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Nick Craver

2:00 PM

He has no idea what he's talking about ^

reikyoushin

@3ventic but there are none right now, right? i was just gonna ask if they've got any news from a feat-req i posted..

3ventic

@NickCraver This has been proven time and again.

I know when someone's working for SE though

But I have no idea what their actual job description is

jmac

@reikyoushin I just talked to the dev team. They said it is in the queue but they should get around to reviewing it in 6 to 8 weeks. They thank you for your patience in this matter.

Shadow Wizard

@reikyoushin Nick is one of the dev team, what do you want exactly?

jmac

> Disclaimer: the above is totally untrue and should not be construed as anything resembling the truth. Chances are someone has already read over it, but that they haven't figured out what to do with it yet. Things sometimes take a while, but if you let us know which question it is, it may get more eyes. Also consider putting a bounty on it.

reikyoushin

2:06 PM

@ShadowWizard this.. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/215522/…

if there is any news bout it.. cuz, there are no answers/comments from devs so i dunno what happened.. :)

Shadow Wizard

Ask Nick, don't be shy :)

Tim Post is also one of the team and he did post a comment

jmac

@Nick, could you please protect this question? With the best intentions, Yannis decided to reddit it which will quite possibly overwhelm our poor community moderation.

reikyoushin

@ShadowWizard is he a dev too? i know he's a mod though..

3ventic

@reikyoushin Community Manager, if I'm not mistaken

Shadow Wizard

@reikyoushin he is community manager... not a web developer but you can say that he takes part in what the devs are actually doing

jmac

2:09 PM

@reikyoushin For reference, most feature-request on Meta do not get comments/answers from devs. Many get put off for years before being decided or commented on, some just get slapped with a [status-declined], and even ones that get handled quickly take more than a week.

See six to eight weeks

Shadow Wizard

@jmac true, but that one is more of a bug

anyway, I think that until https is complete we can't expect it to be done

Duncan

Same applies though, IME. I sure it will be addressed soon enough.

reikyoushin

oh well, i'll just wait (until i remember it again). thanks guys!

3ventic

https is very close to being done, though

Shadow Wizard

So just watch over the below question until it's [status-completed]

95

Q: Better HTTPS support for Stack Exchange sites

So it looks like Stack Exchange now supports HTTPS (to some extent). Which is awesome! But there are a few problems: The certificate is for *.stackexchange.com, which causes browsers to throw all kinds of ugly errors when you access a different domain, eg: https://stackoverflow.com https://su...

3ventic

2:11 PM

at least that's what it looks like.

Shadow Wizard

@3ventic true, they make great progress so far :)

jmac

Thanks @Nick! Appreciated.

3ventic

I used https only for a while

only the top bar links didn't turn into https (and they are a bit hard to change with a userscript too)

other than that and site metas, everything worked fine

because *.stackexchange.com doesn't match meta.*.stackexchange.com...

Nick Craver

The assumption that valid cert === we fully support HTTPS is baffling to me, in some ways that extension does more harm than good

3ventic

@NickCraver What's left besides external libraries like mathjax and site-metas?

I'm usually forgetting something

Nick Craver

2:15 PM

everything users submit

Tim Stone

@NickCraver I can only assume no one really looked into it before adding the rule for the network.

Nick Craver

@TimStone there's a rule whitelist? holy hell I thought it was just checking, yes we should be removed

Tim Stone

@3ventic Images added to posts, regexes that assume http://, etc.

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A: Can't login with Stack Exchange OpenID when HTTPS-Everywhere plugin is active - apparent protocol mismatch

I can't say I found out exactly what is wrong, but I think I've found out how to fix the immediate error. Go into the HTTPS Everywhere "Enable / Disable Rules" dialog (in Firefox, this is done through Tools -> HTTPS Everywhere -> Enable / Disable Rules; apparently, in Chrome you click the blue ...

3ventic

images is a matter of "if it's imgur, use https, if not, display a link instead"

Duncan

Am I missing something... why is this answer so highly up-voted? It doesn't address the question at all...

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A: Better HTTPS support for Stack Exchange sites

HTTPS should be universal. There is no excuse. There's no argument against that. Recent revelations about the blanket surveillance conducted by intelligence agencies (NSA's Prism in the USA, GCHQ's Tempora in the UK) make it clear why. (The draft specification of HTTP 2.0 actually mandates trans...

Nick Craver

2:19 PM

youtube videos, copyrights on images (can we proxy, should we proxy?), embeds (chat has tons of one-boxing). What about existing images, links, not? Wildcards can't match 2 levels (since some jackass registered *.*.com and ruined it for everyone, foo.*.bar.com is explicitly forbidden as well). Also moving every meta isn't a completely trivial matter, for that to work we have to change how cookies work, which means gaming.meta.stackexchange.com would no longer inherit the cookie

jmac

@reikyoushin Ah, also for reference, the devs usually view chat as incredibly low priority, so if your question is about chat, it has an even smaller chance of getting fixed.

Nick Craver

We have to have a shared stackexchange.com login cookie to actually move meta, again not a small change, there's quite a bit to do....and that's just on the Q&A side

jmac

(wait, isn't Tim Post a dev? He commented on it the day it was released!)

3ventic

I just realized how meta.gaming.stackexchange.com makes it sound like it's an SE site about metagaming.

jmac

@3ventic "Well I know that SE Devs have a THACO of 17, and my AC is -4 thanks to my suspenders of protection, so I think I will taunt them since I know they can't hurt me."

3ventic

2:22 PM

I didn't understand any of that.

Nick Craver

@jmac his role is community manager, but has the dev/sysadmin skillzzz which is very handy

jmac

Community manager, eh? That explains a lot actually.

Yannis

@NickCraver Thanks for taking care of that workplace question. Didn't expect the non answers to appear so quickly after I reddited it, I usually check back after an hour or so, and flag if I spot any problems.

Tim Stone

@NickCraver They committed the ruleset on April 1, 2012. ...I guess that's kind of an April Fool's joke.

3ventic

What's the reason links are restricted to http(s)/ftp protocols?

Shadow Wizard

2:36 PM

@3ventic what do you mean?

3ventic

That I can't link like [this](steam://friends/list)

because the protocol isn't whitelisted

jmac

@3ventic Pretty sure you're totally right!

3ventic

lol

jmac

(I could have sworn I saw someone have one that was like bob.bob.bob or somesuch, they must have preceded it with http:// i s'pose)

3ventic

but it's kind of pointless, because I can still do something like this (the same link as above)

invalid steam link though

jmac

2:41 PM

What the heck is this steam protocol thingie anyway?

3ventic

It's something that can be used to control Steam

jmac

Even water is on the internet now?

Steam

Steam is the technical term for water vapor, the gaseous phase of water, which is formed when water boils. Technically speaking, in terms of the chemistry and physics, steam is invisible and cannot be seen; however, in common language it is often used to refer to the visible mist of water droplets formed as this water vapor condenses in the presence of (cooler) air. At lower pressures, such as in the upper atmosphere or at the top of high mountains water boils at a lower temperature than the nominal at standard temperature and pressure. If heated further it becomes superheated steam. T...

3ventic

Steam (software)

Steam is a digital distribution, digital rights management, multiplayer, and communications platform developed by Valve Corporation. It is used to distribute games and related media online, from small independent developers to larger software houses. In October 2012, Valve expanded the service to include non-gaming software. Steam provides the user with installation and automatic management of software across multiple computers, as well as community features such as friends lists and groups, cloud saving, and in-game voice and chat functionality. The software provides a freely availab...

jmac

Oh, I actually think I have that installed. I feel kind of sheepish.

I blame age.

3ventic

but it applies just as well to links to start Teamspeak3 for example: resources.3ventic.eu/r/ts3server/3ventic.eu

Shadow Wizard

2:43 PM

I agree with whitelisting protocols, no need for steam or utorrent links in Stack Overflow

3ventic

@ShadowWizard The point is that it just drives people to use redirection services instead, where the browser won't tell you the real link, but the http address instead.

jmac

I think it probably makes most people think, "Do I really want to go through the trouble of posting it?" to which the answer for most folks is "No"

Shadow Wizard

@3ventic I think strong point is prevent abuse

@Nick you still here?

3ventic

Stack Overflow probably doesn't benefit from them, but in an answer to a Steam question, a Steam link might be very useful.

Shadow Wizard

@3ventic well, maybe it can be white listed on arqade then :)

Tim Stone

2:50 PM

@NickCraver I was going to submit an update to disable the ruleset by default, but I don't really understand their process (hint: it involves mailing lists)

rekire

hi please vote for reopen: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/216357/171881

rene

@rekire Why?

rekire

because it's no dub

rene

I don't see how your proposal changes the reasons stated in the dup...

rekire

the orginal question was simply why. there where some reasons and that question contains some ideas for fixing that problems

Duncan

3:02 PM

If a sub-10k user follows a link to a deleted answer, what do they see? The question?

Nick Craver

@rekire It doesn't fix the biggest reason we shut it down: maintaining all the tax info and filings in every state we have a employee in.

Duncan

Regarding my last post, if no-one knows, can a sub-10k user on SO follow this link and report back? stackoverflow.com/a/21127886/474189

rekire

@NickCraver hm okay

Pëkka

I visited Stack Exchange's headquarters today. You guys won't believe the spectacular gift I received.

rekire

@Pëkka what did you get? :)

Duncan

3:05 PM

A paper bag containing something brown?

Tim Stone

A unicorn handbag?

rekire

hehe

Pëkka

@TimStone close. (It's uploading in the other window)

Slooooow Wifi

2

An honest to Goodness Fake Gucci Handbag.

rene

Cool!

Pëkka

Stuffed with SE swag.

Duncan

3:07 PM

It's not a "gift" when you steal it.

Pëkka

So super cool

@Duncan lol

Nick Craver

....notifying Amanda we found her purse

Duncan

haha

It only just occurred to me to open a "private" browsing window and answer my own question about deleted answer links. Finally! A use that isn't porn!

rekire

are there in general any stackexchange events in europa?

Tim Stone

@Pëkka Hahahahahah

Pëkka

3:11 PM

@TimStone There's a photo of me wearing that handbag in the SE offices, in front of the NYC skyline.

Tim Stone

Now that's a Kodak moment.

Pëkka

I'll post it when they send it to me.

Shadow Wizard

@rekire no, I don't think there will be any such events anymore

they give shirts away in special events like Winter Bash and they also sent shirts to the top rep users of Stack Overflow a while ago.

Pëkka

It worked pretty well.

They did do this meetup thing though, which was under the umbrella of Stack OVerflow but organized by local groups.

... and may happen again, I think.

Shadow Wizard

@Pëkka you mean DevDays, or something else?

Pëkka

3:20 PM

@ShadowWizard something else. Hold on

Blog - Stack Exchange: Highlights from Stack Overflow Worldwide Meetups

Laura Dobrzynski on May 03, 2012

Thank you to everyone who organized or attended a Stack Overflow meetup! Our Meetup Everywhere community has grown to over 4,400 people in almost 600 cities, and many of those people signed up for meetups in their areas this year. Many meetups were small, but we hope you all had a good time and that those smaller groups had an even better opportunity to get to know each other.

Our official hashtag is #SOmeetup, and we’ve seen a lot of great pictures and stories on Twitter, Flickr and YouTube so far. If you haven’t had a chance to upload yours yet, please do! Take a look at some of what people have shared so far: …

Shadow Wizard

Oh, that's cool

But there wasn't any during 2013, right?

Pëkka

I don't think so, no

But different from the DevDays, those events are not officially "dead".

Shadow Wizard

Suppose we will have group of users from several countries willing to arrange it again, how can such thing be triggered again?

Pëkka

@ShadowWizard good question! I guess you'd have to talk to the team

One of the Community Managers

Shadow Wizard

I'm only one though, guess they'll just tell me "first contact more users willing to organize this in their country", no?

Tim Stone

3:25 PM

Speaking of meetups, I'm hungry. We should plan food-consumption-time sometime in the nearish future @Pëkka, assuming you're free one day.

Pëkka

@ShadowWizard yeah, that sounds likely.

Tim Stone

@ShadowWizard Yeah, you'd probably have to get something semi-established first.

Pëkka

@TimStone absolutely! I was meaning to write to you about that.

Semester starts next week, but I have a cozy schedule going on. Nothing on Monday and Friday

(well, "nothing" in terms of no class...)

So I'd be totally available for lunch on those days, for example, or something later in the day.

Tim Stone

Cool, I'll try to figure out when I might be baby-free then, and we'll work something out.

Pëkka

@TimStone great!

Duncan

3:27 PM

Great. Now I'm hungry.

Tim Stone

Excellent, you feel my pain then.

Wow, and it's only 10:30. I was hoping it was closer to lunch time. |:

Duncan

I'm on a fasting day today (5:2 diet thing), so the hunger is quite serious stuff.

Tim Stone

Oh...Okay, you have it worse than I do. Sorry. :P

Duncan

Although my wife has just encourage me to bin the fasting day until tomorrow and head out for a burger. Which I'm so going to do. Shame it took me until 3.30pm to reach that decision.

Time to find some food!

Pëkka

@Duncan what has helped me when I did something similar was to get some 0-calorie, organic broth and occasionally drink a quarter gallon of it. It isn't quite the same as eating but it dampens the hunger. This stuff is spectacularly good, I use it all the time even here in the States

I'm unsure whether I got the conversion right... off to check on Google.

After all, I don't want a death by broth overdose on my hands

Duncan

3:32 PM

I might just stop posting here for a few weeks to freak youout.

Pëkka

@Duncan argh

Duncan

Actually, I find the fasting days generally ok.

Pëkka

OK, an eighth gallon is more like it.

I'm sure there is a more sensible way to express that quantity.