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[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, Blacklisted website: http://www.strongmenmuscle.com/pure-moringa-slim/ by AuraC on drupal.stackexchange.com

@SmokeDetector tpu

@Mooseman Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

@Woodface I wouldn't be surprised with these guys.

@tchrist I saw you ravage that poor guy's "s just now.

1:05 PM

Did you read the secret comments, too?

I did.

I don’t edit posts in order to fix a posting’s “quotation marks”, but if I’m in there anyway, no reason not to improve its aesthetics.

The inconsistency of ® in fonts is kind of annoying.

Yeah.

In the edit box, it’s already raised.

Of course, anything that’s already a superscript in that face is always going to look better than using HTML to create superiors. But that choice is available to only a few glyphs.

I’m frankly surprised that @bjb noticed I’m virtually always using real apostrophes here. Nobody else ever has.

I can't find a reference for it but I'm 99% sure ® isn't supposed to be naturally superscript in fonts, and the ones that display it that way are the troublemakers.

1:10 PM

Straight quotes look horrible in Georgia. In some faces, they look less bad. I do have a pet peeve about people who post curly quotes and such in code blocks where the compiler wouldn’t put up with them.

Aren't there two separate codepoints, one which is a superscript and one that isn't?

@JanDvorak No.

That’s the rub.

there should be

Unclear. Perhaps.

‭ ®  00AE       REGISTERED SIGN
        = registered trade mark sign (1.0)
        x (circled latin capital letter r - 24C7)
‭ ™  2122       TRADE MARK SIGN
        x (circled wz - 1F12E)
        # <super> 0054 004D
‭ 🄮  1F12E      CIRCLED WZ
        * from the German term "Warenzeichen"
        * indicate a trademarked term without making a legal claim of trademark status
        x (trade mark sign - 2122)
        # <circle> 0057 005A

Question on SE software: How long does it take for changes in posts to be reflected in non-SEDE search results?

Monday.

Data dumps refresh every

um no

/hide

1:15 PM

Ayup.

Next? :)

I just dedicated 3 minutes of my life to searching for that on meta. I give up.

I'd say, they update much fast, but not much very fast.

I know when I edit tags on a post, the search results take some time to update, but it's on the order of ones of minutes.

One minute made no difference.

Which has nothing to do with minute maids.

Maybe the upgrade to second maids was too expensive.

I’ve heard of a second childhood but never a second maidenhood.

A: How does Stack Overflow implement its search indexing?

12

This isn't really a dupe since it's asking about implementation so I'll give it a go. Our methodology to most things is this: do it simple if dead simple doesn't work then make it only as complex as it needs to be to function optimize as much as is warranted (is it rare, is the user waiting o...

30 seconds on SO, 5 minutes on other sites, 10 minutes on metas, at least in July 2013, with the qualifier "What will the setup be this time next year? Who knows..."

user259867

1:28 PM

Anyone wants to edit the title of Is it acceptable to use “To broad” as a substitute close reason for zero effort questions? ... no suggested edits on meta

user259867

I keep thinking it gives some sort of directions...

@Woodface meta.stackoverflow.com/posts/288967/revisions there were some in the text, too. That was super annoying.

I also fixed the quote in the answer to match, lol. It was too much.

Q: Is cassandra at all a GOOD DB to choose?

hrmmm:

0

I'm Researching on Cassandra for over 2 weeks just have the full grasp on the same and still I'm not convinced that will Cassandra ever be a right model for any kind of application? I've read almost all the web about Cassandra and still not clear over some concepts. Following are the ones:- 1) ...

cassandra

That's a crappy title.

Feels pob... thoughts?

For some reason that question feels almost OK to me. I guess it's on the edge. The title needs some work.

Skip

Just kidding. I feel pretty good about "too broad" on that one. Not necessarily opinion-based. It just has too many questions over a really wide range of non-specific things.

1:46 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: how to print new word after two lines using awk by star on unix.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: SOMANDO COLUNA COM JQUERY by Furlan on pt.stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Expired UK Passport number by Wendy Sleat on travel.stackexchange.com

delv-pls 20k stackoverflow.com/q/29347269/1234256

2:16 PM

@SmokeDetector fp, but terrible question.

@AstroCB Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

@SmokeDetector fp

@AstroCB Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/29347609/… lacks minimal example; he was given a lot of chances.

[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, Blacklisted website: http://www.strongmenmuscle.com/pure-moringa-slim/ by jeramin on meta.stackexchange.com

2:21 PM

@SmokeDetector tpu

@AstroCB Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

Test.

Anyone here own an Android?

There's a notification that won't expand itself. How can I expand it?

Yi Jiang

@Unihedro I usually drag down on notifications to expand them

@YiJiang I've been doing that for fifteen minutes.

Yi Jiang

2:33 PM

If not maybe there isn't enough space, and you have to swipe away or tap on the other ones to do it

Now, is the device actually performing poorly?

Eh, the concern is the error - it seems important.

What happens when you press it?

...nothing. Then it pops up after 2 seconds.

It's from the google play app if I hold it and go to "app info".

2:36 PM

Is landscape mode wide enough?

Yeah, it is. Thanks!

Feeds

We are enabling CloudFlare routing on http://meta.stackexchange.com in a just a bit. Let us know if you see any craziness!

Tweeted by StackStatus on March 30, 2015 at 2:34 PM

I had to log out and back in of an account synced to my device because the auth key changed.

Blame CloudFlare and SE.

@JasonC Agree... it is broad. They're asking for us to model the db based off of our (limited) knowledge of the OP's enterprise.

@JasonC But - there are going to be lots of different takes on how to do that, so I could totally see POB.

Feels like a cv either way.

need-one-more: stackoverflow.com/q/29347423/656243

user259867

2:44 PM

> @StackStatus I saw a guy on the subway wearing a Speedo and juggling. -- Matt Sherman at 7:36 AM - 30 Mar 2015 via Twitter

@AstroCB Is that even salvagable? It is nearly incomprehensible. unix.stackexchange.com/q/193381/7454

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: Do we know if the Dutch vulgar/slang term “stront” is related to the Italian vulgar/slang term “stronzo”? by hippietrail on linguistics.stackexchange.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector ignore

@Woodface Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

user259867

3:03 PM

Neat presentation: haneycodes.net/stackoverflow

Too many down arrows.

Shadow Wizard

lol, some good pictures in there

user259867

Developers: smart & get things done. Community Team (shown on the photo): fail fast.

Undo

ProTip: If your humidifier works too well, the smoke alarm goes off in the middle of the night >:(

user259867

3:21 PM

@Haney You used old question render stats (33ms) in the SO presentation; post-upgrade it's about half of that.

user259867

> The decrease on question render times (from approx 30-35ms to 10-15ms) -- Nick Craver

sweet

I hadn't caught up on the stats prior to publishing this ;)

user259867

Yep, the SE Performance page is out of date already. Good problem to have, I suppose.

@Woodface where did you find the pres?

Andy

He's stalking you.

3:23 PM

I mean I literally gave it to a group of 70 people in Orlando, FL on Saturday, how are internet peeps finding it 2 days later?

prior to that talk it never existed online

user259867

@Haney You tweeted it. (Or, what Andy said)

Ahh OK. I guess I just assume that nobody reads my Tweets. :P

Andy

cough Stalker

> Only cache things that are read more than written

Caches Haney's tweets.

3:27 PM

or things that are easier to update than to compute from scratch

user259867

> Coffee Roulette: paired with random employee for remote coffee

@JanDvorak also useful, that would be more of a denormalized structure/form though

@Woodface someone gets a decaf randomly and who falls asleep gets fired?

like adding 1 whenever a post is created to a post count instead of select COUNT(1) FROM Posts every time and so on

user259867

> Almost all conversations held in open company chat rooms and Hangouts

user259867

3:30 PM

Hm, where are those?

open to the company :P

across team, etc.

user259867

> No Project Managers: devs manage their projects

user259867

A few people do have the title of PM.

Product Manager

subtly different

user259867

Oops.

user259867

3:32 PM

And... that completes this session of fact-checking @Haney's presentation. Good job. Off to a class.

Thank you, hope you enjoyed. :)

Shadow Wizard

@Haney yup, I did :)

You should bury an easter egg with the right combination of arrow presses in there somewhere.

Or just trap people on a page, Lost Woods style.

hah, Konami Code maybe

this gives me an evil idea...

Whatever it is, I fully support it.

3:36 PM

Excellent. Glad to have you on board.

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in answer, Repeating characters in answer: Reaching an address with ollydbg by memarice371 on reverseengineering.stackexchange.com

@SmokeDetector tpu spam

anyone wanna flag that?

Roombatron5000

@SmokeDetector tpu

@Roombatron5000 Blacklisted user.

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: SharePoint 2013 Workflow Multiple Approval/Signature required by user3111629 on sharepoint.stackexchange.com

Roombatron5000

@SmokeDetector tpu

3:46 PM

@Roombatron5000 Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

@SmokeDetector tp

3:57 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website, Blacklisted user: Deleting Skype history not deleting from main.db by Ren on superuser.com

spam superuser.com/a/895832/172747 preply

@SmokeDetector rpu

@SmokeDetector tpu

@bummi boom

@LynnCrumbling Blacklisted user.

@Mooseman 8 accounts, there will come more :/

4:04 PM

@bummi get a mod's attn to del the acct?

@bummi Flag one of them with a custom flag with your suspicions; they're pretty good about taking it from there and figuring out the rest of the users involved.

@bummi Go for the SO acct

no further posts yet

Network profile activity: stackexchange.com/users/5837738/ren?tab=activity

Roombatron5000

stand by..

4:06 PM

Do you have a link to a deleted SO post by that user?

my last spam flag

@bummi this

That's SU. I don't have enough rep to see deleted posts there.

@LynnCrumbling yes

I already have two tab open ... :/

Is there an RSS feed for a specific user's network activity?

4:10 PM

feature-request :)

@JasonC Now THAT would be an interesting trick to teach a bot.

Are you aware that all sites in the network provide this functionality? e.g. stackoverflow.com/feeds/user/<userid>;

@vaultah That's a nice link to have.

@vaultah Yes.

Use individual site feeds with an aggregator.

@JasonC Okay then :p

4:15 PM

"Network activity" = the aggregate of all of those; e.g. the data from stackexchange.com/users/5837738/ren?tab=activity. It does not exist (meta.stackexchange.com/questions/151519/…, I've verified that the links there are still relevant at the current time.) There is various interesting discussion linked to from that post.

@Mooseman Well, that doesn't track new accounts.

@JasonC 'tis true, but one could scrape http://stackexchange.com/users/1279912/mooseman?tab=accounts

Yeah, periodic scraping is the only way to do it right now, although that's only really convenient for bots and stuff, not so great for, say, an RSS feed reader app. I asked if a network feed existed to avoid that. It doesn't. But it looks like some people were working on various things to that effect, maybe, in some of those other discussions -- they're kind of all watered down due to age now though.

I can't imagine that a feature request hasn't been posted before, though. I just haven't found it yet. I'm presuming a network activity feed doesn't exist for a reason.

Hmm; meta.stackexchange.com/questions/238494/… disappointing.

@Mooseman an Other flag on a Meta account would be a fine idea ...

@bummi ???

Hey @Haney, do you know if there's some technical reason why a network user activity RSS feed doesn't exist? E.g. a feed for stackexchange.com/users/userid?tab=activity. My research is failing.

4:22 PM

I don't believe there's a technical reason. Meta post it feature-request

@Mooseman will never fly, the opportunity to leave MOD comments or fish flags on an user account, invisible MOD only view, no badges, just as info

@Mooseman A network-wide activity page exists.

@bummi I'm still not sure what you mean...

Afternoon!

ProgramFOX

Afternoon!

4:28 PM

I talk here in the chat some time ago if it would be nice to have the ability to leave comments or a kind of feeling flag which would be bound on users, not on post ... with enough of those an alerts might be triggered for mods for an inspection. Sometimes things can't be flagged (less evidence) in sum, give be many users it could be something like collective intelligence ...

Afternoon!

@bummi what's wrong with flagging posts and having system handle user quality score based on their posts?

^^

@bummi Are you referring to e.g. stackexchange.com/users/5837738/ren?

@JasonC the name is the same mine has 8 accounts

@bummi Yes, stackexchange.com/users/5837738/ren?tab=accounts, I just didn't link to the account tab. Same user. But is that the type of user you are referring to that you'd like to see "feeling flags" on?

ProgramFOX

4:36 PM

SPAM answer still alive reverseengineering.stackexchange.com/a/8603/11769

SPAM reverseengineering.stackexchange.com/a/8604/12075

@JasonC yes, but just as comment, enough comments could trigger an action by the mod's

@bummi What's wrong with this:

Hey @Shog9 can you kill stackexchange.com/users/5837738/ren?tab=accounts? All spam, been around for a while.

@JasonC he had only one AFAIK, I don't think he can be killed

another one had 3 with 7 accounts, I wrote to contact us, no response/action yet

user259867

@ProgramFOX gone

4:42 PM

@bjb568 nothing, sometimes the evidence is weak, you have the feeling of a voting fraud but can't be sure, have the strong feeling of something fishy is going on (if you come back later many of these users are nuked)

Well, attention has been brought, so it's out of our hands now. I trust the CMs to take care of it. If a user is around for a while, and "contact us" doesn't give response (give it more than a few days, I'm sure the queue is long), you can annoy a CM in chat like I do. And in the mean time, just keep flagging spam as it comes up. As long as the spam itself is destroyed it doesn't really matter if one or two accounts stick around for a while afterwards.

I think it's relatively (compared to well-handled spam) rare enough that it doesn't necessarily warrant a new mechanic.

agree

I hate empty coffee cups. The desperation of letting the cup sit flat so the drops collect at the bottom, then trying to let the last bit dribble into your mouth. It's horrible.

@JasonC refill

@JasonC that's why I refrain from posting a feature request on Meta, I think a kind of swarm intelligence might be useful, but most people won't agree ... I'll live with my lists :)

4:46 PM

@JasonC hot chocolate

Same with empty cigarette boxes. I always look in them a little harder as if I missed one.

quit smoking!

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: Please help identify this character by Anon on anime.stackexchange.com

seems to be an answer filled for 30 characters

ProgramFOX

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/252307/…

4:52 PM

"Approve tag wiki edits" is such an anticlimactic privilege.

not familiar with this, would "Questions requesting illegal copyrighted and/or licensed materials are off-topic on this site. See ..." fit? if it's indeed a picture of this?

How do geckos defy gravity? - Eleanor Nelsen

►

@JasonC mostly abused

@bummi Are you talking about the question on anime?

@JasonC yes

5:03 PM

@bummi That doesn't fit. Identification questions are on-topic on anime, and asking for the name of a character isn't requesting illegal copyrighted or licensed materials. Asking for, say, a link to download a rip of a DVD for free, would be an example.

(one time is not enough :D)

Braiam

@nicael mmmmm

what favicon is just an X?

I mean, he must be a new mod :D I have never received three messages in a row, he probably not sure how to use the tools properly :D

Lol

@Braiam find it out :)

5:06 PM

@Braiam treasurehunting.stackexchange.com

Braiam

@JasonC that makes sense

[treasurehunting.se]

@Braiam (moreover, you'll have to guess, coz not only one SE site has this icon :D)

ufff, one is gone :)

^ Always wins

5:10 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in answer, Repeating characters in answer, Blacklisted user: Reaching an address with ollydbg by memarice371 on reverseengineering.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: Generate a conga report with account and 3 custom objects by Robert Boyd on salesforce.stackexchange.com

Also, we can have a new CM:

stackexchange.com/users/1399708/jnat?tab=accounts - (as of 41 mins he has a diamond)

@SmokeDetector repost

reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/30rvl0/a_guy_texts_his_neighbor

> Age: 95

Night!

Night!

5:19 PM

Isn't it kinda late for uni?

0117

Was having an unproductive day, time flies really quick like that, I didn't even notice.

@bjb568 This is why I don't go on reddit. My time slowly disappears...

:P

reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/30rem9/…

I should turn off the internet and start working…

5:30 PM

Go build DD

ok, ok, goodbye world

\o/

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Connecting a chromebook to Cloud SQL by jkokjhgfcxz on stackoverflow.com

gone \o/, was tp

/o\

\o/

/o\

\o/

/o\

\o/

/o\

\o/

5:38 PM

nope

Please don't kick me :'(

is the question On Topic?

Not sure. It might be programming related

??? stackoverflow.com/q/29334193/3622940

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: STRANGE PLOTTING by JJ Henry on tex.stackexchange.com

@Unihedro this one as answer? gaming.stackexchange.com/q/122435/93824 comment

5:51 PM

@Tim chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/3225958#3225958 ;)

6:05 PM

Almost done with chat mod queue, yay. Gonna go eat burger!

6:23 PM

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/29353253/…

stackoverflow.com/posts/29353199/revisions

:/

roll it back?

(to mine?)

Santa Claus

@bjb568 At least somebody has seen my meta post.

@nicael while I'd prefer yours, it's his post, not worth a war ....

And I thought about the same, so I didn't do it :)

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/29353199/…

6:32 PM

@nicael we not gonna see you anymore then :p

which Disney princess is that now?

@nicael He seems to have submitted, for now. Don't rollback if he rolls back though. I think it would be way funnier to have a different person edit out the backticks each time.

@jason I'll sugest the edit

looks like hidden spam for dbx.viewertool.com this patterns seems to appear more often now (4 day old question and an answer with indirect spam ; I'm not saying it's a seed)

http://superuser.com/a/895890/172747

@bummi Definitely spam. Answer copied from experts-exchange.com/Software/Internet_Email/Email/….

James

6:47 PM

@JasonC You're not allowed to swear like that here!

the... hyphen site?

@JasonC I already flagged with other, second today, I think in future I can use regular spam for those ... the pattern should be known then

@Tim why?.. (that was sandbox, didn't you get it?)

@Tim Rapunzel, you should have guessed :)

@bummi It seems they copied the original answer text verbatim, and then just replaced the link, using an otherwise innocuous forum for an indirect link. Evil.

@nicael send me a mod message?

6:53 PM

@JasonC I don't have an account there ...

@bummi The question is spam seed. It is also copied verbatim from the same source that the answer was copied from.

@bummi If you mean on EE Google has it cached, bit.ly/1DlzuaS

@JasonC I mentioned the pattern in the other, the mod will know :)

is ee not scraping se?

@Tim Not unless they're falsifying dates (EE post was 2009) and then replacing spam links with helpful links. In which case, more power to them.

ahh okay

6:55 PM

unless it means we have to keep spam on our site

i saw one like that that was scraping (with attribution tho so it was fine)

EE sucks but I have never known them to be blatant scrapers. They're not quite that desperate yet.

@Tim ?

@Shog9 More evilness to help you kill some time (see comments for details): superuser.com/questions/894716/… (let me know if/when you want me to stop bugging you with these).

spam superuser.com/a/895906/172747

blacklist candidate recoverytoolbox.com

7:05 PM

Does smokey expand goo.gl links?

yeh @nicael

blacklist candidate: goo.gl

this looks OT, but which reason ? android.stackexchange.com/q/104035/39544

user259867

@JanDvorak Too many fps, I'm afraid. stackoverflow.com/search?q=url%3Agoo.gl

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: JQUERY TABELA DINAMICA by Felipe Araujo on pt.stackoverflow.com

7:09 PM

@Tim you have a mod message similar? Or war...

nope no notifcations

so what you mean by chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/3226517#3226517

And now let's make it a hot question... UPVOTE THIS EVERYONE :D — nicael 3 mins ago

PRESS ON GUYS AND GIRLS!!!

ushhh ... I have to resist not to close for simply typo

@bummi I see no reason to resist.

James

7:28 PM

"Make a variable equal itself" - just go make a cup of tea. It'll be done by the time you get back.

the 6 character limit sometimes does not seem to be to useful :/. You can't format a post which is just ugly because of the missing format, anything else is fine and does not need to be touched.

James

stackoverflow.com/questions/29354194/… - OOh I hate that!!