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I'm trying to garner more interest in Revisiting Optional Explanations for Downvotes (on Questions), so if you think it might be a good idea, or a bad idea, please consider checking it out and voting on it.

Jan Dvorak

@Cupcake you can't force a person to post a useful comment

user163250

@JanDvorak agreed, which is why the comments are optional :/

Jan Dvorak

you can already comment upon commenting

user163250

6:11 AM

@JanDvorak but these comments are anonymous.

Jan Dvorak

why, exactly?

user163250

To protect downvoters from retaliation.

3ventic

People don't comment why they downvote because it causes the OP to dislike them

Jan Dvorak

don't post rude comments, and you won't be downvoted.

user163250

We elect politicians through anonymous votes for the same reason.

user163250

6:13 AM

Oh wait, sorry, I've getting the issues mixed up.

user163250

I'm proposing optional, anonymous explanations for downvotes.

3ventic

@JanDvorak That can be surprisingly hard to do, especially if the OP is not very skilled in English

Jan Dvorak

@3ventic if having anonymous comments removes the motivation to comment politely, we shouldn't have anonymous comments.

3ventic

I agree.

user163250

@3ventic it's not just a matter of being "disliked" though. I personally don't care if someone likes or dislikes me. What I do care about is being able to vote freely and honestly without suffering retaliation, such as harassment.

Jan Dvorak

6:16 AM

@Cupcake then vote freely and honestly, and don't post rude comments

3ventic

When I downvote and the reason is not obvious, I usually wait for a good while between my comment and my vote.

user163250

@3ventic one of the reasons people don't explain downvotes is because they want to remain anonymous. I'm proposing a solution to allow downvoting while simultaneously explaining downvotes to help the original poster, but in a way that's anonymous.

3ventic

@3ventic This keeps me anonymous as a voter while still letting me give feedback

user163250

Ok, thanks for your thoughts guys. I've detailed everything in the question on Meta SO, so please consider voting on it.

user163250

And/or comment, or post an answer.

user163250

6:19 AM

Goodnight! Cupcake, AWAY! :D

Jan Dvorak

I'm expecting dupe-votes soon

SPArchaeologist

7:48 AM

I'm expecting ~~dupe-votes~~ "you whiners" soon

rene

8:02 AM

Anybody who wants to comment here....

-2

A: Where to post an idea in stackoverflow, not as a answer

Use this: Code Review - https://codereview.stackexchange.com/. Or Even you can answers those questions related to SQL tag

Bart

Done @rene

rene

Tnx

borked wifi here

Bart

Am I missing the point of this comment? Is he really suggesting we start using meta-tags?

Mat

You could read it as a suggestion for a tag hierarchy, where [sony] would be a "parent" tag for all Sony-related tags. I don't think they're suggestion actually putting [sony] in the tags.

(Read meta-tag as "meta information", not as the usual meaning we attribute to it here.)

Bart

Myeah @Mat, that might very well be.

Then again typing "sony" into the tag section would already have that effect

If we were to go with a "sony-" solution

Mat

8:18 AM

That works for tagging, doesn't work for search.

> [sony-camera] tag should be tagged [sony]

I understand that as [sony-camera] should have an annotation that it belongs to the [sony] category. Or something.

Bart

@Mat searching for [sony*] would achieve that

smci

@Dukeling @femtoRgon @Harry Johnston @RBarryYoung : join me here and let's discuss meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/253539/… . First, read my revised description of the 4/5 use-cases to which series is currently applied. I added lots more detail to answer your questions/disagreements.

Mat

Indeed @Bart, but as an example [qt-*] misses some tags (qt4), and [qt*] picks up unrelated stuff (qtip). (Don't get me wrong: I think the [sony-*] thing works ok, and plain text search for Sony works too. Just trying to find advantages for what I think that person is proposing.)

Bart

Oh yeah, no worries, just pondering here as well. So thanks for the feedback. :)

3ventic

You can search for [qt4] or [qt] or [qt-*] for example

Bart

8:24 AM

Ehm @smci, will that even ping them? And why not invite them into a specific room?

smci

8:41 AM

@Bart: I don't know, I'm new to Tavern on the Meta. But look at how obnoxious the comment threads on my question became - if you (or others) have any meta-meta-advice on how to further that discussion, please tell...

Mat

@Harry Johnston: are you following this discussion? We're not talking about some obscure crappy VB class, I explicitly said of course that wouldn't deserve a tag. We're talking about the general concept and implementation of a Series, which occurs in at least 9 major programming languages (although the implementations differ). In case you don't know it, Series and DataFrame are two essential concepts in data-processing languages like R and Python/pandas - and that's why the tag should be language-agnostic, at least between R/Python/Matlab. Ok? — smci 3 hours ago

@smci: If you don't want a discussion to derail, don't start the flame.

The first part of that comment is "rude". The tone of the rest is very defensive/aggressive (not sure how to say that).

Andrew T.

9:11 AM

whoa... incoming wave of new VLQ Android questions...

I guess I have to take a break from android first before I go rage..

Bart

cv-pls-duplicate stackoverflow.com/questions/23489527

smci

@Mat: Reread how he behaved in that thread. He comes to the discussion 24hrs after everyone else, repeatedly reasks questions which had already been already addressed and answered the day before (in detail, with references, and code example). Then he ignores those answers and keeps asking them again. And again, even after I answer him yet again. And then makes some disparaging remarks indicating he hasn't even read the answer. How do you handle such behavior?

Bart

You shrug and take another sip of your coffee.

Mat

9:28 AM

@smci: I just looked at the comment thread under the question. I read that he makes a remark, then asks a question, then you pounce on him full-force.

(Then I stop reading because what follows that usually involves people getting defensive and stopping listening to each other.)

rene

@Bart does it need a downvote as well?

Bart

Meh, it needs to be closed. That's all I care about.

It's a new user, unaware until now. Nuking him into the ground might not be necessary ..... am I getting soft?

rene

Yes...

A close vote it is...

smci

9:49 AM

@Mat: wrong, you totally misunderstood the sequence of what happened. I started the topic >24 hours earlier by noting specifically that the obscure language-specific reference to .NET in the current (really awful) definition of series was totally misguided, and was not explaining the (multiple) use-cases of 'series'.

A fairly low-quality discussion continues - ill-informed, and getting more aggressive, borderline flames from several people. I stay calm and respond politely with fact-based arguments to all this stuff. Generally they ignore the facts and citations, and keep coming back with disparaging remarks. (Look at RBarryYoung's comments. Unbelievable.)

Then a day later, HJ decides to enter the discussion, without reading it, or understanding what it's about, and finally tries to insist to me the complete opposite of what I already stated in graphical detail: "It's not immediately obvious to me that (obscure .NET class) is important enough to have a tag at all, but if it does it should perhaps be more specifically named." That had been my whole point - that the definition of 'series' is precisely not some obscure .NET class.

But I'd already written this for him and others multiple times, so he was now derailing things. Not me. So how do you two (@rene @Bart) deal with a pile-on of people who respond to factual replies with more and more flaming? I was actually soliciting useful comment from people who have basic familiarity with the topic. And don't vote-to-close me to punish me for their behavior. If you can't help the discussion, please stop damaging it.

Bart

23 mins ago, by Bart

You shrug and take another sip of your coffee.

Mat

@smci: WRONG!!!!! REREAD MY CHAT MESSAGES!!!! YOU MORNO GERGRZEERER YYYYYYAAAAA!!!

Please keep cool. I didn't analyze that whole post.

You asked "why did this comment thread derail"

I read the comment thread. My opinion, reading that comment thread, is that it got derailed by you.

If that other person missed the point completely, politely point it out or leave it be.

smci

(Bart:) Be assured, the rate of shrugging and coffee-sipping is high. I actually want a useful discussion on the topic I started, and in order to do that the people wrecking that discussion will need to stop wrecking it, or improve their tone, or just stop flaming, or just stop repeating counterfactual remarks until people who do understand the topic join in.

Bart

Myeah, good luck with that.

smci

Bart: do you have any constructive response at all, other than sarcasm or votes-to-close? Seems not.

SPArchaeologist

10:02 AM

Now THAT is a cover....

smci

10:20 AM

@Mat: the chronology disproves what you said. Look at the (deleted) flagged comments that were already appearing on Monday. I was getting flamed and insulted by a bunch of people - the more I patiently explained, the more obnoxious they were getting. I had explained that the stupid tag was not 'about obscure VB class' countless times over. I explained it again to HJ.

I'm tired of meta-meta-meta-discussion, and I don't appreciate that you, rene and Bart can't give any constructive advice. Why don't one of you three go shepherd that discussion, and I'll sit here and make sarcastic remarks at people who ask me for advice?

Mat

@smci: look at the (deleted) flagged comments I'm not a mod anywhere, how could I do that exactly?

Anyway, status-hunting-for-food, cya

Bart

Bring me some @Mat

smci

Ok you're not a mod, but take my word for it some remarks were getting out of hand. Bye. If you care (later) to give advice about how to handle unruly crowds, please do. I'm asking you guys because you have more experience at these things - I don't.

Louis

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/23491355/…

This guy pretty much took a blog post about gitflow and regurgitated it as a "question" but his "question" is not a question. I've voted to close as "unclear what you're asking" (seeing as there is no damn question there).

smci

Whatever @Bart

Bart

10:37 AM

Okay, here goes @smci. Reading through the comments on that question I see one problem. You. You're the one immediately getting confrontational. You're the one whose tone is aggressive, confrontational and potentially demeaning. You are escalating a situation that didn't need to go there at all. If anything is derailing it, it's you. A simply response to genuine comment from genuinely interested users would have sufficed.

That is how I read the post and the comments that are present. You can take the discussion to chat all you want, but with the attitude on display there, a constructive discussion seems unlikely. ... so, there you go. That's my constructive response. Do with it what you want.

rene

@Louis OP deleted...

Louis

@rene Yeah, I've just noticed and came back here to see if someone else noticed too. (Volume was off so I did not year the notification from your ping.)

rene

Maybe he did so due to my downvote...

Louis

Your downvote was like a revelation from heaven to this OP.

michaelb958

@Louis You calling this room heaven?! We are no such thing!!

2

Louis

10:51 AM

cv-pls-off-site-resource stackoverflow.com/questions/23491903/…

@michaelb958 Yeah, I know this room is not heaven. It's more like purgatory.

rene

@Louis cv-ed and left a conment...

Louis

@rene Useful comment.

Bart

11:23 AM

Say @rene, are you a Unity user?

rene

No, why do you ask?

Bart

Because I see more and more edits from you and just bumped into comments from you on a question

But I guess it's the C#/.Net side that gets you there then

rene

Yeah, that might be it. If I do something not useful let me know...

Bart

Ha :)

smci

11:38 AM

@Bart: No, you can see from the edit log I'd been patiently answering the same questions for about 24hrs combined with increasing levels of abuse (if you can't see flagged or deleted comments, then you don't know how the conversation went, so it's pointless to speculate on the basis of the subset that's still standing). The more citations I patiently added and revised in the question, the less informed and more obnoxious their questioning got. Check out the deleted comments by RBY.

Bart

Once again, we're not moderators, we can't.

smci

^ "Reading through the comments on that question I see one problem." Hello? You understand that there were multiple flames at me from other people, the more non-confrontationally I replied with fact-based posts? So your correct response should be "I can't know who the problem was in the discussion, because I can't see the deleted bits". Not "there is only one problem and it's you". If you don't know the answer to a question, then say "I don't know". Don't start speculating.

rene

@smci can you please tone it down a little bit?

Bart

@smci if you don't want our response based on the information we have, stop prodding us for it. Create a dedicated chat room to have your discussion with those involved, and then do whatever you like.

smci

12:13 PM

I do want your response, but speculation is not a response. I thought you were mostly moderators and could see deleted posts, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered asking. It seems pretty self-evident that if there were multiple other posters posting multiple flames at me, and those got deleted, and my posts didn't, that the moderators determined that the other people were behaving really badly, over an entire day. (They were pretty obnoxious).

And I was asking specific constructive comment from any of you how to prevent a question being hijacked like that by an entire group of people - I didn't invite any of them, and most of them don't understand the topic. The answer to that has nothing to do with blaming me. "We don't know, and we don't have any constructive advice".

Andy

@smci I'm not sure where you are seeing the 'flames'. The questions and comments seem pretty civil with genuine remarks. If anything, yours come off as abrasive.

smci

(If someone can tell me how to get a couple of moderators' opinion, that would be helpful)

Andy

I see no hijacking. I see attempts to clarify

Bart

^^ that

As for opinions from a moderator, you might simply have to wait until one comes here.

smci

@Andy: 1) What didn't get deleted seems civil, since there were several other comments by those same posters deleted. Obnoxious and unhelpful ones. 2) HJ's remarks are not constructive, since he repeatedly asked questions that had already been answered, and I pointed it out to him. If you were able to look at the multiple revisions of the question, you can see that. I put tons of information into it.

Goodnight all.

rene

12:34 PM

Unless this user is blind it is a troll:

Where do I find that searchbox ? — dragosb 8 mins ago

Bart

That's not necessarily mutually exclusive

Andy

@rene I'm waiting for the "What's a circle?" response with anticipation

Bart

What's red?

SPArchaeologist

@Andy "I would point out that that red line is not closed, so it can't be considered a circle. Since no "circle" was found in the message I rest my trolling case"

Circle

A circle is a simple shape of Euclidean geometry that is the set of all points in a plane that are at a given distance from a given point, the centre. The distance between any of the points and the centre is called the radius. It can also be defined as the locus of a point equidistant from a fixed point. A circle is a simple closed curve which divides the plane into two regions: an interior and an exterior. In everyday use, the term "circle" may be used interchangeably to refer to either the boundary of the figure, or to the whole figure including its interior; in strict technical usag...

^_^

demongolem

1:23 PM

Is meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/253419/… on SO only or is it a bug across sites?

Braiam

@demongolem IMO is a well known bug...

demongolem

@Braiam Well as glaring as it is, why hasn't it been fixed?

Maybe not enough people do edits when reviewing low quality posts to complain about it?

Braiam

apparently

GnomeSlice

Today's Listening: Glitch Hop

Bart

yay

GnomeSlice

1:50 PM

(removed)

(added)

(barted)

(banned)

@Braiam not sure if positive or ...

Zaralynda

3:14 PM

how can I get more help with my question? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/230793/…

Bart

Your edit just now will bump it

... ehm, how did you log in here @Zaralynda?

Zaralynda

for some reason chat.meta.stackexchange works, but chat.stackexchange doesn't

Bart

Ah, those are different servers I think.

Hey @balpha, that's something you deal with? ^^^

balpha

works for me

Zaralynda

been having this problem for over a week now

cleared cache and still not working

Louis

3:20 PM

I vaguely recall having had a similar issue at shortly after the split... lemme check if I can find a comment of mine about it.

Bart

Can't repro it either.

rene

Hmm, let me retry to repro...hold on

Zaralynda

running Windows 7 service pack 1 IE 8

rene

the vpc is booted..hold on...

Louis

I found my comment. It was a different problem. I kept being redirected from chat.meta.stackexchange.com to chat.stackexchange.com.

Bart

3:27 PM

... haha, what was that?

Ah, your test?

rene

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 1 min ago, by rene

test for login problem..

copy from vpc is borked...

so sorry for that :-)

@Zaralynda I can't login directly, but if I login first on stackexchange.com and the enter chat.stackexchange.com on the url I get logged in.

Zaralynda

I'm not getting logged in automatically on chat.stackexchange.com, so I hit the login button on the top right

and it stalls

Bart

Those two points in the answer explained pretty well :) — Batty 1 hour ago

^^ Dangit, that was not what I hoped to achieve with the answer

That must be the most sad MSE question I've ever asked

rene

I'm more than happy to keep that memory alive...

Bart

rene

3:35 PM

tralalalalala

@Zaralynda it stalls on a javascript error: MozWebsocket is undefined

Zaralynda

@rene I don't know what that means

rene

Try this: first visit: https://stackexchange.com/users/login and make sure you are logged in.

Zaralynda

@rene I am logged in

rene

Now type in the adressbar http://chat.stackexchange.com

TGMCians

hey everyone !

Zaralynda

3:42 PM

it doesn't automatically log me in, there's a log in button on the top right

rene

@Zaralynda Click that

@TGMCians \o

Bart

Hiya @TGMCians

and @Undo

Undo

hi

Zaralynda

@rene I'm at the page that stalls that I screenshotted in my question

TGMCians

Hey Bart !

rene

3:51 PM

@Zaralynda Final try: In the browser hit F12, Menu > Cache > Click all the clear options and after that select 'Always Refresh from server'

then retry to load chat.stackexchange.com

Zaralynda

@rene still no auto login from chat.stackexchange.com, and stalling on the login button

@rene thanks so much for your help though

rene

Is that browser restricted maybe by a policy?

Zaralynda

I'm not sure what you're asking? I can't install another browser b/c I don't have admin privs on this machine

rene

You are in a corperate setting?

Zaralynda

yes

on my home machine I have no issues, but I can use modern browsers!

rene

4:00 PM

Can you add sites to the trusted sites list under tools|options|security?

Zaralynda

yes, I'll try that

oh, they must have just recently locked that setting, I don't have access to it anymore

grrrr

rene

I would enter a support ticket...

Mat

status-denied

^ what I would get entering such a ticket for a chat site

Zaralynda

how do you enter a support ticket?

rene

I mean at your company

Zaralynda

4:07 PM

OH

ha, yeah, that's not going to go over well

rene

sorry if I've got you fired :-)

Zaralynda

thanks so much for your help though, perhaps it'll just randomly fix itself the way it randomly broke

rene

np

Undo

4:29 PM

0

Q: Remove redundant text from the text containing redundancy on the election page

I was voting in the Super User election, and noticed this in the sidebar: Each community member has 3 votes. Please cast your votes in order of preference, starting with the most desirable candidate first. It bugs me that this says 'starting...first'. Could we instead have it say: Each ...

Pëkka

And the prize for best question of the day goes to -

0

Q: Posting on Wordpress Development or on Stack Overflow

Should I post Wordpress questions on Stack Overflow or on Wordpress Development.

rofl

lol

haha

:-P

4:34 PM

We need a grammar nazi hat next year.

rene

How do you earn that hat?

Amal Murali

-2

Q: IS there any developer who knows how to convert style.css to stype.php?

to reduce the loading time of the of a site we need to compress our long css. we saw there are a lot of current wordpress theme where style.php is used for the css.

php html5 css3 php-5.3 designer

Can't beat this one.

rene

just rename the file?

That would be the answer of the day

TGMCians

rain of downvotes — user790454 15 secs ago

lol

Undo

'rain of downvotes' == 'you just got taverned'

Amal Murali

4:39 PM

Okay, while there are people here, let me ask a question :-P

Should this question be made CW?

Louis

cv-pls-too-broad stackoverflow.com/questions/23497617/…

I've selected "too broad" because this question contains what really amounts to 3 independent questions, but I could easily see other reasons being used.

@AmalMurali I don't know what the reasons that govern CW are... so I'll have to say I don't know.

Anna Lear

@AmalMurali why do you think it might need to be CW'd?

Amal Murali

With all respect, this seems like one of the biggest 'rep-whoring' posts I've seen in a while - I appreciate the suggestions, and a canonical question is great and all, but based upon the values as I write this, you've garnered +280 rep out of this thus far, with a suggestion to link every other question to the canonical one you created. I would anticipate you're going to get a lot more rep because of that... — Robert H 20 hours ago

I prefer to see answers on them posted as community wikis though since they are pretty much the definition of a CW. — Jeroen Vannevel May 3 at 15:41

Mat

@Amal Murali: play flag roulette! Depending on what mod handles it, it might, or might not, get converted.

Undo

Be the tool.

Anna Lear

4:45 PM

Heh. "Oh no someone is getting rep from a good question" is not and has never been a reason to convert something to CW.

Amal Murali

@AnnaLear I'm not really sure. Should it be CW? I don't think that Q&A pair needs much community efforts to be maintained.

Anna Lear

@AmalMurali I agree with you. CW would be inappropriate in this case.

Undo

Blog - Stack Exchange: Putting the Community back in Wiki

Grace Note on April 22, 2014

Ever seen this diagram?

That’s the visual elevator pitch for Stack Exchange. We were the little dot in the middle, a potent mix of useful traits from other tools, a wiry mutt full of hybrid vigor. The purpose of this blend was to allow and encourage the construction of a library of solutions, by providing communities with the tools they needed to share their experiences and challenges with others who might struggle with the same issues.

The diagram illustrated where we stole drew inspiration for the design of those tools, and their influence occasionally shows up in the results. Sometimes, …

Amal Murali

@AnnaLear The question got -4 and the answer got -3. I'm not sure why though. Probably these are people who dislike the post not being CW.

Undo

... or they dislike something else about it?

People vote for ~~odd~~ interesting reasons.

Amal Murali

4:50 PM

Hmm, I don't know. Maybe they dislike the question as a whole. One of the comments indicated that:

> Actually, I don't understand why post new thread about this issue. It was discussed many times ago. It has many answers (so they can be used as canonical anwers as well).

Anna Lear

"Oh no, someone is getting rep from a post" is not and has never been a reason to convert something to community wiki. (cc @RobertH) If it turns out that the canonical question and the answer are being continuously maintained by multiple people, we can think about flipping the switch. In the meantime, calling people rep whores for posting what is objectively good, well-intentioned, and well-written content is, at best, counterproductive. — Anna Lear ♦ 7 secs ago

4

Amal Murali

@AnnaLear ♥

rene

+1 from me, Anna

Bart

@Undo Are we turning into the C++ Lounge now?

Louis

cv-pls-duplicate stackoverflow.com/questions/23497551/…

Repost by OP, actually.

Undo

5:00 PM

@Bart I hope not. But if so, promise me that we won't change our room name.

'lounge of unhappiness on a meta thing'

Anna Lear

Lounge<LOL>

Amal Murali

5:45 PM

I wonder what'd happen if I flag this comment as "Not constructive":

Ah, the word accepting is in the comment. Sheesh. — Robert Harvey ♦ Apr 29 at 17:42

Quoting in backticks makes it immune to to deletion? Or it would still get deleted?

Amal Murali

6:10 PM

My view is meh. — Robert Harvey ♦ Apr 29 at 17:57

Best view evar! :-D

Bart

There should be a button for that inbetween an upvote and downvote. A meh vote

Undo

1hr to Super User diamond-giving

Bart

Ah, they have elections?

Amal Murali

I don't remember if I'd voted or not...

Undo

@Bart superuser.com/election

Bart

6:13 PM

Yeah, I see. Never participated there besides some edits

Haha. I answer my own question once with an answer I really don't think should be the answer, and now it's getting upvotes. Never been that annoyed about upvotes. :D

I could delete it of course

Amal Murali

@Bart Which answer? You deleted it?

Bart

Nah, it's still there

Even after 2 bounties on the question I didn't get any input. So I wrote my own answer hoping to spark something .... but nothing.

Amal Murali

"This user has not answered any questions" — That's what I see on your profile, @Bart.

rene

No Bart, you are not going to delete that answer!

Bart

Ah no, talking about MSE

I might @rene

rene

6:22 PM

I have something cooking for that but it is not ready yet...

Amal Murali

Which answer are you guys talking about?

It's a secret

brb

Ha! Found it!

DAMN YOU!!

Maybe I'll edit the answer into something else and get into a rollback war with myself

Amal Murali

6:28 PM

@Bart Now I'm just going to upvote that to irritate you!

Bart

demongolem

Is there any way to help out stackoverflow.com/questions/23501227/…? So long, so ill-formatted ....

Amal Murali

Whoa. SO just got a new interface?

Anna Lear

14

Q: Profile Page Makeover, Part 2: the Prototype

Wow, that took longer than expected (though right around the 6-8 week mark), but we finally have a semi-working prototype of the new profile page. Recap There’s a longer explanation on part 1 but the gist of it is this: we’re splitting the profile into two pages: An “About Me” page which is w...

discussion featured profile-page feedback

demongolem

@AmalMurali That is cool

TGMCians

6:34 PM

that's nice

Bart

Dangit, I got to get myself a pair of those high-res glasses

Hmm, why not simply "X posts Y% of posts"?

Amal Murali

Dang, that is sexy!

demongolem

How are those tags arranged on the new page? My second and third place ones are at the bottom?

Amal Murali

LOL, I tried to visit this question "What's with the unicorns?"

Bart

@demongolem wow, I can't even make that a code block because that makes it too many character

demongolem

6:59 PM

@Bart I tried too and I noticed that editing put it over the char limit

Amal Murali

8:21 PM

Damn, the site is in read-only mode :-(

3ventic

I like it how the new profile page took my twitter from about me and put it in the sidebar under my website

Amal Murali

Yep, that's cool. But I wonder how the GitHub thingy works though. Is it going to get the profile link from the data we will in? Or maybe something else?

Is the main site chat accessible to y'all? I'm getting the read-only error. But other people seem to be able to chat. Weird :-/

Louis

@AmalMurali I'm able to get into chat on SO. However, I've been unlogged from Meta. No clue why. :-/

Amal Murali

Maintenance. It's always maintenance.

:-P

Louis

Oh, I missed that notice at the top of the page. Silly me.

Amal Murali

8:26 PM

@Louis But how come other people can ask questions?

stackoverflow.com/questions?sort=newest

Louis

@AmalMurali I'm still logged into stackoverflow.com and get no notice there, so I guess people who are in my situation can still ask questions and post answers. However, I'm logged off meta.stackoverflow.com.

Ok, well now I've been kicked out of stackoverflow.com. :-(

Anna Lear

The entire network is in read-only right now.

3ventic

I didn't notice a read-only mode and kept reviewing every few minutes..

Nick Stauner

@AmalMurali Wheel of Blame says, "It's The Server's fault!"

3ventic

8:42 PM

oh, so now it goes to read-only mode for me

Nick Stauner

8:53 PM

@blunders was locked and loaded with a feature request for as soon as it ended...I like those tactics:

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Q: Read-only mode status message, Request to add links to official status pages

When the site is in read-only mode, I get a message like this: This site is currently in read-only mode. Would it be possible to update that message to provide a link to these to resources on SE's status: twitter.com/StackStatus: Official SE tweets on SE's status. stackstatus.net: Officia...

feature-request stackexchange read-only

rene

9:26 PM

This amazes me every time: Oh, yeah, forgot that I also had 3 deleted questions... Come on!

jadarnel27

9:43 PM

All brown posts are currently in read-only mode.

TheDoctor

Hello --time-travelling doge

Bart

@rene "I deleted it. They will never know!! ... What, you can still see them?"

@jadarnel27 I'm looking forward to the day where the status message will read "All posts are currently brown".

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michaelb958

10:04 PM

@rene Yep, most annoying thing ever. It's like, how do you forget about that time you got downvote-smashed into oblivion and depression?

Bart

Alcohol @michaelb958

michaelb958

@Bart Might work... The one time it happened to me, I dealt with it by taking a few days off, then treating it as My Greatest Failure™ afterwards.

jadarnel27

@Bart I too look forward to that day =)

Bart

wow, OK i did a misstake due to my kid who played around in my knee and i didn't even have time to correct it before all the flames! — PeterK 15 mins ago

That almost makes me want to upvote

Amal Murali

Isn't this what a personal blog is for? Or a community Wiki? If newcomer pulled this stunt he'd be drubbed off SO in a heartbeat. — Mark0978 40 mins ago

lolwut

Bart

10:18 PM

FOR SHAME @AmalMurali

Amal Murali

not sure what that's supposed to mean lol :D

Bart

Oh sure. Keep posting more upvoted and welcomed self-answered contributions like that and you'll see what happens .... hmm, my threats lack something ...

Amal Murali

The downvotes make me sad :-(

Bart

What I do in such a case to lift my spirits is creating a whole bunch of sockpuppets and pretending to be an Indian hacker team.

Amal Murali

lol

Bart

10:27 PM

I stopped when I realized they might actually comply and make me a moderator. It's all fun and games until someone gets hurt.

Amal Murali

10:39 PM

Seems like an easy way to get reputation points, this is called rep-whoring on Meta, but taken to a whole new level in this case. In the last 3 days, this one question has racked up 287 rep points (provided I didn't miss some). Reference question means nothing on SO. It's a made up term. — Mark0978 35 secs ago

sigh

I think it just needs to be CW. Or else people wouldn't stop complaining.

Bart

And then you visit the profile and you see it's a 50 year old guy concerned about rep whoring .... wisdom comes with age.

3ventic

@AmalMurali tbh, reference questions should be CW

Amal Murali

@3ventic What about this?

3ventic

I don't see how that's special

Amal Murali

Or this.

3ventic

10:44 PM

But bear in mind that I don't use SO

Well, I read it when googling for answers, but I don't usually contribute to it.

Anna Lear

@3ventic how do you figure?

Bart

@AmalMurali I'd just get the off-topic comments nuked at some point if I were you

3ventic

To me, they are (or should be) a collective effort by the community

Bart

That's all. If you get rep for a valuable contribution .... I don't really see the issue @AmalMurali

Amal Murali

@Bart Erm, how?

Anna Lear

10:47 PM

@3ventic If that's the case, sure. however, preemptive conversion doesn't do anybody any good.

Bart

A flag @AmalMurali

3ventic

You're right.

I need to go though, 2 AM means it's time to sleep.

michaelb958

I'm already flagging those comments. FLAG ALL THE THINGS

Amal Murali

@3ventic 4:17 AM means what? :-D

3ventic

@AmalMurali You already slept and have an early wake up, hopefully.

Anna Lear

10:48 PM

I'll take care of the comments on that post in a moment.

3ventic

(And this comes from someone who went to bed at 5 AM the last 3 days in a row and woke up at like 7 or 8..)

But tonight I'm going to get proper sleep.

Bart

Thanks @AnnaLear

Amal Murali

Honestly, I don't care about the rep that much. If I simply wanted to earn rep, I could just post answers like "Use backticks bro" and get 10+ upvotes in a sec.

Braiam

heh, just 20 secs

Bart

@AmalMurali ha, I should totally try that

Amal Murali

10:51 PM

Yeah. For example, take a look at this search query.

michaelb958

@Braiam Flag... all the things?

Bart

Anyway, I've caused enough harm to the network today. Time for some sleep. Cya

Anna Lear

Moderator note: if you have a problem with this question, think it should be "community wiki", and so on, please visit meta. Note, however, that self-answering questions and the resulting reputation gain (assuming the quality is there) is a feature, and removing reputation gain is not and has never been the goal of community wiki. — Anna Lear ♦ 6 secs ago

Amal Murali

@Bart Night!

Stilly.stack

OMG... Please don't redesign the profile page... stackoverflow.com/users/reloaded/34397/slaks it looks bad ... keep it like it is , no changes please

Anna Lear

10:53 PM

@Stilly.stack Post your feedback on meta :)

Amal Murali

@Stilly.stack But... it looks so nice!

Braiam

meh, we have selfanswered in AU/UL that got more reputation that silly SO Q's

Anna Lear

The way I see it... the second I get jealous of someone else's rep gain, it's a sign that maybe I should spend more time asking/answering questions instead of worrying about what others are doing.

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Rep inflation, fraud, etc. can definitely be a problem. Rep "whoring"? Meh. Oh noes, someone used the site as intended and got reputation for it. Stop the presses!

Braiam

arg! Y U SO INTELLIGENT @Anna?

michaelb958

Three stars in 40 seconds. Not bad.

Amal Murali

10:55 PM

★ everything!

Anna Lear

@Braiam Don't get used to it. ;)

Stilly.stack

i hope this is an acceptable answer

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