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Wow. I'm finally getting around to downloading an IDE for the effectively new computer. Skipping MyEclipse and going with regular Eclipse... but so many flavors!

rchern

hehe

Tim Stone

@PopularDemand Wow, the MyEclipse website is....

Eh

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Tablelicious, that's the word you're looking for

Tim Stone

@YiJiang That works, but I also want something that speaks more to the "WTF are these colours?" feeling I'm having.

Popular Demand

There are way too many add-ons to Eclipse. I have no idea what to get.

Tim Stone

2:44 AM

@PopularDemand What are you doing?

Popular Demand

> Congrats, you've gained the privilege to edit questions and answers [on SO]

Finally! </itsAllAboutMe>

Tim Stone

Oh, exciting!

rchern

nice!

Popular Demand

Thanks!

Alright, where's some poorly-formatted code at?

Yi Jiang

@PopularDemand stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/…

Look for 1 rep users

Popular Demand

2:47 AM

@YiJiang Heh, thanks.

Tim Stone

@YiJiang Unformatted HTML is the best, because then other users think that no code was posted.

Popular Demand

By the way: does anyone else not close the "you won a badge"/"you gained a privilege"-style banners?

I feel like there's not enough color without them.

Tim Stone

Nice

Yi Jiang

@PopularDemand I close them almost immediately, because if not they propagate to the dozen or so SO tabs I usually have open like a virus and takes up that precious 20px of screen space

Popular Demand

I don't need that third of my screen.

Tim Stone

2:51 AM

Brings that crafty alien down to eye-level.

rchern

haha

Yi Jiang

@JeffAtwood How long will the migration last and associated accounts get turned on again?

@rchern rchern bot string collection ['haha!', 'nice!', hehe', 'ello!', 'oy', '):']

Popular Demand

@YiJiang You missed " oy ."

rchern

o:

Popular Demand

@rchern Yeah, that one too.

Oh, and don't forget >_>!

rchern

3:00 AM

huzzah!!!!!

Yi Jiang

@rchern Hmmm... the bot's behavior is getting British

rchern

i got /join working now too (;

Popular Demand

Any Eclipse suggestions before I choose by throwing a dart at my monitor?

rchern

suggestions?

Yi Jiang

@PopularDemand What are you doing with it?

rchern

3:04 AM

oh, for the versions?

eclipse.org/downloads/compare.php

Tim Stone

@PopularDemand Here's an edit for you: stackoverflow.com/posts/3947298/edit

Popular Demand

@YiJiang I assume bold means "I already asked you this and you didn't respond, dolt!" So, sorry.

Java, primarily.

Tim Stone

Note the use of <blink> tags around the code.

Yi Jiang

@PopularDemand Tim did

Popular Demand

Wicket, I hope.

I've had trouble installing that in the past.

JS, perhaps.

I'm thinking of learning C#, but I didn't see an option for that and never hear about Eclipse and C# in the same sentence, so I assume they aren't compatible.

Yi Jiang

3:07 AM

@PopularDemand Well, it is a general purpose IDE, so maybe...

Popular Demand

@TimStone Heh, thanks.

Tim Stone

@PopularDemand eclipse.org/downloads/packages/eclipse-ide-java-developers/…

Then install WTP, I guess. I actually think there might be some sort of plugin in WTP for Wicket, but I might be wrong..

Popular Demand

@TimStone This just baffles me.

Did he truly want blinking code?

Tim Stone

@PopularDemand His code is really attention worthy.

I was actually going to edit the post before I got confused by the random ellipsis and felt the urge to comment "Well there's your problem."

Popular Demand

@TimStone You mean attention-worthy only every other second?

Jeff Atwood

3:11 AM

@PopularDemand you are welcome!

Tim Stone

@PopularDemand Yes, it's a sort of hit and miss approach.

Popular Demand

Argh, while I was hovering on the submit button:

"Be advised: this post has been edited 1 time by other users while you were editing."

Yi Jiang

@PopularDemand Hehe.. beat you to it

I feel slightly more evil now

Popular Demand

There are four users named Justin Johnson?

Tim Stone

@YiJiang's evilness has increased! +10 EXP

Popular Demand

3:14 AM

@TimStone Thanks for this.

@YiJiang You left the all-majuscule title?

Tim Stone

Let me know how Wicket turns out for you by the way, so I can decide whether or not I made a bad decision by not going with it.

Popular Demand

Meh, not quite worth another edit.

I'll find plenty of things to edit on my own in the coming days, I'm sure.

@TimStone I use it at work. I have no experience with other frameworks, but it seems quite reasonable overall.

Yi Jiang

@PopularDemand How did I miss that! Go edit it, before somebody get's blinded by all the uppercaseness of it

Popular Demand

Since 1.4, it's been kind of a pain figuring out what to pop in for the generics, though.

Tim Stone

Ah, cool. We're using Play! right now.

Popular Demand

3:21 AM

Right, time to get my download on.

See you all in a bit.

Tim Stone

Good luck, heh.

shakes fist at Eclipse

rchern

3:32 AM

alright. who here is a keyboard shortcut person? other than star/quote/join what would be useful?

Tim Stone

I can't think of any other suggestion that isn't ridiculous for the sake of being ridiculous, actually.

rchern

i am positively loving /join ^__^

Tim Stone

Well, I guess you could add a quit too? I never leave, so not that important to me. :P

rchern

hehe yeah, me neither.

Yi Jiang

@rchern Hmmm... maybe some sort of random phrase generator? Yeah, running out of ideas

Tim Stone

3:38 AM

Do you have/is there already a shortcut to edit your last sent message?

Yi Jiang

Or /transcript to switch to the room transcript?

rchern

@TimStone hit the up arrow

Tim Stone

Oh right, I actually knew that...

Whoops.

rchern

(:

Yi Jiang

@rchern Where/When can we get a copy of your uber cool script?

rchern

3:41 AM

i don't consider it finished yet (:

Chacha102

4:00 AM

Hello

Tim Stone

'Ello

Yi Jiang

4:21 AM

-1

Q: 打包时怎么忽略掉不需要打包的文件,tar命令

打包时怎么忽略掉不需要打包的文件,如果用tar命令怎么打包? In English How to exclude files when packaging using tar? A BETTER TRANSLATION: How do I exclude files when packaging files using tar? Thanks Google Translate

linux

What sort of advice do you think we should give him?

Popular Demand

4:33 AM

@YiJiang I'm not sure, but you should reply in French.

Well, the first half in French, anyways.

rchern

|:

rchern

4:52 AM

@YiJiang, beta test? stackflair.com/SEChatModifications.user.js

2

/join <89 | tav>, /quote <id>, /transcript, /star <id>

Yi Jiang

@rchern Sure

/star 241173

Oops

rchern

shift+enter >_>

Yi Jiang

@rchern Well, do you expect any bugs?

Michael Mrozek

@rchern Awesome! Is it supposed to leave the command in the text area?

rchern

no and no

my code never has bugs

only features.

Michael Mrozek

4:58 AM

Well, it has that particular feature for me :)

rchern

heh

Michael Mrozek

This is way simpler than I thought it would be, I didn't think of just clicking the existing buttons

rchern

all commands or just one?

Michael Mrozek

I was going to try and figure out what it sent to the server when you click a star and replay that

I only tried /star

The others don't appear to work. Maybe /star didn't and somebody else just starred the same post at the same time

rchern

hrm

Michael Mrozek

5:00 AM

Yeah, never mind, I don't think any work

rchern

):

/transcript ?

Michael Mrozek

Let me shut off some of my more intrusive extensions

Yi Jiang

@rchern what is /quote suppose to do?

rchern

i had some console.log statements in there but i took them out

Yi Jiang

15 secs ago, by Yi Jiang

@rchern what is /quote suppose to do?

rchern

5:01 AM

16 secs ago, by Yi Jiang

@rchern what is /quote suppose to do?

Yi Jiang

Ah, okay, now it works

Michael Mrozek

It works now; I blame Vrome

Very cool

rchern

vrome?

Michael Mrozek

It seems to interfere with other extensions rather a lot. chromeextensions.org/other/vrome

rchern

ah

Chacha102

5:26 AM

Hello

I feel like a cukoo clock

every hour or so I come in here and say hi..

Yi Jiang

@Chacha102 I can build a bot to do that for you if you want ;)

rchern

heh

Chacha102

@YiJiang I think @rchern sees me enough. Every hour on the hour might make her head explode

2

rchern

o:

Chacha102

and she has such a beautiful head.. :)

Chacha102

5:47 AM

Yes, that is me practicing being nice/social....

night

balpha

8:38 AM

the avatar to-fade-or-not-to-fade issue should be fixed now, so if you see that again, please re-report

Troggy

8:57 AM

1

Q: What programming languages will have highest chances to exist if World War 3 happens?

Ok, this might sound like a weird question at first but ... believe me, this is not a stupid one. If World War 3 happens, will Microsoft have any chance to sell Windows? Will they make .NET source open and free? Will C# die? I think Java will have best chance to survive but I want to hear your o...

programming-languages

2

Was this the original intent of programmers.stackexchange? lol

radp

@TimStone I'm sorry, have 15 consolation rep

Yi Jiang

10:03 AM

@rchern <del>Bug</del> Feature Report: Some messages, such as deleted or edited messages, get double message id. Like this one here. I wonder if I can get more than one to appear. Yup. They disappear on refresh of course.

balpha

in Chat feedback on Stack Overflow Chat, 17 hours ago, by rchern

yeah, there's duplication on my edit, but meh

Yi Jiang

@balpha Haha... It's a feature™ alright.

@rchern I think giving the id their own class, then checking for length should do.

Yi Jiang

10:26 AM

Right... let's see if my patch works. With one edit... and again. Right, this works

if(!$this.siblings('.id').length){
   	var id = this.id.replace("message-","");
	$this.before("<div class='timestamp id'>" + id + "</div>");
}

Or not... Dammit, this fails for more than one posts joined together

Okay, take two. let's give this a try.

var id = this.id.replace("message-","");

if(!$(this).siblings('#id-' + id).length){
	$('<div />').insertBefore(this)
		.text(id)
		.addClass('timestamp')
		.attr('id', 'id-' + id);
}

This fixes the repeating id <del>bug</del> feature

Aiden Bell

Hello

Yi Jiang

@AidenBell 'Ello

You'll want to take a look at the chat userscript @rchern is developing

Aiden Bell

link? What's it do?

Yi Jiang

10:41 AM

5 hours ago, by rchern

/join <89 | tav>, /quote <id>, /transcript, /star <id>

Then press shift + enter to execute the commands

Aiden Bell

cool

Yi Jiang

Basically, it add's IRC-like commands

@AidenBell I've just fixed a bug. It also appear to be very customisable, kudos to @rchern for making it ;)

Aiden Bell

/quote <user> would be good to quote a user's last message

id's are unintuative

Yi Jiang

@AidenBell Yeah, but that's unlikely to be useful

I've asked her about keyboard navigation, but she seems to prefer this method

Aiden Bell

or along those lines, I don't see anywhere immediate to grab ids

Yi Jiang

10:44 AM

@AidenBell The script auto-adds the message id to the right of every message

Aiden Bell

aaahhh

Yi Jiang

The scripts above is my attempt at fixing a <del>bug</del> feature in her code about the auto-adding feature

Aiden Bell

that makes more sense

radp

Chrome (stable and dev) is the fastest browser. Opera (stable and beta) is the second fastest.

Yet, they're the two least-used browsers between the mainstream ones.

Clearly that's not right?

Aiden Bell

When has mainstream browser choice ever been right?

Saying that, im not a massive fan of Chrome development.

radp

10:54 AM

in other news Opera 11 is adding extensions.

that said I just can't switch from anything that isn't Chrome :/

even though Opera does torrents (nice!), sync with my mobile (nice!), email (meh), feeds (meh), webserver (meh), widgets (meh)...

Yi Jiang

12:30 PM

case "load":
	var loadBtn = $('#getmore');
	loadBtn.click();

	setTimeout(function() {
		if(loadBtn.text() === 'load older messages'){
			$(document).scrollTop($(document).height());
		}
	}, 100);

	handled = true;
	break;

@rchern I've just written a load function for that script

rchern

1:21 PM

o:

Yi Jiang

@rchern How does the jQuery plugin injection script work?

rchern

hm?

Yi Jiang

I'm trying to use livequery for something else but can't seem to get it to work

radp

is // @exclude chat.* valid for greasemonkey scripts?

Yi Jiang

case "highlight":
	var messages;

	if( isNaN(parseInt(id, 10)) ){
		messages = $('.username:contains("'+ id +'")').parents('.messages');
	} else {
		messages = $('#message-' + parseInt(id, 10));
	}
	messages.livequery(function(){
		$(this).addClass('gm-highlight');
	}
	handled = true;
	break;

I'm using this for highlighting, but I think it's failing on the livequery call

rchern

1:32 PM

the plugin gets included with this call/function

with_plugin("http://stackflair.com/jquery.livequery.js", function($) {

take a look at how that works

Yi Jiang

@rchern Yeah, but I read the function source, and it seems to insert a script element everytime it's called

Which seems very inefficient for this

rchern

well that's why there's only one with_jquery and one with_plugin (:

what if you just switch the order of ^^

Yi Jiang

@rchern Also, why isn't the with_jquery function inside the with_jquery function?

rchern

huh?

Yi Jiang

@rchern Oh wait.. chat uses jQuery... stupid question

rchern

1:35 PM

ah hehehehe (:

radp

0

A: What's the correct way to @include all SE sites?

// @include http://stackoverflow.com // @include http://superuser.com // @include http://serverfault.com // @include http://askubuntu.com // @include http://stackexchange.com // @include http://nothingtoinstall.com // @exclude http://odata.stackexchange.c...

am I missing anything there? (It's CW.)

Yi Jiang

@radp Eh, why not just include http://*.stackexchange.com

Tim Stone

Oh wow, it's Saturday...Hmm.

radp

er, good point, stackexchange.com and *.stackexchange are different

rchern

why is NTI on there and what @YiJiang said and those won't include the metas

radp

1:37 PM

chats, odata, area51 are good examples however

NTI will eventually be its own site <_<

Added metas.

rchern

kinda

meta.so

meta.su

// @include        http://*stackexchange.com/*
// @include        http://*stackoverflow.com/*
// @include        http://*superuser.com/*
// @include        http://*serverfault.com/*
// @include        http://*askubuntu.com/*
// @include        http://*answers.onstartups.com/*

isn't perfect either though

but that's what i have in my SEModifications script

Yi Jiang

@rchern I think it's just http://answer.onstartups.com/*

rchern

their meta is at meta.answers.onstartups.com

radp

@rchern be careful not touching chat in unwanted ways :)

rchern

o:

radp

1:41 PM

chat.stackexchange.com matches */stackexchange.com/*

just saying.

rchern

i know. but i also know the stuff in my SEModifications.user.js doesn't conflict

heh

and let's not mention SEChatModifcations.user.js.......

radp

I know you know, but for the context of that general answer I guess it's better to exclude them <.<

rchern

4 mins ago, by rchern

isn't perfect either though

radp

That's why I'm trying to get something perfect here:

0

Q: What's the correct way to @include all SE sites?

What's the @include sequence that most accurately lists all the SE sites for greasemonkey/userscript hacking purposes?

support stackexchange-2.0 greasemonkey

rchern

yes i understand that

radp

1:44 PM

tbh it'd be best if GM could just fetch the site list remotely

rchern

i was just showing you my variant because you didn't have the metas

radp

thanks, I've added them all now :)

rchern

(meta.)?seasonedadvice.com

radp

cooking got their own redirect too? nice :)

rchern

cooking actually gets to be called Seasoned Advice

check their page/logo

Yi Jiang

1:46 PM

highlight = function(element){
	element.livequery(function(){
		$(this).addClass('gm-highlight');
	});
};

This isn't working very well I think

rchern

you should expand on the @excludes for chats

radp

gah, I thought I did have a chat.* rule

rchern

you do, but it won't match chat.so

radp

no wait, it doesn't matter

chat just isn't matched by the includes

rchern

oh right got it

radp

1:49 PM

except for the upcoming chat.SE

rchern

@YiJiang, nice work on the id div modification. taking a look at load now

Yi Jiang

@rchern Can you say something, I'm testing the highlight script with livequery

rchern

something

Yi Jiang

@rchern Hmm... not working. Thanks

@rchern Can you try that again?

rchern

>_>

Yi Jiang

1:59 PM

@rchern Yes! It works! hugs and kisses ~

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