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rchern

1:18 AM

stackoverflow.com/questions/4140390/weddings-important-to-wemen

damn, deleted hehe

rchern

1:43 AM

?tab=active

Tim Stone

1:54 AM

Tim Stone

136 1 2

Enthusiast eh? Hm. :P

In my defense, I have wanted to contribute more.

The Unhandled Exception

3:40 AM

@TimStone Me too, but I am always so far behind the latest and greatest games, I have trouble

Tim Stone

@TheUnhandledException Yeah, I have a ton of stuff on my to-play list, heheh. I think that Minecraft is next, since I can get my hands on that right now.

The Unhandled Exception

Minecraft, that's all I hear about, LOL

I need to check that out

I'm playing through Metroid Prime 3 (in case you couldn't tell, LOL)

and yes I know that game's like 3 years old, lol

Tim Stone

Yeah, I decided to cave, hahah.

Ah, nice. I actually haven't played it...not really sure why.

I actually have played very few of the Metroid games. I think they just typically end up coming out at times when I'm either playing something else, or am busy, and then I forget, heh.

The Unhandled Exception

I <3 Metroid although I only played Metroid 1 and Super Metroid before Prime 3

Super Metroid was a truly awesome game

Tim Stone

My favourite series at the moment is Mass Effect, heh.

The Unhandled Exception

3:56 AM

I'll have to check that out :-)

LOL, I love it when the answer to your question "How do I do x ?" is "You can't"</sarcasm>

0

Q: How do you steer the screw attack in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption?

When I received the screw attack in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, I was told that I could steer while using it by using <icon>, where the icon appeared to be the analog stick on the nunchuck. But try as I might, no matter what direction on the nunchuck's analog stick I press, I always go str...

wii controls metroid-prime-trilogy metroid-prime-corruption

From a 10+K user too, LOL

Tim Stone

Heh :P

rchern

money.cnn.com/2010/11/09/technology/ask_search/index.htm

Tim Stone

@rchern sheds a tear It was so unexpected!

rchern

don't just read the headline (;

Tim Stone

@rchern Ah, the bit about the Q&A? :P

rchern

4:08 AM

(;

The Unhandled Exception

lol

Tim Stone

@rchern I think they like to fail. ;)

The Unhandled Exception

Maybe StackExchange can buy out ask.com?

How's "webapplications.ask.com" as a domain name @rchern??

XD

rchern

haha there ya go

Tim Stone

Webmasters should be wheresmytraffic.ask.com

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The Unhandled Exception

4:14 AM

haha

and of course cooking: nomnomnom.ask.com

Tim Stone

Heheh

The Unhandled Exception

OK. Time for a little TV and then bed for me. Good night Tim and rchern!

Tim Stone

G'night! Enjoy

Tim Stone

5:48 AM

@rchern I spent the last 20 some minutes playing with that jsfiddle, argh. :P

rchern

6:08 AM

Addicting, I know. |:

ahsteele

6:33 AM

sigh, this guy is trolling / spamming: stackoverflow.com/users/502825/user502825

Benjol

@ahsteele, flag as spam

ahsteele

@Benjol I did

@Benjol just annoying

Benjol

me too :)

he will be nuked shortly :)

ahsteele

@Benjol sometimes I wish you could just flag the account ;)

Benjol

well, flagging all of his posts is a good start

Benjol

6:46 AM

Was this custom-made for SO?

Lance Roberts

@Benjol I just flagged the first five answers, then ran out of spam votes.

Benjol

@LanceRoberts, woops

maybe we need to slow down and share them out :)

all the mods are sleeping? :)

ahsteele

@Benjol yeah I am out as well

Lance Roberts

Well, the first answer just disappeared.

Benjol

I've got one left, which ones haven't you flagged?

ahsteele

6:52 AM

@Benjol this one: stackoverflow.com/questions/2195550/…

Benjol

ok, flagged, I guess I'm all out too (it's 5?)

ahsteele

@Benjol which seems kind of low

Benjol

@ahsteele, do you get them back when they nuke the post?

ahsteele

@Benjol I'd guess mods would have more but you'd think the number would go up the more rep you have

@Benjol no idea

I feel a meta question coming on

Benjol

@ahsteele, knowing meta, the question and answer are already there... somewhere :)

ahsteele

6:56 AM

@Benjol lol so true if I ask it'll get closed as exact dupe, no repro, or bydesign :P

@Benjol and here it is: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/8935/61654

Benjol

@ahsteele, ok voted up the question.+ comment

ahsteele

@Benjol cool, well I am exhausted ... time for sleep

Benjol

night ;)

ahsteele

@Benjol night

Yi Jiang

7:34 AM

@rchern Your minions need you!

0

Q: Seeing more than 15 posts on Get Satsifaction

On the Get Satisfaction website, how do I see more than the last 15 replies Four example on this topic, we see this message: Due to volume, only the 15 most recent replies are being displayed There doesn't appear to be any official way to show more? is there a back door way?

limit

Create the [get-satisfaction] tag for this question

Benjol

8:06 AM

@YiJiang, morning

Yi Jiang

8:25 AM

@Benjol Afternoon

Benjol

Already? ok

looks at map, blushes at geographical ignorance...

Yi Jiang

10:10 AM

Okay, this is hilarious

0

Q: Seeing more than 15 posts on Get Satsifaction

On the Get Satisfaction website, how do I see more than the last 15 replies Four example on this topic, we see this message: Due to volume, only the 15 most recent replies are being displayed There doesn't appear to be any official way to show more? is there a back door way?

limit get-satsifaction

A 1.2k'er just added the [get-satsifaction] tag. I don't know if he's been deliberately obtuse but...

@rchern Once again, where are you when WA needs you?

Benjol

Nice :) that's one way to get taxonomist, I guess

Yi Jiang

Okay, wait, what is the rep limit for creating new tags?

Because I just went in and fixed the typo... even though I thought I can't

Well, whatever, just congratulate me for been the creator of the [get-satisfaction] tag

Benjol

10:25 AM

Couldn't find any with unicorns, sorry :)

erm, do you mind if I remove that now? It's hurting my eyes!

rchern

1:26 PM

oh, heh.

Fosco

rchern

> Wildcards are not supported YET but should be within the next 24 hours.

That would be why I was having so many problems with the new homepage sorting.

Fosco

@Benjol You didn't try really hard :) first image for "congrats unicorn"

@rchern new sorting?.. the only view i use is questions/new.

rchern

Stack Overflow Blog: Stack Overflow Homepage Changes

Posted by Jeff Atwood on November 9th, 2010

As I mentioned in The Horror of No Answer: Revival and Necromancer:

It’s fine — expected, even — for there to be a “long tail” of questions that are too obscure, too narrow, or just plain unanswerable for whatever reason. Sometimes you have to be patient; it takes the time it takes. But seeing the number of zero-answer questions grow by 50% over a 3 month period is definitely concerning.

Part of this is our fault for not adapting the homepage to the massive amount of question activity that Stack Overflow now enjoys. We’re working on it, but it will take some time to figure out the right approach. …

Fosco

@rchern ty

Marc Gravell

1:30 PM

at risk of opening myself up to abuse, do you think someone could flag this. I don't need all of you to flag it - but any 10k-ers may wish to reload the page and provide flamage-abuse [er, constructive feedback, I mean] to the tweaks...

(in particular, the flags disk on your avatar should now behave differently)

Fosco

Flag what?

Marc Gravell

huh? Sorry - I meant add a spam/offensive flag on the "at risk of..."

Fosco

flagged.

balpha

maybe you should have metioned they need to reload the page first...

Marc Gravell

Thanks @Fosco. Unfortunately you don't have the 10k needed to see the change that makes, but it is there for discovery now. Cheers.

Benjol

1:39 PM

@Fosco yours isn't animated :)

Fosco

@Benjol depends what you're on when looking at it :)

Benjol

@Fosco, a pogo stick? :)

Tim Stone

2:51 PM

yawns

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Hey, +1000 for Rangy.

balpha

Everyone, there's now a GlobalAuth test & help page on chat.stackexchange that tests some common issues. If you're having trouble logging in to chat.se, please check out that page (it's linked from the login page, too).

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Tim Stone

@YiJiang Hooray! I'm confused, but I'll go with it.

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Oh, so it was another Tim Stone?

Tim Stone

...I don't know? :P

What are we talking about?

Yi Jiang

2:55 PM

@TimStone code.google.com/p/rangy

With exception to the fact that it's pretty heavy, it means that I won't have to touch the Range and Selection API Ever Again!!!!

throws arms into the air and cheers loudly

Tim Stone

Ah ha

While range and selection pisses me off to the extent where I might be compelled to write something like that, I can't take credit this time. ;)

Fosco

haha i just got freaking buried on a SQL question.. and I still think I'm right and the OP is an idiot.

Tim Stone

@balpha I'll personally just continue not ever having problems with chat.SE I think, but that's a nifty page for people with those issues, good stuff. :)

@Fosco What's the question?

Fosco

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Q: Why SQL can't infer tables dependencies when dropping multiple tables with constraints ?

Greetings, It's a general SQL question not tied to any specific implementation but more on global concepts. Let's take a simple example, I have 2 tables: User (with FK on Group) Group Why when doing DROP TABLE group, user; the server can't infer tables dependency and reorder table names int...

sql rdbms

I deleted my answer.

Tim Stone

Yeaaaaaah....The hell?

Fosco

3:00 PM

To me it's f*n obvious... DROP groups, users; it tries to validate 'DROP groups' and there's a constraint with users, so you can't drop it and it fails.

why should SQL infer that since the next table you're dropping is users, that its OK to drop groups.

Tim Stone

As the other answer points out, PostgreSQL actually allows for this using CASCADE, and then the OP whines that its an implementation "hack"

Fosco

yeah..

i really got buried because i questioned how often he is dropping those tables and whether or not constraints are necessary in his scenario

and i analogized constraints to training wheels

balpha

SQL should just support SELECT * FROM EVERYWHERE WHERE IWANTTHIS=TRUE

problem solved

Fosco

exactly.

Tim Stone

Well, it's true that you shouldn't try to jam bad data into the database, but the relationship constraints are somewhat semantic as well.

Fosco

3:03 PM

> Constraints are like training wheels... It's there to stop the bike from tipping over. However, if you just don't tip over, you don't need training wheels. You could manage the key in your application logic without requiring the database constraint.

Yi Jiang

@TimStone It's Tim Down, apparently. Yeah, I'm not very good with names

Fosco

> @Fosco, that's about the silliest comment I've ever seen. It indicates a total lack of understanding of the role of the database engine.

Yi Jiang

1

A: Cross Browser Selection Range Library?

I've recently been working on a cross-browser Range and selection library called Rangy. In its current version it's not dissimilar in concept to IERange but goes beyond it in terms of implementation of the DOM level 2 Range and HTML 5 selection specifications, and also in terms of stability and w...

Tim Stone

@YiJiang +10 for thinking to give me credit despite that though, I like the initiative.

Yi Jiang

@TimStone No, I just blame me mixing up people with the same first name

Tim Stone

3:04 PM

+10: REVOKED then.

Yi Jiang

There are four people called "Matthew" in the club I'm in at school.

I had a really fun time trying to figure out who's who

1

Q: the element which has no children returns nothing

the element which has no children returns nothing including null.. then how can we use the return value?

javascript

> Ancient chinese proverb say "the element which has no children returns nothing". Please add some detail to your question. – Andy E

^ + 1000 to this comment

Tim Stone

"nothing including null"

That's a pretty special nothing.

2

Q: [Solved] PHP faked multiple inheritance - having object attributes set in fake parent class available in extended class

I have used faking of multiple inheritance as given in Can I extend a class using more than 1 class in PHP? Notice that class A actually extends class B and faking is done for extending from class C. It was working fine until I needed an attribute set in a function of class C to be available in...

php parameters multiple-inheritance fakes

scratches head

Why does everyone always want to find a way to make multiple inheritance work?

Fosco

heyOHHHH

Tim Stone

Hahah

Yi Jiang

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 hour ago, by Yi Jiang

人之初，性本善。性相近，习相远。 -> Man's nature is good. Sex, Distinct far.

Google Translate's take on Ancient Chinese Proverbs

I maintain that the Google Translate engineer's are dirty

balpha

3:17 PM

this is Google's translation of (what I think are) two people on chat.SO talking about cloning the chat:

> Oh, not afraid of him? Is not to find people to do or cattle do we can do it slowly. This can be learned, very cattle. Death is all deeply attached to each network in our hands The following icons also suggest someone replies to your speech. Too much bad, and the details of everywhere experience

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rchern

haha

what room is this?

balpha

chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/271/my-second-test-rom

Yi Jiang

@rchern Translation Party, of course!

rchern

heh

Tim Stone

Heheh :P

Yi Jiang

3:23 PM

Hehe... I can translate those messages in that room if you want

Quite a lot of slang though. I've not kept up with Chinese internet language.

rchern

@TimStone, I added in that id attribute to my code so that once the business people convince the vendor to modify their code we're all set. My head hurts just looking at an id like that.

balpha

@YiJiang what'S ICANHAZCHEESEBURGER in chinese? :)

Yi Jiang

@balpha They're basically talking about how cool the chat is.

Tim Stone

@rchern Yeah, the browsers spent so much time trying to prevent you from accidentally sharing information between the pages that they forgot you might actually want to do so :/

Yi Jiang

They want to copy the chat functions for one of their own projects

They talked about the reply system as well as the oneboxing system

And praised the people who built it for their attention to details

Fosco

3:26 PM

yeah it's copy-worthy... best compliment ever!

balpha

cool -- and which part of that did google turn into cattle?

2

Fosco

> It's revolution about chat.

Popular Demand

@balpha The part about the users, no doubt.

Yi Jiang

@balpha 很牛 in Chinese literally mean "very cow", but is actually slang for erm...

I can't find a good translation for that phrase

balpha

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rchern

3:27 PM

hahahaha

that's what my cat looks like

if, ya know, it wasn't wearing a cow costume

Michael Mrozek

That's what my cow looks like, if there weren't a cat where the limbs and face should be

Fosco

i got a cat last week (a stray that had a collar)... took it to the vet yesterday and found out what it was. Burmese Tortoiseshell.. the vet said 'thats a very expensive cat', then charged me $260 for shots.

maybe he meant, 'thats going to be a very expensive cat' ? :)

Yi Jiang

Okay, that phrase, 很牛 should be translated as "very cool", in a over-the-top way

Tim Stone

@Fosco I think they run for a grand or two, actually. Unless I'm mistaken them for another breed.

Yi Jiang

So every time Google tells you they're talking about cows they're actually admiring the chat for how cool it is

Tim Stone

3:31 PM

Hahah

balpha

@YiJiang That sentence makes so little sense without context, I have to get that on a T-Shirt

Yi Jiang

@balpha Well, you'll just have to take my word for it. Google Translate can't handle slang I think

balpha

no, I mean this sentence:

1 min ago, by Yi Jiang

So every time Google tells you they're talking about cows they're actually admiring the chat for how cool it is

I believe you :)

rchern

@balpha There's your first mistake.

Popular Demand

Hm, do I want to get into a grammar fight with someone in MSO comments... decisions, decisions....

Tim Stone

3:35 PM

@PopularDemand You already know the answer is yes.

You also know to link us.

Popular Demand

@TimStone Actually, I was going to go with "no," but I will link you.

Michael Mrozek

@PopularDemand As long as you completely ignore their original point while you do it

balpha

Sep 15 at 21:43, by balpha

SE sites need a "This question was recently mentioned in a chat room. Don't be surprised by incomprehensible edit wars" notification

Popular Demand

@TimStone meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/69798/#comment-168148

Tim Stone

Especially now that I added comment highlighting to the userscript so I can know what comment you actually linked to without going to the DOM

Ah ha, yeah...

Popular Demand

3:38 PM

@TimStone You did what now?

balpha

@PopularDemand just edit the post to say "It was only a few hours previouser that I had"

always go for compromise

Popular Demand

@balpha That'll just lead to "I'm not going to roll back, but 'earli' would've been a better compromise."

balpha

I unagree

Tim Stone

That

Popular Demand

@TimStone Ah, nice. Doesn't the link automatically take you to the right comment, though?

Tim Stone

3:43 PM

Yeah, except in cases where the page isn't long enough to scroll.

rchern

@TimStone geez, someone should really handle those pull requests already

Tim Stone

The highlight is supposed to fade like questions, and it was...but it seems broke now, hrm.

@rchern For realz ;)

Also, before you couldn't link to comments that were hidden, but if the person you're linking to has the script, those will work now too.

Yi Jiang

@TimStone They're probably using something like the jQuery color plugin. I'll have a look

Popular Demand

Huh, treble (v) = triple (v). Thanks, BBC World Service!

Tim Stone

        	var finalColor = '#FFF';
            $('#answer-4146204').animate({ backgroundColor:finalColor }, 2000, 'linear', function() {
            	    // shove the hex color into an element to easily compare rbg() numbers
            		var test = $('<span></span>').css('background-color', finalColor);
            		if ($(this).css('background-color') != test.css('background-color')) {
            			$(this).css('background-color', finalColor);
            		}

            	}
            );

@YiJiang

rchern

3:46 PM

@TimStone, getting a js error in Chrome from SEMod

Tim Stone

Uh oh >_>

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Okay, they're definitely using the jQuery color plugin

Tim Stone

I tested it this time too..hrm. What's the error?

rchern

Tim Stone

..

rchern

3:50 PM

seems to mostly work.

Yi Jiang

I swear, one more question like this, and I'll start referring to WA as "the site where people don't have eyes"

1

A: How do I disable Google Instant Previews?

You can use the menu found on the side of the search box.

Tim Stone

status-norepo

@rchern, you didn't have to knock chat offline just because I couldn't repo your bug. :P

2

Yi Jiang

Hmmm... is chat working now?

balpha

seems to be back

Tim Stone

Hoorah

Aiden Bell

4:03 PM

Hurray

Tim Stone

Chat's back, and it brought @AidenBell with it

'Ello

Yi Jiang

@rchern Possible WA -> SO candidate?

0

Q: What is a good method for auto-testing a customers API credentials on Authorize.Net?

In our app, customers put in their own unique API credentials for Authorize.Net. So basically, each customer account has a different Login ID and Transaction Key, as supplied by Authorize.Net. We're a shopping cart type product. We have problems with customers entering the wrong thing or not cop...

api ecommerce

Aiden Bell

@TimStone - Hello - I arrived on the cosmic ray that knocked out the chat

Tim Stone

Ah, the pieces of the puzzle are starting to come together now

Popular Demand

@YiJiang I'm wary of any question with a title of "What is a good *"

Also "Best [mroozek] for [barchern]"

Tim Stone

4:07 PM

@PopularDemand Yeah, go great or go home.

Yi Jiang

@PopularDemand I'm starting to think anything that has more than three paragraph doesn't really belong on WA

@PopularDemand Go for [barchern]. Fits the Tavern theme

Popular Demand

@YiJiang Gosh, if you took the time to read the question, you'd see I'm already using [barchern]. What I need is the best [mroozek].

Yi Jiang

@PopularDemand Oh dear. I blame WA for my drop in reading skills

Also, I'm spinning the wheel for this spade of timeouts

Tim Stone

The wheel tells me that it's Jin's fault, but that seems unlikely.

Yi Jiang

@TimStone He could be fiddling with chat.se's @-mention color

Tim Stone

4:12 PM

Ah, maybe the next issue will be Jin's fault, as I was a bit late in spinning the wheel.

rchern

What is all this about [barchern] o:

Yi Jiang

@rchern A new product of the SuperColliding DropDown, of course

Michael Mrozek

@rchern I decided not to ask

rchern

hrmmmmmmmm

may have screwed something up royally.

Popular Demand

@YiJiang I was looking for a source link in "Question title that doesn't describe the problem," but I actually can't find one.

rchern

4:14 PM

That error is actually coming from SEChatMod, but on the site's /questions page, not chat.

Popular Demand

@rchern You were there.

Nov 6 at 23:40, by radp

@PopularDemand foo → mroozek

rchern

Why is the chat script triggering on the sites >_>

Especially since we've already discovered that meta changes (ie, @include) requires a full uninstall/install whereas I just did a disable/enable

Tim Stone

Oh, so it's not my fault? Hooray! ;)

But yeah, good question.

rchern

@TimStone TBD. (:

Tim Stone

I still maintain that it's [status-norepo] :P

Yi Jiang

4:19 PM

@rchern Points to the Wheel. That, my friends, is the only way blame can get shared equally

Popular Demand

@YiJiang Why share it equally if we can dump it all on, oh, say, Mrozek?

rchern

I did an uninstall and installed from the server and still it is triggering on the sites >_>

Chacha102

Hello

Popular Demand

> yea i know :(, but until SO provides tactile feedback by way of electric shock, theres not alot that can be done about this really. – jasper 28 mins ago

Yi Jiang

@PopularDemand Mmmmhmmm... I smell a [feature-req]

Chacha102

4:24 PM

:)

I mean, its Friday right?

Yi Jiang

@Chacha102 Only Thursday here at GMT+8, we've gotta do better than that

Tim Stone

@rchern Chrome fail!

spoulson

Hello

Tim Stone

'Ello @Chacha102, @spoulson

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Shush, she must not hear the bad news

balpha

4:26 PM

meta needs more creative user names

3

Popular Demand

@YiJiang Already requested.

Already doing my part, balpha.

balpha

@PopularDemand you were my inspiration :)

3

Popular Demand

@balpha I will treasure this message forever.

Well, my day is complete on the Stack Exchange front, see you all tomorrow.

Tim Stone

See ya

rchern

This is strange.

Yi Jiang

4:30 PM

@rchern No, this is stranger. MSO is the very definition of strange.

Tim Stone

@rchern Strange enough not to be my fault, excellent.

rchern

Uninstalling, reinstalling, and restarting Chrome several times seems to have fixed it.

Nice work, @TimStone!

lol

Tim Stone

Heheh, hoorah! ;)

rchern

now I'm back to only having sstatic errors hehe

Tim Stone

Why are you getting those?

Chacha102

4:37 PM

Hello

rchern

Ah, the question I was looking at that had several comments was the glossary and it has the old sstatic links for a couple of the images.

Chacha102

Tim Stone

Ah, heheh :)

All hail muffincat!

Chacha102

Its totally a meme...

rchern

(In this answer)

Meh. Pulling it out of the sprite conflicts with my be-lazy attitude right now haha.

balpha

4:47 PM

Yay! Physics Stack Exchange is now in public beta. http://physics.stackexchange.com/

Tweeted by spolsky on November 10, 2010 at 4:46 PM

Tim Stone

Yay physics!

Popular Demand

@TimStone Pffft. What has physics done for me lately?

Tim Stone

A lot, theoretically.

Chacha102

What has Physics ever done for me?

Popular Demand

@TimStone "Marge, in theory, communism works. In theory."

Yi Jiang

4:53 PM

@Chacha102 It's been propping up my GPA for quite a while now

The Unhandled Exception

Anyone else having connectivity issues?

Yi Jiang

Together with Computing of course

balpha

yeah

Yi Jiang

@balpha What, you mean you're not to blame?

Popular Demand

@YiJiang What? You can be both a victim and the responsible party.

balpha

4:54 PM

"responsible party" -- that sounds like a warning label on a beer bottle

The Unhandled Exception

@balpha Yeah to me or yeah to a conversation I just walked into? ;-)

balpha

@TheUnhandledException yeah

The Unhandled Exception

LOL

rchern

If only it were actually 2 in the afternoon, hehe. Err, 1 now I guess, but still!

Yi Jiang

@rchern If only it were not 1 in the morning and I'm dosing off in front of my computer. But still!

The Unhandled Exception

4:55 PM

goes back to pretending to do work while actually sneaking time in to code XMPP write support

Popular Demand

@TheUnhandledException I thought you said yesterday you couldn't do that because your job was in HyperUltraMegaDeathCatchupSurge mode.

Yi Jiang

The Wheel of Blame saiz:

There is no escape this time @balpha!

The Unhandled Exception

@PopularDemand I can't spend much time on it, but I'm frustrated by an issue I've been working on this morning and so am allowing myself no more than 30 minutes of "fun" coding time

be sure to remind me in 27 minutes that I should be working @PopularDemand ;-)

Popular Demand

Can we stop considering [status-something] to be the easter egg here, and replace it with a Wheel of Blame?

balpha

@YiJiang your wheel isn't even a wheel

badly reinvented, I'd say

Yi Jiang

4:58 PM

@balpha Better than something which nobody else except you have seen

rchern

Feature Request: We want Eggs.WOB!

Tim Stone

@rchern +1 because saying "Eggs.WOB" amuses me.

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