Ubuntu

George Edison

12:00 AM

Loading Evolution...

Marco Ceppi

Plays more Layton

George Edison

Looking in gconf-editor: apps/evolution/shell/network_config

I see a couple values with 'port' in their name.

Does that help?

They all have <no value>, though.

Jorge Castro

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Q: How can we ensure that first timers are not given the wrong impression

I have seen many times people being down voted for doing something wrong. For example posting an answer that really should have been a comment. Or posting an answer in the style of a forum thread post, offering suggestions to a fix, or requesting more information, without actually answering th...

thoughts?

George Edison

@Jorge: Keep up the good work!

Jorge Castro

\o/

Oh, I noticed flash and flash-player

consolidating the tags now

Marco Ceppi

12:06 AM

that's good. Really it should be Downvote - COMMENT.

Just downvoting really doesn't do anything - and if your reason has already been commented to the OP then upvote that comment.

George Edison

@Jorge: I created a tag synonym: ubuntu.stackexchange.com/tags/flash/synonyms

Do you want me to just approve it?

flash-player => flash

Jorge Castro

I think that makes sense

is the best way to just tell a mod to synonym it or correct the answers themselves?

Marco Ceppi

@GeorgeEdison Approve then do the merge

@JorgeCastro When a synonym is approved it can automatically be merged which will fix all questions within the tags scope

@GeorgeEdison I was able to host:port in the server host field - thanks though!

Jorge Castro

@MarcoCeppi oh I didn't know that

George Edison

@Marco: No problem.

Jorge Castro

12:10 AM

I thought we'd have to go through and manually clean them up

WHEW!

George Edison

I approved the synonym and merged the q's.

Lemme know if I did something wrong...

...this is the first time I merged anything like this :)

Jorge Castro

"We have officially stopped processing uploads & will now begin Ubuntu 10.10 Release Candidate ISO build and test for release this Thursday."

wooo!!!!

speaking of modding, do we have to vote again?

or do we go "you guys are awesome just keep them!"

Marco Ceppi

@GeorgeEdison Looks good - you could also go here: ubuntu.stackexchange.com/admin/merge-tags and just have done it that way. The Synonyms are there for the community to recommend fixes

@JorgeCastro From what I understand there will be another poll after the public release. This time the top voted will be selected as moderators (as opposed to having @Robert choosing) IIRC.

Jorge Castro

how many can there be?

Marco Ceppi

I believe we'll have 3-5

@GeorgeEdison this is why I was asking

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Q: Fetch mail from MSN/Windows Live! in Evolution

I'm trying to sync a Hotmail/Windows Live/MSN email account to Evolution - however I'm unable to do so with both POP and IMAP. If I understand correctly this is because Microsoft blocks all email clients other than Outlook. Is there a way around this?

email evolution

Jorge Castro

12:26 AM

ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1231854

is the best I can find @MarcoCeppi

my only other recommendation is to fire up gmail and import that to gmail. :D

Marco Ceppi

@JorgeCastro It's not for me - newly converted older gentleman.

Jorge Castro

ah

Marco Ceppi

I setup Wubi for him - he's an artist and Windows XP took 5 mintues for iTunes to launch, then he would click "Next" and it would literally take 2 minutes for it to switch.

Jorge Castro

ouch

Marco Ceppi

after a week and half of Rythembox and Ubuntu he called me and said "WIPE MY DRIVE! I WANT UBUNTU" but only if you can get MSN to sync with the mail program

So it's like ACK! so close. I tried Freepops but that's not working

but I'm getting network timeouts trying to get to the pop server with that forums post :\

getting rough

Jorge Castro

12:34 AM

The only problem I've ever had with msn/hotmail is they don't let you forward

it's probably some obscure SSL or TLS setting I bet

plus I am telling you in here so you can post your own answer and get "Self Learner". Heh.

it's all about the badges!

Marco Ceppi

haha, I think I've gotten that badge already...

Well went from can not connect to "Failed to get valid greeting"

people seem to post positive about thunderbird. I might try that. I haven't used it since I switched to Evolution back in 8.04

Jorge Castro

I looked, I didn't see the badge

which is why I posted that forum thread in here

Marco Ceppi

:)

I am a fan of badges and achievements

Going to try IMAP

Jorge Castro

imap should work

probably imaps

Marco Ceppi

yeah, still no go :\

What are your settings (do you use Live!)?

Jorge Castro

12:47 AM

I don't

I only read the ones in that forums thread

Marco Ceppi

gotchya. I don't know why you would want a live account when there's google (hell for you - Ubuntu!)

Jorge Castro

some people have had their email addresses for years

and MSN/hotmail is hard to move off of, they don't let you forward to non MSN accounts!

so you have to not only move to gmail, but set up gmail to imap or pop3 the mails from MSN

Marco Ceppi

`marco@ubuntu:/etc/freepops$ telnet pop3.live.com 995
Trying 65.55.172.253...
Connected to pop3.hot.glbdns.microsoft.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
helo
Connection closed by foreign host.`

everytime I try to connect it gets angry at me

Marco Ceppi

1:03 AM

SNAP!

Got it working.

Jorge Castro

man, I wish the android SE was as active as ours

George Edison

@Marco: I answered your question.

Marco Ceppi

@GeorgeEdison Aw you beat me to it

Jorge Castro

I got nothing: android.stackexchange.com/questions/1141/…

Marco Ceppi

I don't have an Andriod :P

George Edison

1:15 AM

I have the Android emulator installed.

Works for me.. not very portable, though.

:)

Jorge Castro

it's ok, the battery life is so horrible you might as well lug your PC in your pocket

Marco Ceppi

It's because of the persistent data streaming. Between mail, maps, GPS, everything. Wears a battery down

Jorge Castro

yes

but even if you turn all that off it's still pretty bad

I did end up getting that monster battery

so I get about 2 days life now.

plus the stack app on it is nice. Wish the API had write so I could vote from my phone!

Marco Ceppi

So - Looks like this will be an Ubuntu server!

Jorge Castro

\o/

George Edison

1:25 AM

Here is a more final version of what I'm working on: quickmediasolutions.com/stackmail

This has great potential for our site I think.

We can follow (via RSS or email) any questions with any combinations of tags.

Marco Ceppi

Guess it's time to get super involved with debian packaging. Just when I finally get RPMs down :P

George Edison

@Marco: I have a great tutorial for you.

One sec.

Here it is: wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide

:)

Marco Ceppi

I've gotten it that I've automated my Production Git repositories to be able to build RPMs automagically. Hopefully I can do that with deb-build

George Edison

Well, the key command here is debuild.

When run in a properly configured directory, it will produce the package from a folder.

I actually have a shell script for StackApplet that creates: 1. A tar.gz file 2. A DEB package 3. An RPM.

...all from the same directory of source files.

Marco Ceppi

What I like about RPMs is the file transformations are all in the rpm spec file. So I can keep my repository structured (instead of each repository having an /opt/, /usr/, etc) and just build and fly

Are you saying I could potentially do the same with debuild?

George Edison

1:29 AM

* debuild <---- only one 'b'

:P

Here it is: pastebin.com/b59ie4n6

This one doesn't use debuild, just dpkg.

It's not the 'official' way to do it, but it works because StackApplet is just a collection of Python scripts.

Marco Ceppi

none of my stuff needs to be compiled

George Edison

You're good then.

The directory structure needs to be set up a certain way.

Could you use alien to just convert your RPMs?

Marco Ceppi

it's just a collection of scripts and configuration files (like group and sudoers and sshkeys)

That's how I currently do it :)

Build RPM -> convert with alien.

George Edison

That's what I do for RPM

:)

Marco Ceppi

but, I've got to learn to do it the right way - then I can use the shortcuts

Jorge Castro

1:33 AM

your group and sudoers are in packages?

George Edison

K. The 'right way' is to use debuild.

Jorge Castro

you need puppet my friend

then your recipes would all be the same, and you wouldn't have to care if a server is centos or ubuntu

George Edison

Oh, and I highly recommend installing pbuilder.

It's basically a fake filesystem that your app gets built in.

Marco Ceppi

@JorgeCastro A friend of mine at Rackspace recommended I use puppet - but he also loves Ruby like no other so I typically ignore him :P

George Edison

Ruby? Ewwwwwwww.

Jorge Castro

1:36 AM

yeah, I was eeeewwwww at first too

but it saves you so much time I got over it

Marco Ceppi

@GeorgeEdison He and I are always butting each other because I write my commandline tools in Python, Pearl, and PHP - and he uses Ruby

George Edison

I use PHP and Python. I've only ever used Perl twice.

I've got the 'camel book'

Perl is kind-of like GZip compression - saves space, but is often unreadable :)

Marco Ceppi

Ruby is just way too abstract for me. I use it from time to time - but man it gets way too much to wrap around

George Edison

^--- You should star that last quote :)

Marco Ceppi

I suppose I'll have to give Puppet a try

George Edison

1:38 AM

No, no - my Perl quote!

Star that!

Jorge Castro

Ok, both it is! :)

Marco Ceppi

haha, Aw - I was going to try to star every quote but that one :P

George Edison

Meh - too many stars... what were we talking about?

Marco Ceppi

@JorgeCastro wow this looks awesome. I've been using OpenVZ for my virtualization - and been trying to create containers that I could just clone and use. This seems to take that idea and make it shine

George Edison

StackApplet: Unique Users: 695

According to StackApps.

I'm going to have to break down and add AppIndicators one of these days :)

Marco Ceppi

1:45 AM

totally!

George Edison

Anyone know SQL? I need to LEFT JOIN 2 tables.

SELECT table2.column, table3.column FROM table1 LEFT JOIN (table2,table3) ON (table1.xxx = table2.id, table1.yyy = table3.id)

It's not working.....

>:(

Jorge Castro

@GeorgeEdison I didn't know it tracked installs, that's neat

Marco Ceppi

@GeorgeEdison i know SQL

Break your joins up

George Edison

I fixed it! Thanks!

Marco Ceppi

SELECT table2.column, table3.column FROM table1 LEFT JOIN table2 ON table1.xxx = table2.id LEFT JOIN table3 ON table1.yyy = table3.id

Oh cool - good stuff

George Edison

1:54 AM

Since RSS is XML, I should be able to parse it with SimpleXML in PHP?

Looks like I can. We'll see how it works.

It worked!

Here is a preview of the email you can expect to receive from StackMail / Stack2RSS:

quickmediasolutions.com/stack2rss/demo.html

Marco Ceppi

2:24 AM

Cool!

George Edison

Here's how it works: people submit feeds that do cool things and other people then subscribe to them.

Then they get an email every day with the results of that feed.

Marco Ceppi

why not just use an RSS Reader?

George Edison

You can do that too.

The best part? The feeds are entered with special variables that allow flexibility.

Marco Ceppi

It's like RSS to listserv

George Edison

So you use $site instead of specifying one.

Then the user specifies one when subscribing.

...and you can vote for your favorite feeds.

Marco Ceppi

2:29 AM

cool

George Edison

Will this help Ubuntu S.E.?

I'm hoping it will.

George Edison

3:24 AM

There. I added an option to subscribe either by RSS feed or by email.

The email script is just a PHP file that gets run as a cron job every 24 hours.

It basically just fetches the feed and formats it into an email.

I've kind of got the names mixed up now :)

StackMail / Stack2RSS - what have I done!

George Edison

3:47 AM

StackMobile got mentioned on wapreview.com!

2

wapreview.com/blog/?p=7698

George Edison

4:41 AM

I updated Stack_Base.php to bring it inline with the PEAR standard.

It's ugly!

I'm using phpcs to check the files.

It complains about equals signs that don't line up!!!

George Edison

6:30 AM

There. All the code now complies.

WHEW!

Marco Ceppi

2:14 PM

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Q: Why was question 4389 closed?

This question. As I understand it, it's just a fun question, quite like the apt-get-from-2020 one. I really can't understand why we accept and upvote one, but not the other. Sure it should be a community wiki and no one should gain reputation, but all jokes should be allowed or no one. Maybe it...

discussion closed-questions close-reasons fun

Jorge Castro

heh

I voted down on both

that kind of junk belongs in the forum imo

Marco Ceppi

aw - I think it's a valid question of Why

I'm writing my answer now

"whereas the 2020 question just barely falls in the scope of this site."

I definitely made sure to put that

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A: Why was question 4389 closed?

The question was closed because it was in the opinion of the content being a "baiting-like" nature. Ultimately the Fun-Friday threads on StackOverflow were started because there really is no "Discussion Board" for StackOverflow. However, as Jorge Castro points out in the original Fun-thread-frida...

Jorge Castro

5:40 PM

I am 11 karma away from 2k!

George Edison

Is that like reputation on Ubuntu SE?

I've never been on the forums :)

Marco Ceppi

@GeorgeEdison I think he means reputation :P He's at 1,989

Jorge Castro, Hockeytown, MI

2k 3 16

10.10 10.04 ubuntu-desktop google-chrome unity wireless hardware

Even though the mini-window says 2k :P

George Edison

Oh I get it.

@Marco: Did you see that I PEAR-ized StackPHP?

bazaar.launchpad.net/~stack.php-dev/stackphp/mcdev/files

Marco Ceppi

I heard - but I certainly have not looked at the code

I don't wish to burn my eyes

I don't see it... bazaar.launchpad.net/~stack.php-dev/stackphp/mcdev/annotate/…

George Edison

6:09 PM

Lol.

George Edison

6:25 PM

Here it is!

pear.php.net/pepr/pepr-proposal-show.php?id=647

Jorge Castro

6:43 PM

yeah, I mean reputation

odd, I got the most votes on this answer: ubuntu.stackexchange.com/questions/4625/…

which is an easy one

and the actual hard ones like this one I don't get as much: ubuntu.stackexchange.com/questions/4572/…

I wonder if it's the screenshot

Marco Ceppi

7:08 PM

@JorgeCastro sometimes the simplest problems are the most popular

Jorge Castro

8:01 PM

not much activity today. :(

Jorge Castro

8:15 PM

man, heckuva a day to ask about upstreams, after I hit the rep cap

My answer is part of my job!

Marco Ceppi

8:32 PM

@JorgeCastro ha!

blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/09/new-global-inbox

George Edison

blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/09/new-global-inbox/#comment-50667

George Edison

8:59 PM

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A: How can I change the order of the users in the login screen?

Where is the history stored that this frequency is based on?

Needs to be a comment... what should I do?

Marco Ceppi

9:10 PM

@GeorgeEdison Leave a comment telling them that - then possibly delete the answer (owners can see their deleted answers)

Drinks with work mates! Score!

George Edison

And.. done.

Marco Ceppi

@GeorgeEdison that was kind of...blunt :P

George Edison

Yup. But not rude. Just straight and to the point.

How long 'till my PEAR draft becomes a proposal? :P

Marco Ceppi

You might want to slip in an FAQ link - because people with <50 rep can't actually leave comments

George Edison

Oh yeah......

There.

Jorge Castro

9:26 PM

:( that apt-2020 thread just won't die!

Marco Ceppi

Aw poor @JorgeCastro

It probably should be closed...

Jorge Castro

man, +7 votes on my answer

Marco Ceppi

but no one else has voted to close it

Jorge Castro

but I already hit the rep cap

oh, I forgot I can do that!

Marco Ceppi

I hate hitting the rep cap

@JorgeCastro I think if one or two more people vote to close I'll drop the hammah on it

Jorge Castro

9:31 PM

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A: Why was question 4389 closed?

I don't think those are really good questions, they're probably more appropriate on the Ubuntu forums. (I personally downvoted them both) The FAQ currently says: "This is not a discussion board, this is a place for questions that can be answered!" Maybe we should change that to: "This is not a...

I updated that with a FAQ recommendation

Marco Ceppi

Most fun threads get closed eventually anyways

Rather - get locked*

65

Q: What's your biggest fear as a programmer?

Please note I am NOT looking for answers like "spiders" well I guess depending on the context that could be an acceptable answer.. But you know what I mean. I am looking for answers like "I cannot keep up with an ever changing field" or "That my data gets hacked" Actual f...

fun

as shown here:

stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/fun

I just locked it for now. It's probably not very good to have it go on FOREVER

drinks, see ya guys

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