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8:00 PM

Any thoughts on that Chinese Steve Jobs -gizmodo.com/5663765/china-is-now-pirating-steve-jobs-himself

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Anyone here understand Chinese who wants to translate?

@spoulson - older.

There's a MTR app? Nifty.

John the Seagull

@Moshe I don't need to understand chinese to translate: "In pure Steve Jobs style, Mr X. presented the new application for the cnPhone, showing info about the transportation system in Hong Kong. We can see how he dresses just like the capitalist counterpart, but also drinks water and turns his pocket backwards. He also presented an application for the cnPad, he interacted with people and joked about as well. For CN news, Y Z"

@JohntheSeagull - I don't think that's what they are saying, but whatever.

John the Seagull

@Moshe If you listen carefully they do say steve jobs twice or thrice

@JohntheSeagull = i did notice that. Ok, whatever.

Time to start coding.

John the Seagull

8:06 PM

@Moshe Ok, whatever

whatever

ok guys... you created that stupid idea in my head... but I had to do it:

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maybe its Windows Mobile 7 ....

ok, conversations successfully killed...

Thomas McDonald

hai, that's disturbing

John the Seagull

and disgusting

@JohntheSeagull - I just thought the video was funny

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Q: How about a badge for having some quantity of accepted answers?

I think there should be a badge for having a certain number of your answers accepted, either in general, or in a specific tag. It would exclude Community Wiki and Self-Accepted answers. There could be different levels of badges. It's probably similar to the Unsung Hero badge, but score would b...

feature-request accepted-answer badge-request

8:22 PM

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Q: Cannot associate meta.stackoverflow with other sites

Here on Meta, with revision 2010.10.7.4, I am seeing a couple of issues. (Perhaps these are related to the data center migration or a prior revision from today - WA and SO have revision 2010.10.6.1) Account association broken (works on SO and WA) Inbox link in the StackExchange™ MultiCollide...

bug status-bydesign stackexchange global-inbox account-association

wonder why the title was edited to take out the part about the inbox

so many dupes ):

Why the heck doesn't SEDE have a search box?

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Q: Search on Stack Exchange Data Explorer

Could we please have a search box on SEDE to search the queries?

feature-request search data-explorer

@LanceRoberts Another badge that depends on transient inputs?

John the Seagull

@PopularDemand Your day has been completed twice.

@JohntheSeagull How do you figure?

John the Seagull

@PopularDemand You first had a triple oy, and then a single oy with 3 stars

8:25 PM

@LanceRoberts SEDE seems to be lacking several things that are standard on the normal sites

@Shog9 What do you mean by transient inputs? I would expect there to be a large number of accepts needed.

@JohntheSeagull Those aren't the same thing at all. You, sir, do not understand your oys.

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@MichaelMrozek Indeed.

John the Seagull

@PopularDemand I haven't said they are the same thing, just that they were equally fulfilling

@JohntheSeagull Digging yourself a deeper hole.

John the Seagull

If you say oy...

Clearly the starrers are against me so I'll concede the poynt

8:30 PM

@JohntheSeagull Heh.

@LanceRoberts What's "a large number"? 10? 50? 500?

Maybe, Bronze: 1, Silver: 100, Gold: 1000

John the Seagull

Awarded multiple times

What was the beta password to this chat site (chat.meta)? Anyone have it?

@Moshe <strike>That's really getting old.</strike> Wait, META?

8:35 PM

No, I wasn't thinking multiple times.

@PopularDemand - I'm seriously asking. Not chat.SO. I'm asking about chat.meta.so because the beta-access site is still up and asks for a code.

I got so used to silly chat.SO requests that my brain started filling it in. I have no idea what the beta pass was here.

@PopularDemand Yep.

@ANYONE?

It was posted on MSO though, I think.

We should make that a universal beep on all users, regardless of settings.

8:37 PM

@Moshe ? I'm currently using it?

And limit to three uses per person per day

@echox - What?

See this: chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/beta-access

@Moshe ah sorry, got you wrong :-P

@echox - everyone did.

@Moshe I think that post has been deleted.

@PopularDemand - Can the mods see it?

I want that passcode please.

Ugh

8:39 PM

@Moshe Not that it matters, but why do you care?

@Moshe 10k-ers should be able to see it.

@LanceRoberts So how does that incentivize good answers? If I post 500 crappy answers and 100 slightly less crappy answers that get accepted, I still get the badge...?

@PopularDemand - I am curious to see what the passcode look like?

@Shog9 - So award answers with upvotes

500 vanswers with a single vote or 400 with three upvotes etc.

@Moshe There's already a badge for that. Several, even. And rep...

Thomas McDonald

@PopularDemand I'm guessing it has something to do with the possibility of it being similar to the current chat.so password

@shog9 - combine the two ideas, a certain number of chosen answers combined with the upvotes

@ThomasMcDonald - I'm not going to deny it.

@Shog9 - then you don't get the "500 answer badge" unless the community likes your answers enough to upvote.

8:42 PM

@PopularDemand lold

@Moshe No, I get the 100 answer badge.

@Shog9 whatever, same idea

Well, right now, I get an Enlightened badge for every FGITW accepted answer with 10 up-votes.

If I get 40 up-votes on any accepted answer, I get a Guru badge

No, I mean if you get 500 answers with 1 upvote or more per answer, that should be a badge.

@Shog9 I was replying to your statement that you can get away with a bunch of bad answers and still get the badge.

So this would fill in a gap where you're getting a lot of accepted answers, but not many votes

Again, what behavior does this encourage?

8:46 PM

@Shog9 - yea

@Shog9 - answering with decent answers, is suppose. I didn't suggest the original badge, I'm just giving input.

@Shog9 That sounds like my answer history, and I still don't see how this badge would be useful, heh.

gtg

You don't determine whether or not your answers are accepted (self-accepts are explicitly excluded in the proposal). The people accepting your answers can change their minds at any time. The conditions for this badge aren't directly under the control of the person being awarded it in any way

I could post 10,000 great answers, and if someone else posted even better answers on all the same questions then they'd get the badge and I wouldn't.

Alternately, I could post 500 fair-to-middlin' answers on obscure questions, and still get the badges

Evenin' all

'Ello

8:49 PM

'evenin', Head

@Shog9: from one head to another, I think you need a jar :-)

Naw. Booooooorn free...

@Shog9 The theory being that crappy answers don't get accepted, just the ones that answer the question, and I feel that it mostly works that way.

@Shog9 Yes, but it works the same way for the vote-related Questions and Answers badges.

I guess I just really noticed the lack after my last accept with no upvotes, and realizing that while we had a badge for upvotes, we didn't for accepts, when the accepts are 'usually' the one that really answers the question best.

@Lance I'd rather see more effort pushed towards incentivizing the answering of old questions better. I just posted an answer on an old question only to see the accepted, "less robust" solution receive more votes from the bump.

or even accepting new answers on old questions.

@Shog9 This would help those who work in low-population tags. The Unsung Hero is a bit 'out there' since they only count zero-vote posts. This would encourage more work in niche tags. Sometimes (like this last time) I work hours on an answer, get the accept, but no upvote, so no help for the badges that already exist. Most time I get at least 1 upvote with the accept, so I'm not really geting close to the Unsung Hero, but still not getting close to the rep badges.

@AndyEshead I think this would help on that also, since it's even more incentive to try and answer questions that don't have an accepted answer yet.

9:01 PM

@LanceRoberts Hours? I'd like to see this answer.

@PopularDemand Heh, I only have one answer that took that long. :P

@Tim And it's not even complete.

Oh, I wasn't talking about that one, heh.

@LanceRoberts but doesn't help with the questions where the accepted answer might not be the best solution. The incentive, in that particular case, should be offered to the OP for correctly identifying the better solution.

@Tim Oh, you updated it!

I didn't get an envelope notification yet.

9:03 PM

@PopularDemand Ok, I'll onebox it. Many excel answers take some time to figure out how to do something complicated, and testing. This one was worse because he clarified his intent some more and I had to start over. You can see my deleted answer there if you're 10k.

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A: Excel: Concatenate/retrieve cells that are across a merged key cell

This will give you True/False, though you can nest it in an IF statement to get Yes/No. =NOT(ISERROR(VLOOKUP("b",INDIRECT(ADDRESS(MATCH(1,A:A,0),2)&":"&ADDRESS(MATCH(2,A:A,0)-1,2)),1,0))) The variables are "b" which is the letter to look for, the 1 in the first match statement which is...

Uh... + another 1.

There are a few more icons floating about by the way. I had the sense to actually look in the extension JAR, heh. I'm not sure how to make the remaining ones come up yet.

@Tim Extension JAR!

Where's that?

I was thinking of reading the source earlier today, but decided it was too much trouble, or at least too much trouble to do while at work.

@AndyEshead That'd be great, but seems pretty hard to implement since accepting is relative to what the OP wants, and not what we think.

@PopularDemand Eclipse/plugins/org.tigris.subversion.subclipse.ui_1.6.13.jar (if you have the latest version from the update site)

9:05 PM

Thank you envelope icon for telling me @PopularDemand replied to me. Thing is, I read that several minutes ago.

Then there's an icons directory.

grumble, grumble, grumble

@LanceRoberts That's the obvious problem :-) But in most high-profile questions, the solution benefits more than the OP and in those cases it's important that the best solution has the most visibility.

@rchern I slipped it a few rep to bug you.

AHA!

ladies and gentlemen, we have a confession!

9:05 PM

I guess most people aren't usually having to deal with the niche tags, where you have to scramble to get just a few votes. Anything over three votes in the Excel or VBA tag is miraculous.

(;

bye all !

Bye @AidenBell

John the Seagull

Everytime I program in VBA I hate Joel a little more

bye @AidenBell

9:08 PM

@JohntheSeagull I just wish they had better documentation, search on MSDN is a horrible experience.

@LanceRoberts Well, I feel the same way in the mod_rewrite tag. I think that your suggestion does have some merit, though I'm also not convinced that it would encourage people to answer questions with no accepted answer, since it's hard to know if the OP for those kinds of questions is just lazy, or what the case may be. Also, I answer those questions despite the badge not existing, so clearly it doesn't motivate me in any way...but maybe for others it would.

@LanceRoberts Wow. I've never seen such a complicated Excel function.

John the Seagull

@Tim mod_rewrite has all its needs covered with Gumbo

@Tim Then in that case it would be a reward. I answer those questions also, hoping to get a few votes towards my tag badge.

@PopularDemand Multiple-hour answer (and I need to go back and fix a few things in it):

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A: mod_rewrite not sending Vary: accept-language when RewriteCond matches

After peeking into the seedy underbelly of Apache's request handling system, it turns out that the documentation is somewhat misleading...But before I get into the explanation, from what I can tell you're at the mercy of Apache on this one. The Client Problem First, the header name will not be ...

9:10 PM

@PopularDemand Yes, trying to do stuff like that in a worksheet function is hard. It's the referencing (self) that's usually the tricky/lengthy part.

@JohntheSeagull Ah, I was going to say that I was ahead of him for the last 30 days count, but that's not the case right now. It's been a work-heavy week :P

@Tim You know, I would've upvoted if all you posted was

> if (!r->assbackwards) {

Hahah

John the Seagull

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Q: What's the formula used to order the starred chats in chat.meta?

The ordering is a function of the age of the chat and the amount of stars. Could the author or somebody on the inside explain the exact formula?

discussion chat

Unrelatedly, a good thing about common 007 movies is that you can jump in at any time without having to understand the plot -- there's always a villain who's going to blow up {x} spectacularly with some sort of timer that goes all the way to cataclysm except at the very last second Bond wakes up and finishes the fish and saves the world.

</ot>

9:15 PM

@JohntheSeagull I'm guessing it's the same as the forumla used for the "hot" tab

@PopularDemand It makes for interesting source code comments too:

   /* We need to special-case the handling of 204 and 304 responses,
     * since they have specific HTTP requirements and do not include a
     * message body.  Note that being assbackwards here is not an option.
     */

@Tim It's true. 402 != 204.

Heh :P

@YiJiang you guess right; I've added a comment to that effect

@LanceRoberts I guess my feeling is that this doesn't "incentivize" anything other than prolific posting and harassing users to accept answers. Answer enough obscure questions, get the authors to accept your answer, and eventually you'll get a cookie.

9:27 PM

@MarcGravell Your comment only points at the hot algorithm page. Doesn't actually say whether a similar algorithm is used for starring, or if you only posted it because it's another ranking algorithm question.

It doesn't encourage you to go back and improve your answers. It doesn't encourage you to try to out-do someone else who's already posted a "good enough" answer (they're competition - you need to find something more obscure!)

Well, life is full of mystery isn't it.

@Shog9 Isn't a desired goal to get people to "Answer enough obscure questions"? We use the cookie for lots of things on SO, maybe this will help get all those obscure questions answered.

@LanceRoberts There are already better, more focused incentives for that though

@MarcGravell As long as it's by design.

9:30 PM

Have a look at this: mozillalabs.com/gaming/2010/10/14/…

Slightly ironic, the post starts with:

> “One thing I know: I don’t want to write a chat app.”

Y'know what's more frustrating than asking an obscure question and not getting an answer?

Asking an obscure question and having some joker post the first answer he found on Google 'cause he's looking to get his stats up.

Yes, thank you very much for not reading my question and thereby trivializing the 30 hours of fruitless research I put in before caving and asking here.

For serious?

> P.S: This question was closed at Programmers.SE . hence, I am asking here.

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Q: How is Linux not prone to viruses, malware and those kinds of things?

I am unable to figure out, how is linux protected against viruses? I am no hacker. It was just out of curiosity that I am asking this question. Thanks in advance. P.S: This question was closed at Programmers.SE . hence, I am asking here.

@PopularDemand mmmh I have something like that seen some days ago on unix.se

Yes, it was closed on P.SE...

doin' fairly well on SU it seems... So that's what SU is for

Heh

9:38 PM

Should've been asked on Unix...

certainly not Programmers of all places.

Who pointed him to SU?

@radp Prog SE mod.

if I were committed to Unix I'd be mad :/

I'm not so I'm just kinda sad.

@Shog9 It's not what SU is for, and you know it. You should apply to be a mod there so you can clean this kind of thing up.

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Q: The myths about viruses in unix/linux

Is it possible for my Linux box to become infected with a virus? I haven't heard of it happening to anyone I know, and I've heard quite a few times that it isn't possible. Is that true? If so, whats up with Linux Anti-Virus software?

but another user

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Q: How is Linux not prone to viruses or that kind?

I am unable to figure out, how is linux protected against viruses? I am no hacker. It was just out of curiosity that I am asking this question. Thanks in advance.

Not by another user.

9:40 PM

@PopularDemand Hmmm... You'd think that these kind of questions would have been asked already, but apparently not

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Q: Should I worry about malware on Linux?

I don't run an antivirus on Linux ( most people I don't AFAIK ) and I'm not at all concerned about any form of malware or spyware or any other_bad_ware. Should I by concerned? Of course I don't run as root.

linux security anti-virus malware

July 2009

stupid topic anyway

it so happens that some assistance in dup finding wouldn't suck after all, eh?

@PopularDemand I would turn it into a recipe exchange. Just for the hell of it.

10:02 PM

@PopularDemand If you read the comments it wasn't the mod who suggested SU

10:37 PM

@Moshe It was gossipville.

@ChrisF "Ask this on SuperUser will help you. – bigown♦"

@PopularDemand and chatmeup.

He wasn't the first one to mention SU, but he agreed.

10:52 PM

Holy shit, MathJax works on Opera Mobile.

It did take a couple of minutes to load the font and whatnot, but...

@radp Heh, nice.

@PopularDemand Didn't expand the comments - sorry. But "Sounds more like a question for superuser.com – Dan Diplo" was the first comment

And the other upvoted comment is from a non mod too

John the Seagull

Poll: what smartphone(s) do you have access to?

none

nokia xpress music something something

11:05 PM

iPhone 4

funnily enoughthe worst part of this mobile is the sound jack.

Blackberry Bold 9700

however it runs basic apps, does no-fuss thetering and connects to enterprise proxied wifis reliably - good enough for me :)

@radp: Is it this one? nokiausa.com/find-products/phones/nokia-5300-xpressmusic

oh, and free navigation too.

no, the 5800

got it for 149E

weird it costs that much in the usa

11:18 PM

@radp: I can't see it being a big seller at $289. Might as well get an iPhone 4 for $10 extra.

NullUserException

11:55 PM

Ugh I've been fired

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

...........

Seriously? That sucks.

NullUserException

The most stupid reason ever

Somehow they found out I discussed about interview questions outside of the company

I mean I briefly mentioned it... WTF

What sucks more is now I have to go through job interviews. Again. GODDAMNIT

What is the password to SO Chat?

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