Tavern on the Meta

5:20 PM

Yay I got 30 repz for 5932 characters written

@InfiniteSnowflakes Ah, I assumed that would stay between me and Haney if I didn't tell anyone ;)

What if I write and sell 5932 characters of code? Can I buy reputation from a reputation vendor for profit?

Q: Open Source Advertising - Sidebar - 1H 2015

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It is now January 2015, or pretty much on the boundary of it, and thus a new edition of our Free Vote-Based Advertising for Open Source Projects. We are clearing the leaderboards for the beginning of 2015 Here is your chance to create a Free Vote-Based Advertisement for an Open Source Project. C...

@Behaviour the point being...?

@AstroCB wont load :(

user259867

5:21 PM

un-idiomatic word usage

who cares...

@Unihedro Refresh?

@AstroCB Refreshed three times in a row.

for all matters and purposes venom and poison are exchangeable

@Unihedro It's just a regular MSO link; there's nothing special about it.

5:23 PM

@rene No chance. Everytime I click "leave" the Tavern, it takes me to the list of active rooms and I stumble across crazy stuff in the most active room ;)

lol

user259867

@Braiam A venomous mushroom would be a mushroom that bites you and injects its venom.

user259867

Quite unlike poisonous mushrooms.

@Behaviour I didn't use "venomous" but "venom"

@InfiniteSnowflakes Oh? For me it sends me to the list of favourite rooms when I leave a room.

5:25 PM

@InfiniteSnowflakes I considered if the room should have been private but decided not to ask for that. Was that a good call?

I never favourited a room @uni. I am RO for both rooms, so I join from my profile.

@InfiniteSnowflakes That's actually only necessary if you are in lots of rooms.

:p

Bart

Wait .... who made @InfiniteSnowflakes a room owner? That'll teach me to leave for a while ...

2

@Bart Now you notice? :D

Bart

5:27 PM

@InfiniteSnowflakes I sensed a disturbance

user259867

Dec 24 '14 at 17:08, by Shog9

Just make sure the beer stays cold, the piano stays hot, and the bartenders stay surly

@Bart How? I didn't clear any of your starred messages today ;)

> surly: Threatening, menacing, gloomy

why "gloomy"?

@rene I am not sure why private rooms are used, so I can't advise. But it doesn't have anything worth hiding in that room.

Bart

I guess we have an insight into the preferences of Shog there @Braiam. Not sure I want to ask more questions ...

user259867

5:30 PM

@Braiam This isn't the closest synonym. "bad-tempered and unfriendly" is closer.

user259867

Even closer is brusque, but I'm not sure that's helpful.

I found the room :D

Room for rene and Haney

user259867

@InfiniteSnowflakes Even so, why resurface an old matter?

Yeah. It's a new year, enjoy it. ;)

Yeah. No reason. Just because rene asked, I looked for it. Now I am confused as well.

I will clear some of Bart's stars to clear my confusion.

6

5:35 PM

ahh @rene i see thanks :)

np

NotDoorknob

Bot killed manually

(not sure why he was still alive)

lol

lol

5:37 PM

lol

lol

lol

lol

lol

wat, @NotDoorknob has >100 notifications

(also, c-c-c-combo breaker)

5:41 PM

@Doorknob冰 Last time I checked Pham has >2500.

@Sam It's over 4k now I think.

:O

Yeah, think it was at 3.2k when I logged in as him

When do you start responding?

I wonder if it'll break at 9999.

5:42 PM

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Privacy

Proposed Q&A site for people interested in the regulation and protection of privacy in a world of ever-increasing complexity.

Currently in definition.

only one way to find out...

@Pham @Pham @Pham @Pham @Pham @Pham :P

^^^ kewl

@bjb568 meh.

Eh!

Don't think it'll succeed.

5:43 PM

not kewl at all

user259867

Sounds too much like legal advice.

... ... THIRTY HATS!!!

I think it's interesting at least.

!!/hats?

@InfiniteSnowflakes HATS ARE AWESOME. Winter Bash will end in 3 days, 6 hours, 16 minutes and 29 seconds. :(

5:44 PM

@Unihedro I have all of them except pizza and red baron. >:O

Must... get... HATS

user259867

Hurry!

@Doorknob冰 ... but... but... even eureka?

@Unihedro Yup

electric bolt

I've got a neck warming thing.

5:45 PM

walks away sadly

Behaviour has eureka as well @uni :D

bummi

How to handle a question which can't be opened due to a malware alert by AVG? stackoverflow.com/questions/11806910/…

@bummi don't use AVG?

Don't open the post @bummi, skip it if it's a review

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: HTTP TCP AND WEB SOCKET by Gunjan chhetri on stackoverflow.com

5:47 PM

@bummi Ah, it detects the JavaScript in a code block. It blocks it because it is code for some injection, which is what the question is about.

Pham's pings. ^

:O

:O

Ok thank you, how useful are questions like this?

anorton

@Sam don't check them, and see if something bad happens when it overflows an integer. :P

5:50 PM

Poor @Pham, he is overpinged.

wow that's so unfortunate for @Pham

@Pham really I mean it

I feel so bad for @Pham for all those pings

Me too, @Pham

I think @Pham would agree as well

Right @Pham?

@anorton Yeah, I wont.

Please respond @Pham, we are worried for you.

5:52 PM

yeah @Pham

please @Pham

Ka-boom!

:D

You can do better than that @Pham

PingOverflow

5:54 PM

see how Shog comes around and just reset the counter

5

:O

@bummi use git....

1

The other answers here are fine, but I'm worried there is one important fact that everyone overlooks : an introverted stereotypical nerd I'm myself this kind of person and you can't imagine how hard life is when you're shy and literally afraid of talking to others (this seems to be called s...

wat

How did that get 2 upvotes?

I upvoted because I agree.

user259867

5:59 PM

@bjb568 By a deleted user (throw-away account?). Interesting.

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First off, in terms of helping the child learn: Many/most schools have computer clubs. Encourage the child to inquire from other students, or ask the school professionals yourself. This will place the child with his peers developmentally, which is the biggest encouragement you can give. Talk to...

How does that even get 8 upvotes?

Stupid parents.

:P

^^^

The shy preteen needs real friends (humans), being glued to the internet and programming will only make them an introvert and make their life harder @bjb568

@InfiniteSnowflakes How does introvert -> life harder?

6:01 PM

@InfiniteSnowflakes that theory is full of holes...

For the answer I linked, the points 1, 2, and 3 are all immaterial. Any child with a parent who agrees to these points are going to have a disaster. Point 4 doesn't even convey anything, as the question mentions "He's learned this from the internet on various tutorial sites and Stack Overflow."

Independent problem solving, critical thinking, time management… Introversion isn't that bad.

Minus the Stack Exchange site recommendation, point 5 is immaterial as well.

IMO social skills matter, interacting and understanding people matter. I think none of you agree, but that's my POV.

@InfiniteSnowflakes I for one, am inclined to agree.

6:04 PM

:D

complains to self that Parenting is such an opinionated site where users vote on points they like, not if the content is useful

2

cough Meta Effect™ cough

0

Folks have already added some great suggestions. The only thing I can add would be to find something that he already likes doing, that programming would give him a competitive advantage in. For example, if he likes video games and knowing how to code means he could mod his system or software (...

^ That answer, on the other hand, is A++.

@Unihedro Anything that deals with humans is complicated.

nods in agreement; rolls back chair and goes to code

6:07 PM

starts playing candy crush

Pham

Pfft; humans these days.

2

OMG someone downvoted my answer against the FR

@Unihedro Must be a human!

:(

complains to self about humans betraying humanity and downvoting insightful and totally-should-be-supported answers

A: How can I help my child who is advanced in programming to meet others at the same skill level?

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I do not want to say that you are out-of-luck, but you are pretty much out-of-luck. The issue is that most people around your age do not know those languages. In fact, most people around your age likely do not even know what most of them are. If you asked most 14-year olds what Vim or LaTeX is, m...

> I do not want to say that you are out-of-luck, but you are pretty much out-of-luck.

well thanks...

6:11 PM

What does luck have to do with that? :O

@Doorknob冰 Hey, is asking on Parenting the new hatting trick?!

@Unihedro Oooh, maybe I could go for the pizza hat on that? :D

wait, no, it's already an hour old :P

You should've linked it, then I would had added my perspective and maybe get the hat as well. :P

Go to lifehacks for the pizza hat @Doorknob冰, ask something and you will get answers 1)baking soda 2)vinegar 3)duct tape 4)baby wipes 5)lemon

@Doorknob冰 Ugh, Parenting's tag system is weird. [pre-teen]: someone between 11 and 14. [teen]: someone between 13 and 19. Well...

6:14 PM

lolwat

pre-teen = 12yo and 13yo?

Hi @Jan, it's Jan today :)

Ha!!!

@Jack No, it proves mine - that you should share your own posts by yourselves and only to pick the better ones to share. The MSE Tavern encourages conversations like these, and the outcome reflected that users were interested in the specific post of yours. By the way, it did create a voting ring - after I link this answer of mine in the MSE Tavern and in a few rooms I'm in on chat.SO, it got me a Handegg badge in under 15 minutes. — Unihedro 6 mins ago

^ I find that a weak argument, but I can't think of a way to put it better.

!!/hats?

@Unihedro HATS ARE AWESOME. Winter Bash will end in 3 days, 5 hours, 31 minutes and 16 seconds. :(

> The third place is never meant to be related to the main place, unless you like your boss to discuss your work with you on every lunch session. I doubt it.

^ I think you explained everything with that statement @uni

6:30 PM

:p

LQ? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/246444/…

nuke-plz stackoverflow.com/q/27725091/3622940

^NAA?

:D my wheel of blame thing is being used now

However, I wish it wasn't the one that goes overboard and uses random.org and has a grammar error

@Behaviour selected it ^

6:34 PM

@TheWobbuffet I have looked at later versions, but those return always the same person if you click "Spin Again".

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: HTTP TCP AND WEB SOCKET by Gunjan chhetri on stackoverflow.com

@ProgramFOX Yeah, I'll fix that

ok, thanks!

I'm just really glad that after all this time it's being used :D

and wow, that is my most useful code and probably my first real script o_O

which means... I have a lot of scripty things to change for better practices :P

almost VTC'ed the "MS word question" question

6:36 PM

You can thank Behaviour, the change was recommended by him

Dec 27 '14 at 4:42, by Behaviour

@InfiniteHappiness Yes, we do need the new wheel of blame here; as far as I can see it's safe.

@InfiniteSnowflakes Awesome!

:D

Who is Bob?

yellow

?

6:43 PM

The wheel of blame said it was Bob.

idk who that is

oh

It's rene's fault!

feature-request bug chat sandbox status-completed markdown mobile-web

Bob, Sydney, Australia

656 3 10

It's a fox. Don't blame a fox!

It's Jan's fault!

6:44 PM

It's Bart's fault!

It's... SmokeDetector's fault?

lol

lol

And now it's Pham's fault!

lol

6:45 PM

lol

It's my fault! :(

The wheel blamed me when I tested it :(

Kick all the bots!

It's my fault again! :(

jsfiddle.net/AYPpF/134

^ Less-annoying wheel of blame that relaxes and uses Math.random() instead of complicated random.org stuff!

6:46 PM

It's Inf's fault :D

2

HA! It hasn't been my fault!

@TheWobbuffet Yay! :D

Me neither!

Zephyrs fault

@ProgramFOX Uhh yeah, I'm just going to try to fix this one thing where avatar images don't show up

6:47 PM

@TheWobbuffet first time, got it's Shogging through the snow ♦ fault :P

@TheWobbuffet They do for me.

But anyway, update request removed :)

okay

@ProgramFOX I will follow the example of the other RO's and not change the link every week. Let's wait to till the room reaches a consensus.

yeah, the faded people's images don't show

am glad that it's not my fault

6:50 PM

@InfiniteSnowflakes The link has been the same for the past year I'm sure?

like, 84 or something

good idea, though, we should wait for the room to reach a consensus

@TheWobbuffet IDK

in Java on Stack Overflow Chat, 53 secs ago, by OakBot

@Michael HTTP 418 (I'm a teapot): Any attempt to brew coffee with a teapot should result in the error code "418 I'm a teapot". The resulting entity body MAY be short and stout.

I can speak for my own actions, and I am reluctant to change it frequently.

Well, Doorknob's name shows up weirdly on the wheel:

> Doorknob å†°

ugh, encoding

hmm

6:53 PM

ugh

the main thing I'm fixing right now is images not showing up

and i'm replacing for looping with mapping

ahh, i have jquery included but I'm not using its dom manipulation o_O

@Unihedro It is your fault.

since everyone is Shog sock, obviously is Shog fault

3

Shog wouldn't want a tree dp

Hi @Andy, it's your fault.

Andy

@Frank I see your blame, and deflect it to @Braiam

7:02 PM

@Andy which is the same to blaming Shog

> Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27733735/…

ahh

someone answered

pls downvote

the username sucks, too

hmm i flagged

and gone

> deleted by bummi, Juhana, Benjamin Gruenbaum 15 secs ago

\o/

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27733793/…

meh, it's so hard to make code good once you've got it working and the code is bad

7:14 PM

@TheWobbuffet Try harder.

Yeah, mostly it's the mixing jquery with plain javascript

Get rid of the jQuery.

ahh, no why

jsfiddle.net/AYPpF/134/#&togetherjs=xTq42j6CGQ

^ Here, if you want to help out

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27733770/…

7:25 PM

room topic changed to Tavern on the Meta: MY GOD, IT'S FULL OF STARS AND BOTS! Wheel of blame link bolted on for your ease of use: jsfiddle.net/Ldvwp8uv/1/embedded/result [bug] [crickets] [discussion] [excuses] [support] [waffles]

^ I reverted, learnt my lesson and now I know why no one changed it before me

7:39 PM

@Frank ='(

It's @TGM 's fault

I'm the highest voter this year! stackoverflow.com/users?tab=Voters&filter=year anyway to check last year cached page?

@Sompuperoo I am surprised to see myself there. Also surprised to see gnat has cast so many upvotes on SO.

7:58 PM

is /triage cached?

> Come back in 7 hours to continue reviewing.

couldn't tell you :(

do you mean the number? yea, it's cached a lil

no, the queue itself...

@Unihedro hmm err. it's @inf fault

it showed me that there are no items in the queue, but when I go to rene's activity page and click a triage review I can review it

Maybe it's like suggested edit reviews, where a review is "checked out" to a person?

8:02 PM

resist the urge of blaming @Shog

@hichris123 probably this

@hichris123 that is how it works @Braiam

and why is everybody checking what I'm doing?

How many times will @Braiam blame Shog today? Please save some of the blame for the rest of 2015 ;)

image not found

8:09 PM

First MSO rant of 2015: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/281555/2982225

Q: Allow embedding of gifly/gfycat

3

The only option to embed this kind of media is to link to the bandwidth-hogging 256-color low-framerate gif version, which is a waste when video tags are now things that have been existing for a while. Please bring audioless video playback to chat. Pretty please?

feature-request chat

user wearing 3 hats meta.stackexchange.com/users/263179/tox123?tab=allactivity

^ that's how Jan will look someday (a pile of hats)

I searched for this but didn't see it. I apologize for that. It's not worth my time to argue the foolishness of your position. — Ed Morrison 5 hours ago

@EdMorrison: you have been a member here all of 7 days and you already know everything. Wow, can I get some of that? — Martijn Pieters 5 hours ago

8:29 PM

jsfiddle.net/AYPpF/138/embedded/result

^ That's the final wheel of blame thing. Stable and stuff... some people's images are smart and don't let me get the src :/ Anyway, nothing changed except it looks nicer and the code is cleaner.

!!/hats?

@Unihedro HATS ARE AWESOME. Winter Bash will end in 3 days, 3 hours, 30 minutes and 14 seconds. :(

:(

:(

uhh i'll make sure programfox sees the url

meh maybe not

let's just reach a consensus...

@ProgramFOX

there i did it :P

8:33 PM

0

I would like to add one point to the answers given here. If you can do so while still maintaining their interest, try to encourage studying of how the languages work (theory of computing, language paradigms, etc), maybe from reading textbooks and not just language syntax and documentation. Tria...

meh

hmm, night, it's 2:03 am here.

@πάνταῥεῖ No, no. You wanna grip I am bad. I wanna grip the closing / deletion privileges are often misused, and gave usable advices to somebody, how can he avoid this problem. — Peter Horvath 38 secs ago

and uni still here ...., there it should be around 4 am

@Inf It's blowing up.

@TGM but it's new year!

8:38 PM

@Unihedro … so?

@bjb568 you must do a marathon from the 31 to 3rd

no

user259867

@bjb568 Good suggestions. Don't limit the hypothetical introverted nerd to imperative "practical" languages. I'm surprised nobody mentioned Haskell yet.

meh

8:55 PM

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Q: How to kill cat?

Many times I accidental run cat command on files have contents upto few thousand line. I try to kill the cat command by Ctrl+ C or Ctrl+Z but both only take effect after the total output of cat is displayed in the terminal, all I have to do is wait till cat gets completely execute. Is there bet...

shell terminal cat tcsh

:O

cat is the worst command ever.

@Unihedro you mean binary

or program

9:09 PM

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/27734697/…

Joining the party late - So what did lpapp actually do this time?

Set Sail Media, Oklahoma City, OK

7.2k 1 12 39

php jquery html css javascript mysql wordpress

^ Isn't there some policy about disclosure on the profile page if your account represents a company or service?

@BenjaminGruenbaum Why do you ask the Tavern? :P (besides, he's been ah... out of the room for 100+ days now)

@AstroCB Only if you're promoting your own products.

Oh really?

> More info about me & my business please visit www.setsailmedia.com

9:20 PM

> chat.meta.stackexchange.com/users/232889/lpapp

@AstroCB In answers, I meant. Really, you can promote anything in your about me as long as it isn't extremely offensive.

ok

@AstroCB Yes?

@hichris123 That makes sense; I don't know why you'd make your account name the name of your business, though.

thanks

@bjb568 The irony.

9:22 PM

Yes.

user259867

20 hours ago, by bjb568

@Behaviour It's in 3rd person of a year ago myself. Written by an imaginary parent.

@AstroCB shrugs People do.

@Behaviour Ah.

9:34 PM

O_O This thread is so meta. — bjb568 7 secs ago

Even though programming is fun, keyboards and desks take a rough toll on the body. The young padawan has started at a very early age, he needs to consider some physical activities to make sure hes not getting carpel tunnel at 16.

I STRONGLY suggest yoga, and in its simplest form just do a YouTube search and do 15 min of stretches every day that hes not at school or some other activity.

He may think I'm joking (especially as a 14 year old) but the industry is very.... heavy... mainly because a programmer sits in one position and types. Build good habits now.

People suggest the weirdest things.

@bjb568 they are parents...

s/people/parents

user259867

10:01 PM

> Polynomial Math is a subset of mathematics dealing with mathematical expressions constructed from variables and constants using only the operations of addition, subtraction, multiplication, and non-negative integer exponents.

user259867

Never heard of "polynomial math" until reading the wiki

Shokhet

-choose @Doorknob @notDoorknob @Doorhandle

^^^ does that still work?

......guess not. Oh well.

anorton

@Shokhet NotDoorknob has to be in the room and turned on.

Shokhet

@anorton Ah. I see.

Just turn the DoorKnob

Shokhet

10:06 PM

....NotDoorknob is pingable, but not in the room

@rene eyeroll

pss @bjb

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Q: How to kill a runaway cat?

Many times I accidentally run the cat command on files have contents up to few thousand lines. I try to kill the cat command with Ctrl+ C or Ctrl+Z, but both only take effect after the total output of cat is displayed in the terminal, so I have to wait till cat gets completely executed. Is ther...

shell command-line terminal kill cat

delv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/1577325/…

1 hour ago, by bjb568

:O

:O

@hichris123 new title

anorton

Users around the network are taking cues from the question titles on Gaming.SE.