvorak

also, yeah... you want the separation of concerns

rene

If you have more people working on that stuff having it in separate files is a benefit as well

Jan Dvorak

less merging

Braiam

if you use the same CSS on several pages... an extra file which is cached on first request and reused, even if small, it would be a big gain (also scalability)

bjb568

8:09 PM

I also need to split some HTML out of the server file :p

rene

Can we turn up the central heating a bit? Someone is having bluefeet

Braiam

8:24 PM

@rene you are lucky that bluefeet doesn't have diamond here yet

rene

I know, this was the last chance I could risk it....

hichris123

@bjb568 Then probably don't bother; it's a whole 'nother request.

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bjb568

@hichris123 But I only have a couple of those, I kinda want to do the CSP blocking…

rene

@hichris123 you would need to bother if you were on my project....

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8:29 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Nested quote blocks in answer: Seagate Momentus XT corrupting files (Linux and Mac) by Michael on superuser.com

hichris123

@bjb568 ... you don't even have SSL set up correctly... and you're worrying about security? O..kay.. then.

But really, you're adding another request.

bjb568

Man in the middle attacks aren't all that common. XSS is way easier to do.

hichris123

You won't need a DNS lookup... but it'll still cost 50-500ms.

bjb568

Anyway, I'm doing stuff in stages, progressing toward having a production-ready site.

hichris123

@bjb568 That's a lie. Most corporations are MiTM'ing with webfilters.

Now, if that's malicious or not... shrug

in the eye of the beholder.

bjb568

8:32 PM

Yeah, I'll get SSL running, sometime.

Now, if you feel passionate enough about it… you could do it yourself!

hichris123

@bjb568 That would involve me learning node.

Well, maybe -- next week.

bjb568

:D

hichris123

Then I'll be out of school.

bjb568

I'll have more time too.

Braiam

you poor boys, I'm out of ~~school~~ college since yesterday!

(and I start the 1 of June again T_T)

bjb568

8:37 PM

Oh, college isn't skewl now?

*school

*kewl

***

I'm out of school since 1994

Undo

Er... okay

Doorknob

8:41 PM

O_o

bjb568

:D

Undo

The first sentence is true.

The next two, I don't even.

I don't think fasting is on the job requirements for CMing.

user259867

@Undo bjb meant he's not going to eat the aforementioned bird

Undo

I guess it's a good idea not to try to eat your soon-to-be overlord.

hichris123

I don't suppose there's any way to make a 700x600 image not look horrible in a 1080p video?

Undo

8:43 PM

@hichris123 You might try turning it into a vector, depending on what it is

hichris123

@Undo It's a png.

Undo

but what is it a picture of?

Text? Diagram? Kitteh?

bjb568

@Undo A picture of text?

hichris123

Text + characters... basically a comic book slide.

Undo

@bjb568 The world is a scary place

@hichris123 yeah, try Inkscape

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A: App to convert existing image files to vector graphics?

Inkscape is an opensource vector graphics program available for Linux, Mac and Windows. It supports raster to vector conversion using the Potrace bitmap tracing engine as documented in this tutorial. It supports at a minimum png input and svg output. Here is sample output: Top row left to r...

hichris123

8:46 PM

ooh cool.

Expect it's downloading at 0.1 MB/s. :(

bjb568

make it faster!

Undo

@hichris123 Windows installer downloads fine for me

bjb568

give it some vroomvroom

hichris123

I'll be back in 8 minutes. :P

Undo

What's speedof.me say?

hichris123

8:50 PM

@Undo 10 Mbps.

So 1.25 MB/s.

Undo

hrm

@hichris123 Try the https version of the download link

I've run into problems before with ISPs "helping" with caching.

bjb568

60 down, 6 up for me

hichris123

ugh.

Supposedly gigabit is coming to here soon.

@Undo That was https.

Undo

oh, weird

hichris123

Finally done.

hichris123

9:06 PM

@Undo I think I'm just going to leave it. Doesn't handle all of the colors I'm using too well.

bjb568

See, people type worse than me.

bjb568

9:48 PM

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Q: Is it possible to have CSP only apply to the parent frame, not any iframes?

If I have a webpage with CSP set to: default-src 'self'; img-src * Or similar, and I have an iframe like such: some legal content <iframe sandbox="allow-scripts" srcdoc="<script>alert('arbitrary code')</script>"></iframe> Is it possible to allow the code in the iframe to disobey the p...

Braiam

@bjb568 are those html entities actually there?

the < in particular

bjb568

@Braiam Yes

It's inside the srcdoc, so it needs to be escaped.

hichris123

Is there any way to do something like this? (add a divider in one column of a table where the text ends in the other column)

^ (in my poor artwork)

user259867

10:13 PM

@hichris123 what kind of table?

Doorknob

In HTML/CSS?

bjb568

Of course it's ⋄.

hichris123

@Yes An HTML table.

@Doorknob yeah.

bjb568

Does it have to be a table?

Doorknob

Just set the td on the top left to border-bottom: 1px solid black.

hichris123

10:15 PM

It would make it a lot easier if it was, @bjb568.

bjb568

wasn't?

Doorknob

no, was

It would have to be super hacky and terrible if it weren't a <table>.

bjb568

Meh

hichris123

@Doorknob ... here we go.

bjb568

So if the left column only has 1 cell before the line, the td will expand to fill the tr's height.

hichris123

10:17 PM

Oh wait nevermind that's not my problem at all. :P

bjb568

…

MCRV ∨ whatever the acronym is

MCVE

hichris123

^ Okay, actual problem.

The text on the left column is in the middle, of course.

But it should be in the middle of the top left <td>.

Now, I don't want to hardcode a pixel amount... so... is there an easier way to align it?

Doorknob

Make an empty <td> in the bottom left?

hichris123

Right, but then it shows a border.

Doorknob

So make it not have a border

hichris123

10:20 PM

Even if I make it show no borders... it still looks weird.

Doorknob

Weird how?

bjb568

Why do I feel that you shouldn't be using a table for this?

Braiam

@hichris123 vertical align 25%?

hichris123

@Doorknob Uh hold on...

@Doorknob Oh right, the bottom right isn't a cell, it's just part of the <td> with an <hr>.

Braiam

....

Doorknob

10:25 PM

oh...

Make it another <td> then

hichris123

Is that the easiest way?

Doorknob

yes

hichris123

You have failed me, CSS.

bjb568

@hichris123 No, you just don't understand how to use CSS.

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hichris123

@bjb568 Well, I should at least be able to align it above the middle without hardcoding a pixel value.

I don't care if it's aligned with the text or not.

I just want it higher up.

bjb568

10:31 PM

You want to have a table with 4 tds, for some reason, but only have 2?

This is also trivial to do without tables, which you probably shouldn't be using for this.

siiiigh… parenting.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/8624

Undo

10:51 PM

@bjb568 CSS Purists: 0.001% of web developers; "I just want the stuff to look good on the page": The rest.

bjb568

11:08 PM

:p

user259867

11:19 PM

Purity would be using <table> for tables and not using it for non-tables. It wasn't very clear whether the thing that hichris wants has the meaning of a table.

hichris123

Is it tabular data, you mean? No.

bjb568

You not only don't understand how to use CSS, you also don't understand semantics in HTML.

Braiam

11:42 PM

addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/disable-dhe/reviews/…

unless you have firefox 39, install that ^

Doorknob

Is this for Logjam?

Braiam

addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/disable-dhe