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4:00 PM
@Mooseman Are you sure that shouldn't be closed as can't repro/typo?
@LynnCrumbling Perhaps, but I left a comment.
Anything still open which needs cv?
Doesn't seem so...
Of course!
Low Quality A (100%): Thanks! It realy worked... Thank you so matc..., by BF4 PLAYER, on gaming.stackexchange.com.
4:05 PM
What? Linkey
Thanks who-should-not-be-pinged
Actually, the owl is not around :P
The close vote queue depresses me immensely whenever I try to use it.
I thought there was a good progress on that queue?
4:07 PM
@jadarnel27 the moments when you pass an audit makes it worthwhile
Depresses me too, it's full of misery
@AndrewT. Yeah, it was at 115K
@AndrewT. The total amount isn't really the thing that depresses me. It's all the awful questions, in such a high concentration.
Closed, downvotes welcome stackoverflow.com/q/26759829/3622940
and flags on the answer ^ (Don't click on the two links, they both are bad)
@jadarnel27 Quick! Become a mod!
4:10 PM
There was some kind of filter that was keeping us from seeing the true number of questions in the close vote queue on SO. Is that still in place?
@jadarnel27 Maybe. I think you don't see the tasks where you've already acted on.
I was thinking of this:
A: Fuzzy the number of questions in the close review queue, a dopamine for the shutterers

m0saThis is now implemented (build rev 2014.2.27.1403 on sites) as lined out in Shog's answer. We now have a per-site configurable close vote threshold for questions to be enqueued in the close vote review queue. Review tasks with fewer close votes and no do not close review results will be gradually...

Q: Burninate [replace]

MoosemanIs it possible to be an expert in replace? The newest page of the 10.6k tagged questions contains javascript, php, ant, shell, and more. Additionally, replace is vague: although most questions are related to regex, and are commonly tagged, some questions like these are unrelated. On a side note...

@Mooseman Hmm, haven't showed up in our room yet...
Oh, it's a new post.
Its closed as dupe already
4:13 PM
^ How I think bluefeet has been for the previous hours waiting for @Mooseman to post it
^ Jan looking for spammers
@Unihedron Quite possibly...
^ (insert witty caption here)
4:15 PM
^ Josh looking for people that don't like the color brown
Speaking of which.
^ @Rafflesiaarnoldii your flower after being blurred is too convincing
I miss trains a lot
@InfiniteRecursion There was one in The SO Tavern :D
4:17 PM
@InfiniteRecursion I get to take a train trip tomorrow (yay!)
@Unihedron Yeah, a really long one.
in Tag Burnination on Stack Overflow Chat, 13 secs ago, by Feeds
Q: Burninate [replace]

MoosemanIs it possible to be an expert in replace? The newest page of the 10.6k tagged questions contains javascript, php, ant, shell, and more. Additionally, replace is vague: although most questions are related to regex, and are commonly tagged, some questions like these are unrelated. On a side note...

Oh, I guess this is the more-current state of things with the close vote queue on SO:
A: Enough fuzzying: let's let everything into the close queue and age out questions that don't reach a threshold

m0saImplemented and going live in build rev 2014.5.7.2223 on meta and 2014.5.7.1592 on sites. Expect the number of items in the close queue to drop a bit.

4:27 PM
@Rafflesiaarnoldii really? Ok then, I will stop protesting and see how it goes :)
But I won't answer, I will give them an ugly flower called Rafflesia arnoldii
@ShadowWizard I agree, it isn't OT, read it again. Unsubscribe from what?
@ShadowWizard I answered now here and maybe it was not too broad but I still feel it is a better fit for SU or SF. If you see my answer don't you agree?
Q: Dealing with a claim that a post on SO is using copyrighted content without permission

trejderThis (a bit surprising) answer to this question has just poped in my review queue. How should I react on similar claims, that question is using a copyrighted content as example to picture problem being asked? Should I: recommend deletion and do nothing more, recommend deletion, but leave comme...

@Unihedron yeah, he already notified me. I didn't though it's that serious, though I should have thought about it
ok, I wasn't sure if you've seen the meta post, so I linked it
Spam A (83.9%): Go into adobe type manager and deactivate al..., by PepijndeWit, on superuser.com.
4:40 PM
Filerepair forum^
@AndrewT. Never edit to make any drastic changes, clean up grammar and typos and fix tags, fix sentence structure if it's a non-native speaker and add image if it's a low rep user < 10 rep who can't upload images. That's a good way to avoid trouble.
@Pham del
@InfiniteRecursion thanks, and welcome back, Inf :)
Don't make Inf mad again :I
@AndrewT. When he said cv-queue is depressing, I remembered that my avatar is more depressing
4:44 PM
@Unihedron do we flag that as spam?
@rene yeppers
@rene yes
and burn it with FIRE
The Q as well? Because that LeoVanDoorn use is in that same forum thread
Oh, is that a known spammy website? Because that answer looked like it was trying to answer the question (just glanced at it).
4:46 PM
@rene Yes! If you know they're a spammer, flag it as spam. The mods will also be able to revise and nuke the accounts.
Use a custom flag if you want extra safety.
Yup, it's part of a coordinated campaign to spam file recovery tools to Stack Overflow, Super User, Server Fault, and other sites on the network: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/269868/19679 . They've been getting progressively more creative with their spam, now seeding questions with one account and answering with another. The real problem is that reviewers are usually approving their spam now, so I have to sweep through every few days and remove the spam that made it through. — Brad Larson Oct 4 at 21:34
Q: Suspicious pattern of questions/replies

Steve RindsbergI've noticed a pattern in StackOverflow and on another forum I participate on ... a user asks a question, always related to difficulties with corrupted PPT files, and within a short time, gets an answer with vague suggestions, some of them incorrect or irrelevant, and a link to the same site or f...

^ documentation
@Unihedron safety? I'm grown-up now... I live life on the edge...
Then flag as SPAM! :D
in The SO Tavern (Free Snacks) on Stack Overflow Chat, Nov 2 at 11:30, by rene
@TGMCians it is great to buy the stuff at the grocery, chop the stuff and your finger, lovely smells of fresh herbs, burned potatoes and in the end a kitchen that looks like a bomb went off. And I do that every day...
^ I guess that's you "living on the edge" ;)
4:51 PM
tnx for bringing that up again....
38 mins ago, by Unihedron
user image
^ rene living on the edge
(The more I think about it, you can really caption everything with that pic)
Low Quality A (100%): noodles are good! and im dumb!, by user29100, on cooking.stackexchange.com.
5:12 PM
Moderator Note: I purged comments because it turned into "You ought to do this, you ought to do that". If you have an answer for how it should be handled, post an answer so that the community can vote on it. By having the argument in the comments, it appears that you're dumping on the moderator just to dump on the moderator. That's not acceptable here. If you have a comment seeking clarification, post that comment. Once that's done, there's no need for back and forth. — George Stocker ♦ yesterday
Post became a debate now :/
@bluefeet my point is, SO moderators still seem to be having difficulties recognising cases that fall under another castle guidance, even when flaggers try to help them by referring to it: 'I run an experiment, flagged it NAA and got decline: "a moderator reviewed your flag, but found no evidence to support it". Wonder how hard is to not find evidence when post has comment referring to guidance...' — gnat 2 hours ago
oh hey, the duck is back
@Shog9 shhh, is a surprise ;)
I wasn't sure how I was gonna get any debugging done
yeah, ducks are important for debugging!
goes to propose ducks.SE
5:22 PM
> I have no idea what the quack I'm doing
^ this duck looks confused.
^^ Perhaps it'll post a new well-worded question on SO to request guidance.
thanks for your advice, now I know how to deal with the situation, it really helped
23 hours ago, by Shog9
Especially if you periodically kick people who ping you
Mar 17 '11 at 14:43, by Shog9
kicks @badp once more for good luck
that... may have backfired
@InfiniteRecursion So is the mod's position effectively that all link-only answers should first have a comment placed on the answer, then wait a few [minutes/hours/days?], then flag for naa?
5:29 PM
Kinda sorta, I had a lot of such naa's declined and saw mod leave a comment on the post, that's why I finally asked on MSO to get clarity
@Shog9 feel free to throw in your $0.02 on that, too; she may have me ignored atm
Ahh, ok - wasn't sure if you'd muted me ;)
It seems like most mods will just happily remove a link-only. I've only seen one declined once.
In practice, yes, they decline it. But commenting fails the purpose of flagging, flagger is no longer anonymous, and gets targetted
At least the mod admitted that they should have at least marked helpful instead of declined.
re: targetted - You mean for revenge-dv'ing?
@Shog9 Question: I'm receiving occasional stackexchange inbox emails; which is fine in itself except I thought I changed my email address on all my profile pages. Do you have a way of finding out which of my profiles has my @gmail.com address still?
(The emails themselves are fairly inconsistent as well, it's weird.)
yes, they argue in comments, and you receive a few downvotes @LynnCrumbling
^ false positive
But kind of a goofy question.
Hm; can I use the commands?
@SmokeDetector false
Just the cool people.
@SmokeDetector false
@InfiniteRecursion Registered as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.
Poke Undo if you want access, @JasonC. It's restricted to prevent abuse
@Undo, can you please provide Smokey's command access for @JasonC? ^^
[ SmokeDetector ] Phone number detected, All-caps title: +91-9950211818 L O V E MARRIAGE SPECIALIST by m_maa32 on english.stackexchange.com
5:46 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Score of 95.4565: +91-9950211818 L O V E MARRIAGE SPECIALIST on english.stackexchange.com
@hichris123 true
@SmokeDetector true
@SmokeDetector true
@rene Registered as true positive: added title to Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
@InfiniteRecursion Registered as true positive: added title to Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
@InfiniteRecursion Oh; thanks.
5:51 PM
@hichris123 "This post was arbitrarily awarded 95.4565 spamness points"... Maybe round() the output?
Or maybe we are hosting spammers Olympics, and it requires photo-finish.
The score can't be rounded, filter loses precision
@JasonC go here & look at the email address: meta.stackexchange.com/users/preferences/current
@Inf I think Rafflesia means round the number on display.
Yes ^ I mean the output here, for human consumption
5:56 PM
You, of all the humans here, are supposed to prefer numbers, you are a maths expert!
^^ SE Hot List also shows ridiculous precision, but I understand this is just to troll gnat.
Common misconception. I hate messy decimals, and this is not atypical for a mathematician.
@Shog9 Ah; thanks, I missed the obvious one. Is the meta user profile email tied to gravatar?
@Shog9 Also why does my meta profile page (meta.stackexchange.com/users/230261/jason-c) show a different email address than the preferences there?
And all of them for that matter.
Whoa no wonder I've been getting these emails...
Ok, that makes sense..programmers don't mind/notice messy decimals, we like to see non-refined output with as much info as possible, helps debug ;)
Else hichris has to check the log of that message to see the real value, if he filters the output here for human consumption
6:01 PM
Low Quality Q (36.1%): how to flash a new firmware to an android phone using your pc?, by fuad haneef, on stackoverflow.com.
Body: "....kkkkykykykykkykykyyyyyyykkyky".
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: WHAT ABOUT THİNK YOU by Kardelen Guler on askubuntu.com
The one posted by Pham is an interesting case. The body qualifies for "abusive" flag. Yet there is a somewhat sensible title. I still flagged as abusive.
6:03 PM
Wanna mark that vaild/good/whatever @InfiniteRecursion?
Side note: Pham rounded the decimal.
@Shog9 Actually, better question now that I've made sense of it: On all sites, are the notification emails tied to gravatar or just the profile emails?
@SmokeDetector true
@SmokeDetector tpu
@JasonC notifications / newsletters are tied to the email in preferences.
Which is the same across the network
Your profile email can be different per-site.
6:06 PM
It's generally unused.
Nope, dead :/
@Shog9 Ah, thanks.
@InfiniteRecursion :/
Low Quality Q (23.4%): some serious error getting, by oneplace Java Developer, on dba.stackexchange.com.
6:08 PM
^ Lol
We got some serious error getting in here, guys.
@JasonC I clicked edit but left it alone...
Oh. Dang it. Smokey2 beat me
shakes fist in the air
What does pob stand for?
6:11 PM
/me waves friendly back to Andy
@Rafflesiaarnoldii primarily opinion based
It's not Smokey2, it's hiSmokey123
But that's soooooo many more numbers. Let's take a vote. More stars is the winner. Should @hichris123's bot be:
Tavern is getting flowerful.
@InfiniteRecursion can't right now, busy ;)
6:18 PM
Ok @Undo :)
At this hour, everyday we reply the same questionaire: do you get paid? are you with me? why downvote questions? Feels odd today coz no one is asking...
@Undo Awww, and you don't have a command for adding users, what a shame ;D
@rene cheers, IIS is tightly related with ASP.NET so think it's fine to have it on SO.
@InfiniteRecursion unsubscribe from "ask Inf about stuff" :)
note to self: unsubscribe today
6:31 PM
@ShadowWizard OK, if you say so...
Hi Kitten
Hi duck!
Wondering if @balpha is around.
Hi kewl kitten!
6:35 PM
Or, really anyone who knows the chat rules well.
wondering if discussion related to whispers (gamergate) is allowed on the chats.
Flag any of JasonC's messages, the entire dev team will come here and help you (joking) ;P
I know at least some of the mods are anti-gg, so I don't want to get banned for talking about it.
@SomeKittens Depends. Which room are you in and what are you proposing you discuss. There was a room earlier today that was reprimanded for discussing inappropriate things related to gg
@Andy Yeah, I want to get a better definition of "inappropriate"
:2615136 Very quick summary: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_controversy
6:37 PM
/me wants to avoid mod-wrath
I don't know much about it myself, so I'd like to not get banned for asking about it.
Thanks Andy
(I'm at least hoping that meta-asking is ok)
I eat gamergate for breakfast
in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 9 hours ago, by Tim Post
If you coordinate the spamming of a users inbox using our chat system, you will be suspended for a year, no questions asked. - I don't want to see that crap in our chat ever again.
If it has anything to do with that...don't.
@Andy huh?
6:39 PM
@SomeKittens The mods are generally pretty reasonable. Having a *constructive" discussion about a topic would be okay. Even about "gamergate." The point is to be constructive about it.
Not sure what that has to do with the gg thing.
Check out this chat for some examples on how to not be constructive.
@jadarnel27 Again, no complaint here. I'm just looking for official guidelines about being "constructive"
What would be the point of such "official guidelines?" People should be capable of having reasonable, mature conversations without needing an instruction manual.
@jadarnel27 It keeps both us and the mods accountable
6:42 PM
Go to the transcript and read part of that conversation. That has everything to do with it. If you are going to discuss it without it becoming a bash the (fe)male gender and can do so without it becoming a flame war, have at it.
@Andy The one with the Jhawnis dude?
@SomeKittens I'd expect it to more likely be a source of endless whining and loopholes.
@jadarnel27 as would I.
"But the guidelines don't say anything about X, so you can't ban me!"
@Andy I can see why his mouthing off to the mods would be a problem - but I don't see where he was bashing genders.
enlighten me?
6:44 PM
@SomeKittens The entire gamergate thing in general.
@jadarnel27 Culturally and personally, constructive could mean [slightly] various things. I guess what somekittens is asking, is, What does SO's culture mandate as constructive?
@Andy Sorry, I don't understand. Discussion of GG is ok so long as it's not bashing genders, but discussing GG is bashing genders?
Text can be hard to communicate with, so I'm trying to not make assumptions
in The SO Tavern (Free Snacks) on Stack Overflow Chat, Jul 28 at 15:43, by rene
If you want so desperately an unmoderated chatroom why don't you use freenode?
@NickDugger Exactly. While this is an extreme example, I know people who think using racial epithets to describe the benefits of genocide is "constructive". Obviously SO is not like that, but something beyond "Constructive" would help.
I think all of this is going to fall under the "Be Nice" policy. SE doesn't have firm rules on a lot of things
6:47 PM
I thought Shog was quite clear.
@ɥʇǝS Yeah. Dude shot his mouth off to the mods - bad idea. Totally understand the ban there.
You can certainly have a discussion on GamerGate. I'd love to see you keep it constructive. It is surrounded by so much baggage at this point, though.
@SomeKittens: Afaik, he shot his mouth off after the ban
@NickDugger I think there's a certain amount of common sense that can be applied without the need to nail down specific guidelines. Beyond that, most mods would just warn you if you're getting out of line. If someone belligerently harps on about whatever it is after that, that's there fault.
@Andy Yeah, you're telling me.
6:49 PM
But then again, I'm barely following this mess
@Andy Strongly agree.
@Cerbrus huh? Wouldn't he not be able to chat post-ban?
@SomeKittens Uh no, I meant what he considered a constructive conversation.
I can understand it taking a sec for changes to propagate.
@SomeKittens: He was banned from a room, then in a private room, had that "discussion"
6:50 PM
@ɥʇǝS sorry, I misunderstood. rereads
Start here:
@Cerbrus Ah! Thank you.
From what I understood of it
in Room for jhawins and balpha, 2 hours ago, by Shog9
That. That's causing problems. You wanna debate something you disagree with? Do it politely, do it constructively, do it like you some day aspire to be A REASONABLE HUMAN BEING WITH OPINIONS THAT MATTER.
@SomeKittens "I know people who think using racial epithets to describe the benefits of genocide is "constructive"" - I don't think any reasonable person would consider that constructive. And I'm sure those people that you know are aware that their perspective is out of the norm.
6:50 PM
@Cerbrus he as banned from chat.so, not chat.se//cc @SomeKittens
well he's banned everywhere now..
So, ignore what I said
> do it like you some day aspire to be A REASONABLE HUMAN BEING WITH OPINIONS THAT MATTER.
is a bit rude imo
@jadarnel27 That would be wonderful if true, but these people considered themselves perfectly normal. After all, all their friends agreed with them! There's a reason I moved...
6:51 PM
but as one of the people in question here, I'm backing out now.
@ɥʇǝS I guess that's fair, do it without calling people names.
hm, ok, I take that back. He isn't suspended on chat.se.
@SomeKittens basically does your conversation fall under the "be nice" policy? Then you're probably ok.
and unless you're really going over the top you'll usually get a nicer warning than a CM suddenly entering with bold type.
Use common sense, be nice, etc, etc. It isn't that hard, just use respect to the person you're talking to and remember you are talking in a public chat that anyone could find and read at any moment. They probably already are.
@ɥʇǝS Right, so "I feel that what this woman is doing here is not beneficial to effective discourse and, as a whole muddies the waters instead of moving things to a reasonable conculsion. As such, I feel that her continued employment should be called into question." is appropriate?
You can't take back what you said, lol
Seth: edited.
6:56 PM
The first revision was fine, but dunno about the second. At least you worded it nice.
Yeah, that's kinda my question.
I'm not really up to speed about this whole GG thing, but if I've learned anything from participating on SE (and chat.se) it is this: If you have any doubts, don't say it. Just don't. It will save you eons of confusion and trouble. Everything you think is not necessarily appropriate for the Stack Exchange network.
@SomeKittens Heh, I can't say I blame you for getting away from folks like that =)
@ɥʇǝS Awesomely said.
@ɥʇǝS he will be if he actually tries to use it / someone forces chat to sync with main-site accounts. The whole point was "leave and think about what has been said, stop trying to use your own bad behavior to segue into some overwrought offsite discussion" - and since the point wasn't taken, that's now enforced.
That being said, you're talking about someone who isn't here to defend himself - a bit of courtesy, please.
@Shog9 ah, good!
you're here.
Mind commenting on my above question?
6:58 PM
in a manner of speaking
So I, personally, would leave the employment part out because it is very likely to cause problems.
@Shog9 I can't believe I agree with you.
Dawn of a new era.
@JasonC First time for everything. ;)

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