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9:00 PM
@LaszloPapp Why? It applies to everyone regardless.
 
@JoshC Robo-reviewers will not listen, they just review.
 
I am a "notorious rejecter" for too minor edits.
 
Not just suggested edits, but the other queues as well. Like if you keep hitting No Action Needed on posts that are just messes
 
@random: actually, it happens the other way around
I give downvotes, comments, and recommend deletion, and some 10k users complain they are good posts.
and they even upvote. :/
 
Any examples?
 
9:04 PM
in any case, I would not like to tip; hope a moderator can clarify.
 
This talk of audits doesn't really promote reviewing
 
@random: what about it? the author had a suggestion. If you think it is invalid, downvote it and leave a downvote reason, but I would not delete it.
 
psst.. edit
 
@3ventic I would accept your edit, but I'm out of reviews for today. :(
 
9:07 PM
The editing function seems to be underused in review queues..
 
@3ventic: what edit?
 
@3ventic I would also accept it.. but I think the answer just needs to be deleted.
 
It answers the question though
 
Compare it to the other answers.
 
It lacks some detail, sure.
 
9:09 PM
Saying, "sign out and try again" doesn't really help
 
It may answer the question. But if it could do with at least an edit, that's not "No Action Needed". It's "Skip" if you don't want to deal with it.
 
Joe
That's a comment, not an answer
and, after all, was identical to an actual comment on that question
from months ago
 
I am really not sure what edit you mean.
 
I probably skip way too many posts because I just didn't want to have to suggest an edit. But now I don't have to suggest them.
 
Joe
@LaszloPapp 3ventic made an edit to that post to clean it up a tiny bit
the post about skype whatnot
 
9:10 PM
I saw, but IMHO it does not have any additional value
 
Joe
Well, given I think that should be deleted, I agree ;)
 
iis -> IIS
 
Joe
but if it's to stay as an answer
it's better, at least
 
and things like that that do not change a bit.
 
Joe
better grammar and spelling and such
 
9:11 PM
It should be expanded
 
Joe
@3ventic That's why I'd rather just have that deleted
 
gosh, I would have even rejected that edit
 
Joe
it's not a complete answer
 
I really do not see how that improves the content more than "too minor".
 
Joe
@LaszloPapp Unless you're going to expand the question, why would you?
at least it improves the grammar
good spelling is actually a useful thing for a semi-professional site...
if you think the answer, as it stands, is generally an acceptable answer
 
9:12 PM
Then either downvote, suggest/vote to delete, or edit it. Don't say that Skype answer is good as-is
 
Joe
then you should accept that edit
if you do not, then you shouldn't have 'no action' in the first place on it
not one or the other...
 
^ This
 
I really do not agree.
 
Joe
'too minor' is intended to be for minor edits when some more important edit is needed
 
changing iis to IIS has no additional value in the edit.
 
9:13 PM
If there was an edit that was approved on it, it probably should have been edited.
 
it does not bring new content it
 
Joe
edits are not about new content
 
it does not fix a misunderstand of the existing content, etc.
 
Joe
necessarily
 
such edits go to rejection by default on my end.
 
9:13 PM
Edits aren't suppose to "bring in new content" that's a radical change
 
Joe
edits are about improving how a question/answer looks, largely
in particular for answer, they should not usually add new content
if you're rejecting every formatting edit, then perhaps that's why you are rejecting too many...
 
The question itself could do with an edit..
 
Joe
"suggested edits should be substantive improvements addressing multiple issues in the post."
 
@3ventic Linky? I'll do it.
 
Joe
that's when too minor is okay
 
9:14 PM
one week ban for not doing a rejectable edit looks a bit harsh
 
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Q: Can't start site in IIS (use by another process)

Sajjjjjjadwhen i want to start site in IIS says : the process can't access the file because it used by another process i search in Google and find it because of that another site use port 80 but in My IIS just this site use port 80

 
Joe
when it has multiple issues
well, I can't say about the ban; certainly not my area
 
I don't really care for SO rep
 
@LaszloPapp It's not just a single instance. It's a pattern. If it was one or two let slip by, they wouldn't ban you.
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Joe
9:15 PM
just saying, perhaps you are being too harsh rejecting things
 
@random: it is not even an instance
 
@3ventic What site are you active on?
 
the answer has a suggestion which you may disagree with, but it fixed for the author, and he shared it, period.
downvote it if you do not like his experience and suggestion.
 
for me, this is far from deletion.
 
9:16 PM
@LaszloPapp I often see you reviewing at the same time as me, and you are always voting "Leave Closed" on reopen items. I have yet to see a reopen vote on something that isn't an audit.
 
deletion is posts that do not address the question in any way possible
which I posted here a few times, and got even upvoted.
this one at least tried to share some experience that may or may not be worth taking a look at.
 
Joe
I'm not going to argue this any more, I've made my point; but perhaps you should consider that everyone here agrees except for you, and give that some value.
 
It doesn't look like I get my edit for the passed the reviewers for the second time in a row: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/3780446 I'm done with it...
 
and everyone I asked so far disagrees with you all
so what?
it is unfair to compare a homogeneous environment to someone who thinks differently.
how do you really know it did not help the OP's case?
 
Deletion or downvoting is not the only options you have. You can also leave a comment or edit. If you want to do none of those, but the post still needs work/attention, hit Skip and let someone else see it.
 
9:19 PM
but I do not think it needs attention
it is a possible solution for the problem, so why would I comment?
why would I fix some spelling which does not in any sense make the post clearer?
 
The answer that they posted was already (pretty much) addressed in another answer.
 
or extended with inline content instead of external etc
 
And anything that makes the post easier to read is better.
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@hichris123: that is nonsense
there is a lot of overlap on SO, and that does not mean they are equal.
You can write 5 pages of text containing the gist, and you can write a single line highlighting the main point.
 
@LaszloPapp I'm actual surprised you didn't downvote it given the ratio and amount of downvotes you have cast within the last 5 months
 
9:21 PM
I will prefer the short which only deals with the point.
since it is more concise, and it is more to the point.
Actually, I do not find any rule that clearly states you should fix "the" to "The" etc.
 
Not a matter of if an edit is going to make the answer suddenly address the question, but if an edit is warranted at making it read better at all. If you don't want to do anything, but the post still looks like, "Sign out your skype and try again...i have experienced the same issue, i just logged out from skype and then reset my iis, it worked for me" just hit Skip
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NO
I think it is fine, so why would I skip it, really?
 
And if you don't want to improve the quality of posts, simply don't review.
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Unrelated I know, but do audits count toward the review limit?
 
if I thought it is not OK, and I did not have time to fix, I would skip it.... or I would not have the competence to judge, etc.
but here, it was pretty clear he had a reasonable idea, it was short, and to the point.
 
9:25 PM
@hichris123 Yes
 
whether it is "your skype" or "of skype", meh, who cares
 
@LaszloPapp Could you clearly and easily understand the answer without that edit? I say no.
 
What are we talking about?
 
Joe
Hats
 
Yay!
 
9:26 PM
Yes, of course. I fully understood the answer.
 
Joe
blue hats
green hats
do you like my hat?
 
Yes!
 
Joe
I do not like that hat.
Good bye.
 
What's the ETA for winterbash 2014, BTW?
 
@JanDvorak About eleven months.
 
Joe
9:27 PM
anyone else have a 2 year old at home? ;)
 
way too long :-(
 
There is a chance that it will be in 2014...
 
Joe
If we had winterbash hats all year long, it would have to be dreary and snowy all year long
if you want that, move to alaska
 
Or northern Finland
 
Next Winterbash will be 21 December 2014. Or around then
 
Joe
9:28 PM
the rest of us would like to see the sun periodically :)
 
What about introducing summerbash 2014?
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Joe
For Summerbash we'd have to have sandals instead of hats.
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@Undo You know how much I like editing? I got strunk and white today.
 
Sandalbash
 
@hichris123 Lol, good going.
Now go for copy editor by tomorrow :P
 
Joe
9:29 PM
@hichris123 somehow I'm not sure Stunk & White will be of much help editing Stack Overflow, but good luck ;)
 
Yay starfest!
 
@Joe :P
 
Hiya @Brad!
 
random hichris, in fact, answers like this one should get a lot more consideration:
 
@Undo I just got Electorate. Copy Editor may be a while more...
 
9:31 PM
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A: Keyboard letters of a to z are not working in keyPressEvent in Qt

Maxim MakhunTry this: void SimpleWidget::keyPressEvent(QKeyEvent *event) { if (event->key() == Qt::Key_R) { // Key R was pressed } } Or you can simply check key value using QString QKeyEvent::text () const method.

it got two upvotes
and 3 upvotes on comments.
the OP asked:
 
and 2 downvotes...
 
X works, but Y not, why?
guy: Try Y.
like what?! :)
 
Weird.
People sometimes upvote things just because it looks like it could work without looking at the question.
 
yup
and sometimes they vote without even knowing the technology that's being asked about
 
@hichris123 too bad my elaborate answers normally don't get the same love
 
9:33 PM
@LaszloPapp OK, I was the one who banned you from review. I did so because your name came up as a reviewer who approved not one, but two instances of spam: stackoverflow.com/review/late-answers/3762662 , stackoverflow.com/review/late-answers/3762549 . When I looked into your review history, I saw that you were averaging 5 seconds per review, and were hitting pretty much everything with "No Action Needed".
 
(to be fair, I probably average maybe ten seconds/review)
 
I read that as 5 reviews/second. :P
 
@hichris123 me too
 
@hichris123 now that would be suspicious
 
I think rate-limiting prevents that though
 
9:35 PM
@Brad: I am afraid you are wrong.
 
I've been policing the Late Answers and First Posts queues lately to make sure that spam doesn't slip through, and manually banning many reviewers who allow it to pass. I've found many instances of spam making it through review, and that's actively harmful to the site.
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is that rate-limiting server-side, or client-side?
 
In fact, I argued a lot with 10K users for really crappy posts to be deleted.
 
@JanDvorak Server-side
 
if you check my track record, there are at least 5-10 downvotes and recommend for deletion almost every single day. You may be confusing me with someone else, or you have not checked these bits.
 
9:36 PM
We are talking about spam though
 
@LaszloPapp In what way? You did click "No Action Needed" on two instances of spam and two clear non-answers, as indicated above.
 
I skip a lot of link-mostly answers
 
@BradLarson: you are not fair.
@BradLarson: you do not provide exact context to discuss.
@BradLarson: not much I can do for explaining myself for those cases.
providing links where we cannot see the answers does not weight much IMHO.
since there is nothing to be discussed in there.
 
@LaszloPapp I can see them clearly as a day
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Joe
9:40 PM
Can we go back to discussing Sandalbash 2014 now?
 
The last one looks bad, indeed, I admit that. I wonder if that was really me because I am usually on the front with NAA.
last one as in the third.
 
Lets spam post through
------------------------------
Claims a hacked account as his defense
 
You really can't justify the approval of spam.
 
I approved a bogus edit once. Because my cat stepped on my trackpad. Honest!
 
@BradLarson: well, I made 1-2 accidental mistakes which I also asked here how to go back.
 
9:45 PM
@Undo did you then press undo and fix your mistake?
 
@BradLarson: the last two are definitely bad, regardless how they are made.
 
@LaszloPapp I'll lift the ban if you promise to take a little more time and be more careful with these reviews. My first job is to make sure things don't harm the site, which is why I've been checking the review history of spam that didn't get caught by the community (of which there is a surprising amount). I'm not here to punish, just to make sure potentially harmful behavior doesn't continue.
 
@BradLarson: as for the first two, you are not linking the questions.
nah, that is fine, do not lift the ban.
 
@LaszloPapp The questions were: stackoverflow.com/questions/3986980/… and stackoverflow.com/questions/4803467/… , which the spammer brought our attention to. The old tool recommendation questions are pretty common spam honeypots.
 
I do not see the big problem with it.
IMO, the question is the bad, not the answers.
the people answering that are just trying to help... the question should not have been asked in the first place
 
9:49 PM
did you vote to close, then?
 
@JanDvorak: no, I usually use all my close votes for C++/Qt questions lately.
 
So if they answered with "handbags made out of fine quality Levi Rolex", would that be a non-problem answer because the question itself was bad?
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that is not a productive question IMHO, so I will skip answering it.
 
So if that answer appeared in the queue, what would you do?
 
All 4 of those answers should never have been approved ever never ever
 
9:51 PM
@random what about the case where on-topicness of a link-only answer is hard to judge?
 
@JanDvorak That's different to the blatant spam allowed through
 
The difference between spam and link-only answers is sometimes very hard to tell..
 
so, let me summarize my opinion: I agree that the last two of those four are bad, and should have been marked for deletion like my other 5-10 (or more) per daily usually. However, I decline all the claim about "accepting everything", so does my track record, and I feel it an unfair claim.
 
the answer seems to be ontopic for the first bad question IMO
 
yeah, I forgot one of them had a solution at the end
 
9:56 PM
but then again, I also made a few accidental pushbutton mistakes, which I explicitly asked here how to go back and fix.
downvoted stuff and deletion for the last three days 9/9/8
 
@LaszloPapp Perhaps I'm paranoid, but if a new user posts an answer glowingly recommending a commercial product, with a link in it, I tend to look at what else they've posted. That would have shown the 11 other identical answers left by them, all promoting the same product, all left within minutes of one another. If you have any doubt about this, flag us and we'll take a look at it.
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as for the initially "too minor" edit answer. I fully disagree with that one, and I would have rejected the edit, personally, since it just bumps the thread with not much additional value if any.
 
Joe
A reasonable rule, also, is that since tool-recommendation questions are no longer allowed, a tool-recommendation answer that is only a link to a product should, at minimum, be commented on to let that user know it's not really an appropriate answer anymore.
 
I guess we will need to disagree.....
 
We're getting really close to the part where Laszlo says he doesn't want to talk about this anymore.
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9:59 PM
If an OP asks a bad question, in certain tags, I will be the first to mark it for closure and downvote.
but I definitely will not flag the answer coming, although I may downvote it.
not even the "try Y" answer from above.
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A: Keyboard letters of a to z are not working in keyPressEvent in Qt

Maxim MakhunTry this: void SimpleWidget::keyPressEvent(QKeyEvent *event) { if (event->key() == Qt::Key_R) { // Key R was pressed } } Or you can simply check key value using QString QKeyEvent::text () const method.

or what about these spammer reviewers?
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Q: How to set up MSVC 2013 in QtCreator

MaggieI cannot congigure Qt-creator. I've downloaded Qt 5.2.0 for Windows 64-bit (VS 2012, OpenGL) and I have MSVS Ultimate 2013 which i use for C++ and Windiws 8.1x64. When i'm starting compile Qt example project appears that Qt Creator needs a compiler set up to build. Connfigure a compiler in ...

they closed a valid Qt question without any serious Qt tag track record, or name in the community. Clearly, they have not put much effort into understanding the question.
@BradLarson: cannot say I agree with most of them, nor that I will act differently in most of the cases like the minor edited answer case, in the future, but thanks for providing some data anyhow. I appreciate you were sincere and came here to discuss it.
wow, there are people here to even further upvote the aforementioned answer. Funny. :) Is it some childish revenge for the disagreements? :)
(I think that explains the not-so-mature homogenity for me :) )
 
10:30 PM
@LaszloPapp I went ahead and lifted the ban. I think you understand where my concerns were, and this was not intended as a punishment, just an indication to slow down a bit. Again, if you see something odd about answers left by a particular user, don't hesitate to use an "other" flag and explain what you see. I find those very helpful, even if the activity is indeed innocent.
I have to go ship some robots now, so I'm out.
 
11:06 PM
Just curious, what's the rational behind not letting normal users look up reviews by post?
 
@Undo fingering...
 
@Undo That reminds me: we never got the question answered yet.
 
lol
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Q: Please do something about the high-reputation trolls on Stack Overflow

BrooksSo as far as I can discern, the way you get a huge reputation on Stack Overflow is to post as many not-constructive, snide comments as possible. I literally just had a person in the top 7% of reputation post "with that typo I'm surprised anything worked" WITHOUT editing the post or saying what ...

Good idea motive, horrific implementation.
 
@Undo Yep. I don't know what a good implementation would be, though.
 
@Undo I wonder when you become an high-reputation troll. It is not mentioned here
 
11:19 PM
@rene I think 68,547
 
Ok, I'm save then
 
So Jon Skeet is a high-rep troll?
 
@hichris123 Yes
Obviously.
He trolls the other answerers by beating them to all the questions :P
 
Point taken.
:P
 
@hichris123 he would no longer be under the Brooks' system
 
11:24 PM
@JanDvorak Wait, his plan was good enough to get his name attached to it? :P
 
Can we look up if Jon Skeet every answered with Google is your friend
 
Nope. His plan was unique enough
If we only got to name good things, there's one ger... nvm. Godwin's law.
 
@rene -> data.stackexchange.com
 
11:28 PM
@rene 600 something if you count it as just a phrase: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/revision/159193/201993
 
Now we can calculate how much punishment that will give to 600 users
 
You want only the users?
 
The question was closed anyways. Why worry?
 
11:49 PM
What we need is a better way for moderators to identify problem users. Unless we remember every username for a comment we delete, we won't know if there's a pattern of a certain user repeatedly leaving crappy, unconstructive comments. Taking away all their reputation for one offense is not anywhere near a good solution. Talking to them and telling them to stop is. — animuson 39 mins ago
There should be an automated flag that gets sent to moderators when a user has a lot of their comments deleted (by flags / mods). Probably within some kind of time threshold.
And that flag should include a summary, or list, of the deleted comments that caused the flag.
So they can see, at a glance, whether a user needs a talking-to.
(to have the purpose of comments explained to them, or the "be nice" rule explained to them, or something)
 
I would agree with that.
 

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