Tavern on the Meta

Ok, newbie question here: I just noticed @Pham seems to autodetect spam. I've also noticed Smoke Detector, and a couple other bots. How many bot frequent this room?

Doorknob 冰

@anorton I think Pham and SD are the only spam bots. Some other people like to test their... uhhh, less productive bots here (cough @bjb568 cough). :P

anorton

Ok, thanks. :)

user259867

3:20 AM

@anorton There are two instances of Smoke Detector, with different algorithms: one posting as fully robotic Smoke Detector, another posting as hichris123 (who is yet to be confirmed as a robot). They, and Pham, are the only regular bots here. We used to have Gham, but it's been AWOL for a long time.

user259867

...and the less is said about the bjb botlings, the better. :)

Andrew T.

^ like that

anorton

Speak of the devil! :)

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp

Andrew T.

support number? :/

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

3:22 AM

@AndrewT. Registered as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

anorton

:-O

That's a cool bot.

Doorknob 冰

@anorton Pham is even cooler!

anorton

Are they open source?

(Or, at least, is there a basic description of how they determine if a post is spam?)

Doorknob 冰

Yep, they're both open source.

Somewhere on Github.

anorton

Ok.

user259867

3:25 AM

Pham: github.com/ArcticEcho/Phamhilator

Andrew T.

Smokey: github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector

anorton

Thanks.

hichris123

@Doorknob冰 Hey!

Doorknob 冰

hides

user259867

@anorton Ah, I forgot to mention @Zephyr ... it's always here, but it never posts. It only listens.... and posts elsewhere.

Doorknob 冰

3:27 AM

But look, he does stuff like this: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/2836761#2836761

And a bunch more

anorton

Do these bots watch over all of SE, or only certain sites?

Doorknob 冰

All of SE.

anorton

Cool.

Unihedro

Good night!

Oh, it's midday? crazy

bjb568

@Doorknob冰 What? I was summoned?

Infinite Happiness

3:32 AM

...and spam canary reports spam to Jan Dvorak, who checks and posts the true spam reports in here. You will see him posts a lot of spam reports.

Doorknob 冰

@bjb568 uhhhh nothing

bjb568

:P

Unihedro

While Sam is sleeping, I'm going to run an older version of Pham - this means the newer fixes aren't deployed but you can keep the network in shape in the meantime

bjb568

why not newer?

Infinite Happiness

reasons...

Unihedro

3:34 AM

@bjb568 I... uh... kind of borked the newer version. Thankfully, I had a backup!

bjb568

…

Unihedro

So there you have that.

Doorknob 冰

@Unihedro ... isn't it on a git repo?

Why not just use that?

Infinite Happiness

Patrick Hofman runs an instance of Pham as well (sometimes)

Unihedro

:O

Eh... Good idea, but I gotta head out. I'll do that when I'm back.

Arghhh... still no sleep :/

Infinite Happiness

3:36 AM

...and there is Fox 9000 who visits in case we need translation help or if there are too many star trolls

bjb568

@Unihedro People don't sleep these days.

Infinite Happiness

What does @NotDoorknob do?? :D

bjb568

AND I BLAME MY CRAPPY SEMESTER GRADES ON IT!

I mean… 2 percentage points less in Bio?!

Doorknob 冰

@InfiniteHappiness Not be me, obviously.

Infinite Happiness

@bjb568 IT'S YOUR BOTLING'S FAULT!!

bjb568

3:38 AM

:O

user259867

@bjb568 less than what?

bjb568

@Behaviour First quarter when my sleeping from summer carried over.

Oh, I mean quarter.

Second quarter vs first quarter.

That.

Does this count as pink?

I don't want it to be pink.

Andrew T.

pink, no, brown.

Unihedro

It's too bright. Try a bit darker, it will be magenta then.

Infinite Happiness

Hiya @Nordehinu (@Unihedro's bot) :D

user259867

3:41 AM

Let's not call it pink, then. Call it "saturation-challenged red".

5

Nordehinu

Hiya @Inf :D

Doorknob 冰

@Behaviour You wouldn't discriminate against a saturation-challenged color, would you? :D

anorton

@bjb568 On my monitor, it shows up as pink. (Or, if we want, saturation-challenged red.)

bjb568

Infinite Happiness

So, it's just these 10 bots in here AFAIK

bjb568

3:44 AM

^^ How's this?

Infinite Happiness

ugly

bjb568

Lighter?

Redder?

anorton

@bjb568 It's more like orange now, but it's a brownish orange.

bjb568

anorton

I think it's an ok color, but it depends on the overal scheme of the site/picture.

Ok, that's more tan.

Infinite Happiness

3:45 AM

This is good. It gets my vote.

Andrew T.

@bjb568 wait, what is the purpose? is it for emphasis?

anorton

@bjb568 I don't think it's better, because it can be a little difficult to discern the difference between the white text and the tan text at a glance.

bjb568

wat

anorton

I like this one best.

bjb568

@AndrewT. Yes

Doorknob 冰

3:47 AM

We are professional color connoisseurs

bjb568

Then again, I should probably make all the emphasized items links… To respective articles in a help center.

Andrew T.

~~color.se~~

bjb568

I'm making the about page for DevDoodle, BTW.

user259867

Just don't make the background pitch-black in the first place. Then the colors will not hurt the eye as much.

user259867

On Scifi-meta a similar color works fine.

Infinite Happiness

3:48 AM

No, it's to sternly inform users "We want to be helpful to as many users as possible" @AndrewT.

bjb568

@Behaviour OH GOD THAT'S AWFUL

> To facilitate our goal of creating content that is useful to the greater community, we have very strict quality standards. This is not a discussion forum: All posts should be on-topic and helpful to as many people as possible.

Doorknob 冰

Scifi meta has always hurt my eyes

bjb568

user259867

@Doorknob冰 Now imagine it pitch-black (or just hover over a comment). Worse still.

bjb568

^^ WTH?

Infinite Happiness

3:50 AM

Go blood red like MSO

bjb568

@Behaviour No it isn't…

:33k:

Will it kill me?

user259867

Someone will, if you publish the site like this.

Doorknob 冰

@bjb568 ow

bjb568

I'm thinking light orange (#F96) is best.

user259867

5

Q: Colors to use with black background?

Is using yellow text on a black bg bad as Mike pointed out here? If yes what colors should I use (RGB or hex values)?

bjb568

3:54 AM

This is the coda theme I'm using.

Doorknob 冰

That's actually quite pleasant.

Infinite Happiness

It's so much fun to read a conversation between Behaviour and bjb568. One is so sane, and the other one is bjb :P

bjb568

This is a website that I like the design of.

anorton

Ok, crazy idea here: what if you used the green as the highlight?

(Unless you're using green elsewhere)

Looking at the code snippet, the green and blue are the colors that jump out most to me.

bjb568

Meh.

I'll try.

user259867

3:58 AM

@bjb568 Stop it with these chemical colors...

bjb568

:P

anorton

Ok, I guess my green suggestion isn't too great. :P

bjb568

Everything is a chemical!

Infinite Happiness

in The Junk Drawer on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Dec 23 at 0:38, by Zach Saucier

what's your impression of bjb?

Catz is famous!!

bjb568

:D

What, grow up?

Naw.

If that's referring to my immature comments, somebody needs to grow down.

… or something.

Jan Dvorak

4:05 AM

... shrink down?

Infinite Happiness

The catz nemesis is also famous

in The Junk Drawer on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Dec 26 at 1:40, by J. Musser

For instance, look at the voting habits of this user. 8 up, 12,963 down. His choice.

bjb568

in The Junk Drawer on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Dec 26 at 1:50, by J. Musser

:O

anorton

@InfiniteHappiness He used to have 0 upvotes a couple of months ago...

Sompuperoo

@anorton the hats must have changed his behaviour

bjb568

:P

Infinite Happiness

4:10 AM

I know @anorton. When I joined this room a few months ago, he was Care Bear, and I saw his profile after reading so much about his famous downvotes

bjb568

He was care bear?

STOP CHANGING YOUR NAMES PEOPLE SOOO CONFUSING!

Infinite Happiness

NO, CHANGING NAMES IS FUN!!

bjb568

D:

user259867

I still don't have as many DVs as @Sompuperoo

user259867

And no prayer of catching up with gnat

anorton

4:14 AM

@bjb568 He's had so many names that I've lost track. However, I think I did actually track down his real-world identity (but I obviously won't say what it is). :-)

Infinite Happiness

He was weapon of choice, a brick in the wall, raff, warm fuzzies, and now Behaviour. Not sure if I have missed any name

anorton

@InfiniteHappiness raffeliasia (or something like that...)

bjb568

@InfiniteHappiness I associated all those names with respectability and kindness O_O… they were all one person.

anorton

:D

user259867

@bjb568 Did you expect there to be more than one respectable and kind person in the world?

bjb568

4:16 AM

I didn't know.

But now I do.

Infinite Happiness

Didn't you notice those kind people doing your Math homework @bjb568?

bjb568

Welcome, dear Flying Spaghetti Monster! The true God of the everything or something!

@InfiniteHappiness It wasn't homework. I'm not even in the BC class.

Infinite Happiness

Ha

user259867

@bjb568 has 125 rep on Math but only two downvotes so far.

user259867

Let's make it... 20000 or something.

Infinite Happiness

4:21 AM

Everybody will think he is your sock :P

anorton

Ok, I'm signing off for the night. Bye, all!

Infinite Happiness

Bye

Sompuperoo

bYe

bjb568

byE

@Behaviour Well, I squared it today.

Infinite Happiness

Wow! That's progress :D

bjb568

4:24 AM

:D

user259867

2, 4, 16, 256, 65536: become SE leader in downvotes in five days of squaring.

bjb568

whispers something something rate limit

Doorknob 冰

magic

So mesmerizing... can't look away...

Infinite Happiness

I dare you to star it @Doorknob冰 ;)

lol

Doorknob 冰

... that wasn't me. :P

Infinite Happiness

4:34 AM

bjb is the ideal replacement for Bart, he stays on the star wall

Sompuperoo

!comp find bart

bjb568

number | < 5 people
(US data based on 2013 births and other SSA registrations in the US)

Doorknob 冰

What? That can't be right.

Infinite Happiness

^^^^

Sompuperoo

!comp find Bartholomew

bjb568

4:35 AM

rank | 6551st
fraction | 1 in 155956 people (6.4×10^-4%)
number | 12 people per year
(US data based on 2013 births and other SSA registrations in the US)

Doorknob 冰

There's even a Bart in my Boy Scout troop

!comp doorknob image

No image support? :(

No

!comp :(

!comp doorknob joke

simple frowning smiley without nose

Sompuperoo

4:38 AM

how to get it to tell us a joke

Doorknob 冰

!comp :'(

???

Apparently WolframAlpha doesn't understand that

Sompuperoo

!comp random joke

Doorknob 冰

!comp tell me a programming joke

Sompuperoo

!comp tell me a joke

bjb568

Q: What's an Abelian group under addition, closed, associative, distributive, and bears a curse? A: The Ring of the Nibelung.
(according to what passes for mathematical humor (my favorite sub-genre), drawn from several sources but primarily from P. Renteln and A. Dundes in their paper "Sampling of Mathematical Folk Humor" in Notices of the American Mathematical Society, vol. 52, pp. 24-34, 2005)

Doorknob 冰

4:39 AM

@Sompuperoo I beat you :P

Sompuperoo

!comp tell me a cat joke

Doorknob 冰

!comp How many astronomers does it take to change a lightbulb?

bjb568

None; astronomers prefer the dark.

Unihedro

None; it's a hardware problem

Sompuperoo

!comp tell me a duck joke

Doorknob 冰

4:40 AM

!comp Why?

bjb568

Because.

Unihedro

insert duck joke here

Sompuperoo

!comp tell me a science joke

Doorknob 冰

!comp Why not?

bjb568

Indeed.

Sompuperoo

4:41 AM

am I blocked? @bjb568? :(

Unihedro

This is no science joke

bjb568

@Sompuperoo no

Doorknob 冰

What is that supposed to be?

bjb568

IDK

Sompuperoo

@Doorknob冰 obviously a chat crop circle

bjb568

4:43 AM

Slowly drawing a parametric thing?

Doorknob 冰

oooookay

The final result looks like a logo for something. Can't remember what.

bjb568

Jan Dvorak

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27683545/…

Sompuperoo

bart sighting meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/281288/…

this sucks, I can't see the first few characters of what I type b.c of my hat

Jan Dvorak

WTF isthat thing?

one more vote needed

Sompuperoo

4:59 AM

idk aztec hat, maybe a mask, but looks like it could go nicely on a totem pole

bjb568

I thot I'd have it. But 20 on one site! Impossible!

Jan Dvorak

That question that needs cclosing desperately? Answered. Twice.

bjb568

That's why VLQ and prompt closing is important.

See, @hichris

Jan Dvorak

still egligible for roomba, though

or is it?

Sompuperoo

@bjb568 but if the questions don't get approved to be shown on the site, when triage is fully implemented, there is no need for VLQ

bjb568

5:05 AM

@JanDvorak no

Anything with multiple answers doesn't get rOOMBA'd.

Jan Dvorak

FR pls

bjb568

Probably dup

Sompuperoo

@bjb568 if the question is closed, (not as dup) and question and all answers are 0 or below it does get roombood

bjb568

@Sompuperoo Source?

Sompuperoo

@bjb568 hrm meta.stackexchange.com/a/92006/244519

Jan Dvorak

5:07 AM

lovely. That link-only answer at -4 just got accepted

bjb568

Great

Sompuperoo

oh yea, it can't have accepted answer... so that will need to be delete voted or mod deleted

user259867

> dispense with the logic that preserves answers with 1 vote or an accept mark that will stay deletion at 9 days.

bjb568

0

A: Bluetooth communication in .net c#

I got some links for u I hope that can help u https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn05CU3mxzo http://www.codeproject.com/Questions/498557/C-plusBluetoothpluscommunication

-1

A: Getting "error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol ... "

@Jonatan check this link, may be it can help out http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/799kze2z.aspx

user259867

^ .... whenever that happens

Sompuperoo

5:09 AM

:)

Jan Dvorak

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27683610/…

bjb568

Answer deleted!

ot stackoverflow.com/q/27683672/2371861

13 stackoverflow.com/q/27683469/2371861

Sompuperoo

Closevotes

Post questions you want closed here with the same syntax as ex...

bjb568

I posted 2.

Sompuperoo

in Closevotes, Dec 22 at 18:32, by Feeds

Anna Lear has unfrozen this room.

I just don't have anymore close votes, so I don't like being helpless

Jan Dvorak

5:16 AM

does the rec-tool posted by BJB smell like spam to you as well?

bjb568

Nah, too much rep

Sompuperoo

@JanDvorak no

Jan Dvorak

Sure, rep, but the link placement is ... weird

bjb568

in The SO Tavern (Free Snacks) on Stack Overflow Chat, 15 mins ago, by Feeds

'Where were you when you learned you'd won?' 'I was actually asleep; I woke up when I refreshed the webite and saw the news.'

stackoverflow.com/…

Jan Dvorak

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/141818/…

There. It's officially morning now.

Morning!

Sompuperoo

5:23 AM

MORNING!

bjb568

MEW

Closevotes

Post questions you want closed here with the same syntax as ex...

CVs, if you feel like it.

They all need 4 more votes.

And are very obvious, so you can robo it.

hichris123

5:41 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Score of 86.2026: Who is this third character and what is her connection? on anime.stackexchange.com

bjb568

!comp prime factors of 86

2×43 (2 distinct prime factors)

Oh, 43 is prime.

Jan Dvorak

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/141820/…

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: How to improver formula Neuroflexyn? by rinuroyed on drupal.stackexchange.com

bjb568

Where do those usernames come from?

Infinite Happiness

triage-review-ban-plz stackoverflow.com/review/triage/6598436

Andrew T.

5:58 AM

!comp who is the first president of USA

George Washington

:O

!comp who are you

My name is Wolfram|Alpha.

:P

DroidDev

!comp where is nova corp

bjb568

6:05 AM

(data not available)

Ooh

DroidDev

!comp how to handle infinity stone

Infinite Happiness

triage-another-review-ban-plz stackoverflow.com/review/triage/6598344

bjb568

4 CVs plus bounty )_) stackoverflow.com/q/27576979/2371861

).)

:P

Andrew T.

!comp this sentence is false

user259867

@InfiniteHappiness Same user. Their motto is Everything is OK

bjb568

6:10 AM

everything is awesome

Andrew T.

is there audit on triage?

(recalling my nightmare that I failed the first and only review on triage)

bjb568

I don't think audits are implemented yet.

Andrew T.

so.......... triage is a safe place for robot reviewer to get gold badge? :/

bjb568

Yup.

But shog is watching.

user259867

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/141826/…

Jan Dvorak

6:18 AM

wow meta.stackexchange.com/questions/246268/java-programming

bjb568

cv stackoverflow.com/q/27684203/2371861

user259867

@JanDvorak ARGH I'm at 2998 rep because of another bounty.

Andrew T.

suggest an e... oops

bjb568

gives rep

So far in the community bit of the about page for DD…

> Almost everything that is done on DevDoodle is a community process. The community casts votes on site policies and moderation of posts, community members help each other out by solving their problems and collaborating on projects, and users can posts feature requests on meta to add site functionality for the betterment of the community.

What else should I add? sry i suxz at ritinz

Ooh, a we're not Facebook sentence.

Jan Dvorak

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/246270/…

bjb568

6:29 AM

> Friend groups (besides those on chat) are discouraged – the emphasis is on collective intelligence of a community, not finding friends to ask for specific requests.

How's that?

Jan Dvorak

unclear stackoverflow.com/questions/27684395/…

bjb568

feels ignored

and also tired

@AnnaLear From account merge: stackoverflow.com/a/25110511/2371861 still has a link to a 404 account ( stackoverflow.com/users/3890059 )

Andrew T.

so it's possible to have "friend groups" on chat?

bjb568

Yes

Chat regulars.

user259867

@bjb568 Not just rep -- also Good Question badge and Werewolf Hunter hat!

bjb568

6:38 AM

:D

Andrew T.

what to do with code-block-only answer which are copy-pasted from a site, and modified without attribution? stackoverflow.com/questions/5601654/…

user259867

@bjb568 "betterment" is not as official-sounding as "for the benefit of the community", imo

user259867

Also, in "help each other out"... drop "out", it's too informal.

user259867

And I don't know what you mean by discouraging friends groups. If people collaborate on projects, they will naturally form groups around that. Whatever you call those groups.

user259867

Maybe drop that sentence, it's too much in the style of "what DD is not" -- not a way to introduce the site to someone.

user259867

6:41 AM

I'd rather know what it is.

bjb568

Thanks! Night!

Infinite Happiness

Night!

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Anti Aging Products - Ways To Not Stay Old And Healthy by scarolbryian on drupal.stackexchange.com

Infinite Happiness